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[Why the U.S. is] Discarding War's Rules
Front Page Mag ^ | 07.22.03 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 07/22/2003 7:30:04 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State

[Why the U.S. is] Discarding War's Rules
by Daniel Pipes
New York Post
July 22, 2003

"Since the events of 9/11," observes Lee Harris, America's reigning philosopher of 9/11, "the policy debate in the United States has been primarily focused on a set of problems - radical Islam and the War on Terrorism, the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians and weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein in Iraq."

We sense that these three problems are related, Harris notes in an article at TechCentralStation.com, but we can't quite figure out how. He proposes a subtle link between these seemingly disparate issues - and it's not specifically their common Muslim identity. Rather, it has to do with their unearned power.

"All previous threats in the history of mankind have had one element in common. They were posed by historical groups that had created the weapons, both physical and cultural, that they used to threaten their enemies." States achieved power through their own labor and sacrifice, developing their own economies, training their own troops and building their own arsenals.

The same cannot be said of the threats emanating from the Muslim world. Al Qaeda destroys airplanes and buildings that it itself could not possibly build. The Palestinian Authority has failed in every field of endeavor except killing Israelis. Saddam Hussein's Iraq grew dangerous thanks to money showered on it by the West to purchase petroleum Iraqis themselves had neither located nor extracted.

How, despite their general incompetence, has this trio managed to guide the course of events as if they were powers in the traditional sense?

The cause of this anomaly, Harris replies, is that the West plays by a strict set of rules while permitting al Qaeda, the Palestinians and Saddam Hussein to play without rules. We restrain ourselves according to the standards of civilized conduct as refined over the centuries; they engage in maximal ruthlessness.

Had the United States retaliated in kind for 9/11, Harris tells me, the Islamic holy places would have been destroyed. Had Israelis followed the Arafat model of murderousness, the West Bank and Gaza would now be devoid of Palestinians. Had the West done toward Iraq as Iraq did toward Kuwait, the Iraqi polity would long ago have been annexed and its oil resources confiscated.

While morally commendable, Harris argues, the West's not responding to Muslim ruthlessness with like ruthlessness carries a high and rising price. It allows Muslim political extremists of various stripes to fantasize that they earned their power, when in fact that power derives entirely from the West's arch-civilized restraint.

This confusion prompts Muslim extremists to indulge in the error that their successes betoken a superior virtue, or even God's support. Conversely, they perceive the West's restraint as a sign of its decadence. Such fantasies, Harris contends, feed on themselves, leading to ever-more demented and dangerous behavior. Westerners worry about the security of electricity grids, computer bugs and water reservoirs; can a nuclear attack on a Western metropolis be that remote? Western restraint, in other words, insulates its enemies from the deserved consequences of their actions, and so unintentionally encourages their bad behavior.

For the West to reverse this process requires much rougher means than it prefers to use. Harris, author of a big-think book on this general subject coming out from the Free Press in early 2004, contends that Old Europe and most analysts have failed to fathom the imperative for a change. The Bush administration, however, has figured it out and in several ways has begun implementing an unapologetic and momentous break with past restraints:

In brief, until those Harris calls "Islamic fantasists" play by the rules, Washington must be prepared to act like them, without rules.

This appeal for America to act less civilized will offend some; but it does offer a convincing explanation for the inner logic of America's tough new foreign policy.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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1 posted on 07/22/2003 7:30:04 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
The korean war was stalemated by stuff they couldn't possibly build too.

So was Vietnam..

It's common that wars are fought by proxy. Afghanistan/USSR was too.
2 posted on 07/22/2003 7:31:19 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: Enemy Of The State
This is not acting without rules- it is acting to a precise rule:
"is permitted to use force against other agents, who are not permitted to use force."
It may not be an equitable or egalitarian rule, but it is a rule. A pretty good one too, although the rule taken to a more moral level (without sacrificing to egalitarianism) would be
"is permitted to use force against other agents, who are not permitted to use force-until such a time as they demonstrate that they have acheived an appropriate level of civilization."
After all, the Brits can use force too.
3 posted on 07/22/2003 7:38:23 PM PDT by William McKinley (Go Postal!)
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To: Enemy Of The State
This appeal for America to act less civilized will offend some; but it does offer a convincing explanation for the inner logic of America's tough new foreign policy.

If we waged war without rules, things can get quite ugly - not only for our enemies, but also for our own troops. Apart from being too civilized, the reason we don't get down and dirty is that our tolerance for casualties is very low. The victories in Iraq and Afghanistan have relied heavily on the fact that the populations of those countries for the most part welcome us as liberators. The reason we won't extend the war to other parts of the Islamic world is that their populations won't be quite as friendly, and even if we kill millions of them with our superior firepower, we'll be faced with guerilla combat orders of magnitude greater than what's taking place in Iraq.

