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Ronald Reagan on the importance of political compromise(in his own words)
An American Life (his autobiography) | 8/7/03 | Ronald Reagan

Posted on 08/07/2003 2:05:04 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat

"When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it.

"Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything.

"I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.'

"If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: compromiseorsellout; conservatism; howfaristoofar; howtogainpower; howtowin; idealism; incrementalism; liberalism; politicalreality; pragmatism; reagan; reagancompromise; reaganconservatives; ronaldreagan; winheartsandminds
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To: deport
Beware: the last time SG asked me a question all hell broke loose on The Dose thread and it got moved to chat.

Fred should be along any minute now.
51 posted on 08/07/2003 3:55:08 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Never.
52 posted on 08/07/2003 3:55:21 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (Too much Bozo Spew broke my bozo filter)
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To: Howlin
Hey I had nothing to do with that.
53 posted on 08/07/2003 3:56:42 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (Too much Bozo Spew broke my bozo filter)
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To: Sir Gawain
Then why drag me into it?
54 posted on 08/07/2003 3:56:42 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Sir Gawain
You have anything to add to the topic of this thread....or are you just trolling and baiting?
55 posted on 08/07/2003 3:57:06 PM PDT by justshe ("Do you trust a Democrat to protect America?")
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To: Howlin
Then why drag me into it?

Because I don't get to pick on you often enough. hehe

I really didn't bring anyone with me on that Dose thread btw.

56 posted on 08/07/2003 3:57:48 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (Too much Bozo Spew broke my bozo filter)
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To: Howlin; Fred Mertz
Fred should be along any minute now.

Nah, IMO, Fred is actually the wooden dummy, parrotting the biker bars words on FR.

57 posted on 08/07/2003 4:00:05 PM PDT by Dane
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"BTW, AAA, I will wait for your obigatory and cowardly reply(not pinging me and putting up a derogatory picture towards me as your reply."

58 posted on 08/07/2003 4:02:22 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: justshe
You have anything to add to the topic of this thread....or are you just trolling and baiting?

The trolling was done by the poster of this thread. This compromise vs. principle issue is being debated on in, gee, I don't know, almost every thread on FR.

59 posted on 08/07/2003 4:02:29 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (Too much Bozo Spew broke my bozo filter)
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To: Sir Gawain
That I believe; you were the only one acting decently that night. (Of course, I should really say that in public; you'll be damned to hell for that one!)

Because I don't get to pick on you often enough. hehe

Sorry, you'll have to take a number.

Or you could arm wrestle "The Legend" for stalking privliges.

60 posted on 08/07/2003 4:02:38 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
you were the only one acting decently that night

And I left around post #130 or something like that.

Or you could arm wrestle "The Legend" for stalking privliges.

Nah, some of your male buddies are the real stalkers around here. But that's another subject for another flame war.

61 posted on 08/07/2003 4:04:53 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (Too much Bozo Spew broke my bozo filter)
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To: holdonnow
"Thanks my friend. Well, have to go. Take care."

No, thank you for all you and Landmark do. And you too take care. The heart scare was too much. We need you around to continue fighting the good fight, especially with the 'Rats/left where they are these days...

62 posted on 08/07/2003 4:06:09 PM PDT by eureka! (Rats and Presstitutes lie--they have to in order to survive.....)
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To: Dane
the wooden dummy, parrotting the biker bars words on FR.

Impossible. That position belong to "The Legned" and his little yappy GF, who have nothing else to do with their lives except slowly but surely copy and paste FR word for word over to LostPrivileges.com.

Fred is gainfully employed.

