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Iranian Alert -- August 9, 2003 -- LIVE THREAD PING LIST
The Iranian Student Movement Up To The Minute Reports ^ | 8.9.2003 | DoctorZin

Posted on 08/09/2003 12:01:07 AM PDT by DoctorZIn

The regime is working hard to keep the news about the protest movment in Iran from being reported.

From jamming satellite broadcasts, to prohibiting news reporters from covering any demonstrations to shutting down all cell phones and even hiring foreign security to control the population, the regime is doing everything in its power to keep the popular movement from expressing its demand for an end of the regime.

These efforts by the regime, while successful in the short term, do not resolve the fundamental reasons why this regime is crumbling from within.

Iran is a country ready for a regime change. If you follow this thread you will witness, I believe, the transformation of a nation. This daily thread provides a central place where those interested in the events in Iran can find the best news and commentary.

Please continue to join us here, post your news stories and comments to this thread.

Thanks for all the help.

DoctorZin


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1 posted on 08/09/2003 12:01:07 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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2 posted on 08/09/2003 12:03:08 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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REFERENDUM IS THE BEST, PEACEFUL WAY TO REGIME CHANGE IN IRAN

LONDON 8 Aug. (IPS) Hojjatoleslam Hoseyn Khomeini, the grandson of the founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran added his voice calling for a referendum on the future regime of Iran.

"Referendum is the best way allowing the Iranians to freely decide on the regime they desire. If they vote for an Islamic Republic, the present rulers would be legitimised. If they vote for a secular system instead, it would also allow the ruling clerics to step aside peacefully, handing the power to new leaders without bloodshed", Mr. Khomeini said.

However, he stressed that the present ruling theocracy has reached its end, repeated that the regime has "lost" its legitimacy and accused the ruling clerics of "atrocities" committed against the Iranian people, ruling by "force and violence, perpetuating injustice, corruption, discrimination, random arrest and jailing and torture of dissidents and illegal confiscations".

According to the 45 years-old Khomeini, his grandfather, in his first speech upon his arrival in Tehran, had denied older generations the right to decide for the regime the future generations wanted to have.

"This is valid today, as those who voted the Islamic Republic on the 12 Farvardin (First of April 1979) referendum are in the minority against those making the majority of the population now, who were not born or not in an age for voting then", he observed in an interview broadcast by the Persian service of the BBC on Thursday 7 August.

When reminded that the dissidents were ferociously oppressed and executed under the absolute rule of his grandfather, he acquiesced, observing that he had opposed the decision in several speeches.

The son of Mostafa, Grand Ayatollah’s elder son, Hojjatoleslam Hoseyn left Iran, where he was imposed "lock on his lips", for Iraq secretly about a month ago and is seeking to establish himself in the holy city of Najaf, where his grandfather lived in exile and led the Islamic revolution that overthrew Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on 1979.

Repeating that an Islamic government is religiously "illegal" until Mehdi, the Shi’ites twelfth and last imam remains in the hiding, the young Khomeini said the present system’s "contrasting duality" (of elements of republicanism and religion) was "the main source" of it’s "total impotency" solving people’s basic and real needs and problems.

"Hence, referendum is the only way allowing Iran to get out of the impasse, replacing the present system with a secular one", he pointed out.

In earlier interviews, Mr. Khomeini had stated that if his grandfather would be alive, not only he would have joined the opponents, but also calling for a regime change.

To a question about how he would bring changes and if having a Koran and a machinegun at his bedside does not point to some methods, he replied that the book was that of Hafez (one of Iranian’s most revered poets) and that the arm was a hand revolver he keeps in case we are threatened, considering the lack of security in Iraq for the time being.

"As for taking the leadership of any movement, no one has asked me anything and I don’t expect any, but I would consider it a great honour if I can help Iranians recover freedom and democracy, be it a small step.

Asked to comment on earlier statements calling on the Americans to help bring freedom to Iran, he again emphasized that freedom is what mankind has as its "most important and cherished value".

"If we Iranians we can secure freedom by our own means, much better, but if all roads are closed to us, shall we abandon our aim, saying we don’t want freedom? If the Americans can help us in this road, why not? This is not inviting Americans to interfere in our internal affairs", he pointed out.

Asked about his view of President Mohammad Khatami and the reforms he promised but failed to achieve, Mr. Khomeini reiterated that Iranians are "deeply deceived by both the man they massively voted for and the reformists who brought nothing but more trouble than before".