4 posted on 07/22/2003 7:39:58 PM PDT by Filibuster_60
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To: Filibuster_60
Wrong, newbie. I don't care if they like us, and are friendly. I just require that they fear us, and like the children they are, behave.

/john

5 posted on 07/22/2003 7:44:27 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (I'm just a cook.)
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To: Enemy Of The State
Long past time to terrorize the terrorist...
Stop negotiating with these lunatic Islamists...

Kill them..at every opportunity...
Once they have been defeated --- then dictate peace terms..


Remember....
THEY are the bastards that declared this war and attacked MANY TIMES before the West responded...


Semper Fi
6 posted on 07/22/2003 7:45:49 PM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: Enemy Of The State
The cause of this anomaly, Harris replies, is that the West plays by a strict set of rules while permitting al Qaeda, the Palestinians and Saddam Hussein to play without rules.

I believe Mr. Harris correct in this. But those rules are, after all, self-imposed, and hence self-revocable. And so it has proven.

Of course the radical Moslems were misled by this sort of rule structure - who can blame them? What they saw, and what I find most curious about this, is that other Western powers such as France and Germany felt so terribly threatened when the U.S. decided to behave in contravention to rules that were clearly working against its interests. I don't think it's entirely paranoia to conclude that were not only happy with such rules, but were happy specifically because it was U.S. interests that they worked against, further, that they intended to employ those rules against the U.S. themselves, and even further, that they were actually doing so and had done so in the past. This certainly seems to be the gist of Chirac's comments. A U.S. less restrained by these rules is a U.S. more vulnerable - and that was precisely what they wanted. Why?

7 posted on 07/22/2003 7:49:19 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: JRandomFreeper
It worked for the Romans for a long time.
8 posted on 07/22/2003 7:49:19 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: JRandomFreeper
Remember what Machiavelli said about being feared by one's subjects: It's okay as long as you're not also hated. The main problem is that by making the Islamic world fear us, we'll have to do things that'll also make them hate us to the point where a much larger percentage of them won't just root for Al Qaeda, but join it.
9 posted on 07/22/2003 7:51:07 PM PDT by Filibuster_60
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To: Billthedrill
Sorry - last sentence should read "a U.S. restrained by those rules is a U.S. more vulnerable." Dang fingers...
10 posted on 07/22/2003 7:52:06 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
Thanks. I was about to cut 'n' paste that. I thought maybe you'd turned to the dark side in the middle of a post.
11 posted on 07/22/2003 7:53:49 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Filibuster_60
Remember what Machiavelli said about being feared by one's subjects:

I don't want them as subjects. I want them as outlanders, carefully skirting around civilization because they have been proven to not have the skill sets, and having learned their lesson.

/john

12 posted on 07/22/2003 8:02:56 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (I'm just a cook.)
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To: Billthedrill
I don't think it's entirely paranoia to conclude that were not only happy with such rules, but were happy specifically because it was U.S. interests that they worked against, further, that they intended to employ those rules against the U.S. themselves, and even further, that they were actually doing so and had done so in the past.

With the EU it's a no-brainer: They don't have the requisite hard power to be an influential player in a world where the strongest nation isn't restrained by regulations, however stifling they are to the promotion of long-term peace and stability. In fact the Europeans have built their societies in such a way that they won't have the means to pursue a more traditional realpolitik foreign policy. So that's all they do - whine. On a more sinister note, now that there's no USSR to keep them utterly dependent on US military protection, they can also retaliate by pooling their financial and technological resources to help nations - especially China - that do have a long-term potential to challenge American power.

13 posted on 07/22/2003 8:02:58 PM PDT by Filibuster_60
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To: JRandomFreeper
Exactly. I don't want them as subjects either. But if we're talking about more assertive action against them on their home turf, that's what they'll end up as.
14 posted on 07/22/2003 8:04:34 PM PDT by Filibuster_60
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To: Filibuster_60
But if we're talking about more assertive action against them on their home turf, that's what they'll end up as.

If we're talking about more assertive action against them on their home turf, their home turf will glow a soft glassy green.

No one wants those 14th century losers as subjects. And we don't need their resources. We have plenty of our own. They just need to die or go away. I don't care which.

