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Talabani Kurdish Tribesmen Spotted Qusay and Uday En Route to Syria (Gunfight Details) [DEBKA]
DEBKAFile Anti Terrorism Security Newsletter ^ | July 23. 2003 2:00AM GMT | Gioria Shamis Retired Economist Magazine Reporter

Posted on 07/22/2003 5:15:02 PM PDT by ewing

The twin brothers of terror were turned in by an Iraqi Used Car Salesman-lol!


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: andelviswaswiththem; debka; gunfight; hussein; iraq; playbyplay; qusay; syria; uday

1 posted on 07/22/2003 5:15:02 PM PDT by ewing
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To: ewing
why don't you post the whole article? What, Debka is going to sue?
2 posted on 07/22/2003 5:18:14 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
I cant get it to come up from the site..
3 posted on 07/22/2003 5:19:14 PM PDT by ewing
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To: Shermy
Col.Hunt just said on Fox that the tipster was a Shiite cleric. He also said we found in that house $50 million, satellite radios, computers, and a list of al the guerilla leaders in Iraq.
4 posted on 07/22/2003 5:19:51 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: ewing
I cant get it to come up from the site..

Please keep your personal problems to yourself.

5 posted on 07/22/2003 5:21:11 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: ewing
Has DEBKA ever been right? We'll see soon. Somebody will come calling for the two $15 mil. rewards. I heard on Fox Radio mention the reward issue is being addressed.
6 posted on 07/22/2003 5:21:39 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: ewing

Talabani’s Kurdish Tribesmen Spotted Qusay, His Son Mustafa and Uday Hussein en Route to or from Syria

DEBKAfile World Exclusive

July 23, 2003, 1:16 AM (GMT+02:00)

Their death leaves Saddam without successor

Late Sunday night, July 20 - or early Monday morning - Qusay Hussein, his 14-year old son Mustafa and his brother Uday arrived at the spacious villa estate of their father’s cousin three times removed in the northeastern al Falah district of Mosul.

Qusay habitually took his teenage son everywhere to keep him safe for the succession, in case something happened to Saddam or himself. They were on their way to or from Syria. That cousin, Marwan Zeidan of the Abu Nasser tribe, is one of Mosul’s richest and most colorful figures. He owns the biggest clay brick factory in town and the largest used car agency in the region. Unlike other Iraqi towns, where the different communities live in separate neighborhoods, Mosul is mixed; Sunnis, Arabs, Kurds and Turkemen live cheek by jowl on the same streets as neighbors.

This population admixture was the cause of the downfall of Udai and Qusai Hussein.

The Al Falah district is shared by Sunnis and Kurds. Zeidan’s villa is surrounded by Kurdish families loyal to Jalal Talabani, head of the Kurdish Patriotic Union, the PUK, and a member of the new 25-man Iraqi governing council.

These neighbors were the first to catch sight of Saddam’s sons when they arrived at the villa.

According to DEBKAfile’s intelligence sources, a group went running to their leader’s nearest military headquarters to bring him the news in person. Talabani, who also happens to rent one of the Saddam family’s villas in Salman Pak, went straight off to US administration offices in Baghdad, where deputy defense secretary Paul Wolfovitz is presently based for his week’s stay in Iraq. The Kurdish leader and US military chiefs conferred and decided that PUK intelligence would go ahead and secretly surround the Zeidan villa and bar it to both ingress and egress, also installing sensors and eavesdropping devices. The Kurdish agents were instructed to prepare the site for the US special forces to come in by helicopter and seize the building and Saddam’s two sons.

DEBKAfile’s military sources report that in retrospect these careful advance arrangements were seen to be superfluous. The two brothers and the teenager were inside the villa with only a single bodyguard. The circle of people whom they trusted had apparently shrunk to almost nil. Saddam may be in the same boat. They ventured into a district which far from being out of the way is lively and crowded. This signified that they had experienced some unexpected holdup and been forced to break their journey to or from the Syrian border only 35 miles away at the home of their father’s cousin.

According to our sources, their visit was unexpected. Zeidan, his wife and 19-year old son were arrested after the US raid on their home. The American-Kurdish command decided to occupy the houses around the target villa before the main assault. A US special force of some 200 commandos landed early Tuesday, July 22, and opened fire on the villa. The three Husseins and their bodyguard went down shooting, overwhelmed by US ground fire and helicopter-fired missiles. The US commander waited two or three hours before giving the order to storm the property in case more people were hiding in cellars or outhouses or trying to escape through hidden exits. Pilot-less Predator drones were lofted to survey the property from all sides. However when the troops went in, they found no one but the charred, bullet-riddled bodies of Saddam’s two sons, his grandson and their bodyguard.

Talabani’s Kurdish followers will no doubt claim the $30 million bounty promised by the US government for the capture of the two sons of the deposed ruler.

Saddam himself still eludes capture along with his cached weapons of mass destruction. According to DEBKAfile’s intelligence sources, President George W. Bush and British prime minister Tony Blair are in the process of assembling a mass of material evidence of this arsenal to be released soon.

7 posted on 07/22/2003 5:22:32 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: the Real fifi
Isn't the bounty $15 mill per for the sons. Oh, well still making a profit.
8 posted on 07/22/2003 5:22:41 PM PDT by breakem
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To: the Real fifi
Could be, I guess the US Forces arrested Saddams cousin who was giving them shelter.
9 posted on 07/22/2003 5:23:13 PM PDT by ewing
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To: the Real fifi
To add to that. They cased the house for 12 hours, using listening devices and fiber optic cameras.

The gun battle to kill the people in the house lasted 5 minutes, most of the fighting was people on the street who came to oppose our forces. We should have mowed down a few dozen of them for good measure if you ask me.