"Seyyed Hoseyn had been kept out of the political theatre for the last two decades by the late Ayatollah Khomeini’s political children who have either silenced other members of the Khomeini family or coerced them in siding with the regime", one Iran watcher observed.

Iranian political analysts say that though the young Khomeini is not well known to the people and religiously, he is not a heavyweight, yet, taking in account his situation as the most senior member of the family, he could become an asset for the Iranian change regime movement in the future, provided he is assured of a solid political and communication organization, which he lacks for the time being.

This is probably one of the reasons why the authorities have ordered the local media not report any of his interviews. ENDS HOSEYN KHOMEINI 8803

http://www.iran-press-service.com/
3 posted on 08/09/2003 12:15:42 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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REFERENDUM IS THE BEST, PEACEFUL WAY TO REGIME CHANGE IN IRAN

LONDON 8 Aug. (IPS)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/960950/posts?page=3#3

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4 posted on 08/09/2003 12:17:22 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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IRANIANS JOURNALISTS PROTESTED LIMITATION OF PRESS FREEDOM

TEHRAN 8 Aug. (IPS) Hundreds of Iranian journalists inside and outside the country put their pens down for more than three hours as others observed a symbolic sit in to protest growing crackdowns on journalists and limitations on freedom of the press in the Islamic Republic.

In a statement, the protesters denounced the "miserable conditions" of Iranian journalists, urged the authorities to dismiss Tehran and Islamic revolution tribunal Prosecutor Judge Sa’id Mortazavi, better known as "The Butcher of the press" and called on the Minister of Islamic Guidance to resign, accused of failing to defend the "legitimate and legal rights of journalists".

They also named the conservatives-controlled Expediency Council, the Judiciary and the Council of Guardians, as well as the Supreme Council of Cultural Revolution, chaired by President Mohammad Khatami, as the main bodies responsible for violating and limiting press freedom in Iran.

The protesters also called on the reformists-dominated Majles (Parliament) to approve a press law that was withdrawn three years ago on the personal intervention of Ayatollah Ali Khameneh’i, the leader of the Islamic Republic.

In a related development, journalists who had participated at an official gathering for naming Iran’s Journalists of the Year walked out of the ceremony protesting the nomination of three journalists working for the State-run, conservatives-controlled Radio and Television without mentioning photographers like Kaveh Golestan and Ms. Zahra Kazemi or journalists like Akbar Ganji or Ahmad Zeydabadi.

Mr. Golestan, an internationally acclaimed photographer and cameraman, died four months ago in the Iraqi Kurdistan while covering the Allied operations in Iraq for the BBC.

Eyewitnesses told Iran Press Service that even some of the award winners refused to accept the honours in protest to the "one sided and biased" nominations.

None of the owners of newspapers and publications had joined the symbolic protest movement, which was hotly contested and criticised by all leading conservatives-controlled media.

The peaceful protest movement, decided jointly by the Iranian Association for the Defence of Press Freedom (IADPF) and the Association of Iranian Journalists (AIJ) on the "Journalists Day" was supported by some international press organizations like the Paris-based Reporters Sans Frontieres as well as the Association of Iranian Journalists Abroad (AIJA), based in Rome.

"Amid continuing clamour about the death of photojournalist Zahra Kazemi while in custody at the start of July, Reporters Without Borders today voiced concern about the imprisonment of a total of 21 journalists in very harsh conditions in Iran, many of them in a wave of arrests in the past few weeks, the RSF said in a statement issued on the occasion.

"With 21 journalists held, the Islamic Republic of Iran is the biggest prison for journalists in the Middle East", RSF added, noting that about the fact that half of the detained journalists are being held by aides of Mr. Mortazavi and by revolutionary guards in the same centre where the Canadian-Iranian photojournalist Zahra Kazemi received the blows to the head that caused her death.

In their statement, the journalists also demanded that an independent international committee investigate the death of Ms. Kazemi.

RSF’s Secretary-general Robert Ménard said the 8 August sit in was symptomatic of the discontent within the profession, pointing out that Reporters Without Borders had registered more than 50 cases of journalists being arrested or called in for questioning over a month. A total of 24 journalists were currently in prison and Reporters Without Borders called for their release.

