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Scientists hunt for evidence of Noah's flood in Black Sea -
WorldNetDaily ^ | July 16, 2003

Posted on 07/17/2003 5:42:16 PM PDT by UnklGene

Posted 7/16/2003 2:45 PM

Scientists hunt for evidence of Noah's flood in Black Sea NARRAGANSETT, R.I. (AP) — In 1994, archaeologist Fredrik Hiebert rode around northern Turkey in a dirty white Toyota van looking for evidence of ancient civilizations around the Black Sea. Every time he and his team would ask locals for the whereabouts of centuries-old ruins, they'd get the same response. "Everyone kept pointing us to the sea," Hiebert recalled.

Hiebert knows now why they did. After some preliminary trips, the University of Pennsylvania professor and other scientists will go on a first-ever effort to excavate ancient ships and a possible human settlement left mummified in the Black Sea's oxygen-free waters.

Scientists hope what they retrieve will help them understand vastly unknown chapters in human history, covering perhaps the Bronze Age, the Roman and Byzantine empires, and when Christianity first made inroads into Russia.

Another goal of the $5 million, two-week expedition beginning July 27 is to find evidence of a great flood about 7,500 years ago that inundated the Black Sea, turning the freshwater lake into a saltwater ocean. Some scholars have said the engulfing could be the Biblical flood of Noah. Others say the theory lacks any scientific premise and complain it could overshadow the more noteworthy experiments that will take place.

The expedition will be watched live by academics and experts worldwide, who may be called upon by those on the ship to comment on any discoveries. Schoolchildren also will able to tune in, at Robert Ballard's Institute for Exploration in Mystic, Conn., and other places.

The so-called "telepresence" is the brainchild of Ballard, the underwater explorer who discovered the Titanic. He has established the Black Sea's command center at the University of Rhode Island. There, engineers will take satellite feeds from the ship, and broadcast them on a separate Internet channel, he said.

"Exploration by its very nature means you don't know what you're going to find," the 61-year-old Ballard said. "So, in fact it's very probable you're not going to have the right mix of specialists when you make a discovery."

Ballard chose Rhode Island as the mission's nerve center because he'll chair a first-ever graduate program in oceanography and archaeology beginning in fall 2004. Ballard got his doctorate in marine geology and geophysics from the school in 1974.

"We think the Black Sea is one of the greatest deep sea museums of the world, and this is our first chance to get a look at it," Ballard said Wednesday at a news conference in Mystic.

The team will be working off the coast of Sinop, the scientists said. Scholars have determined it was a major trade hub for centuries. Scientists believe the locals transported olive oil, honey and iron in carrot-shaped shipping jars called amphorae north to Crimea in exchange for wine and other goods.

Hiebert and other archaeologists had thought the traders hugged the coast on their routes. But Ballard suggested explorers look for north-south trade lanes in the middle of the Black Sea, which would have been a direct, shorter route for the merchants. He knew the deepest waters had no oxygen, meaning any finds would be in immaculate condition.

Searchers have found four shipwreck sites in previous expeditions. One of them, dubbed "Shipwreck D" is so well-preserved in the Black Sea's anoxic waters that its hand-carved mast protruding above the seabed looks as good as new.

On this trip, archaeologists hope to get a better look at ancient shipbuilding, and if they're lucky, some cargo. The ship could contain burlap bags with grapes, a trader's lunch of lentils, or goods such as silk from Asia, said Cheryl Ward, a nautical archaeologist at Florida State University.

"It's the wood and what's inside that is a secret," said Ward, who's leading Shipwreck D's study.

At another location about 100 meters underwater, the explorers think they may have found a settlement that could be more than 7,500 years old. Scientists theorize the rectangular-shaped site was a hunter or fisherman's house on a bluff overlooking the water before the Black Sea flooded, wiping out the homestead.

Ballard and his team of engineers have built a 7-foot-tall robot named Hercules that will gingerly dig around the ruin and gather artifacts, much like an archaeologist would on land.