63 posted on 08/07/2003 4:06:10 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Sir Gawain; Diddle E. Squat
~~~The trolling was done by the poster of this thread. This compromise vs. principle issue is being debated on in, gee, I don't know, almost every thread on FR.~~~


If you have a problem with the poster of this thread....why not take it up with him?

Personally, I would much rather read Reagan's words than 75% of the vanities that are being posted with increasing regularity on these boards.

Now.....do you have anything to ADD to the discussion? Or are you still trolling and baiting?
64 posted on 08/07/2003 4:06:41 PM PDT by justshe ("Do you trust a Democrat to protect America?")
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To: Sir Gawain
And I left around post #130 or something like that.

Goodness, you came back with that "alibi" *just* a little too quick, don't you think?

Who would MY male buddies be?

65 posted on 08/07/2003 4:07:28 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: justshe
Now.....do you have anything to ADD to the discussion? Or are you still trolling and baiting?

SG is one of the most mild mannered posters on this board, I've never seen him out of line. You're twice the "troll" he is....woman.

66 posted on 08/07/2003 4:12:31 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: Howlin
Goodness, you came back with that "alibi" *just* a little too quick, don't you think?

Did I? I didn't think so.

Who would MY male buddies be?

Hmm, maybe "buddies" was too strong. Anyway, another day. ;-)

67 posted on 08/07/2003 4:13:04 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (Too much Bozo Spew broke my bozo filter)
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To: Howlin
Well, I see the usual suspects are here.

Why do you suppose people on the right are so nasty about Arnold? Regardless of his position on issues, whether he is conservative, moderate, or liberal, doesn't he have a right to run?

What is it that they are so upset about? Either he will win or he won't. If he loses, it will mean that either Davis is retained or one of the other candidates wins.

Now if Davis wins, nothing changes. However, Arnold being in the race makes it almost certain that Davis will be recalled.

If Arnold loses to another Republican who is more conservative, then the right wing of the Republicans in California will be vindicated.

But if Arnold wins, Davis is out and those who have spent the last three years screaming about how no moderates have been ignored will have been proven wrong.

And we can't have people like Rush be wrong, now could we?

68 posted on 08/07/2003 4:15:04 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Howlin
That is so beneath you.

?

Someone who thinks that something is "beneath" me?! Boy you really are still my friend aren't you!?

:)

69 posted on 08/07/2003 4:15:34 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
Uh......do I know you?
70 posted on 08/07/2003 4:17:48 PM PDT by justshe ("Do you trust a Democrat to protect America?")
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To: AAABEST
That's my whole point, AAA. It's not like you to say stuff like that.

That's more MY style. :-)
71 posted on 08/07/2003 4:18:03 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Sir Gawain
Ah, pressed for an answer, he departs.
72 posted on 08/07/2003 4:18:37 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Miss Marple
Well......Mark's argument about what constitutes 'compromise' fell flat......so I think he cut and run.
73 posted on 08/07/2003 4:19:22 PM PDT by justshe ("Do you trust a Democrat to protect America?")
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To: Howlin
Sorry, I can't stay all day.
74 posted on 08/07/2003 4:19:34 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (Too much Bozo Spew broke my bozo filter)
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To: Howlin
I'll have you know that I have a reputation as one of the biggest a-holes on this forum. My crass stupidity is legendary.
75 posted on 08/07/2003 4:21:10 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: justshe
Uh......do I know you?

You know me well enough to call me a "musket carrying" something or other when CJ pinged you to one of my comments the other day.

I don't think we've met in RL however, I also don't own a musket.

76 posted on 08/07/2003 4:23:53 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
Wanna arm wrestle over it?
77 posted on 08/07/2003 4:26:06 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: AAABEST
Want to buy MY musket?
78 posted on 08/07/2003 4:33:21 PM PDT by justshe ("Do you trust a Democrat to protect America?")
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To: AAABEST; holdonnow
I just find it interesting that a unknown Canadian nobody has the nerve to question the "credibility" of heavy hitters such as Rush and Mark Levin, and do it to his face no less.

I love watching Mark on Hannity and Colmes, but are you really saying that none of us here should be allowed to question his posts?

I generally agree with Mark, but I don't think any of us is infallible and I think sometimes Mark goes a bit overboard on the rhetoric - as do many of us, from time to time.

79 posted on 08/07/2003 4:35:00 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Agreed! And .. my argument for McClintock is that he's been there in the trenches fighting for us for quite some time - he hasn't just flown into the state with a big splash.
80 posted on 08/07/2003 4:36:46 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - "The Greatest Nation on the Face of the Earth")
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Negotiating with a party in good faith is fine. Unfortunately, Democrats are not acting in good faith now and must be bulldozed.
81 posted on 08/07/2003 4:44:10 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals ("they took 2 steps to the left, I took 3 steps to the right")
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To: Amelia
At least you're an American and you realize Mark's great contribution to our country. Critique all you like.

Compare your statement to that annoying half pinko Canadian's and you'll see a big difference.
82 posted on 08/07/2003 4:44:20 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: george wythe
The uncompromizing conservatives would rather have President Hillary than President Bush.

After all, they keep repeating that there is no difference between the Pubbies and Rats.

The one-party cartel blah, blah, blah

When x-42 was in office the pubbies wouldn't let the rats have:
Education Bill (no child left behind)
Farm bill
Prescription Drugs Medicare bill
Any big governement spending he can get bill.