The international press watchdog voiced particular concern about the conditions in which some of these journalists are being held. The wife of Reza Alijani, detained since 14 June, told the ISNA news agency that she did not recognise her husband during her last prison visit because he had lost so much weight. The wife of Taqi Rahmani has received no word of him since his arrest on 14 June. Her requests to visit him have all been turned down, as have the requests made by the wives of several other detained journalists.

Rahmani, Saber and Alijani were arrested on 14 June and Amir Tairani on 17 June in the capital Tehran, on charges including "attempting to overthrow the state, acting against national security and holding secret meetings with students".

In a statement, the London-based international human rights organisation Amnesty International said it fears that they may be at risk of torture and ill treatment.

The latest to be detained include Abolqasem Golbaf, editor of the monthly Gozaresh, who was arrested on 20 July for "propaganda against the regime and publishing incorrect information".

In an article published prior to his arrest, Mr. Golbaf claimed that during interrogation, Judge Mortazavi had told him to go finding a "more honest job than journalism".

Three members of the monthly’s staff, illustrator Arash Noporchian and journalists Mohammad-Amin Golbaf and Nader Karimi, were also arrested on 26 July, but were then freed two or three days later.

Hoseyn Bastani, Vahid Pour-Ostad and Sa’id Razavi Faqih, three members of the editorial staff of the reformist daily "Yas No", and Chahram Mohammadi-Nia, editor of the weekly "Vaqt", were summoned for questioning by the Tehran public prosecutor on 11 and 12 July and were then imprisoned. Yas No had published a note on 10 July explaining that it had prepared a detailed report on the 9 July demonstrations but had received orders from the Intelligence Ministry not to publish it.

Accused of publishing "an improper photo and article", Mohammadi-Nia was jailed after failing to pay bail of 100 million Rials (about 11,000 euros). Bastani, Pour-Ostad and Mohammadi-Nia were released between 16 and 20 July, but Faqih is still being held, as is freelance journalist Arash Salehi, who was arrested on a Tehran street.

Iraj Jamshidi, the editor of the economic daily "Asia", was arrested together with his wife, managing editor Saqi Baqernia, on 6 July for "publicity against the regime" after publishing a photograph of Mojahedeen Khalq’s leader Maryam Rajavi the day before. Baqernia was released on bail the following day, but Jamshidi was put in Evin prison in Tehran and was then moved to an undisclosed location. Ismail Jamshidi, editor of "Gardon" (a monthly that has been closed by the authorities), was detained 7 July. Since then, there has been no word of him.

Ensafali Hedayat, a journalist in Salam, was released on 12 July after spending 27 days in solitary confinement in the main prison of Tabriz. In a letter to President Mohammad Khatami, he said senior police officials beat him more than 300 times while in detention. He said he was lucky not to have suffered the same fate as Zahra Kazemi. (See the article entitled "ANIMALS HAVE MORE RIGHTS THAN IRANIANS" published by IPS on 6 August)

In letters recently published in the Iranian press, Abas Abdi the former Editor of "Salam", arrested on 4 November 2002 and is being held in solitary confinement, Ali-Reza Jabari of "Adineh", arrested on 17 March and the 78 years-old Siamak Pourzand, arrested on 30 March, have described the appalling situation of political prisoners, illnesses, mistreatments, physical and psychological pressure to which they are subjected. ENDS JOURNALISTS DAY 8803

http://www.iran-press-service.com/
5 posted on 08/09/2003 12:18:34 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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IRANIANS JOURNALISTS PROTESTED LIMITATION OF PRESS FREEDOM

TEHRAN 8 Aug. (IPS)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/960950/posts?page=5#5

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6 posted on 08/09/2003 12:19:58 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Pentagon hawks, Iran-Contra scam dealer hold talks
Washington |By Craig Gordon | 09-08-2003

Gulf News

Pentagon hard-liners pressing for regime change in Iran have held secret and unauthorised meetings in Paris with a controversial arms dealer who was a major figure in the Iran-Contra scandal, according to administration officials.

The officials said at least two Pentagon officials wo-rking for Undersecretary of Defen......
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http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/news.asp?ArticleID=94701
7 posted on 08/09/2003 12:30:34 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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Recently we have been hearing news about the state of the Iranian economy. The following are some of the headlines in today's Iranian newspapers.

*The government owes 2 thousands bilion Rials to the Municipality of Tehran.

*At least, 3.5 Bilion US $ needed to invest on the Electricity Industry of the country.

