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Iranian Alert -- DAY 45 -- LIVE THREAD PING LIST
The Iranian Student Movement Up To The Minute Reports ^ | 7.24.2003 | DoctorZin

Posted on 07/24/2003 12:01:20 AM PDT by DoctorZIn

The regime is working hard to keep the news about the protest movment in Iran from being reported.

From jamming satellite broadcasts, to prohibiting news reporters from covering any demonstrations to shutting down all cell phones and even hiring foreign security to control the population, the regime is doing everything in its power to keep the popular movement from expressing its demand for an end of the regime.

These efforts by the regime, while successful in the short term, do not resolve the fundamental reasons why this regime is crumbling from within.

Iran is a country ready for a regime change. If you follow this thread you will witness, I believe, the transformation of a nation. This daily thread provides a central place where those interested in the events in Iran can find the best news and commentary.

Please continue to join us here, post your news stories and comments to this thread.

Thanks for all the help.


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1 posted on 07/24/2003 12:01:20 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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2 posted on 07/24/2003 12:02:10 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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3 posted on 07/24/2003 12:03:23 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Davis and then recall the rest of the Demon Rats!!!)
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US mulls split among people, state

09:48:27 Þ.Ù
Tehran, July 24 - Commander of the ground force of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) said here Wednesday the United States is after containing Iran's Islamic Revolution in the region.

According to the IRGC public relations department, Brig. Mohammad Ali Jafari said the Muslim world has terrified the United States which is very likely to embark on dangerous acts.

Iran's Islamic Revolution has jeopardized the US interests, and the United States may commit hazardous actions to preserve its interests.

He commented on the high military capabilities of the troops under his command saying these troops stand ready to defend the nations in tough times.

The enemies, he said, are trying every possible means to separate the people from the Islamic system.

The IRGC would defend the nation in case it comes under attacks by Iran's arch-foes, he reiterated while terming the county's military capacity as "deterrent safeguards" for the nation.

The IRGC is in full readiness to counter any threat, said the commander, adding this would contribute to the consolidation of the Islamic Revolution and system.

He went on to say that the Revolution has left behind tough times and it will be faced with many challenges and dangers in the future too.
4 posted on 07/24/2003 12:16:18 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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EU fires 'warning shot' over Iran's nuclear project

By Stephen Castle in Brussels
22 July 2003

The European Union yesterday sent its toughest warning to Iran about its nuclear programme and over breaches of human rights, setting a September deadline for signs of concessions from Tehran.

In a strongly worded statement, EU foreign ministers expressed "increasing concern" about Iran's nuclear programme and demanded an "urgent and unconditional" acceptance of an international agreement to allow more stringent nuclear inspections.

The statement marks a distinct hardening of tone from the EU which has held out for a more nuanced policy of engagement with Tehran as Washington increases the political pressure on Iran.

Last month, EU foreign ministers toughened their line, coming closer to the American position, but stopped short of setting a deadline. Yesterday the ministers tried to turn the screw by saying that co-operation, including negotiations on a trade and co-operation agreement, will be reviewed in September, a move one EU diplomat called a "warning shot".

But Franco Frattini, the Foreign Minister of Italy which holds the EU presidency, said although concerns had been expressed, "we want to keep the dialogue open" and that "our job is to encourage Iran to take a step forward". An EU official added: "We are not closing any doors."

The central issue is whether Iran will sign an additional protocol of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty to allow for more extensive inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency. So far Tehran has failed to do so, insisting it has no plan to build nuclear weapons and simply wants to use nuclear power to meet its electricity needs.

EU ministers also expressed their "deep concern" over human rights abuses in the country, and their "deep shock" at the violent death in custody of a Canadian photojournalist, Zahra Kazemi. Iran must prosecute those responsible, the statement said.

The Israeli Foreign Minister, Silvan Shalom, said Tehran had an illegal nuclear weapons programme: "Iran is trying to do everything to have a nuclear weapon ... threatening not only the Middle East, [but] threatening Europe [and] the southern part of Russia."

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5 posted on 07/24/2003 12:17:49 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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The EU??? Well, I guess it's a start, at least they'll be there after we kick Iran's butt.
6 posted on 07/24/2003 12:21:18 AM PDT by Porterville (I'm Hispanic, the Supreme Court thinks I'm only 2/3 a human being, where's my 40 acres?)
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Economic sanctions against Iran a possibility

Canadian Press
Ottawa — Economic sanctions could be next after Canada recalled its ambassador to Iran over the burial of a Montreal photojournalist who died in police custody.

Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham said measures have been taken to try to have the body of Zahra Kazemi, which he said was buried Wednesday by religious authorities, exhumed and returned to Canada.

Canada has recalled Ambassador Philip MacKinnon for consultation, Mr. Graham said in an interview with The Canadian Press, and economic sanctions against Iran are a possibility.

"Everything will be a possibility," he said.

According to data from 2000, trade between Canada and Iran totals more than $700-million, making Iran one of Canada's largest export markets in the North Africa-Middle East region. Iran is also one of Canada's largest export markets for wheat, totalling about $500-million.

Mr. Graham said he would first consult with Mr. MacKinnon — who is expected back Friday — before deciding the most effective next move.

A spokesman for Iran's Foreign Ministry called Mr. Graham's comments "unacceptable," a report from the official Islamic Republic News Agency said Wednesday.

Hamid Reza Asefi said he hoped Canada would refrain from launching "hasty and irrational" remarks that could compound the issue, the report said.

Protests from Canada have succeeded in removing Tehran prosecutor Saeed Mortazavi, a hardliner who may have been one of Ms. Kazemi's interrogators, as the investigator in Ms. Kazemi's death, Mr. Graham said.

Instead, a military prosecutor will be in charge of the case.

"Clearly, we could well prefer someone more independent than a military, but I think it's a step in the right direction that it not be one of the persons who could be one of the accused responsible for her death," he said.

Prime Minister Jean Chrétien called Mr. MacKinnon's recall a "very noticeable" form of protest in diplomatic circles.

"I'm very unhappy that they would take a journalist and kill a journalist," Mr. Chrétien said Wednesday after a cabinet meeting.

Ms. Kazemi's only child, Stephan Hachemi, who lives in Montreal, had wanted her body sent to Canada for an independent autopsy and burial. Mr. Graham said the original wishes of Ms. Kazemi's mother, who lives in Iran, were the same.

But the IRNA reported Tuesday that it had received a request from Ms. Kazemi's mother to have her daughter buried in her home town of Shiraz.

Mr. Hachemi said his grandmother had told him earlier she was being pressured by Iranian officials.

Ms. Kazemi's family has hired a Canadian lawyer who has retained a separate lawyer in Tehran, Mr. Graham said.

"We'll supplement and help in every way possible the efforts of the family to have the body repatriated, including, of course, making representations directly to the government," he said.

Opposition critic Stockwell Day said because Canada failed to threaten consequences, the Iranian regime doesn't take Canada seriously.

Ottawa should have recalled its entire diplomatic staff in Iran and sent the Iranian ambassador to Canada home until demands were met, Mr. Day said from Toronto.

He said the government should also demand Canadian representation in any investigation into Ms.Kazemi's death.