But here is the thing, duing the monitoring period, did they mention anything about their father? There has to be some definitive reason why the sons were not with the father.
10 posted on 07/22/2003 5:23:17 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: TomGuy
Looks like the WMD finds are coming soon as well..
11 posted on 07/22/2003 5:25:11 PM PDT by ewing
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To: ewing
Put their heads on pikes and take them on a city by city tour of Iraq.
12 posted on 07/22/2003 5:26:34 PM PDT by ReaganCowboy (Number you can call...)
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To: ewing
Only a paper trail, the actual stuff is in the Bekaa Valley.
13 posted on 07/22/2003 5:26:40 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: bigfootbob
Has DEBKA ever been right?

Either it's a fantasy, or Little Satan's intel is in tight with the Kurds.

Sounds pretty legit to me. Though Debka runs from some prescient and accurate inside information to fantasies about Russian ICBM's in the Afghan Hindu-Kush. A mixed bag - to say the least.

14 posted on 07/22/2003 5:26:46 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: the Real fifi
He also said we found in that house $50 million, satellite radios, computers, and a list of al the guerilla leaders in Iraq.

Hope it's true, but I doubt the part about the list.

15 posted on 07/22/2003 5:32:20 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (RATS: We're sorry Saddam.)
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To: ewing
Debka is so full of s---.
16 posted on 07/22/2003 5:32:47 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Shermy
Sounds pretty legit to me. Though Debka runs from some prescient and accurate inside information to fantasies about Russian ICBM's in the Afghan Hindu-Kush. A mixed bag - to say the least.

Debka makes up stuff that is crazy, and it makes up stuff that is plausible. That is the "mixed bag."

17 posted on 07/22/2003 5:33:35 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: xm177e2
The "journey to the Syrian border" stuff sounds unreal. I suspect the boys got the message weeks ago that the Syrians wouldn't let them in.
18 posted on 07/22/2003 5:36:34 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Mike Darancette
We'll know in a few weeks, let's see if our "roundup" activity increases.
19 posted on 07/22/2003 5:36:37 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Mike Darancette
Why do you doubt it? It would make sense for them to be in contact with people who were on their side and could give them shelter etc.
20 posted on 07/22/2003 5:37:59 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: xm177e2
Debka is the Magic 8-Ball of news.
21 posted on 07/22/2003 5:38:03 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: the Real fifi
One half of the $50 million can go to the now rich Used Car Salesman/cleric/whoever. The other half can be the first half to the Saddam informant. Allah be praised.....and a few bucks won't hurt either. How many virgins can $25 million buy?
22 posted on 07/22/2003 5:44:10 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: johniegrad
ROTFLMAO
23 posted on 07/22/2003 5:44:17 PM PDT by y2k_free_radical (i)
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To: AppyPappy
"Debka is the Magic 8-Ball of news."

The NYTimes is America's DEBKA.
24 posted on 07/22/2003 5:46:58 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (If everything you experienced, believed, lived was a lie, would you want to know the truth?)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Debka is wrong so often that one doubts it until someone else verifies.
25 posted on 07/22/2003 5:48:16 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Only1choice____Freedom
At least DEBKA is entertaining.
27 posted on 07/22/2003 5:52:33 PM PDT by lavrenti
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To: TomGuy
It's poetic justice that the Kurds should receive the 30 million.
28 posted on 07/22/2003 5:53:02 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: caisson71
How many virgins can $25 million buy?

I dunno, but you can sure rent an awful lot of them for that kind of money.

29 posted on 07/22/2003 6:05:01 PM PDT by niteowl77 (When self-congratulatory schadenfreude becomes aiding and abetting the enemy, it's time to shut up.)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Why do you doubt it? It would make sense for them to be in contact with people who were on their side and could give them shelter etc.

If we had a list like that I would think that we would keep it a secret so we could quietly round those guys up. By announcing the existence of such a list the results will be the same whether or not we actually have it the bad guys will try to bolt. Of course that may be the main idea of the information release.

30 posted on 07/22/2003 6:24:09 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (RATS: We're sorry Saddam.)
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To: Mike Darancette
I can see an argument for either way.
31 posted on 07/22/2003 6:25:02 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: ReaganCowboy
Put their heads on pikes and take them on a city by city tour of Iraq.


Correct, the Iraqi people need to see proof!!! Come on Military show them what you have done. They will finally be happy, but sitll worried about Dad. We need to bag Dad!
32 posted on 07/22/2003 6:29:04 PM PDT by Ethyl
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To: oceanview
Only a paper trail, the actual stuff is in the Bekaa Valley

Isn't that in Syria?????
33 posted on 07/22/2003 6:30:33 PM PDT by Ethyl
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To: the Real fifi
He also said we found in that house $50 million, satellite radios, computers, and a list of al the guerilla leaders in Iraq.

Offer Priceline $200 for a round trip to Baghdad. I've always fancied a bit of bounty-hunting.

34 posted on 07/22/2003 6:47:39 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Mike Darancette
No harm in saying that, is there? It's being broadcast on the radios we gave out to AIraqis and on the tv channels they are now watching with their new tv satellites..
35 posted on 07/22/2003 7:47:17 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: oceanview
They separated, to give them a chance to get through. Mosul is on the way to Syria, by way of Turkey. The Syria border is closed pretty tight on the Iraq side, but if you nip through Turkey, and then into Syria, you have a chance. That chance was what they were taking. They needed a small party so they could go in only a single car. Uday was crippled, and pretty worthless besides.
36 posted on 07/22/2003 10:30:12 PM PDT by donmeaker (I would rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.)
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