/john

15 posted on 07/22/2003 8:10:53 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (I'm just a cook.)
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To: Filibuster_60
I agree. What I find disturbing about this is that apparently certain European leaders discount the very real, physical threat constituted to themselves and their societies by radical Islam. Buying the latter off with public denunciation of Israel is a ploy that is obviously temporary at best. These are not stupid people, and they are not unaware of those elements in their own history that should tell them that fiddling with a theoretical threat - us - in the face of a real threat - the Islamists - is utter folly. This vision they are pursuing, a vision of a world where everything is negotiable and violent men may be talked out of using force to attain their ends by those disinclined to violence and incapable of employing it, this is forgivable in the very young but quite untenable in those mature enough to be entrusted with their nations' safety. The world simply doesn't work that way, and it won't change by them cursing those who would defend them and kissing those who would destroy them.
16 posted on 07/22/2003 8:13:48 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: JRandomFreeper
And we don't need their resources. We have plenty of our own.

What world do you live in? Are you saying things would be better if we didn't have at least indirect control over the world's cheapest fuel?

17 posted on 07/22/2003 8:17:59 PM PDT by Filibuster_60
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To: Enemy Of The State
We (meaning all the civilized world) have tried to civilize warfare. Now we have rules about what can be engaged, when, how and what can be done afterwards. Gone are the days of "total war", gone is the thought "to the victor go the spoils", gone is the horror of war

and also gone is the fear of nation states to wage war.

Witness how may wars since WWII have stalemated. The fighting goes on until someone start claiming they have been brutalized.

I used to be that nations feared starting a war because they feared to LOSE. Now that fear is gone. Homes taken, why there must be a UN resolution to restore them. Buildings distroyed, why the victor must now rebuild and the walk away. It even seems that some take glory or honor from the loss. That somehow their cause is now more noble.

War is a terrible thing. It's true horrors are the worst nightmares of human existence. But when we remove these pains these horrors, our well meaning intentions only cause war to be used more frequently.

I fear the slippery slide into constant "low intensity conflicts". Better to bring the war to a bloddy end where one side says "hold, enough" and thus be damned that to constantly fight the war in the streets, markets and back alleys for the next generation.
18 posted on 07/22/2003 8:20:19 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Filibuster_60
What world do you live in?

The world where congress won't let American companies tap our vast resources off of the coast of Florida, California, and up in Seward's Folly... er.. Alaska.

Oh, and that would be direct control, but the envirowackos and lefties in congress can't allow that.

/john

19 posted on 07/22/2003 8:24:54 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (I'm just a cook.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
That's not my point. In fact our dependence on Mideast oil is less than it was a generation ago, thanks to our diversification strategy. The real point is that whether we like it or not, the Arabs are sitting atop 60% of the world's proven, easily extractable oil reserves. If we don't buy that oil to fuel our economy, others will. Pure economics dictates that we continue to go after cheap petro while it's still around. Strategic wisdom dictates that we stick around in at least some fashion in the Mideast to ensure that we remain the region's dominant power, regardless of how many troops we have on the ground.
20 posted on 07/22/2003 8:32:57 PM PDT by Filibuster_60
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To: Filibuster_60
It's not about oil. It's about a brother-in-arms that died at the Pentagon.

All of the un-domesticated 14th century rejects need to disappear. Those that can be domesticated may be allowed to continue.

And I will never be distracted from that goal.

/john

21 posted on 07/22/2003 8:42:28 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (I'm just a cook.)
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To: JRandomFreeper; All
Ping, tap-him-twice-in-Center-mass, abso-F*#@in-LUTEly correct!!!

The 1st irony of it is, when our enemies see the millions of people in the West voicing their dissent to war, they view our (democratic free expression...) actions as weakness, and are emboldened by it.

2nd irony; when they fear us, it is out of fear for their own survival... whereas the act of fear on their part will suffice to keep our citizenry safer. Crazy world, huh?

Reminds me of when I learned the real truth about the sale of Manhattan Island to the Indians for 24 bucks worth of beads and hunting knives - all my early history books made this sound like the the deal of the century. Then I grew up, and learned that it was the Indians (who had no concept of property or land ownership) who thought the white man was crazy for giving them the trinkets to 'buy' the land!

Different world views back then, as now. And I'll tell ya, i've been in that part of the world; Life is cheap, and the only thing they understand and respect over there is power.

As you and I both agree, and Machiavelli proved centuries ago... it is better to be feared than loved.

Juan
CGVet58
22 posted on 07/22/2003 8:47:05 PM PDT by CGVet58 (I still miss my ex-wife... but my aim is improving!)
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To: CGVet58
As you and I both agree, and Machiavelli proved centuries ago... it is better to be feared than loved.

Don't try speak for me. I don't agree with Niccolo's crap. He lived during a time of princes. Americans are freedmen. We have different solutions.

I don't care whether we're feared, loved, or just avoided, as long as the 14th century losers go away.