Mr. Graham said he would continue to press the Iranian Foreign Minister, Kamal Kharrazi, for an "open and transparent" investigation. But he hasn't been able to reach Mr. Kharrazi, who is in South Africa on an official visit.

Iranian President Mohammad Khatami has called for an open trial of those behind Ms. Kazemi's death.

Asked if the burial would harm Iran-Canada relations, Mr. Khatami said, "Why should it? Hopefully no problems will come up with the Canadian government."

Ms. Kazemi died July 10, nearly three weeks after she was detained for taking photographs outside a Tehran prison during last month's student-led protests.

After 77 hours of interrogation, Ms. Kazemi spent 14 days in hospital before she died, according to a report conducted by a presidential committee. The hospital is controlled by the Revolutionary Guards, a hardline security force.

The last time Canada cut normal diplomatic ties with Iran was between 1980 and 1988, although they were never officially severed.

Since 1996, Canadian political relations with Iran have been governed by the policy of controlled engagement, and are reviewed periodically. In 2001, then Foreign Affairs Minister John Manley was the first minister to visit the country in a decade.
7 posted on 07/24/2003 12:27:35 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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>>> The IRGC is in full readiness to counter any threat,
>>> said the commander, adding this would contribute to the
>>> consolidation of the Islamic Revolution and system.

Does Iran seriously have the ability to hold off US might? After all, Iran and Iraq were basically at a stalemate many times with their weapons and troops in the 1980s yet we swept through Iraq in a matter of weeks.

I'm hearing that North Korea and Iran pose more stringent threats to American ability to project force, but I have to say that I'm not convinced.
8 posted on 07/24/2003 1:06:50 AM PDT by risk
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July 24, 2003 -- LAST week more than 900 or so Muslim scholars and theologians gathered in Kuala Lumpur, the Malaysian capital, to ask a simple question: What is the role of Islam in the era of globalization?
This was a star-studded occasion with many prominent religious and political figures from more than 70 Muslim countries across the globe. The participants heard 22 learned papers and sat through some 36 hours of debate spread over three days.

One theme ran through most of the papers and much of the debate: The Muslim world, ridden with internecine feuds and conflicts with the West, is in deep crisis. It was clear that most participants regarded the Muslim world as a victim of injustice, misunderstanding and unfair propaganda. Many lashed out against "Islamophobia," which is supposedly growing in the West with tacit encouragement from powerful "lobbies" in Washington.

Each time it was necessary to take a clear position, for example on terrorism and suicide bombing, the conferees weaseled out with the help of demagogic pirouettes.

Despite some attempts, notably by Malaysia's Prime Minister Mahatir Mohamad, at focusing on concrete issues, the conference drifted into the uncertain seas of obfuscation, where conspiracy theories make waves and dead souls assume the captaincy of phantom vessels.

The central question posed by the conference is both valid and in need of urgent treatment. The so-called "global world" is a Western, mainly American construct, in the shaping of which Muslims have played no part.

The "global" idea could become an instrument for providing the economically and militarily weaker societies with the means not only to survive but also to strengthen their identity in a pluralist world. Islam should look into its historic, cultural and intellectual resources to find an alternative model or to become an active participant in developing the one proposed by the West. The choice is not between being an object of globalization or its enemy.

The mere verbal rejection of globalization, while accepting all its imperatives in practice, is a sign only of intellectual laziness. To try to challenge it by violent action, without competing with it in the field of ideas, amounts to decadent formalism, of which we saw an example in the attacks against the United States on 9/11.

There we had action presented as a substitute for thought in the manner of Voltaire's bug. (That bug, annoyed by the ticktock of the clock, committed suicide by jumping at it, stopping the "infernal machine" for a fraction of a second.)

Any serious debate on where Islam is today and where it needs to be tomorrow must start with an end to the demagogic blame game. Some speakers put the blame on the usual suspects of modern Islamic mythology: the Crusaders, the Orientalists, the Imperialists, the Zionists, the Communists, the liberals, the secularists and so on.

They did not realize that by identifying any of those usual suspects as author of the Islamic predicament they were absolving generations of Muslim intellectual and political leaders of their share of responsibility. They were not prepared even to discuss the tragic failure of such supposedly "Islamic" systems as in Iran, the Sudan and Afghanistan (under the Taliban) in the past three decades.

Others, including Prime Minister Mahatir, introduced a new whipping boy: the ulema (theologians). But they ignored the fact that the ulema have been as much the victims of despotism in Muslim countries as any other social stratum. A case could be argued that the tragedies that the Muslim world has suffered in the past 150 years were a result not of any action by the ulema but of despotism in which the military, the self-styled peddlers of Western ideologies and sections of the urban middle classes were in the driving seat.

Once we have set aside the blame game we should acknowledge the existence of politics, economics and ethics as domains distinct from that of theology. What this means is that political, economic and ethical issues cannot be defined, analysed, understood and answered in purely theological terms.

The denial of those distinct domains has enabled despots and demagogues of various ideological shades to invent a theopolitical discourse that prevents any rational discussion of the problems Muslims face today.

Once we have set aside the theopolitical discourse we could acknowledge the distinction between Islam as a faith and Islam as an existential reality. This would enable us to subject Islam to rational and systematic criticism aimed at discovering its weaknesses and suggesting ways to correct them. In that way any critique of the way we live as Muslims can no longer be condemned as a critique of Islam as a faith and thus presented as a religious dividing line.

The tragic irony is that classical Islam did recognize the existence of domains distinct from theology. It was that recognition that enabledseveral generations of Muslim scholars to dig into the Greek, Persian and Indian philosophical and cultural heritage in order to enrich Islamic thought.

The theopolitical discourse that is designed to limit freedom of thought and expression in the Muslim world is a new phenomenon developed by a small number of militant thinkers influenced by Western totalitarian ideologies, especially communism and fascism.

In that sense the challenge that most Muslim peoples face today is a political, rather than religious, one. It is perfectly possible for Muslims to develop a modern and democratic society in the era of globalization. But to do that they have to understand that religion is part of life, not the other way round as the theopolitical discourse suggests.

The conferees of Kuala Lumpur, probably afraid of incurring the wrath of demagogues, missed an opportunity to lead the debate in that direction.

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9 posted on 07/24/2003 1:44:20 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Excellent assessment. Unfortunately those that need to read this and understand will do neither.
10 posted on 07/24/2003 3:34:26 AM PDT by visualops (Ding Dong the Brats are Dead! Which old brats? Saddam's Brats! Ding Dong the Wicked Brats are Dead!)
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Thanks for the ping
11 posted on 07/24/2003 4:22:45 AM PDT by firewalk
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"IRGC" or Islamic Revolutionary Gaurds Corps is similar to "Republican Guard" of Saddam Hussein.

12 posted on 07/24/2003 5:03:50 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it.)
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Furious PM pulls envoy out of Iran
'They kill a journalist ... It's horrible what they've done,' Chrétien fumes

Norma Greenaway
The Ottawa Citizen

Thursday, July 24, 2003

A visibly angry Jean Chrétien lashed out at Iran yesterday over the death in custody and the burial of a photojournalist from Montreal, describing the behaviour of Iranian authorities as intolerable and recalling Canada's ambassador from Tehran in protest.

