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Iranian Alert -- August 1, 2003 -- LIVE THREAD PING LIST
The Iranian Student Movement Up To The Minute Reports ^ | 8.1.2003 | DoctorZin

Posted on 08/01/2003 12:01:59 AM PDT by DoctorZIn

The regime is working hard to keep the news about the protest movment in Iran from being reported.

From jamming satellite broadcasts, to prohibiting news reporters from covering any demonstrations to shutting down all cell phones and even hiring foreign security to control the population, the regime is doing everything in its power to keep the popular movement from expressing its demand for an end of the regime.

These efforts by the regime, while successful in the short term, do not resolve the fundamental reasons why this regime is crumbling from within.

Iran is a country ready for a regime change. If you follow this thread you will witness, I believe, the transformation of a nation. This daily thread provides a central place where those interested in the events in Iran can find the best news and commentary.

Please continue to join us here, post your news stories and comments to this thread.

Thanks for all the help.

DoctorZin


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1 posted on 08/01/2003 12:01:59 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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2 posted on 08/01/2003 12:02:22 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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White House: No talks with Iran on prisoner swap

Friday, August 1, 2003 Posted: 2:05 AM EDT (0605 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House on Thursday denied a report that talks are being held between the United States and Iran on a possible exchange of senior al Qaeda figures in Iran for U.S.-held members of an anti-Iran terror group.

The report about the possible talks first appeared on NBC.

The United States has "communicated to Iran the importance of turning over senior members of al Qaeda," a senior Bush administration official said. "No quid pro quo, no negotiations, no exchange."

The report said the possible exchange may involve members of the Mujahedin-e-Khalq Organization (MEK), who struck a deal with U.S. troops in Iraq during the war for a cease-fire, following a series of clashes between coalition troops and MEK fighters.

The group, also known as the People's Mujahedin, is dedicated to the overthrow of Iran's Islamic fundamentalist regime and is classified by the U.S. government as an international terrorist group.

The MEK was backed by former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, and he allowed it to carry out training activities in his country. The group's aim is to replace Iran's religious government with democratically elected leadership.

Last week, U.S. officials said four top al Qaeda leaders -- including the terrorist group's military leader and its spokesman -- were in custody in Iran.

Iran Intelligence Minister Ali Yunesi confirmed reports that had been circulating for weeks, saying that his country was holding what he said was a "large number" of al Qaeda members, but he would not name them.

U.S. officials said those in custody included Saif Al Adel, al Qaeda's military chief, and Suleiman Abu Ghaith, along with two other al Qaeda members.

Saif Al Adel is wanted in connection with the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in east Africa.

Yunesi last week left open the possibility that Iran could be "ready to extradite some" of the suspected terrorists to other countries, while others would likely stand trial in Iran.

In the wake of the May 12 suicide attacks against several Western housing compounds in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, some in the Bush administration have accused Iran of deliberately harboring al Qaeda terrorists who may have been involved in planning those attacks.

The U.S. State Department called Iran "the most active state sponsor of terrorism" in 2002, accusing Tehran of supporting Palestinian and central Asian militant groups and having a "mixed" record regarding al Qaeda.

"While it has detained and turned over to foreign governments a number of al Qaeda members, other al Qaeda members have found virtual safe haven there," the department's most recent report on global terrorism concluded.

-- CNN Correspondent Chris Burns contributed to this report.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/08/01/us.iran.qaeda/
3 posted on 08/01/2003 12:06:54 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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White House: No talks with Iran on prisoner swap

Friday, August 1, 2003 Posted: 2:05 AM EDT (0605 GMT)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/956243/posts?page=3#3

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4 posted on 08/01/2003 12:08:38 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Another "Must Read" by Amir Taheri. -- DoctorZin

TEHRAN'S TIPPING POINT

By AMIR TAHERI

August 1, 2003 -- WHEN President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair met in Washington last month, Iran featured prominently in their attention during a tour d'horizon of what is still a dangerous part of the world.
No one quite knows how long it will take before Iraq has a working government based on pluralism and committed to peace. But one thing is certain: With Saddam Hussein gone, Iraq has a chance to build a new life fit for its people while developing normal relations with the rest of the world.

Iran, however, is in a state of uncertainty.

On the one hand, there are powerful domestic forces that could lead Iran onto a new path of reconstruction and peaceful coexistence with the outside world. On the other, there are other forces, their power augmented by their control of the state apparatus and much of the oil revenue, that still pursue the messianic dream of exporting their revolution and conquering the whole world for their pseudo-ideology.

The question for the outside world is: How to deal with this dual reality?

With Iraq liberated, the policy of "double containment" no longer makes sense. Containing Iran is no longer enough. Iran must be engaged, either diplomatically or with a mixture of diplomacy and military force, in order to alter its current trajectory. For if that trajectory is not altered it is bound, sooner or later, to lead into open conflict between Iran and the United States and its allies.

The idea that Iran could be isolated is a non-starter. Iran has 16 neighbors, the largest number for any single country with the exception of Russia.

Iran is located between the Persian Gulf and the Caspian Basin that, together, contain some 70 percent of the world's known oil reserves and almost 60 percent of its natural gas. On each side, only one country separates Iran from the three continents of Europe, Asia and Africa. Iran is also one of the world's 20 largest and most populous countries.

Nearly half of mankind are Iran's immediate or near neighbors. Iran's neighborhood includes five nuclear powers. In that neighborhood live many of the world's great ethnic and cultural families, the Han, the Altaic, the Indo-Dravidian, the Arab, the Turk and the Slav, among others. Directly or indirectly, Iran is involved in more than half of the 22 "current active conflicts" enumerated by the International Crisis Group.

Iran is significant for another reason. Along with Turkey and Egypt it has had a leadership role in the Islamic world for centuries. With Turkey now looking to Europe and Egypt unable to forge a synthesis of its Islamic heritage and its modernizing ambitions, Iran is left as the only major country where Islam could still develop in both positive and negative ways.

For the past quarter of a century, the Iranian experiment has been a model for many Muslims and a warning to many more. That situation is likely to continue as Iran enters a new phase in its political development.

Now that we know that Iran cannot be ignored or isolated the question is: What to do about it?

One answer is: Do nothing.

This would mean letting the Iranians fight it out among themselves until they can create a coherent government capable of developing a national strategy.