President Bush has said that he would extend the '93 silly so-called assault weapons ban signed by x-42. Don't be surprised when congress somehow is pressured into selling US out again.

83 posted on 08/07/2003 4:45:26 PM PDT by AeWingnut (Soccer: a symptom of a greater ill)
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To: justshe
Ok that was kind of cute and disarming. You were supposed to say something hysterical letting me know that I was able to get to you. Not fair.

Do you really own a musket?

84 posted on 08/07/2003 4:47:58 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
Regardless of Mark's contribution, (and for your information there are a whole lot of people on FR who don't know his real identity, American or not) he is, in my opinion, mistaken. So is Rush.
85 posted on 08/07/2003 4:48:16 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
Regardless of Mark's contribution, (and for your information there are a whole lot of people on FR who don't know his real identity, American or not) he is, in my opinion, mistaken. So is Rush.

Your opinion is fine with me. Now go compare your statement with the Canadian's and you'll see why he got the reaction he did.

And yes, he knew who Mark was.

86 posted on 08/07/2003 4:54:44 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: justshe
"When you compromise to promote the conservative agenda, fine.

But when you compromise and promote the left's agenda, that's the problem.
And that's the problem with signing the campaign finance bill, a complete surrender; signing Daschle's ag bill, a complete surrender; signing Kennedy's ed bill; a near complete surrender; and offering to sign ANY prescription drug bill that expands Medicare. There's a difference between compromise and surrender on important domestic issues."

7 posted on 08/07/2003 2:14 PM PDT by holdonnow




justshe wrote:
Well......Mark's argument about what constitutes 'compromise' fell flat......so I think he cut and run.



Weird comment, jshe.

Marks argument was well reasoned, to the point, and backed up by some hard to dispute facts.
He defended his conclusions for a few more posts, then announced he had to leave.

That's "cut & run"? ...
You may have some sort of a dyslexic problem, imo.
87 posted on 08/07/2003 4:56:17 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: AAABEST
Regardless of Mark's contribution, (and for your information there are a whole lot of people on FR who don't know his real identity, American or not) he is, in my opinion, mistaken. So is Rush.
88 posted on 08/07/2003 4:56:32 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Keyes2000mt
McClintock will not win, period. No chance. Issa had the good sense to get out. If, by some miracle, McClintock did win, he would get far less than Arnold, because any "conservative" is going to spend half his time battling the media and the other half battling the Dems in the state leg. and accomplish nothing.

I remain convinced that this situation needs a "larger-than-life" figure who can go over the heads of the Dems and the media, and that ain't McClintock.

89 posted on 08/07/2003 4:56:49 PM PDT by LS
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To: AAABEST
(wink)
90 posted on 08/07/2003 4:57:53 PM PDT by justshe ("Do you trust a Democrat to protect America?")
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To: dinok
If anything, GW has conceeded to 75% fo the opposition agenda.

I guess that is why all the dems are so upset with him.....

91 posted on 08/07/2003 4:58:05 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: dinok
If anything, GW has conceeded to 75% of the opposition agenda................

Is it possible that it is our perception that is askew?

Perhaps the president is getting 100% of HIS agenda........

92 posted on 08/07/2003 5:00:29 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (Deficit $455,000,000,000 + MY VOTE IS FOR SALE)
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To: AAABEST
Do you really own a musket?
84 -AAA-


I'd bet that if she does, it one of those old horse pistol ones, shaped like a battle axe.
93 posted on 08/07/2003 5:01:09 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: tpaine
And Mr. tp.....you may have trouble reading an entire thread. If you had, you would have seen my reasoning HERE

To: holdonnow

"When you compromise to promote the conservative agenda, fine. But when you compromise and promote the left's agenda, that's the problem."

com·pro·mise: A settlement of differences in which each side makes concessions.

Let's be honest here. Rush's definition of compromise is just a BIT skewed. He's saying "MY side ONLY gets the benefits!" Posh!

37 posted on 08/07/2003 3:37 PM PDT by justshe


In fact.....it isn't a BIT skewed.....it is WAY SKEWED. Mark defined surrender...by the left. He did NOT define 'compromise'.

94 posted on 08/07/2003 5:05:49 PM PDT by justshe ("Do you trust a Democrat to protect America?")
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To: AAABEST
And yes, he knew who Mark was.
-AAA-



I think he is one of the same gang who tried to drive MarK off of FR a few months ago.
-- Strange group, -- JR had to finally intrevene in their flame fest, ims...
95 posted on 08/07/2003 5:07:21 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: justshe
Sorry, my gibberish translator is broken. Please rephrase.

-- Or better yet, fergidaboudit.
Mark's words speak for themselves, as do yours.
96 posted on 08/07/2003 5:15:52 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: tpaine
Sorry, my gibberish translator is broken.

This will come as no great surprise to anybody who happened to see this

97 posted on 08/07/2003 5:21:24 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: tpaine; holdonnow; Jim Robinson
I think he is one of the same gang who tried to drive MarK off of FR a few months ago.

I remember that, I just chose not to bring it up on this thread. I couldn't believe the way they went after Mark, on of the few high profile people who has the balls to admit that he enjoys FR.

I believe that some were so enamored that they would sacrifice anything, including the integrity of this forum to for one man.

That said, I think they've "chilled" a bit. I see more of a dialogue lately. Unless I'm mistaken you've chilled a bit too you, so have I for that matter.

98 posted on 08/07/2003 5:21:39 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: tpaine
You're just dying to start a flame war, eh, tpaine?

That weak flesh is gonna get you yet!
99 posted on 08/07/2003 5:22:33 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Howlin
Gee, an attempt at reversed word play.
How clever.
100 posted on 08/07/2003 5:24:02 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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