*Governmental Industry and economy is the enemy of the Stock Markets in Iran.
*Toursim Industry failure in Iran

*Lack of enough space to store wheat and rice in Iran

*Problems in Insurance Industry.

*Salary of Governmental staffs is half of what they got before 79 revolution

*Custom Charges and expenses, Still High for Importers.

In 1979 when the late Shah left Iran most Iranians felt the economy has collapsed. At the time one USD was equal to 70 rials that time, now it is 8300 rials to the dollar.

There is now a fear of the collapse of the stock market.

If that occurs, the people will become far more desparate and a change of regime that much closer.

Watch the Iranian economy.
8 posted on 08/09/2003 12:43:53 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Bank to offer Iranian company buyer's credit for export deal

(2003-08-09 09:07) (Xinhua)
Chinadaily

The Industrial and Commercial Bank of China Shanghai Branch will provide an Iranian passenger transport company with US$84.46 million worth of buyer's credit for an export deal.

An agreement on the deal was signed Wednesday between representatives of the bank and the State Bank of Iran.

Under the agreement, Raja, a state-owned railway company operated by the state railways administration of Iran, will use the credit to import 150 first-class carriages and 25 generator cars from China for its construction of a railway hub in the Middle East.

It was the third time the Chinese bank had provided financial support to China-Iran projects.

http://www1.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-08/09/content_253455.htm
9 posted on 08/09/2003 1:03:20 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Iran Journalists Sit in to Protest

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI
Associated Press Writer
August 9, 2003, 3:20 AM EDT

TEHRAN, Iran -- More than 200 pro-reform journalists held a vigil in Iran, saying they were protesting a continuing media crackdown and a lack press freedoms.

The journalists lit candles on Friday to mourn the anniversary of the death of Mahmoud Saremi, a reporter of the official Islamic Republic News Agency who was killed in 1988 by the former Taliban rulers in Afghanistan, and the death of Iranian-Canadian photojournalist Zahra Kazemi, who died in Iranian police custody last month.

"Today, we have gathered here to tell the people of the world that freedom of the pen in Iran is restricted. Today, the biggest problem of journalists in Iran is absence of justice and freedom," Mohsen Kadivar, a leading reformist cleric and writer, told the audience.

"It's not a source of pride that Iran is known as the biggest jail for journalists in the Middle East ... the way you rulers behave has no consistency with the Quran, which respects the pen," he said, drawing applause from the journalists. The Quran is Islam's holy book.

Hossein Bastani, editor of the reformist Yas-e-Nou daily, said his and other reformist papers were publishing just four pages on Saturday, instead of the usual 16.

"Yas-e-Nou will be published with only four pages Saturday to protest press restrictions. There will be nothing in the paper other than coverage of the sit-in," he said.

Mass closures of newspapers began in April 2000, days after Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said 10 to 15 reformist publications were "bases of the enemy."

Hard-liners have closed down more than 90 pro-democracy publications and jailed several dozen writers and political activists since then, almost all of them without trial or in closed trials without a jury.

Copyright © 2003, The Associated Press

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-iran-journalists,0,4374225.story?coll=sns-ap-world-headlines

10 posted on 08/09/2003 1:33:38 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Safavi: The assumption that countries can be swiftly occupied proven false

Tehran, Aug 9, IRNA -- Commander of the Islamic Revolution's Guard
Corps (IRGC) Major General Yahya Rahim-Safavi said here Friday that
the growing insecurity in Iraq simply proves that the assumption that
countries can be occupied easily is fast losing ground.
He made the remark during a closing speech at a gathering called
by the Supreme Leader's Representative Office in Universities.
Pointing to the growing evidence of the inability of the US-led
occupying forces to run the affairs in Iraq, particularly their
inability to meet the needs of the people, Safavi cited insecurity,
theft, starvation and lack of sanitation and jobs as the main problems
dogging the US occupation in that war-torn country.
He further compared the present situation of American soldiers in
Iraq to that of Zionist forces in occupied Palestine, saying their
military treatment of the Iraqi civilian population has only resulted
in growing hatred towards the soldiers.
Describing America's option for an aggressive strategy to redraw
the map of the world to conform to its own goals, the IRGC commander
pointed out that their ultimate goal is to control the oil and other
energy resources of the Persian Gulf.

http://www.irna.ir/en/tnews/030809113502.etn00.shtml


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Iran Journalists Sit in to Protest

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI
Associated Press Writer
August 9, 2003, 3:20 AM EDT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/960950/posts?page=10#10

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12 posted on 08/09/2003 1:35:59 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Iran rejects report on Khatami's letter to US

Iran on Thursday rejected a press report on President Mohammad Khatami's alleged letter to US Secretary of State Colin Powell, asking the two countries to continue their secret and direct talks in Geneva.