Here the danger is that the "exporters of the revolution," who control the nation's wealth and the coercive forces of the state, might eliminate their opponents and establish a tyranny akin to that of North Korea or of Iraq under Saddam Hussein. That would mean letting a dangerous regime acquire nuclear weapons, and build up its arsenal of other weapons of mass destruction, if only for blackmailing real or imagined foes in the region and beyond.

Another answer is to seek a détente-like deal with the hardline faction. That would defuse the situation, at least for a while, but would also prolong the life of a regime that is now in deep, and possibly terminal, crisis.

Yet another answer is to engage the hard-line faction into negotiations aimed at addressing its grievances, allaying its fears and ultimately persuading it to accept a set of changes in its behavior. But that could be seen by the pro-democracy movement as an act of betrayal and might well be construed by the hard-line Khomeinists as a sign of weakness on the part of the major democracies.

According to our sources, Britain favors engaging Tehran in a process of negotiations.

British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has visited Tehran four times in just over a year and believes that the hard-line mullahs understand the language of realpolitik and that, if assured that the West is not trying to overthrow them, will play the game.

There are also signs that the Bush administration, while keeping the option of using force open, may be tilting toward the British position. Mounting domestic opposition to American involvement in Iraq may well be one factor in persuading Bush not to turn the heat on Iran before the next U.S. presidential election.

The British analysis may be correct as far as short-term considerations are concerned. The Iranian regime is in deep trouble and would agree to largely cosmetic changes in order to ease the pressure. In the medium- and long-term, however, the British analysis misses the central point: The present Iranian system is an anomaly and will have to change.

We are only at the start of what could become known as the great Iranian crisis.

E-mail: amirtaheri@

benadorassociates.com

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/2081.htm
5 posted on 08/01/2003 12:23:32 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Another "Must Read" by Amir Taheri. -- DoctorZin

TEHRAN'S TIPPING POINT
By AMIR TAHERI

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/956243/posts?page=5#5

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6 posted on 08/01/2003 12:25:23 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: DoctorZIn
Here's to hoping that the regime's crisis is "deep and terminal" like the writer suggests it could be.
7 posted on 08/01/2003 12:29:55 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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Moderate breakthrough

August 1

It had to take the death of an Iranian-Canadian journalist for the reformists in Iran to score a minor victory against hardliners.

The authorities now admit that Zahra Kazemi, who died in police custody on July 10, was murdered. Kazemi, who lived in Montreal, was detained by the Revolutionary Guards for taking photographs of student demonstrations in Teheran and died under mysterious circumstances, although the government blamed her death on head injuries "caused by an accident". It was an uncharacteristic move for Iran's Vice-President Mohammed Ali Abtahi to come out openly, as he did last Wednesday, and admit that Kazemi was murdered. This suggests a moral victory, however tenuous, for moderates like President Mohammad Khatami and the reformist MPs who dominate Parliament.

That said, as long as the real war for democracy against the entrenched hardliners remains to be waged, Kazemi's death would be in vain. The Islamic republic has all the trappings of a democracy: a Constitution, political factions and local and parliamentary elections. Even women are empowered to vote and stand for election. So what's keeping democracy at bay, despite widespread disaffection with the clergy-inspired repressive policies? It's the fact that real power remains with the clerics under Ayatollah Khamenei.

President Khatami and his reformist allies are in a helpless position, therefore, despite enjoying popular support. Besides, they have yet to win over former President Hashemi Rafsanjani's powerful centrist faction to their side. As a result, the contest is still on between Mr Khatami's modernist ideas of an 'Islamic civil society' and the conservative clergy who condemn western-style democracy. As Iran's political experimentation goes on, there may be more tragedies like Kazemi's murder.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_326161,0012.htm
8 posted on 08/01/2003 12:32:39 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Moderate breakthrough

August 1, 2003

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_326161,0012.htm

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9 posted on 08/01/2003 12:35:34 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Iran 'doubling rewards for suicide attacks'

WASHINGTON - Israeli officials say new intelligence suggests that Iran is offering US$50,000 (S$88,000) to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers - double the amount paid by Saddam Hussein when he was Iraqi president.

Painting a bigger picture, the officials said that there was also growing evidence that Iran was stepping up support for Palestinian militants following the US-led war in Iraq.

In addition, Teheran was accelerating efforts to develop nuclear weapons that could strike Israel and other US allies in the region, they told Washington.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon raised the issues during his White House meeting with US President George W. Bush.

The US leader had warned a week earlier that Iran and Syria would be 'held accountable' if they supported terrorism.

Said one official: 'There are concerns both in Jerusalem and in Washington.'

Israeli officials say new intelligence points to Iran filling the void left by Iraq in supporting militant groups including Hamas and Hizbollah, adding that it was actively trying to undercut a month-old ceasefire.

'It must be made clear to these countries that their evil deeds cannot continue,' Mr Sharon said at a joint news conference with Mr Bush.

Mr Bush did not mention Iran or Syria, but National Security Council spokesman Sean McCormack said: 'Both Iran and Syria need to make a fundamental choice about the war on terrorism and to stop harbouring and supporting terrorists and terrorist networks.'

In building support for the war in Iraq, Mr Bush cited Saddam's support for Palestinian militants.

Said one Israeli official involved in the talks: 'We also know specifically of Iranian involvement, through Hizbollah and other groups, to undermine Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas and to encourage terrorism... and undermine the ceasefire.' -- Reuters

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/world/story/0,4386,202427,00.html
10 posted on 08/01/2003 12:38:20 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Iran 'doubling rewards for suicide attacks'

WASHINGTON 8.1.2003

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/956243/posts?page=10#10

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11 posted on 08/01/2003 12:43:04 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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An important update on the jamming of the satellite broadcasts into Iran. -- DoctorZin

The Power of the Dish and the War of Ideas

By Nir T. Boms
FrontPageMagazine.com | August 1, 2003

On March of 2003, Zia Atabi, a former Iranian rock star placed a small satellite dish on the roof of a former pornographic studio in one of Los Angeles neighborhoods and began broadcasting.