"I'm very unhappy that they take a journalist and kill a journalist," the prime minister said after a cabinet meeting. "It's unacceptable. I think it's horrible what they've done. We protested the strongest we could."

Mr. Chrétien's outburst was prompted by confirmation that Zahra Kazemi, 54, who died in detention from a fractured skull, had been buried in Iran, contrary to the expressed wishes of her son in Montreal and the Canadian government that her remains be returned to Canada. Mr. Chrétien said that although there is nothing he can do to bring Ms. Kazemi, 54, back to life, the government is committed to trying to get her body back.

Foreign Minister Bill Graham, emerging from the same cabinet meeting, reiterated the government's demands for an "open and transparent" inquiry to determine who was responsible for her death on July 10.

Mr. Graham said he took some comfort from the decision earlier yesterday to turn the freshly ordered inquiry into Ms. Kazemi's death over to the Tehran military court.

The move, which Mr. Graham termed a "positive" sign, takes the inquiry out of the hands of Saeed Mortazavi, a controversial, conservative hardline prosecutor whom some Iranians accuse of being responsible for Ms. Kazemi's death.

Mr. Graham also said Canada was considering sanctions against Iran that go beyond the indefinite recall of its ambassador "for consultations."

He said the federal government won't make a decision until it gets input on what would be most effective from Philip MacKinnon, Canada's ambassador to Iran. Mr. MacKinnon is expected back in Ottawa by the weekend.

"We have an array of measures which are open to us," Mr. Graham said without elaborating.

He argued, however, Mr. MacKinnon's recall sends a strong initial message.

"The Iranian government and all governments know that the recalling of an ambassador for consultations is a diplomatic form of indicating extreme disquiet and displeasure with actions of the government."

Other options include expelling one or more of the 16 Iranian diplomats in Canada and imposing trade sanctions.

Canada exported $430 million worth of goods in 2001. Wheat made up more than two-thirds of Canada's exports to the Middle Eastern country.

In Tehran, a government spokesman was quoted by Agence France-Presse as urging Canada not to overreact to Ms. Kazemi's case. "Canada's attitude over the regrettable death of an Iranian citizen is unjustified," spokesman Hamid-Reza Asefi was quoted as saying. "We hope Canada will avoid premature and illogical actions that could further complicate the situation."

Ms. Kazemi's son, Stephan Hachemi, advised the government within hours of his mother's burial in the southern city of Shiraz, which was captured on Iran's state-run television, that he wants the body exhumed and brought to Canada. He says Iranian authorities pressured his grandmother to sign a letter saying she wanted her daughter buried in Iran.

The Chrétien government has asked a lawyer it has on retainer in Tehran to explore the civil and religious rules governing such matters in Iran and to report on what options might be available.

Foreign Affairs spokesman Reynald Doiron said the lawyer's findings are not expected before next week.

Canadian Alliance MP Stockwell Day blasted the government's response to Kazemi's death and burial as "too little, too late." He argued the Iranian government ignored Canada's demands to return the body because it had no fear of being punished.

Mr. Graham signalled the government is treading somewhat carefully in terms of punishing Iran, partly because it wants to encourage the "liberal" forces within the government of Mohammed Khatami.

The foreign minister said President Khatami appears to be serious when he says he wants an independent inquiry into the death. An initial report, prepared by four Iranian cabinet ministers, said Ms. Kazemi, who endured 77 hours of interrogation, died of a fractured skull after a blow to the head. It did not, however, say who was behind the death, thereby leaving a gaping hole in the account.

"We want to help the government of Iran, Mr. Khatami, who wants to get to the bottom of this, (to) deal with the conservatives in this country who are taking another attitude."

Ms. Kazemi was arrested while taking pictures outside a Tehran prison during last month's student-led protests.
13 posted on 07/24/2003 5:08:24 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it.)
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Tehran condemns killing Iranian national by Canada police

Tehran, July 24, IRNA -- Foreign Ministry Spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi
on Thursday condemned killing Iranian national Keyvan Tabesh and
injuring the other Amir Aqaei by the Canadian police and the news
blackout imposed on the "criminal act" there.
The Canadian police attacked three Iranian nationals in Vancouver
on Tuesday morning killing Keyvan Tabesh and injuring Amir Aqaie.
Canada imposed a news blackout on mass media during the past two
Asefi raised the "ambiguity" of the "criminal act" committed by
the Canadian police.
"The crime perpetrated by Canadian police which is responsible for
the security of the society, has caused fear and horror among the
Iranian Community in Canada," he said.
The strict censorship imposed on the incident has added to the
ambiguity of the issue, Asefi added.
The Islamic Republic of Iran will urge the Canadian government,
through diplomatic channels, to deliver prompt, transparent and
satisfying explanation on the horrifying crime, he said.
The spokesman said that the Islamic Republic of Iran calls on the
Canadian government to bring to justice those responsible for the
14 posted on 07/24/2003 5:11:54 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it.)
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Canada accused of killing Iranian

Thursday, 24 July, 2003, 11:53 GMT 12:53 UK

Iran has accused Canadian police of killing a young Iranian as tensions continue over the death of a Canadian journalist in Iranian custody earlier this month.
An Iranian foreign ministry spokesman has demanded that Canada "give an explicit, transparent and satisfactory explanation" of the alleged incident in Vancouver on Tuesday.

According to Iranian state media, police officers attacked three young Iranians - causing the death of a man named as Keyvan Tabesh and injuring the others.

There was no immediate response from Canada.

On Wednesday, Ottawa condemned the burial of Canadian journalist Zahra Kazemi in Iran - which was apparently against her family's wishes - and said it was recalling its ambassador from Tehran and considering sanctions.

Ms Kazemi, 54, died on 10 July, more than two weeks after her arrest for taking pictures outside a prison.

An Iranian report said she died in custody from a severe blow to the head which fractured her skull and caused a brain haemorrhage.

The report failed to say how and why the injury was inflicted, but called for an independent investigation.

Turning the tables

Iran also defended the decision to bury the photojournalist in the city of Shiraz on Wednesday, saying they had the go-ahead from her mother.

But Ms Kazemi's son, Montreal-based Stephan Hachemi, has said his 75-year-old grandmother was "forced" to authorise the burial.

Canada backed Mr Hachemi's calls for her body to be returned to Canada for a post-mortem and burial.

It has criticised Tehran for not doing more to bring those responsible to justice.

The Iranian foreign minister spokesman, Hamid Reza Asefi, turned the tables on Canada by calling for a fully inquiry into the alleged death of the Iranian man.