**More here :
http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/Default.asp?NewsCode=17370&NewsKind=Current%20Affairs
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3129995.stm
14 posted on 08/09/2003 1:47:08 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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You don't seem to be reading your freepmail. Please take me off the ping list

15 posted on 08/09/2003 2:15:53 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === needs a job at the moment)
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/08/08/pentagon.ghorbanifar.ap/index.html
16 posted on 08/09/2003 6:17:53 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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Thanks for the pings
17 posted on 08/09/2003 8:28:55 AM PDT by firewalk
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Important Read -- DoctorZin

Islamic regime pushes forward in its demagogic policy of releasing students

SMCCDI (Information Service)
Aug 9, 2003

As reported, by SMCCDI, the Islamic republic's decision of releasing nine students was only made in an effort to help the demagogic policy of the regime and its Intelligence circles.

These so-called released student "leaders" have made several statements praising the high degree of civility and good conditions offered to them, while in captivity, making the un-awares to think of the Iranian penitenciary system as an exotic resort.

SMCCDI reported, on Aug. 7th, that while hundreds of students and protesters, looking for the establishment of a Secular state, are still held captive and that several of them have been executed and other will be executed in the coming days; Several students, members of Islamic Student Associations and relatives of regime's officials, have been released by the Islamic republic according to its demagogic policy.

The report emphasized that the Islamic regime and its leader intend, by such anticipated releases, to calm the NGO's and foreign governments; To try to put a stop on the disintegration of the Islamic Student Associations which were a day one of the main pillars of the regime's so-called reformists; To create distinctive line between the students and all other demonstrators; And most importantly to rehabilitate Judge Mortazavi accused of the murder of the Canadian-Iranian journalist.

SMCCDI report added that the regime's demagogy which is well know to the absolute majority of the Iranians will not reach its goals.

Iranians are preparing themselves for a wide scale revolution.

The need of a radical revolution is gaining momentum and reaching spheres that till now were looking for gradual reforms. in this line and in an unprecedented manner, Dr. Mohammad Maleki, head of Tehran University wrote, today, an open letter to the Iranian students by declaring his understanding of their radical believes and hoping them victory in their endeavor for regime change in Iran.

http://www.daneshjoo.org/generalnews/article/publish/article_1658.shtml
18 posted on 08/09/2003 9:04:42 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Important Read -- DoctorZin

Islamic regime pushes forward in its demagogic policy of releasing students

SMCCDI (Information Service)
Aug 9, 2003

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/960950/posts?page=18#18

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19 posted on 08/09/2003 9:06:34 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Iran to Try Some Detained Al Qaeda Members

August 09, 2003
Reuters
Khaleej Times Online

TEHRAN - Iran's intelligence minister has said detained Al Qaeda members whose citizenship has been revoked by their native countries will be tried in the Islamic Republic, a newspaper reported on Saturday.

"The detainees whose citizenship has been withdrawn and there is no possibility to hand them over to other countries, will stand trial in Iran," the Entekhab daily quoted Intelligence Minister Ali Yunesi as saying.

"Their trial will follow normal legal procedures," he said.

Iran finally acknowledged last month that it was holding key members of Al Qaeda who fled Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban, but refused to name them.

The Islamic republic has already said it will not hand over any detained members of Osama bin Laden's militant network to Washington and denied U.S. media reports that it was trying to strike a prisoner exchange deal with the United States.

Among those believed to held in Iran is Kuwaiti-born Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, a former teacher who emerged as the network's spokesman after the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001.

Abu Ghaith's Kuwaiti citizenship was revoked after he appeared on world television screens issuing threats of fresh attacks.

Iran has said it would extradite some Al Qaeda detainees to unspecified "friendly countries" and some who had committed crimes in Iran would be prosecuted by Iranian courts.

Washington accuses Iran of harbouring Al Qaeda militants and has mounted its pressure on the Islamic republic following series of Bomb attacks in Saudi Arabia in May, saying the masterminds of the bombings were located in Iran.