Atabi, formally known as the "Tom Jones of Iran” escaped his homeland shortly after 1979 and found refuge in California, where approximately 600,000 ex-Iranian patriots live today. As is common in many ethnic groups in the United States, The Iranian community enhanced its local cultural activities. Zia, contributed support to his community’s cultural needs by borrowing some money from his wife, and launching a Farsi satellite station. He called it NITV (The National Iranian Television Network) since he wanted to stress its non-partisan nature to his ex-patriot community. The station began airing some old films, music and eventually news and original programs. Few days later he received his first telephone call from Teheran The Iranians on the line were exhilarated, telling him how excited they were to finally see programming that has been banned in Iran for over two decades. This caught Zia by surprise... “What do you mean? ” he asked.... “I am not even broadcasting to Iran!”. Well, He wasn’t. But someone in the satellite dispatch station pushed a button that opened an additional link that quickly went across the ocean. The Iranian regime had feared an American invasion, but did not prepare for an intrusion that entered 300 new homes every single day.

According to Zia, approximately 25 million Iranians who encompass a third of the population have up until now, viewed NITV. It has created a culture around it. Since private satellite dishes are expensive (and not to mention, illegal), the programs are often recorded and distributed to the public on VHS tapes and via the Internet, often bringing large local crowds together for a private screening. Zia was quickly able to set a satellite link to other centers of Farsi speaking communities like those in Pakistan, Azerbaijan, and Bahrain. The channel was received in the Middle East, Europe, the Persian Gulf, South America, and even Australia adding millions of viewers.

“We tell the Iranian about Gandhi and Nehru in India”. Says Zia “We broadcast programs about the iron curtain and about the fall of the Soviet Union. In the aftermath of the 9/11 terror attacks, I asked young Iranians to show solidarity with America. The world must understand that the Iranian people do not stand for the terrorists. Using my channel, I asked that they take to the streets and they did. The images of students in the streets of Teheran were broadcasted all over the world”. Ali Dean, an Iranian comedian, known for impersonating ayatollahs was hired by Zia. Ali successfully recreated the popular 1980’s British show “Spitting Image”. The difference was that instead of puppets in the spitting image of Margaret Thatcher and Neil Kinnock, the Farsi speaking community was watching deformed puppets in the image of Mullahs. NITV began fighting the Iranian theocracy by revealing its leaders true faces.

Following NITV’s example, other Farsi news channels begun beaming their way to Iran. Among these are private channels like Azadi TV and Channel One TV, one of the fastest growing Los Angeles-based Farsi TV stations, and government sponsors channels such as Voice Of America and Radio Farda, a 24 hours U.S.- run radio service in Farsi.

In response to this new wave of streaming information, the Mullahs of Iran launched their counter attack. Private ownership of satellite dishes has long been illegal in Iran and is a punishable offence. Armed with government microwave trucks designed to jam satellite signals and help locate the satellite dishes themselves, the Mullahs unleashed the revolutionary guards in the urban and rural parts of the country. Hashemi Rafsanjani, the former, very influential Iranian president, ordered an early end to the academic year in order to avoid the forth commemoration of the first wave of student riots July 9th 1999. Iran also reached out to its allies for help. Only a few weeks ago, intelligent sources reported a secret visit to Cuba by Moshen Hashemi, the son of Mullah Rafsanjani. The details of the visit remain on unknown, however by July 4th, 5 days before the anticipated July 9th anniversary, Cuban satellite jamming systems were successful in blocking Parsh TV, Azadi TV, VOA, and NITV broadcasts into Iran. The jamming signal is thought to have come from a monitoring complex outside Havana, a facility built by the Soviet Union to eavesdrop on the United States during the cold war.

Though the Mullahs have been temporarily successful in their efforts to turn off the waves of freedom, Zia believes that the power of the dish has been unleashed and will not be forgotten. He tells me that when Iranian students, Arrested by the republican guard, come out of jail, they immediately call his station. They play a crucial role giving information on the evolving situation on the ground. In turn, Zia promises to send them the new satellite frequencies that will be in use.

Unfortunately, finding alternative ways of reaching the audience in Iran becomes an increasingly difficult task.

Kourosh Abbassi , a spokesperson for Azadi Television, says that they tried changing the satellite frequencies but "within minutes" the new ones were blocked. The task of locating these broadcasts on the satellite dial becomes increasingly more difficult. “The morale is so low here”, adds Mr. Abbassi, as he notes over 2000 responses received from supporter’s in Iran; "Technically if they can do it to us, they can do it to anyone, even to CNN."

On June 28th, Iranian students took to the streets by the thousands - and they are still in the streets today. According to government reports, 4000 of them were arrested (although the actual number is estimated at 10,000), many with the use of excessive force. Some of the Television and Radio stations were able to find alternative ways to reach their audience using short wave, the internet, and telephones. Alireza Morovati, an anchor for Voice of Iran radio station told me that the students were coordinating their activities on the air: “Someone from Shiraz was talking with someone from Teheran, telling them about the demonstration and the riots. Teheran and Shiraz were connected only via Los Angeles” It seems that the battle over the power of the dish is reaching a climax. “Our mission is to bring the voice of freedom to Iran” says Morovati and sometime all it takes is one small dish.

Nir Boms is the Vice President of the Washington based Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9168
12 posted on 08/01/2003 1:45:13 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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An important update on the jamming of the satellite broadcasts into Iran. -- DoctorZin

The Power of the Dish and the War of Ideas

By Nir T. Boms
FrontPageMagazine.com | August 1, 2003

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/956243/posts?page=12#12
13 posted on 08/01/2003 1:47:05 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Good update.

Let's print this again later today in case people miss the beginning of the Thread.
14 posted on 08/01/2003 6:10:31 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: DoctorZIn
Thank you for the update.
The earlier Taheri article was excellent, as well.
15 posted on 08/01/2003 9:31:39 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("The Prez is as focused as a doberman on a hambone!"---Dennis Miller)
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"...In the aftermath of the 9/11 terror attacks, I asked young Iranians to show solidarity with America. The world must understand that the Iranian people do not stand for the terrorists. Using my channel, I asked that they take to the streets and they did. The images of students in the streets of Teheran were broadcasted all over the world”.

I think that should be emphasized, not necessarily for those who regularly contribute to this thread, but for the average American who doesn't understand that the symbol of America is not always negative. We remember seeing people all over the world express their solidarity with us.

And even in the places where there is little light, people understood the threat to America. The liberties that we enjoy so easily, were threatened on that day. And even in places where the people are suppressed into silence, the people reacted with compassion. We are still the beacon of hope that can unite people in the darkest of places.