"Why have Canadian police, who should safeguard the security of the people, committed this disgraceful crime which scared Iranian citizens living in Canada?" he was quoted as saying.
Also here at:
15 posted on 07/24/2003 5:17:04 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it.)
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Yes to American statesmanship, no to showmanship

Daily Star Lebannon
23rd of July 2003

The renewed American warnings to Syria and Iran Monday by President George W. Bush followed Secretary of State Colin Powell’s own admonishments a few days earlier, on issues such as weapons of mass destruction, terror, support for Hizbullah and Arab-Israeli peacemaking. This American campaign against Damascus and Tehran is not to be taken lightly, however thin may be the evidence offered to support the American accusations. One pays attention when the total number of US military bases around the world hovers around the 150 mark and continues to rise, and Washington liberally engages in armed attacks and wars in its self-appointed role of global cop.
Yet the more we see of America as worldwide enforcer, the more clear become the fault lines that define America’s interaction with the world. Five separate issues should be disentangled from one another and addressed prudently.
1. The policies of the Syrian and Iranian governments. It is perfectly fair to ask that Damascus and Tehran abide by the reasonable international norms that have been agreed upon by the community of nations.
Should these or any other states pursue policies that really threaten others, they should be dealt with through the available legitimate mechanisms. Such a case has not been proven here, and so the unilateral, threatening American policy toward Damascus and Tehran has elicited little support. Instead, we see considerable worldwide disdain and even contempt for this American foreign policy approach defined by frustration, arrogance, threats, and a quick trigger finger.
2. The issue of legitimate enforcement of international norms. If Syria, Iran or Hizbullah are doing evil things and threatening others, that should be determined by one of many available international mechanisms, especially through the UN system, respected international non-governmental organizations, and even impartial, credible research and analysis institutions. The civilized world, as George Bush and Colin Powell call it, has developed means to identify, verify, contain, and end potential threats to peace; but the unilateral ideological and military exuberance of George Bush and Colin Powell are not among those means.
3. The issue of equal, consistent enforcement of international norms. The US again generates worldwide criticism because it is seen to be applying a transparent double standard in deciding that some countries can develop sophisticated weapons systems and others cannot. The message from Washington is titanic in its hypocrisy, and so it elicits proportionately strong resistance.
4. The nature of American interaction with the rest of the world. The US government’s post-Sept. 11 tendency to pursue a global policy comprising a combination of hypocrisy, militarism, unilateralism, selective lies, and cooking the books of intelligence data raises widespread fears. When experienced from beyond the shores of the United States, a unipolar world also looks like a lawless world. As the US expands its worldwide military bases and operations, and makes fighting terror rather than promoting human dignity and decency its main policy goal, it highlights a dilemma that has plagued the US since its inception: Do Americans interact with others in this world as equal human beings, with shared interests, or as superior beings with a divine mandate and a special calling? America’s self-perception as mighty and noble global enforcer of All Things Good and Decent elicits from the rest of the world only perplexed chuckles ­ and, more recently, a readiness to dive for cover when the Marines appear. Yet, paradoxically, many people around the world also call for US troops and assistance (e.g., Liberia), suggesting that the US should devise policies that maximize its constructive interventions that win it friends and allies, and minimize destructive ones that earn it only scorn and fear.
5. The complex relationship between domestic and foreign policy in the US. One of the hard lessons we learn these days is about the distortions in an otherwise fine American democratic system of federal republicanism. The ability of special interest groups and narrow lobbies inside the US to steer American foreign policy onto its current course is a problem for Americans to resolve ­ though the consequences of this problem touch the rest of the world. The fact that soldiers, rather than businesspeople, tourists or diplomats, are fast becoming the leading symbol of America’s interaction with the world should make ordinary Americans more worried, rather than more secure.
Iran and Syria are fascinating places, ancient cultures with thousands of years of human experience, rich moral and political legacies, great food, wonderful cities, some of the warmest, kindest people in the world, precarious economies, and stressed governance systems experiencing internal and regional pressures to evolve, open up, democratize, and modernize.
Bush and Powell would be well advised to drop the Lone Ranger behavior, and instead opt for a more legitimate and constructive approach to valid global issues that would benefit from greater American statesmanship, and less showmanship.

Rami G. Khouri is executive editor of The Daily Star
16 posted on 07/24/2003 5:23:56 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it.)
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A very good article about latest Iranian Missile Tests!
17 posted on 07/24/2003 5:30:21 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it.)
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The enemies, he said, are trying every possible means to separate the people from the Islamic system.

Mohammad you idiot! We could care less who you worship(or even IF you worship) or how you worship god/gods. All we ask(no demand) is that you don't go around killing our people. You stop going around acting like our enemy and making incredibly moronic statements like this and we'll get along fine...don't do this and well we're going to have a problem...And you don't want that!

18 posted on 07/24/2003 6:24:16 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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Tag! Your it. See # 9
19 posted on 07/24/2003 6:26:15 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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Read later. Got to run. :)
20 posted on 07/24/2003 7:35:27 AM PDT by Gabrielle Reilly
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How Might Cuba be Jamming US Transmissions to Iran?

July 24, 2003
The Guardian
Alok Jha

In theory all they have to do is deafen the US satellite transmitting to Iran. Whether it's happening or not is uncertain. The US is investigating claims that its station, Voice of America, has been blocked since launching a daily Persian-language programme aimed at Iran.

The Cubans deny jamming but the US state department suspects a jamming signal is coming from a monitoring complex outside Havana built by the Soviets during the Cold War to spy on the US.

There are dozens of different types of communication satellites in use today but they generally rely on the same principle. Launched into a geostationary orbit (where the satellite maintains a fixed position relative to the Earth), the satellite receives information from the broadcaster, which it then beams back down to a target area on the ground. Anyone in that target area with an antenna and the appropriate decoder can tune in.

To jam the transmission at a particular frequency, you send a powerful transmission to the satellite at that frequency. If it is strong enough and contains only white noise, the satellite will get confused. "It overloads the satellite and it can't tell the difference between that signal and the [correct] signal," says an expert in radio communications at the British National Space Centre (who asked not to be named). "It's like you're sitting in a pub and somebody is shouting very loudly. You just can't hear the conversation of the person sitting next to you."

Finding the satellite is easy. "All their positions are listed and known internationally," says the BNSC source. "It's on an open database - what does what and where." The aim of the database is for countries to coordinate their transmissions and avoid interference. Of course, anyone planning to block signals can use the information. It's not all simple, though. Sending up a signal strong enough to jam a satellite transmission needs a lot of power and very large ground antennae. During the cold war, western broadcasters regularly changed the frequencies of their transmissions to Russia to get around the Soviet government's jamming.,12977,1004388,00.html

"If you want on or off this Iran ping list, Freepmail me”
21 posted on 07/24/2003 7:56:44 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Questions Arise in Iran Journalist Death

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer

TEHRAN, Iran - A hard-line Tehran prosecutor coerced an official to announce a false cause of death — a stroke — for an Iranian-Canadian journalist who died in police custody, the official said in a letter made public Thursday.

Tehran Prosecutor Saeed Mortazavi has been blamed by Iranian reformers for the death of journalist Zahra Kazemi, who was interrogated for 77 hours by police before being taken to an emergency room where she died weeks later — of a head injury, according to a presidential investigation.

The July 10 death of Kazemi, who was arrested while photographing anti-government protests last month, has raised a bitter dispute among Iran's reformists and hard-liners — and the government's handling of the case prompted Canada to announce the recall of its ambassador Wednesday.

The accusation that Mortazavi pushed the story that Kazemi died of a stroke came in a letter from Mohammad Hussein Khoshvaqt, head of the foreign press department at Iran's Culture Ministry and the official responsible for giving a press card to Kazemi.

Khoshvaqt wrote that the prosecutor accused Kazemi of being a spy and threatened to bring charges against Khoshvaqt for "issuing permission for a spy to work."