Iran has forcefully rejected the accusations, saying it has arrested and deported more than 500 Al Qaeda suspects in the past year.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2003/August/middleeast_August151.xml&section=middleeast
20 posted on 08/09/2003 9:07:43 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Iran to Try Some Detained Al Qaeda Members

August 09, 2003
Reuters
Khaleej Times Online

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/960950/posts?page=20#20

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21 posted on 08/09/2003 9:09:02 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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China expands missile proliferation to Mideast

Worldnetdaily.com
By Geostrategy-Direct
Aug 9, 2003

Egypt, Iran, Libya, Syria, North Korea benefiting from campaign

The United States believes China is expanding missile exports to the Middle East in violation of its pledges to the international community and its own nonproliferation laws.

The Bush administration has determined Beijing has violated its pledges to end the proliferation of missiles, U.S. officials said. The action is part of a Chinese campaign to increase exports and expand its Mideast clients.

China has been exporting missiles directly to Egypt, Iran, Libya and Syria and has transferred missiles via North Korea, the officials said.

The missile exports were discussed during a hearing last month by the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission. Officials expressed concern over China's increasing failure to enforce its own nonproliferation laws, announced in August 2002.

"China does not appear to be enforcing controls at its borders, allowing unauthorized transfers to go undetected," said Paula DeSutter, assistant secretary of state for verification and compliance. "Furthermore, it must establish a system of end-use verification checks to ensure that items approved for transfer are not diverted," she told the commission on July 24.

The State Department has accused China of transferring missiles to Iran, Libya, North Korea and Pakistan. The department's most recent Noncompliance Report said the exports violated China's commitments to the United States and calls into "serious question China's stated commitment to controlling missile proliferation."

"China is a key to achieving the administration's goal of stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction technology throughout the world," DeSutter said. "While there are many buyers in the market for WMD [weapons of mass destruction] and missiles, there are only a handful of states with the capability to be dealers in that market. China's sophistication with many of these technologies has made it possible for Chinese entities to become key exporters of WMD and missile technology."

Congress helped create the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission in 2000. The panel has been mandated to analyze and assess the Chinese role in the proliferation of WMD to countries listed by the State Department as sponsors of terrorism.

The Bush administration has approved sanctions against several leading Chinese companies in connection with their missile and WMD exports to Iran. They include China North Industries Corp., known as Norinco, which conducts extensive business with the United States.

Other Chinese companies in the missile and WMD market in the Middle East include the China Great Wall Industry Corp. and the China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corp., both of which sold M-11 missiles to Pakistan.

Officials said China began violating its missile nonproliferation commitments issued as early as 1992. In the mid-1990s, the officials said, China provided what they termed significant assistance to the missile and WMD programs of Iran and Syria.

The assistance included components and technology in liquid- and solid-fuel missiles.

In November 2000, China provided its most specific commitment to the United States. Beijing pledged not to assist any country in developing a missile that would violate the Missile Technology Control Regime. The MTCR bans the transfer of missiles with a range of 300 kilometers and a payload of 500 kilograms.

Within a year, officials said, China violated the commitment and exported missile-related technology to Pakistan. The export was arranged by the China Metallurgical Equipment Corp.

In her testimony, DeSutter termed Norinco and CPMIEC as major suppliers to Iran's missile program. She said Beijing has taken no action to stop the Chinese state-owned companies, both of which were sanctioned by Washington this year.

"The U.S. remains concerned, however, about the role of Chinese entities providing CW related equipment, technology, and precursor materials to Iran," DeSutter said. "The U.S. continues diplomatic efforts to encourage China to prevent exports to CW-related end-users, particularly in Iran."

WorldNetDaily brings readers exclusive, up-to-the-minute global intelligence news and analysis from Geostrategy-Direct, a new online newsletter edited by veteran journalist Robert Morton and featuring the "Backgrounder" column compiled by Bill Gertz. Geostrategy-Direct is a subscription-based service produced by the publishers of WorldTribune.com, a free news service frequently linked by the editors of WorldNetDaily.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33998
22 posted on 08/09/2003 9:11:19 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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China expands missile proliferation to Mideast

Worldnetdaily.com
By Geostrategy-Direct
Aug 9, 2003

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/960950/posts?page=22#22

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23 posted on 08/09/2003 9:12:46 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Accused in Kazemi's death, claims Iran media have "highest degree of freedom"

World News
Aug 9, 2003

TEHRAN - Tehran's chief prosecutor Said Mortazavi insisted Saturday that the media in Iran have the "highest degree of freedom", matched by only a few Western states, during a visit to the student news agency ISNA.