And as someone that has raised dogs, I know how to invoke the avoidance habit.

/john

23 posted on 07/22/2003 9:00:10 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (I'm just a cook.)
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To: CGVet58
And as far as I'm concerned, the ummah is just another pack of wild dogs that need to be castrated and tamed. Like we did with the Germans and Japanese in WWII.

/john

24 posted on 07/22/2003 9:05:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (I'm just a cook.)
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To: Billthedrill
Tom Clancy has said it the best.

In his novel, Executive Orders, two of his characters are talking about the United States and why everyone makes serious mistakes when dealing with us:

"America often suffers from a lack of political direction. That is not the same as incompetence.

"You know what they are like? A vicious dog held on a short leash - and because he cannot break the leash, people delude themselves that they need not fear him.

"But, within the arc of that leash he is invincible.

"And a leash, Comrade Chairman, is a temporary thing."

And to quote the Bard:

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war......
25 posted on 07/22/2003 9:17:04 PM PDT by Nip ("You can run; but then you'll only die tired" - Spectre T-shirt Logo)
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To: river rat
bttt
26 posted on 07/22/2003 9:21:03 PM PDT by lainde
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To: Enemy Of The State
How, despite their general incompetence, has this trio managed to guide the course of events as if they were powers in the traditional sense?

Just like kids on the beach, a brat can stomp sand castles quicker than talented kids can build them. It all stops when the brat gets stomped instead.

It is way past time to stomp brats.

27 posted on 07/22/2003 9:36:52 PM PDT by American in Israel (Right beats wrong.)
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To: Filibuster_60
What you are saying is correct, but it is because we wish to do the least harm to get the most good. If the Iraqi's did not respond so positively to being freed, we would be a whole lot rougher.

If they did use WMD to any great effect inside Americas borders we would nuke them into the stone age, not try to rebuild their economy.

After all, once the area was sterilized, few other nations could build oil drilling robots that were radiation resistant...
28 posted on 07/22/2003 9:41:00 PM PDT by American in Israel (Right beats wrong.)
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To: Filibuster_60
Are you saying things would be better if we didn't have at least indirect control over the world's cheapest fuel?

I think that in the light of today, we find that the oil we purchased had a much greater hidden cost attached. I do not mind buying oil for gold, but oil for blood is way too expensive. I like buying oil, but if another Hitler is thrown into the bargain, war is a much better choice.

29 posted on 07/22/2003 9:47:12 PM PDT by American in Israel (Right beats wrong.)
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To: Enemy Of The State
When your the only one that plays by the rules, that's not being civilized. That's being a chump. I'm glad we are learning.
30 posted on 07/22/2003 9:55:00 PM PDT by paul51
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To: Enemy Of The State
Impose a double standard: Act on the premise that the U.S. government alone "is permitted to use force against other agents, who are not permitted to use force."

Wrong, Daddy spanks the naughty spoiled child for throwing a temper tantrum, and breaking things.

In other words, the restaurant mater-de hears the words spoken; "Alright that's it were going to the car!"

His words are; "That brat's going to get his butt tanned."

No double standard here, just the imposition of rules for proper behavior that most of us learned and for some of us, in the very manner that we learned them on occasion.

31 posted on 07/22/2003 10:11:39 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: JRandomFreeper
We don't need to tap into Alaska or the coasts. Just take the oil from the Arabs. They have no real claim to it.

They weren't nation states when Westerners discovered and then extracted the oil. The Arabs weren't involved in the process. They just happened to be pitching their tents on the sand above the oil. Were it left to them the oil would still be buried. It's quite simply not their oil. Kick them out of the areas around the oil fields and take back what the West developed. They needn't be our "subjects"; they need merely be gone. Is this imperialism? No. It's simply the recovery of stolen property.

(This also has the effect of de-funding their radicals. Oil money can't pay for terrorists when the oil money is in someone else's bank account.)
32 posted on 07/22/2003 11:37:13 PM PDT by Redcloak (All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
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To: JRandomFreeper
"...14th century losers..." - then you missed my oblique reference to their level of political development by the use of the Machiavelli quip.

I won't "try to speak for you" (is that what it was?). Have a good life.
33 posted on 07/23/2003 3:45:11 AM PDT by CGVet58 (I still miss my ex-wife... but my aim is improving!)
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To: JRandomFreeper
No one wants those 14th century losers as subjects. And we don't need their resources. We have plenty of our own. They just need to die or go away. I don't care which.

If we get any major bombings, or a string of suicide bombings in US malls, an increasing percentage of Americans will become agreeable to drastic countermeasures against them

34 posted on 07/23/2003 5:59:55 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === will work for food)
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