Mortazavi "asked me to write what he dictated to me. He raised several issues including ... death due to brain stroke. ... Then he got it typed on a paper with a Culture Ministry emblem. Got me to sign it and sent it" to the official Islamic Republic News Agency, Khoshvaqt's letter said.

Khoshvaqt said he was effectively held hostage at Mortazavi's office and allowed to leave only after IRNA ran the story.

Koshvaqt's letter, addressed to Parliamentary Speaker Mahdi Karroubi, was published Thursday in the reformist paper Yas-e-Nou. Ali Reza Shiravi, an official at the Culture Ministry, confirmed the authenticity of the letter to The Associated Press.

The hard-line Islamic clerics who hold sway in Iran control the judiciary and prosecutors offices. Khoshvaqt's letter came amid accusations that the hard-liners are trying to cover up the circumstances of Kazemi's death.

Mortazavi is widely believed to had pushed for a quiet burial of Kazemi soon after her death, but presidential investigators stepped in to prevent the burial until investigations were complete.

Iran's Vice President Mohammad Ali Abtahi then said Kazemi died of a beating, nearly three weeks after she was arrested.

The presidential committee that investigated the death said Kazemi, 54, had complained of punishment from her guards and eventually died of a "fractured skull, brain hemorrhage and its consequences resulting from a hard object hitting the head or the head hitting a hard object."

On Wednesday, Kazemi was buried in her birthplace, the southern Iranian city of Shiraz, against the wishes of her son, Stephan Hachemi, who lives in Montreal, and the Canadian government.

Iran described Canada's decision to recall its ambassador as "unacceptable," IRNA reported late Wednesday.

"The Islamic Republic of Iran, in accordance with its responsibilities, is resolved to investigate the circumstances of this grave incident. In any case, we hope that Canada will refrain from taking any hasty and irrational measures that could complicate the situation," IRNA quoted Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi as saying.

On Wednesday, Iran's pro-reform president, Mohammad Khatami, called for an open trial of those behind the death. "Any person who is a culprit anywhere should be punished and the issue clarified," Khatami told reporters.
22 posted on 07/24/2003 7:58:47 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it.)
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To: F14 Pilot
Police identify shooting victim
WebPosted Jul 15 2003 01:28 PM PDT

VANCOUVER - Port Moody Police say the young man shot and killed by a plain-clothes officer on Monday was an 18-year-old recent immigrant to Canada.

Scene of the shooting

Keyvan Tabesh, who lived in Burnaby, was killed around 2 a.m. Monday.

Police say it appears he came at the officer with a raised machete.

FROM JULY 14, 2003: Fatal police shooting under investigation

Cst. Brian Soles says two friends in the same car are corroborating the police version of events.

"Statements taken from these two individuals support the findings thus far reached by police investigators," he says.
Cst. Brian Soles
"That is, that the deceased got out of his vehicle and ran at the police officer with an upraised machete."

The friends have told police Tabesh was very angry and upset the evening before the shooting.

There is still no indication whether the plain-clothes officer – a long-time police veteran – clearly identified himself as a police officer.

A second person shot by the officer is recovering in hospital.

He is not in police custody.
23 posted on 07/24/2003 8:00:45 AM PDT by nuconvert
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EU Expected To Stand Firm On Its Ultimatum To Tehran

July 23, 2003
Radio Free Europe
Ahto Lobjakas

The European Union has given Iran an ultimatum: either Tehran allows UN nuclear weapons inspectors free access to its atomic energy sites, or the bloc will call off trade talks. It was also made clear that a successful conclusion to the trade talks will not be possible without further Iranian cooperation on issues ranging from human rights to the Middle East peace process. Analysts appear convinced the bloc has overcome its divisions on Iraq and will -- if necessary -- make good on the threat.

Prague -- The EU this week indicated it means business when it says the nonproliferation of weapons of mass destruction is now its foremost global security concern.

The bloc gave Iran until September to sign a UN protocol giving weapons inspectors full access to its nuclear facilities. The ministers said the EU will "review" its willingness to pursue trade liberalization talks with Tehran if International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohammed ElBaradei does not report progress on the issue by the deadline.

EU foreign ministers also reiterated long-standing demands for Iranian cooperation on issues such as terrorism, missile technology, the Middle East peace process, and human rights. The bloc clearly reasserted the link between progress on those issues and the successful conclusion of trade talks.

Steven Everts, a senior analyst with the London-based Centre for European Reform, says providing full access to UN nuclear inspectors is the "absolute minimum" Iran needs to do to stave off EU retribution: "It's my firm expectation that if Mohammed ElBaradei reports back in September and says, 'I'm getting nowhere with Tehran. They're still not addressing these precise questions on the number of nuclear facilities, and they're not willing to accept these tougher inspections,' then I expect the EU to say that [under] these circumstances, the trade talks cannot continue."

Everts says other questions -- such as missile technology, the country's alleged support of Palestinian militants, or its worsening human rights record -- are comparatively less topical.

EU ministers did not take a clear stance, however, as to what precisely will happen should Iran not comply with the demands by September. Italy's foreign minister, Franco Frattini -- representing the current EU presidency -- sidestepped requests for clarification.

His French colleague, Dominique de Villepin, said Iran faces a "strategic choice," but added it would not be in the interests of the international community to isolate Iran.

The tough EU position is not a radical departure from the bloc's earlier policy. Attempts to engage Iran "positively" have for years been accompanied by demands similar to the terms being set out now. EU officials have indicated, however, that the link between trade talks and political concerns had been toned down in the past to avoid harming the reformist movement in Iran.

Iran today rejected the EU ultimatum. State-run radio quotes Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi as saying that "imposing preconditions or using threatening language is totally unacceptable."

Fraser Cameron, director of studies at the Brussels-based European Policy Centre, says he believes Iran, in the end, will realize the EU means business and will act accordingly to avoid international isolation.

"I get the impression from talking to Iranian [officials] that they think that they can comply with the EU conditions. Obviously, there are disputes going on within Iran at the highest level about the future course of Iranian policy, but I think that the EU and, indeed, the U.S. are now working much closer together on this than they were in the past. And I think the prospect of bringing about some changes -- as a result of the combined pressure -- is reasonably good," Cameron said.

Iranian officials have in recent days indicated the country could sign the additional IAEA protocol. Previously, however, they had linked signing with a demand that the international community drop its embargo on civilian nuclear imports to Iran.

The EU says no conditions are acceptable.

Both Cameron and Everts stress that acting on the ultimatum will not mean the EU supports the use of force against Iran.

Everts says the "crunch time" for the EU has yet to come, indicating divisions could re-emerge as matters escalate. But he notes the robust stance adopted by the EU represents an "encouraging" improvement over what has gone on before.

Everts says that by letting Iran off the hook, the EU would undermine the very multilateral regime of conflict prevention and resolution it says it stands for: "If we don't stand up for these agreements, then what is the role of the EU internationally? We have to support the rules, but, at the same time, we have to be prepared to act tough when the rules are broken. And at the moment, Iran's breaking the rules."

Cameron says he is "absolutely" sure the EU will, if forced, carry through with its threat. He says the occasional breakdown in the preferred EU policy of "positive engagement" is unavoidable if the bloc's common foreign policy is to be credible.