"Thanks to the Islamic revolution and the country's constitution, the Iranian press and media enjoy the highest degree of freedom, matched by only a few Western countries," he said.

"In other words, the freedom of the Iranian press can not be compared with those in neighboring countries and the Middle East," he added.

Mortazavi, a conservative hardliner who headed Iran's press courts from May 2000 until April this year, oversaw the closure of nearly 100 pro-reform publications and the jailing of dozens of journalists.

Hundreds of Iranian journalists downed tools Friday in protest at a worsening clampdown on the pro-reform media and the death of an Iranian-Canadian journalist in custody here in still unexplained circumstances.

The reformist strikers also demanded Mortazavi's removal.

The prosecutor said: "In accordance with the leader's call, nine university students were released and possibly the next phase of university students' release ... is going to happen in the next few days of this week."

On August 5, Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, told the courts to "exercise clemency" toward dozens of students jailed in protests, especially those who have since pledged their loyalty to the Islamic regime.

Mortazavi last Wednesday ordered the release of nine student leaders arrested during the wave of anti-regime protests in June and July. But dozens of students are still languishing in prisons around Iran.

http://www.daneshjoo.org/generalnews/article/publish/article_1654.shtml
24 posted on 08/09/2003 9:14:42 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Accused in Kazemi's death, claims Iran media have "highest degree of freedom"

World News
Aug 9, 2003

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/960950/posts?page=24#24

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25 posted on 08/09/2003 9:16:19 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: DoctorZIn
Here are a few of pictures of the journalists in Iran that are on strike.

http://www.pendar.net/spage.asp?id=39

26 posted on 08/09/2003 9:32:10 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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"Tehran's chief prosecutor Said Mortazavi insisted Saturday that the media in Iran have the "highest degree of freedom",

LOL! They're as free as he'll let them be....!

"Mortazavi, oversaw the closure of nearly 100 pro-reform publications and the jailing of dozens of journalists."

No Contradictions here!


27 posted on 08/09/2003 9:35:47 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
"In a statement, the protesters denounced the "miserable conditions" of Iranian journalists, urged the authorities to dismiss Tehran and Islamic revolution tribunal Prosecutor Judge Sa’id Mortazavi, better known as "The Butcher of the press" and called on the Minister of Islamic Guidance to resign, accused of failing to defend the "legitimate and legal rights of journalists".

"butcher of the press" / Mr."highest degree of freedom?"
Think Mortazavi's got a bit of an image problem.
A credibility problem, too.
28 posted on 08/09/2003 9:52:28 AM PDT by nuconvert
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Iran surplus oil revenue growing

Khorasan Prov, Aug 9 - The country has earned 2.6 billion dollars in surplus oil revenue in the first four months of the current Iranian year (started March 21), a senior planning expert said here Friday.

Mohammad Sattarifar, head of the Management and Planning Organization (MPO) made the disclosure during a session of the Khorasan provincial planning council.

He said the revenue will be deposited in the country's surplus foreign exchange account if the trend toward increasing oil prices continues.

The official noted that the country's foreign exchange revenue stood at 8.1 billion dollars in the last Iranian year (1381) and that 4.4 billion dollars of this amount went to the production and job creation sectors.

Sattarifar went on to say that the private sector is asking for a five-billion-dollar allocation for various projects from the organization, and that the government has already awarded contracts worth 2.1 billion dollars to various economic sectors.

The MPO head also said that the western province of Kermanshah had received 400 million dollars from the government's special forex account for development of the Assalouye region.

The projects, once operational, are expected to fetch some 10 billion dollars in revenue for the country.

Sattarifar further said that the outlines of the government's fourth economic development plan is now being studied, adding that the plan will not be merely relying on usual credit sources as previous plans did.

http://www.iribnews.com/Full_en.asp?news_id=185464&n=37
29 posted on 08/09/2003 1:20:13 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
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CENSORSHIP, TEHRAN-STYLE

Wed Aug 6, 4:06 AM ET
OP Ed New York Post

The world got a rare glimpse of the brutality of Iran's Islamic fundamentalists with the recent savage murder by Iranian security agents of Canadian journalist Zhara Kazemi.