"If we're successful with this, we're going to change the field of archaeology," said Hiebert, the 42-year-old who's leading the settlement project. "It'll open coastlines all over the globe (to excavation)."

Scientists also are interested in the ruin, because it could finally clinch the Noah flood theory that has gained the most attention for the trip — and the most criticism.

There's no dispute that the Black Sea was flooded when rising world sea levels caused the Mediterranean to fill the Black Sea. Prior expeditions show the flood was so monstrous it raised water levels by 155 meters, and submerged up to 100,000 square kilometers (60,000 square miles) of land.

The questions are when did it happen, and how rapidly? Until recently, scholars believed the drowning occurred about 9,000 years ago and was gradual. But Columbia University marine geologists Walter Pitman and William Ryan wrote in 1997 that the flood was sudden and took place about 7,150 years ago. The scientists' conclusions reinvigorated the Noah flood debate, which the Bible chronicles as a calamitous event spanning 40 days and 40 nights.

Scholars are wary of the revised theory, saying it's virtually impossible to prove an event from an ancient text. Also, some scholars note that the Bible's version has Noah living in a desert in Mesopotamia, while the pre-flood coastline of Turkey was a lush, forested area.

"It bugs me a little bit," Hiebert said, "because I like the Noah story as much as anybody. I think we shouldn't try and peg what we're doing to either prove or disprove it. We're never going to get there."

Nevertheless, even skeptics such as Hiebert acknowledge the debate has given the expedition more attention than it would have gotten otherwise.

"I wish all my classes had a million and a half people in it," he joked.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Rhode Island
KEYWORDS: aliaksu; ancienthistory; blacksea; blackseaflood; catastrophism; danuberiver; godsgravesglyphs; grandcanyon; greatflood; liviugiosan; noah; noahsark; noahsflood; petkodimitrov; richardhiscott; robertballard

1 posted on 07/17/2003 5:42:16 PM PDT by UnklGene
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To: UnklGene
Another goal of the $5 million, two-week expedition beginning July 27 is to find evidence of a great flood about 7,500 years ago that inundated the Black Sea, turning the freshwater lake into a saltwater ocean. Some scholars have said the engulfing could be the Biblical flood of Noah. Others say the theory lacks any scientific premise and complain it could overshadow the more noteworthy experiments that will take place.

It does not lack scientific premise. There is plenty of evidence that it was caused by a breakthrough from the Med as that body of water became so swollen from the melt from the last ice age.

2 posted on 07/17/2003 5:46:16 PM PDT by dark_lord (The Statue of Liberty now holds a baseball bat and she's yelling 'You want a piece of me?')
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3 posted on 07/17/2003 5:47:03 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: UnklGene
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4 posted on 07/17/2003 5:49:13 PM PDT by ThJ1800
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To: UnklGene
Much more likely to be the source of the story of the Garden of Eden. The Black Sea Basin seems a likely place for the beginnings of agriculture and civilization. The Crimea, the Danube delta and Turkey have all been posited in the past. Why not right in the middle if it was available at the time. It was right at the time of the Black Seas filling that agriculture suddenly began to spread in all directions, as did the Indo European peoples.

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5 posted on 07/17/2003 6:04:15 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
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To: UnklGene
The Hindu Ma-Nu (their name for "Noah") story places the event somewhere other than in the middle of a desert.
6 posted on 07/17/2003 6:21:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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Already posted here with 50 replies.
7 posted on 07/17/2003 6:32:38 PM PDT by blam
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"Also, some scholars note that the Bible's version has Noah living in a desert in Mesopotamia, while the pre-flood coastline of Turkey was a lush, forested area."

If I were "some scholars", I would question whether the timber and pitch to build the Ark came from a desert in Mesopotamia or "a lush, forested area."

8 posted on 07/17/2003 8:07:47 PM PDT by azhenfud
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Note: this topic is from 7/17/2003. Thanks UnklGene.



9 posted on 06/09/2013 5:43:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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Note: this topic is from 7/17/2003.

Blast from the Past.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

Thanks UnklGene.

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10 posted on 06/09/2013 5:44:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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