16 posted on 08/01/2003 9:55:52 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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Absolutely.
The Iranian people are much more supportive of the US and the Bush administration than the US media. Once free they will be one of our greatest friends in the Middle East. We need to make sure that American's understand this.
17 posted on 08/01/2003 10:29:36 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Thanks for the pings. You're doing a great job bringing light to an important topic.
18 posted on 08/01/2003 11:06:07 AM PDT by GOPJ
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030801/wl_mideast_afp/iran_us_iraq_nuclear_030801130406

TEHRAN (AFP) - The United States is being dragged into a new Vietnam War in Iraq (news - web sites), former Iranian president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani told worshippers at the main weekly Muslim prayers.

"They themselves freely admit that groups of Arab fighters are entering Iraq from Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia or Turkey to make war against them," said Rafsanjani, who remains a powerful figure within the Islamic regime.

"They themselves say they've become a punchbag for anyone who wants to have a go at them. The nightmare of Vietnam is rearing its head again for the Americans," he said.

Asked who was behind the spate of guerrilla attacks which have killed 52 US soldiers since Washington declared major combat over on May 1, coalition ground forces commander Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez said a whole host of groups, "probably" including Osama Bin laden (news - web sites)'s al-Qaeda network were involved.

"As long as Americans are here, people will come to attack them -- just like they're trying to attack American interests around the world," the US general told reporters in Baghdad Thursday.

Rafsanjani said he detected an easing of US policy towards Iran since the collapse of a wave of student protests in June which the Islamic regime blames on US agitation.

Only a "handful of good-for-nothings" had taken part in the 10 days of protests, "dashing the White House's hopes" of the overthrow of the Islamic regime and showing that US calls for change had no credibility among Iranians, he said.

"Very quickly (the Americans) changed their tone and (President George W.) Bush announced he could solve differences with Iran peacefully."

Rafsanjani said Tehran was unfazed by the twists and turns in US policy and intended to continue its "longstanding policy of detente".

He reiterated the regime's insistence that its nuclear programme is for civil purposes only, despite the atomic arsenals maintained in the region by India, Israel, Pakistan and Russia.

"We are not adventurists, we are not seeking nuclear weapons, but we will not accept any blackmail," he said, in reference to massive international pressure on the regime to sign an additional protocol of the Non-Proliferation Treaty permitting no-notice inspections of its nuclear facilities.




19 posted on 08/01/2003 11:25:17 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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..."Very quickly (the Americans) changed their tone and (President George W.) Bush announced he could solve differences with Iran peacefully." ...

More dis-information from the regime.
They say these things to confuse the Iranian people about US intentions. The people of Iran fear that the US will follow Britians lead and negotiate a deal with the Mullahs, selling out the people of Iran.

Fortunately, Bush consistently speaks of his support for the people of Iran as opposed to the regime. This is reported in the US media but not enough to clear up the confusion for the people of Iran.
20 posted on 08/01/2003 12:58:01 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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A Response to Mr. Rafsanjani's Diatribes

SMCCDI (Public Statement)
Aug 1, 2003

Mr. Rafsanjani personifies everything that is vile and is reviled about the Mullahs and the brutal theocratic regime that has occupied Iran for the last twenty-four years!

On July 28, 2003, Radio Free Europe, under the headline: “Rafsanjani Reportedly in Secret Talks with U.S.,” quoting “Al-Sharq al-Awsat,” reported that: “On 23 July Iranian and American officials met on the sidelines of a recent seminar in London on ‘Investment Opportunities in Iran’ that was organized by the Royal Institute for International Affairs.”

“Representing the Iranian side were individuals acting as envoys of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and Expediency Council Chairman Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani. The Iranian envoys tried to convey the impression that only Hashemi-Rafsanjani can secure acceptance of Washington's demands, and this would be done in exchange for U.S. backing of Rafsanjani's bid for the 2005 presidential election. The U.S. side -- reportedly represented by an unofficial White House envoy named Kurt Wilden, an anonymous American ‘close to national security adviser Condoleezza Rice,’ and an anonymous ‘senior U.S. intelligence officer’ -- was unenthusiastic about the offer and about such secret dialogues.”

While we cannot independently verify the veracity of the report, we are extremely disappointed and particularly perplexed. We are disillusioned by even the occurrence of such meetings, and we are, indeed, puzzled: Since the United States has recognized the Regime for the terrorist that it is, why even pursue such “secret dialogues?” Yet, we are heartened by what is reported about the ‘unenthusiastic’ attitude of the American side. At the same time, we instantly recognize the modus operandi of the infamous traitor Mr. Rafsanjani and the entire gang of the Mullahs: To preserve their hold on power, they would do anything! Moreover, such reports further highlight, and expose to the world, what is so familiar to us, the cunning and corrupt, treacherous and repugnant character of the notorious Mr. Rafsanjani!

The original purpose of this article is, primarily, a direct response to Mr. Rafsanjani’s recent diatribes and those who have steadfastly supported him and the Islamic Republic. However, we suggest that Mr. Wilden, and others who are contemplating future “secret dialogues” with the Islamic Republic, to heed and pay close attention to the sentiments of the Iranian people regarding Mr. Rafsanjani; for, without a doubt, he is the single most despicable of all the Mullahs in the brutal theocratic regime that has occupied Iran for the last twenty-four years!

In general, during the last two decades, we have refrained from dignifying the drivels and diatribes of Mr. Rafsanjani or his benefactors and ardent supporters like Mr. Gary Sick by a direct response. Our integrity prevents us from so doing. Sadly, we have learned that, by ignoring them, at the expense of Iran and Iranians, the world has been kept in the dark about the true nature of this barbaric and brutal regime.

Throughout these years, every effort has been made by many to cover the atrocities of the Islamic Republic; apparently, it was deemed necessary to enable these traitors, this Regime, to accomplish their mission. Thanks to them, their masters continue to pursue and achieve what they set out to do, and their servants, those terrorists of Hezbollah and Palestine, line their pockets with the riches of Iran!

We will not remain silent anymore! No, no more, absolutely, no more! Unfortunately Iran continues to be occupied by this loathsome gang of corrupt Mullahs and Iranians for too long have been silenced and silent! It has been twenty-four years! We have paid dearly, with our blood and treasure! No more!

The ignorant Mullahs of the Islamic Republic spout nonsense and their paid agents or self-proclaimed patrons like Mr. Sick make every effort to sanitize their utterance and present it to the world trying desperately to portray them as humans. Yet, their stench is so foul that even their masters and supporters cannot flush any more!