"The EU, I think, has always taken the view that you do not condemn outright any country. We don't use this language [of] rogue states and axes of evil, and we think that a policy of constructive engagement should be carried out wherever possible," he says. "Now, it may be that there are limits to this policy if you get no results but, hitherto, we have taken the view that would have gone for Iran that you're more likely to bring about change by engaging with the country -- critical engagement, it's called -- rather than isolating the country."

Cameron notes the debate about the relative merits of engagement compared with isolation and sanctions is likely to remain an "area of dispute" between the EU and the U.S. He points to the example of Cuba, where he says 40 years of U.S. sanctions have brought no results. A shift to EU-style engagement, he says, could prove much more effective.
24 posted on 07/24/2003 8:01:48 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Fatal police shooting under investigation
WebPosted Jul 14 2003 06:30 PM PDT

Susan Danard reports for CBC News
VANCOUVER - Port Moody Police are investigating the shooting overnight involving a plain clothes officer, that left one man dead and another man in hospital.

Port Moody crime scene

A third man was unhurt and is now in police custody.

Police say the veteran 20-year officer was helping pursue a man who had allegedly attacked two women in a car parked on Port Moody's main street.

They told police a car bumped them from behind, and then a man got out of the car and began to smash at their windows with a machete.

Cst.Brian Soles

Port Moody Police spokesperson, Cst. Brian Soles, says the attack appears to have been random.

"The women maintain that they had never seen this person before, that they had no prior dealings, there was nothing preliminary to this person coming up behind them and basically pushing their car with his."

The man's car was later spotted by the plain clothes constable on a dead-end street.

Police say three men got out of the car and confronted him. The officer opened fire, killing one man, and wounding another.

Cst. Soles says it appears one of the three men had a machete in his hand. "The machete was recovered immediately at the scene and just outside the member's vehicle, nearby where the shooting took place."

The wounded man is expected to recover, while the third suspect is being interviewed by investigators.

Soles also says a statement is being taken from the officer involved.
25 posted on 07/24/2003 8:03:16 AM PDT by nuconvert
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Military barrack in east of Tehran still ablaze

Tehran, July 24, IRNA -- A huge fire hazard that had started on
Wednesday afternoon in Tehran's Barrack Number II of Qasr-e-Firouze
has still not been quenched.
The said military barrack's warehouses number 21, 22, and 23,
allocated to storing the auto spare parts, medical drugs, and food
stuff for the soldiers, are still ablaze, according to the IRAN
correspondent in the region.
The said warehouses are totally burned out by the time our
reporter dispatched the news, and the reason for the fire hazard is
already announced as a spark from an electrical wire at one of the

A fire in a Military Base?????????? Looks so strange! Doesnt it?
26 posted on 07/24/2003 8:05:16 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it.)
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I just received confirmation from one of our contacts in Iran...

I saw that fire and blazes myself, one day before that, Tehrani people also saw another fire in East of Tehran.
It was a Hospital and its smoke covered the eastern part of the city and visible from everywhere in Tehran.
That Military Baracks and Bases belong to IRGC and Police forces.
East of Tehran is a Military Camp, I have to add.
Other Armed Services have Bases and Camps there like 2 Important Air Force Bases, IRGC HQ, 56 Air Borne Brigade, Anti-Riot Police HQ, Basidj HQ, Army Training Camp and the biggest Military Hospital of the Middle East is still located there.

I will search more on that and will let you know about it.

Your Student Friend in Iran "
27 posted on 07/24/2003 8:20:32 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Iran Journalists Fear for Colleagues

July 24, 2003
The Peninsula

TEHRAN -- An association of Iranian journalists said yesterday it was concerned for the lives of 21 in jail in the country, fearing a repeat of the death in custody this month of a photojournalist.

Zahra Kazemi, 54, a Canadian of Iranian descent, died on July 10, more than two weeks after she was arrested for taking pictures outside a Tehran prison where political dissidents are held.

“We have 21 journalists in jail. Iran is the second largest jail for journalists in the world,” Mohsen Kadivar, an Islamic scholar and member of the board of the Association for the Defence of the Freedom of the Press, told a news conference.

“Is there any guarantee that the same thing that happened to Kazemi will not happen to them?”
28 posted on 07/24/2003 8:23:16 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Khatami cancels trip to Belgium

Report says Iranian President has cancelled visit to Belgium after EU criticism of Iran's nuclear programe.

TEHRAN - Iranian President Mohammad Khatami has cancelled a visit to Belgium, the government newspaper Iran said Thursday, linking the decision to European pressure on Iran's nuclear programme and human rights.

"It is possible that the cancellation of this visit is not unconnected to the recent attitude of the European Union, which made progress in relations with Iran conditional on its signature of the additional protocol (of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty) and respect for human rights," the paper said.

No official confirmation could be obtained Thursday of the cancellation of a visit which has never been announced officially here.

On July 11 Belgium's state radio RTBF said Khatami was to visit Belgium to receive an honorary doctorate from the university of Liege, probably in the autumn.

Iran Tuesday rejected "conditions or threats" attached to its negotiations with the EU, whose foreign ministers Monday expressed "increasing concern" over Iran's nuclear programme and warned the trade bloc would review relations with Tehran unless it cooperates fully with the UN's nuclear watchdog agency.

"More intense economic relations can be achieved only if progress is reached in the four areas of concern, namely human rights, terrorism, non-proliferation and the Middle East peace process," a joint EU statement said.

The ministers said they would "review future steps of the cooperation between the EU and Iran in September," adding that their next moves will depend on a report by the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Mohamed ElBaradei.

Iran is under strong international pressure to sign the additional NPT protocol to allow surprise inspections by the IAEA of its nuclear sites to show it is not developing atomic weapons.
29 posted on 07/24/2003 8:27:43 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Getting tough on Tehran

National Post
Thursday, July 24, 2003

Cheers to Prime Minister Jean Chrétien and Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham for showing the government of Iran that it cannot sweep the death of a Canadian journalist under the carpet. But recalling our ambassador from Tehran is only a first step. Ottawa must ratchet up the pressure until we learn the full truth about the apparent murder of Zahra Kazemi.

Iranian police arrested the Montreal-based photojournalist on June 23 as she was taking photos of the Elvin prison in northern Iran. Ms. Kazemi, who carries both Iranian and Canadian passports, was then interrogated for 77 hours and allegedly beaten into a coma. On July 11, she died. Her death has provoked an uproar in Iran's majlis (Parliament), with reformist politicians using the incident as ammunition in their war against the thuggish theocrats who control the police and courts. A presidential committee report released Monday concluded that, contrary to initial claims of a stroke, Ms. Kazemi died of a fractured skill. But it did not identify her killers.

Ottawa must demand two things: (1) an independent judicial inquiry into Ms. Kazemi's death conducted with the participation of Canadian experts; and (2) the return of Ms. Kazemi's remains to Canada for autopsy and permanent burial. (Iranian authorities yesterday buried the body in the city of Shiraz, apparently as a means to head off further scrutiny. But her Canadian son wants the body back in Canada. According to the Canadian government, so too does her Iranian mother.)