Faced with this repulsive regime, we have learned that we cannot continue to simply uphold the moral high ground and not defend ourselves. Since it is impossible to raise this abhorrent and corrupt theocracy to a decent human level, regrettably, we are forced to stoop to their level. Since we are pushed into such a predicament, for the liberation of Iran and for the sake of our nation, for our blessed motherland, if we have to lower ourselves to their level, so be it! So be it!

Iran is occupied and we are a nation under siege. We need to defend ourselves!
Strategically, it is believed that, the best defense is a good offense and, furthermore, the best offense is a relentless one. So, we mean to be and shall be relentless. Silent and silence no more!

And relentless we shall be! Unyielding we will be! This we promise, we will silence Mr. Rafsanjani forever!

Mr. Rafsanjani personifies everything that is vile and is reviled about the Mullahs. When, recently, “Forbes Magazine” published their article, under the title of “Millionaire Mullahs,” they had Rafsanjani’s photo on the cover. Perhaps, because they, too, found that he is the greediest of all the Islamic Regime’s clerics. Yet, inadvertently, they have presented the poster-child for what the Iranians refer to as “Akhoond,” the Persian word for Mullah. In fact, it is an excellent choice; for, no Mullah is more contemptible than Rafsanjani, and none epitomizes best those special traits and characteristics that are so unique to the breed of the Mullahs!

Yet, Mr. Gary Sick, former U.S. National Security Council staff member and Columbia University professor had previously declared Mr. Rafsanjani as “a highly popular figure.” This supposed eminent scholar on Iran doesn’t even know that for Iranians Mr.
Rafsanjani is not only the most despised man but also the most despicable “Akhoond.” For those familiar with Iranian culture this should speak volumes. Evidently Mr. Sick is clueless!

To him we say, Professor Sick, as a scholar on Iran, this rich and ancient civilization, you must know the connotations that the word, “Akhoond” evokes for the Iranians, if not, permit us to be your teacher and educate you about the adjectives that the word denotes: Corrupt, cunning, craven, greedy, pervert, parasite, illiterate, loud-mouth, long-winded and deceitful are just a few among many others!

Since their advent, throughout Iran’s history, the breed of Mullahs has always been the instrument of foreign powers and the root of backwardness of the country. Through them absolute pillage and plunder of the nation’s riches are assured and ignorance of the masses is guaranteed.

For those of you who are not familiar with Mr. Sick, he is previously from the State Department and National Security Council specialist on Iran during the Carter Administration. It is said that the “Islamization” of Iran was his brainchild. He fervently believed that Iran is more of an Islamic country than a nationalist nation. The inept foreign policies of the Carter Administration, most probably with the advise of Mr. Sick, handed Iran to these terrorists and thus the total destruction and ruination of the land.

Mr. Sick consistently justifies the brutal Islamic Regime and tries desperately to humanize it. Sometime ago, in another one of his ‘educated’ comments he declared Khatami to be “a reformer with an outspoken commitment to civil society, social justice, the rule of law and expanded freedom.” Mr. Khatami! The same Mr. Khatami, that incompetent, ignorant, ineffective and discredited charlatan and the plagiarist to boot!

And more often than not, as if on cue, thousands of miles away, what Rafsanjani and his ilk proclaim, Mr. Sick reverberates. When the Mullahs in Iran called the courageous students, who bear the brunt of the wrath of the Regime, “Hooligans,” Mr. Sick referred to them as: “a rag-tag bunch.”

Mr. Sick, “rag-tag bunch” is that bunch of criminals you supported and helped put in power, the ignorant and corrupt Mullahs of your envisioned “Islamic Republic.”

Mr. Sick, from the start, every observation, every assessment, every evaluation, every comment you have made in reference to Iran and your Mullahs is off the mark; not even close! As a renowned scholar and an educator on Iran are you that ignorant about the country or your arrogance prevents you from admitting how uninformed you have been all along? Mr. Sick, give it up! Mr. Sick, nobody, could justify what this evil regime has done. Not even you!

This is the man who is the acting director of the Middle East Institute and a professor at one of the most prestigious universities in the world and most probably is educating the present and future Foreign Service Officers of the United States as specialists on Iran. Any wonder United States’ foreign policy regarding Iran is always so incoherent and incompetent? Look who is the teacher!

After the outpouring of the latest demonstrations by the students and the freedom-loving Iranians, apparently, Mr. Rafsanjani, in one of his most recent “Friday Sermons,” aka, “Friday Circus,” had the impertinence and the insolence to claim and boast: “The regime did not even have to resort to a massive eight million-strong Basij force or even the Pasdaran.”

Mr. Rafsanjani, indubitably, Iranians know your Basiji and the Pasdaran up close and personal. They are their torturers and slayers. The same Basiji and Pasdaran that are the treasonous and paid Iranians or the hired foreign terrorist and mercenaries, the backbone of the Islamic Republic; the very assassins and murderers that you and the regime unleash on the students and the nation!

Through his shameless hubris, by his sheer stupidity and in his own twisted words, Mr. Rafsanjani unwittingly is admitting that in order to survive the Regime has to resort to the brutality of its hired terrorists. How ironic, indeed! Mr. Rafsanjani, by such statements you have confessed and reiterated what Iranians have been screaming for two decades: That the only way the regime survives and controls the oppressed masses is through fear and brute force executed by the hired domestic and foreign terrorists!

Furthermore, Rafsanjani continued his gibberish and cautioned the students and the young people “not to be deceived” and be “more alert and careful and cause no more trouble for the Iranian nation.”

Mr. Rafsanjani, you, you speak of others’ deception? You are the master of chicanery and fraud! Those young students are wise to your deceptions and will “not be deceived” by you any longer. Your charades and trickery of diverting the havoc you have wreaked by inventing foreign schemes and foes doesn’t cut it any more. Iranians know full well that the only foreign conspiracy is the entire occupying bunch of criminals of the Islamic Republic and its alien terrorists!

As for the mention of our beloved Iran, Mr. Rafsanjani, we warn you; we forbid you, you, along with the rest of the gang of traitors, don’t you dare, never again utter or make any reference to the sacred and blessed land of “Iran” or “Iranian nation.” You are not worthy of the name Iran. Just refer to yourselves as who and what you are: the Islamists terrorists that you have named “Islamic Republic.” You are an occupying gang of mobsters and the name Iran is too hallowed to even be whispered by you traitors!

To top it all, Rafsanjani, with his usual foul mouth, had referred to those brave students fighting for their nation, freedom, honor and dignity as “Cowardly.” Now, we will maintain our decorum and merely say: Mr. Rafsanjani, you carry the biggest disgrace, anyone can ever bestow upon you, in your own title: Whether you are called Ayatollah or Mullah, you are an “Akhoond.” In Persian, there has never been, and, especially now, never will be a greater insult than that!

Having said that, we feel compelled to address you more directly and add: Mr. Rafsanjani, you pathetic gutless wonder, you spineless terrorists, from the first moment Iran was handed to you, everyone of you, every Mullah and his filthy brood, you have been walking around surrounded by a corps of bodyguards and arms. Never before in the history of our land government officials ever had one single bodyguard. It is you, the occupying gang, out of fear for your miserable lives that have to resort to such schemes. Even after twenty-four years, not only you don’t feel any safer, nowadays, a private army and militia encircle every single one of you. And, you have the gall to call those courageous students, who are facing your armed assassins with their bare hands, cowards?

Mr. Rafsanjani, we will silence you!

Twenty-four years ago, out of their own miserable weaknesses and inferiorities, echoing the leader of their Islamic Republic, Mr. Rafsanjani was among the first to declare and claim that the reason Islam finds it necessary for women to cover their hair is that the reflection of the light on the locks of women causes the opposite sex discomfort!

The world has moved on into the twenty-first century; in the last century mankind walked on the moon and landed safely back on earth, the genetic code was cracked, but, alas, in our cultured land, in one of the cradles of civilization, these perverts, calling themselves “Islamic Republic,” are lamenting about their discomfort caused by the reflection of the light on the female tresses!!

Can’t you hear our mournful screams? This is the nature and character of this deformed, twisted, barbaric and brutal regime that has kept Iran in its grip. This is what we are facing! This is what we have to contend with!

They have shamed us, they have humiliated a nation, and we shout again and yet again: The decent and cultured Iranian nation is not to be confused with these sick demented Islamists monsters!

Mr. Sick, are you honestly that ignorant about these perverts? Or, do you just refuse to see and admit how sick and depraved they are? Or, do you even recognize it? Perhaps, you even find them normal!

We promise this, we will prevail! We will silence them!

In deference and with admiration for the beloved and brave women of Iran, the “lionesses” of the land of Arya, it is only befitting that, when the time comes, they would implement the verdict they have envisioned and exact the appropriate punishment for these perverts--a dose of their own medicine:

Rafsanjani wrapped in a veil paraded for the entire world to observe while Iranian women with their beautiful almond eyes, their long tresses blowing in the wind, and shining in the light while diffusing the rays, blinding the eyes of those degenerate Mullahs, one by one with their fists would smack him right in the mouth!

Their tight fists clenched with national pride, steeled by their fury, and in the name of their fallen heroes, their murdered sons, daughters, sisters, brothers and mates will silence Mr. Rafsanjani forever!

The "Student Movement Coordination Committee for Democracy in Iran" (SMCCDI)

http://www.daneshjoo.org/generalnews/article/publish/article_1513.shtml
21 posted on 08/01/2003 1:00:30 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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A Response to Mr. Rafsanjani's Diatribes

SMCCDI (Public Statement)
Aug 1, 2003

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/956243/posts?page=21#21

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22 posted on 08/01/2003 1:02:01 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Wow! Great rant!

They didnt pull any punches, did they...
23 posted on 08/01/2003 1:11:06 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("The Prez is as focused as a doberman on a hambone!"---Dennis Miller)
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To: DoctorZIn
I'd like to give this Mr. Sick (and what a fitting name) a piece of my mind, too!

24 posted on 08/01/2003 1:11:52 PM PDT by nuconvert
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"The U.S. side -- reportedly represented by an unofficial White House envoy named Kurt Wilden, an anonymous American ‘close to national security adviser Condoleezza Rice,’ and an anonymous ‘senior U.S. intelligence officer’ -- was unenthusiastic about the offer and about such secret dialogues.”

I'm not convinced this occurred. But obviously the U.S. wasn't very interested to begin with. Look at the level of people who were there. (supposedly). I think the students are overreacting on this point. (something I never do)(pfft)
25 posted on 08/01/2003 1:25:54 PM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
I'm not convinced this occurred.

I anticipate that the meeting took place, and that the main questions were the nukes and al Qaeda. Expect some more rattling until there will be a behind-the-scene agreement on these two issues.
26 posted on 08/01/2003 1:58:55 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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VOLUNTEER MILITIA SEEN AS KEY TO FUTURE POWER STRUGGLE IN IRAN

Ardeshir Moaven
A EurasiaNet Commentary
EURASIA INSIGHT August 1, 2003

Iran’s myriad social and economic problems are growing worse in large part because of the country’s contradictory political system, in which unelected conservative-leaning bodies can overrule moves made by the executive and legislative branches of government. Some conservatives, whose political fortunes have been on the rise for several years, now believe they have found a possible ally needed to defeat their reformist rivals – the Basij militia.

Conservatives have a two-tiered strategy to achieve victory in the ongoing power struggle, according to several reform-minded observers. One approach they characterize as "soft" and the other "hard." The soft approach relies on continued voter apathy, as seen in the recent municipal elections [For background see the Eurasia Insight archive]. Conservatives believe that low voter turnout in parliamentary elections could pave the way for ballot-box successes that leave them in control of the legislature.

At the same time, conservatives feel they need a force capable of handling tough tasks, including containing demonstrations and other expressions of discontent. That’s where the Basij militia comes in. The Basij militia, which emerged shortly after 1979’s Islamic revolution, now comprises as many as a million members. The group recruits disaffected or dispossessed youth from schools, neighborhoods, workplaces and villages; members receive training in small-arms combat from conservative agencies. In 1992, parliament formally authorized the Basij to enforce moral codes in the streets. While reformists in President Mohammed Khatami’s administration have tried to promote more transparent policing, they have never rebuked the Basij.

So far the conservatives’ soft approach seems to be going relatively well. Conservatives view the current disorganization within the reformist camp as providing an opportunity for a political rout. Accordingly, conservatives are intensifying direct pressure on reformists. Mohamed Reza Khatami, deputy head of the parliament (and the president’s brother), has confirmed that "Parallel Security Centers" have embarked on creating large files on leading reformist activists for the purpose of prosecution.