Until Iran delivers on these demands, Canada should sever relations and Iran's diplomatic delegation to this country should be expelled. In this way, Ottawa can help discredit Iran's hardliners and thereby strengthen the cause of reform in that country. More importantly, the moves will demonstrate to Ms. Kazemi's family -- and to all Canadians -- that Ottawa will not let this murderous outrage stand.

© Copyright 2003 National Post
30 posted on 07/24/2003 8:45:22 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: DoctorZIn; F14 Pilot
Morning bump!

Thank you for all of your posts.

I'll be back later!

31 posted on 07/24/2003 8:57:32 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers)
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To: DoctorZIn
I could care less what State claims to believe, but Cuba as the source of the jamming has been independantly confirmed.

Thanks for posting this. Sorry I haven't answered any of your pings lately, but haven't had a chance to be online much the past couple of weeks.

32 posted on 07/24/2003 8:58:59 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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"I'm very unhappy that they take a journalist and kill a journalist," the prime minister said after a cabinet meeting.

Took Chrétien long enough to become "unhappy" with the murder of a Canadian citizen, didn't it?

I'd hate to see when he'd do if Canada were attacked the way the US was on 9/11/01...surrender most likely.

By the time Iran allows the body to be exhumed in two or three years, which they will not do unless the skeleton doen't show too many signs of trauma, forensic investigators will be forced to announce they cannot come to a definite conclusion on the cause of death.

33 posted on 07/24/2003 9:11:31 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: nuconvert
Little different take on the story than the Iranian gov't is giving.
34 posted on 07/24/2003 10:11:10 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: visualops
>>>>>>Excellent assessment. Unfortunately those that need to read this and understand will do neither. >>>>>>>>>>>>>

That unfortunately is my calling in life... to get beaten over the head consistently for putting the truth in front of people with a different view. Why me????????? :) I could be buffing my finger nails...

This article is targeted to the market you talk of and has been posted in 58 countries, 40 US States, 10 Canadian cities and 5 Aussie cities in the past 48 hours.

It is ESSENTIAL we do not play into the Saudi's chess game through ignorance of global affairs.

35 posted on 07/24/2003 11:17:44 AM PDT by Gabrielle Reilly
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To: DoctorZIn; F14 Pilot
Thanks for the pings
36 posted on 07/24/2003 12:05:27 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: DoctorZIn; F14 Pilot
Afternoon bump!
37 posted on 07/24/2003 1:54:22 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Pan_Yans Wife; fat city; freedom44; Tamsey; Grampa Dave; PhiKapMom; ...
Iran's Moment, How To Seize It

July 20, 2003
Sunday Times of London

It's perhaps only natural that the subject of Iran would be so contentious in American politics. It destroyed one presidency - Jimmy Carter's - and it rubbed the gloss off another - Ronald Reagan's. Since the collapse of the Shah in 1979, the country has exerted a pull on American fears and hopes in the Middle East unlike most others. In the war against Islamist terrorism, Iran is also the biggest deal there is. Bigger than Iraq, it is far closer to a nuclear capacity than Saddam was in recent years. Bigger even than Saudi Arabia, because its government is so viscerally hostile to the West. As the first country to have completely succumbed to the new and lethal ideology of Islamo-fascism, it's also the pre-eminent symbol of the status quo the United States needs and wants to change after September 11. Were the mullahs who now act as de facto dictators to fall, the psychological, political and criminal impact would be unprecedented. It would galvanize the transition to democracy in Iraq. It would cut off critical funds to terrorist groups like Hezbollah. And Tehran's wide and deep contacts with Islamist terrorists more generally would be ruptured.

And yet Washington worries. And fidgets. And procrastinates. Several top-level White House meetings on the future of policy toward Iran have been put off. No decisive policy shift toward explicitly favoring regime change in Tehran has been announced. At times, in fact, the White House seems in some kind of suspended animation on the matter. Having denounced Iran as part of an "axis of evil," the Bushies seem reluctant to follow through on the obvious implications. Part of this is simple caution in the face of a complicated and volatile situation, as opposition protests break out all over the country but as reliable news and credible intelligence are extremely hard to get. Part of it is endemic State Department wariness about diplomatic conflict. But part too is a result of the conclusion of a certain internal debate. For a while in the late 1990s and early twenty-first century, foreign policy analysts believed that "moderate" reformers could actually liberalize Iran from within, in a long, fitful process of democratization. Very few analysts now buy that notion - even those in the Blair government who once held out hope for some kind of outreach to moderates. And you can see why the new consensus emerged: the past few years have seen no real emergence of a genuinely powerful or independent moderate bloc in the country or the government. However well reformers have done in elections, they wield no effective power - especially over the critical military and intelligence sectors.

So what to do? Rumsfeldians argue that military force cannot be ruled out in terms of Iran's potential nuclear capacity. An Osirak-like raid on a nuclear power plant has therefore not been ruled out. And president Bush's statement this week that he and other Western leaders will simply not tolerate a nuclear-armed Iran was a clear statement of his willingness to use all means possible to avoid this. Again, the logic is impeccable. If you have just waged a war in part to ensure that one hostile dictatorship in the Middle East cannot achieve WMD capacity, how can you sit around and watch a more urgent threat take shape and form?

But this use of force would be entirely targeted on WMD capacity - and only as a very last resort. It is not U.S. policy to promote actual regime change in Iran through military force. As a paid-up member of the neocon cabal in Washington D.C. (we meet in secret every month to plot the American take-over of the entire world), I can assure you that no one is interested in an invasion. And no one wants to add to the military and logistical strain of rescuing the broken country of Iraq next door. So the question essentially comes down to how to achieve regime change without armed invasion.

For the first time in along while, that now seems possible. The inspiring stories from Iran of students and opposition groups braving hired Afghan thugs to demand freedom and democracy have finally woken up Americans to the possibility of a win-win. "When the time is right we will all join," a female student told the BBC last week. "I can smell it in the air. This time is different. I despise Islam and the mullahs even though I am officially a Muslim now. I don't have the right to change my religion in Iran. I despise the regime and so do 90 percent of the Iranians. All the people who elected Khatami despise the regime and they thought he'd bring change. We fight for a referendum conducted by the United Nations. The masses support the students and are waiting for the right time to make the final impact." Of course, these protests have been going on for years; and some of them have been unabashedly pro-American. But the impact of nascent democracy next door and the continued failure of the mullahs to provide anything approximating accountable government seem to have pushed the opposition to new heights. The fact that the Islamist dictators have had to rely on imported vigilantes to maintain order suggests how fragile their regime might now be.

Some sophisticates argue that the U.S. should simply sit back and say nothing. If the opposition is identified as American proxies, U.S. intervention could play into the hands of the mullahs. The trouble with this is that the U.S. government has to say something; and many of the students are looking for American support. President Bush's careful phrases - describing the protests as "the beginnings of people expressing themselves toward a free Iran" and urging the mullahs to treat the dissidents with respect - struck a balance between moral support and avoidance of a direct call to rise up, when such a rising might be prematurely put down by the government.

But the clarity of an American president's support for basic democratic rights is still a critical component for democracy in Iran. Every dissident movement has told us in retrospect that they were grateful for rhetorical support from the West during the dark periods of repression. That is true for those who struggled against tyranny in South Africa and Eastern Europe. Besides, if inflammatory rhetoric from Washington always undermined those it wants to support, the Iranian student movement would be dead by now. Bush's much-derided description of Tehran as part of an axis of evil didn't kill off protest. It helped sustain it.