A foundation is also being prepared for a conservative comeback at the polls. The Council of Guardians – a conservative body that vets political candidates – has successfully stalled two bills that President Khatami proposed in September 2002, which could open elections to more candidates. [For background see the Eurasia Insight archives]. Many observers expect that reformists will effectively be barred from parliamentary elections this winter. According to these people, conservatives will issue their own slate of economic and social reforms and may loosen some stringent rules.

While hoping for electoral triumph, conservatives are concurrently preparing for tough action. Indeed, many conservatives consider the threat of instability to be very real. Such instability could arise from several sources, including a pressure campaign mounted by the United States. Some believe unrest could be triggered by another episode like the death of Zahra Kazemi, a Canadian-Iranian photojournalist who suffered a fatal brain hemorrhage after guards detained her for taking pictures of protests outside a large Tehran prison. [For additional information see the Eurasia Insight archive].

Any conservative effort to crack down on civil liberties and undertake mass arrests would require military or paramilitary backing. A longtime observer of Iranian politics, who spoke on condition of anonymity, sees the Basij militia as a crucial plank of the conservative "hard" strategy. "To a great extent," the observer told EurasiaNet recently, "whoever wins the hearts and minds of the Basij can determine the course of developments."

The extent of Basij militia loyalty to the conservative cause remains in doubt. Certainly there are many points of common interest that push the Basij towards the conservative camp, but the militia in the past has exhibited an independent streak. For example, during and after the crackdown that followed this summer’s street demonstrations, several Basij branches condemned the involvement of plain-clothes vigilantes inside university campuses. [For background see the Eurasia Insight archives]. The Tehran University Basij Organization reportedly lambasted a lenient corruption verdict in March as "a travesty of justice" and an "affront to the memories of the martyrs."

Conservatives may be betting that Basij dissatisfaction with Khatami’s administration will help cement an anti-reformist alliance. Some observers believe a pretext would be needed to formally push the Basij into becoming the enforcers of the conservative agenda. However, such pretexts – such as a public reformist denunciation of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, to whom the Basij are fiercely loyal – has not materialized.

Editor’s Note: Ardeshir Moaveni is a freelance journalist who specializes in Iranian and Afghanistani affairs.

http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/eav080103.shtml


27 posted on 08/01/2003 2:03:57 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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VOLUNTEER MILITIA SEEN AS KEY TO FUTURE POWER STRUGGLE IN IRAN

Ardeshir Moaven
A EurasiaNet Commentary
EURASIA INSIGHT August 1, 2003

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/956243/posts?page=27#27

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28 posted on 08/01/2003 2:05:23 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Mr. Gary Sick, former U.S. National Security Council staff member

Whose administration is he from? Clinton's?

29 posted on 08/01/2003 2:08:13 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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I believe he was with the Carter Administration.
He was the architect of their Iranian policy.
30 posted on 08/01/2003 2:15:53 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Gary Sick served on the National Security Council staff under Presidents Ford, Carter, and Reagan. He was the principal White House aide for Iran during the Iranian Revolution and the hostage crisis and is the author of two books on U.S.-Iranian relations.


http://ci.columbia.edu/ci/eseminars/1363_detail.html
31 posted on 08/01/2003 2:19:08 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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Thank you.
32 posted on 08/01/2003 2:29:11 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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IRAN SCRAPS SATELLITE DEAL WITH RUSSIA.

Rajab Safarov, general director of the Center for Contemporary Iranian Studies and the head of the iran.ru news agency, said on 29 July that Iran has decided against purchasing a communications satellite from Russia, Ekho Moskvy reported. The Russian Foreign Ministry first recommended purchasing the satellite, known as Zohreh, from a state-run company called Aviaeksport, while Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov recommended the Intersputnik company to the Iranians. This behavior surprised the Iranians, according to Safarov, leading to the cancellation of the deal. "Iran is a leader of the Islamic world, and losing the Iranian market is a serious blow to Russia's interests," he said. BS

source RFE/RL NEWSLINE Vol. 7, No. 145, Part III, 1 August 2003

It is not easy when one company offers a high bribe.
33 posted on 08/01/2003 2:31:56 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: nuconvert
http://mehr.org/nro.htm

A scathing piece against Gary Sick, if you are interested.
34 posted on 08/01/2003 2:34:33 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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IRANIAN PRESIDENT AND PARLIAMENT TO DISCUSS LEGISLATIVE DEADLOCK.

The deadlock between the Iranian parliament and the Guardians Council over two pieces of legislation that would strengthen the executive branch appears to be causing tensions in the already fragile reformist coalition. Vice President for Legal and Parliamentary Affairs Mohammad Ali Abtahi said in the 29 July issue of the government newspaper "Iran" that there will be a meeting of the cabinet and members of the legislature on 3 August to enhance the two sides' cooperation.

On the other hand, Ardabil parliamentary representative Nureddin Pirmoazen said he and 24 of his colleagues have summoned President Hojatoleslam Mohammad Khatami to the legislature on 3 August to answer their questions about the current situation, ISNA reported on 30 July. BS

source: RFE/RL NEWSLINE Vol. 7, No. 145, Part III, 1 August 2003
35 posted on 08/01/2003 2:35:20 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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IRANIAN STUDENTS SENTENCED TO JAIL.

Nine students from Ilam University have received jail sentences after a closed-door trial, ILNA reported on 30 July. Six of the students received three-year sentences for insulting Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, two received one-year sentences for unspecified reasons, and a third student received an 18-month sentence for acting against national security. BS

source RFE/RL NEWSLINE Vol. 7, No. 145, Part III, 1 August 2003
36 posted on 08/01/2003 2:37:28 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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Thanks. Sorry. My computer hiccupped. Had to reboot.
37 posted on 08/01/2003 2:47:59 PM PDT by nuconvert
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Happens to the best of us. :)
38 posted on 08/01/2003 2:56:12 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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This sh#t has to stop. (pardon my #)
39 posted on 08/01/2003 2:58:20 PM PDT by nuconvert
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I don't know who's more delusional: Mr. Moavan or the person who gave him the info. for this article.
40 posted on 08/01/2003 3:03:54 PM PDT by nuconvert
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It will sooner or later. As the financial and socal crisis in Iran deepens the present regime is running towards the abyss.