Perhaps the most effective weapon the West can now wield is grass-roots. The impact of Iranian-exile satellite television on the current situation has been profound. By broadcasting the brutality of the clamp-down, these new stations helped force the government into something of a climbdown last week. The Internet has been a critical tool as well. Denied real access to media, many Iranians, especially students, are online. Websites connect them to the outside world, to exiles, and to each other. The blogosphere is exploding in Iran, helping spread information and providing a virtual model for free speech that the mullahs will never be able to excise from the collective memory. If Western governments can help finance some of this, support it and encourage it, the consequences could be enormous.

Meanwhile, the world is watching closely; Iraq is still in the pangs of the birth of democracy; and the mullahs are accelerating their bid for nuclear blackmail. So far, all the signs are highly encouraging and a vindication of the Bush administration's bold goal of remaking the Middle East. But events could still dictate decisions that the White House doesn't want to take until after election day. It may have to revise its plans.

"If you want on or off this Iran ping list, Freepmail me”
38 posted on 07/24/2003 3:05:10 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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...Every dissident movement has told us in retrospect that they were grateful for rhetorical support from the West during the dark periods of repression....

This is why our adminsitration must continue to declare its support for the protest movement in Iran.
39 posted on 07/24/2003 3:26:14 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: DoctorZIn
Excellent Sullivan piece. Thank you.
40 posted on 07/24/2003 3:27:16 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Gabrielle Reilly
Thanks for the response. You've got a great website, I'm enjoying reading it. I am hoping since the 9/11 report obviously has alot in it on the Saudi's, that this country will take the necessary steps towards tearing down the Saudi facade.
41 posted on 07/24/2003 4:52:04 PM PDT by visualops (Ding Dong the Brats are Dead! Which old brats? Saddam's Brats! Ding Dong the Wicked Brats are Dead!)
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Iran Will Pull Out of NPT if Attacked

July 24, 2003

TEHRAN -- A member of Iran's top security body said Tehran would pull out of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) if any of its nuclear facilities came under military attack, a newspaper reported on Thursday.

''Because we have obtained the essential (nuclear) technology, if they attack our facilities, we will withdraw from the NPT,'' the afternoon Kayhan daily quoted Ali Larijani, member of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, as saying.

''If that case arose, our activities would go underground,'' Larijani, who is also head of Iran's state broadcaster IRIB -- a position which is appointed directly by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei -- said in a speech to university lecturers.

Iran insists its nuclear programme is aimed solely at generating electricity.

But U.S. officials have said they believe Iran is covertly trying to develop atomic weapons. Some hardline U.S. think-tanks have said Washington may have to consider military strikes against some of Iran's nuclear facilities to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power.

U.S. and British officials have repeatedly said military action against Iran, which lies between Iraq and Afghanistan, is not being contemplated despite concerns about its nuclear ambitions.

Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said earlier this week Iran had no intention of pulling out of the NPT despite calls from some hardline conservatives in the Islamic Republic to do so.

Iran is under mounting international pressure to agree to tighter U.N. inspections of its nuclear facilities. Iran has said it may agree to the more intrusive, no-notice checks if it is given access to Western technology to advance its nuclear energy programme.
42 posted on 07/24/2003 7:55:22 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Canada denies killing Iranian in retaliation
World News
Jul 24, 2003

MONTREAL - A foreign ministry spokesman denied that an Iranian was killed by Canadian police in retaliation for the beating death of an Iranian-Canadian journalist in Iran.

Ministry spokesman said the young woman was killed while apparently "attacking people with a machete," and that her death should not be compared to to that of Canadian-Iranian journalist Zahra Kazemi, who died in hospital from a blow to the head she received in police custody.
43 posted on 07/24/2003 7:56:50 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: DoctorZIn
Great post. Thanks.

Sullivan needs to do more news talk shows
and get the word out to more people.

That sounds like an email to me.
44 posted on 07/24/2003 8:02:05 PM PDT by nuconvert
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Official: Iran Offers to Return Egyptian Terrorists to Cairo

Thursday, July 24, 2003

CAIRO, Egypt — Iran (search) has offered to hand over several Egyptian militants to Cairo, an Egyptian security official said Thursday.

Iran has said it has a number of Al Qaeda (search) members in custody, including some senior figures and that it will repatriate them to their home countries.

The suspects Iran offered to hand over to Egypt belonged to Islamic Jihad, an extremist group headed by Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden's deputy, Egyptian-born Ayman al-Zawahri (search), said the Egyptian official, speaking on condition of anonymity. Al-Zawahri reportedly brought members of his group into Al Qaeda when he allied with bin Laden.

The official did not name the militants or say how many might be returned.

Iran's Foreign Ministry made the offer to Egyptian authorities last month, but Cairo has not yet officially responded, the official said without elaborating.

Iranian officials in Tehran declined to comment.

U.S. officials have said intelligence suggests senior Al Qaeda figures and associates are inside Iran, including high value operatives such as Egyptian-born Saif al-Adil, believed to be bin Laden's security chief and possibly connected to the May 12 suicide bombings in Riyadh that killed 25 people and nine attackers.

Saif al-Adil, or "Sword of Justice" in Arabic, is believed to be an alias used by Mohammed Ibrahim Mikkawi, an army veteran who left Egypt in the early 1990s, although he is not wanted on criminal charges.

The United States has accused Iran of harboring terrorists and demanded Tehran deport them either to jurisdictions where they're wanted for crimes, or to their home countries.

Iranian Interior Minister Abdolvahed Mousavi Lari told the Arab newspaper Al-Hayat that Iran would not extradite any suspected Al Qaeda detainees to America since "there are no justifications for handing over the citizens of neighboring and friendly countries to [a third] country."

Iran and Egypt have not held full diplomatic relations since 1980, shortly after Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution, but they operate interest sections in either country.

Taking custody of senior Al Qaeda figures could prove problematic for Egypt, which was home to an Islamic insurgency that killed hundreds of people -- mainly police and militants -- in the 1990s. Egypt has not seen any terror attacks since 1997 when militants killed 58 foreign tourists and four Egyptians in Luxor, southern Egypt.

In 1993, Cairo handed over to Washington Mahmoud Abou Halima, an Egyptian wanted in the World Trade Center bombing.

Other Al Qaeda figures U.S. officials have said may be in Iran are Abu Mohamed al-Masri, an Egyptian linked to the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings in East Africa; Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian who Washington alleges was a link between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein; and Saudi-born bin Laden's son, Saad.,2933,92887,00.html
45 posted on 07/24/2003 10:19:03 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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This Thread is now closed.

Join Us at the Iranian Alert -- DAY 46 -- LIVE THREAD PING LIST

Live Thread Ping List | 7.25.2003 | DoctorZIn

"If you want on or off this Iran ping list, Freepmail me”

46 posted on 07/25/2003 12:02:09 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: visualops
Thank you. :)
47 posted on 07/25/2003 4:28:34 AM PDT by Gabrielle Reilly
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To: DoctorZIn
Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom !
48 posted on 07/25/2003 4:29:24 AM PDT by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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