I am prepared to pay off the present crooks, as this will be less costly for the Iranian people, but it seems that there will be a revolution.
41 posted on 08/01/2003 3:04:41 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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This is a remarkable piece--Please everyone email it or post it on other chat sites------
42 posted on 08/01/2003 3:05:40 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: AdmSmith
I don't think the U.S. would send low level personnel to talk about 2 very important subjects.
43 posted on 08/01/2003 3:14:26 PM PDT by nuconvert
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The meeting was part of a series of regular meetings with Iranians. I agree that the secretary not attended, but I would not say that it was a low lever meeting.
44 posted on 08/01/2003 3:26:13 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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I can not spell, lever => level, time to go home.
45 posted on 08/01/2003 3:27:50 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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Sounds like it from their description.
46 posted on 08/01/2003 3:28:28 PM PDT by nuconvert
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Different parts of the Iranian government (incl the clerics etc) have talks with the US, and in many cases they do not tell the other branches of the Iranian government of these meetings. Rafsanjani does this very often. This is very confusing.
47 posted on 08/01/2003 3:36:19 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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I don't know what that has to do with anything.

I go back to my original statement:

"I think the students are overreacting on this point."

The U.S. is NOT going to make a deal with Rafsanjani and back him in 2005. Period. And that's the message the students need to get.
48 posted on 08/01/2003 3:51:06 PM PDT by nuconvert
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To: AdmSmith
Thanks for filling in the details...
49 posted on 08/01/2003 3:59:22 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Radio Farda - Summary of Iran Stories in Today's Broadcasts

August 01, 2003
Radio Farda
Behnam Nateghi

US Denies Talking to Iran on Exchange of Prisoners

- The US on Thursday denied a report that talks it was talking to Iran an on a possible exchange of senior al Qaeda members in Iran for U.S.-held members of an anti-regime terror group Mojahedin-e Khalq Organization (MKO). The US has "communicated to Iran the importance of turning over senior members of al Qaeda," a senior Bush administration official said. “No quid pro quo, no negotiations, no exchange.” (Ardavan Niknam)

Reporter Calls on Khatami to Probe Torture of Fellow Tabrizi Journalist

- In a letter to President Mohammad Khatami, Tabriz-based journalist Payman Pakmehr asked him to investigate the recent arrest and torture of independent Tabriz journalist Ensafali Hedayat, a frequent interviewee on Radio Farda, who was arrested in the wake of the recent pro-democracy protests in Iran. In an earlier letter to Mr. Khatami, Hedayat reported being severely beaten and threatened to death by police and plain-clothes security officials while in his 28-day custody. Pakmehr himself was arrested and beaten after giving a report to Radio Farda about a gathering of people in praise of an ancient Iranian anti-Islam figure near Tabriz. (Bahman Bastani)

Regime Closes Islamic Student Councils

- The Islamic government began closing Islamic student councils in universities, making further activities of their members illegal. In an open letter, the Islamic student council of the Sahand University in Tabriz, which has recently been closed by the judiciary, termed the move “an effort by the conservatives to impose a graveyard-like silence on the universities”. (Bahman Bastani)

Journalists Back Reformist MP's Attack on Hard-line Prosecutor

- In an open letter, a number of journalist expressed support for reformist MP Mohsen Armin's recent call for the ousting of Tehran prosecutor Saeed Mortazavi. Faramarz Qarabaghi, who has signed the open letter, tells Radio Farda that Judge Mortazavi is a key figure in the ever-increasing pressure on journalists. “Mr. Armin for the first time explicitly pointed Mortazavi and other judiciary elements who suppress freedom of expression,” Qarabaghi said. (Kayvan Hosseini)

Iranians in Toronto Call for Investigation of Kazemi's Death

- Toronto-based Center for Thought, Dialogue and Human Rights in Iran held a gathering on Thursday to protest the death of Canadian-Iranian journalist Zahra Kazemi, who died in custody of head injuries she suffered during interrogation. The Center asked the Canadian government to press Iran for further investigation. (Maryam Aqvami, Toronto)

Canada Plans to Sponsor UN Resolution to Condemn Iran's Human Rights Vilations

- Zahara Kazemi's death has spoiled Iran's innocuously good relations with Canada. In private, the Canadians talk about sponsoring a UN resolution to condemn Iran's human-rights record, something that Iranians, of all stripes, are keen to prevent, writes London weekly the Economist.

MESA Asks for Release of Students

- In a letter to the Supreme Leader, the Middle East Studies Association of North America (MESA) condemned attacks on and mass arrests of university students in Iran. MESA called on the Supreme Leader to ensure that that the imprisoned students and political activists are released immediately, and that all those guilty of violent attacks on student be identified and punished according to law. MESA accused the Supreme Leader of direct involvement in suppression of dissent. (Golnaz Esfandiari)

Two Men Sentenced to Death for Murder of 9 Women

- A court in central town Arak sentenced to death two young men for murdering nine women in one year. Police said the convicts' motive was robbery, but the coroner reported that the victims had been raped. (Kayvan Hosseini)

International Human Rights Advocates Condemn Arrests of Students, Journalists

- In two separate statements published on Thursday, Amnesty International expressed concern over the imprisoned students, as well as members of the religious-nationalist coalition activists. Meanwhile, the Paris-based Reporters Sans Borders voiced concern about the imprisonment of 21 journalists in very harsh conditions in Iran, calling the Islamic Republic “the biggest prison for journalists in the Middle East”. (Golnaz Esfandiari)

- Reporters Sans Frontiers issued a statement expressing concern about the arrest of two Iranian government employees by coalition forces in southern Iraq for security violations on July 2. Foreign ministry spokesman Hamid-Reza Asefi said on Tuesday that the two were “documentary filmmakers,” who worked for the state radio-TV monopoly. A coalition forces spokesman said in Baghdad Wednesday that the activities of Said Abutaleb and Soheil Karimi did not match their claim. (Siavash Ardalan)

US Should Punish Countries that Deal with Iran, Says Economist

- The Economist weekly said in a commentary that the United States, which already stops its own companies from doing business with Iran, could choose to punish other countries that put money into Iranian oil or gas. (Shahran Tabari, London)

Russia Sells Non-Alcoholic Beer to Iran

- With the approval of the Tehran municipal government, Russia's Baltika brewery this week sent its first shipment to Iran -- 30,000 liters of non-alcoholic version of Baltika, Russia's most popular beer. (Mani Kasravi, Moscow)

http://www.radiofarda.com/transcripts/topstory/2003/08/20030801_2230_0039_0418_EN.asp
50 posted on 08/01/2003 6:53:21 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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