The world got a rare glimpse of the brutality of Iran's Islamic fundamentalists with the recent savage murder by Iranian security agents of Canadian journalist Zhara Kazemi.

In June, the 54-year-old photographer of Iranian descent was arrested and beaten after photographing the regime's nightmarish Evin prison during student-led anti-government protests.

Four days later, she was taken in a coma from an unknown prison to the Ministry of Intelligence and then to a hospital, where she died.

Her relatives say that after her initial roughing up, she was subjected to beatings and torture. Though the judiciary claimed she died of a stroke, the country's vice president later admitted that she had been beaten to death.

Iran's elected, supposedly moderate, government is often at odds with the hard-line mullahs who control the courts, the Council of Guardians, the Revolutionary Guard and other key security forces.

But it was the "moderates" who authorized a hasty burial in Iran, against the wishes of her family and before any outsiders could examine the body.

Kazemi's death coincided with a vicious crackdown against democracy activists, reporters and student leaders. At least 15 other journalists are being held at the jail where she was brutalized, and nine more are imprisoned elsewhere for negative reporting about the regime.

It's not surprising that a regime that sponsors terrorists in Lebanon and suicide bombers in Israel is willing to murder journalists.

But it's something folks here and in Europe who are pushing for warmer ties to Tehran would do well to remember.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=106&ncid=742&e=14&u=/nypost/20030806/cm_nypost/censorshiptehranstyle
30 posted on 08/09/2003 1:53:44 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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CENSORSHIP, TEHRAN-STYLE

Wed Aug 6, 4:06 AM ET
OP Ed New York Post

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/960950/posts?page=30#30

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31 posted on 08/09/2003 1:59:06 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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This just in... from friends in Iran.

Ms, taleghani the secretary general of the Women Center will hold a sit in in front of the door of the Evin prison on 25 th of Aug to protest against the death of Ms. kazemi, she will sit in for more than 3 hours and demands no one take part in her session because of security problems.

(ILNA NEWS AGENCY ) IRAN LABOUR NEWS AGENCY

http://www.ilna.ir/shownews.asp?code=32122&code1=1
32 posted on 08/09/2003 2:03:49 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: DoctorZIn
"CENSORSHIP, TEHRAN-STYLE"

This OP Ed is so late in coming, you wonder if the Post has it's own censorship problems?
And where are the rest of the OP Eds regarding all the IRANIAN journalists beaten and tortured in prison?
33 posted on 08/09/2003 2:18:48 PM PDT by nuconvert
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Jordanian Embassy Bombing and Hizballah Bombardment - Dual Show of Tehran`s Muscle

August 09, 2003
DEBKAfile
DEBKAfile Special Report

The fingerprints of Ansar al-Islam, the Iraqi fundamentalist terror group linked to Al Qaeda, prompted Washington to place the FBI at the head of the investigation into the Jordanian embassy bombing in Baghdad Thursday, August 7, in which 19 people lost their lives and over 60 were injured.The day after, Lt.-Gen. Norton Schwartz, director of operations at the US Joint Staff, named the group as the possible perpetrators.

Saturday, August 9, Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said non-Iraqi terrorists were responsible. He warned that the infiltration of Iraq by armed fighters from neighboring countries could raise tensions between the United States and those countries.

Early in the Iraq War, American bombers wiped out Ansar al-Islam’s main headquarters in Kurdish-controlled northeastern Iraq near the Iranian border. But US administrator Paul Bremer said recently that the group was reconstituting and members filtering back into Iraq from Iran.

What Bremer did not spell out was that Ansar members could only have returned to Iraq with a blessing, logistical aid and funding from Iran’s Revolutionary Guards special intelligence arm which owns a strong presence on both sides of the Iranian-Iraqi border.

DEBKAfile’s counter-terror analysts note that the US official reference to Ansar al Islam was tantamount to blaming Tehran for the Jordanian embassy outrage. And if Iran, our analysts say, then the key al Qaeda figure uniquely qualified to orchestrate the attack must have been Abu Musab al Zarqawi, who is also in Iranian hands.

DEBKAfile has kept close track of this Jordanian-Palestinian terror master’s checkered career. In October 2001, a month after the September 11 hijack-bombings in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, our sources exposed Ansar’s main headquarters at Bayara in northern Iraq and Zarqawi’s presence there. We reported that he was part of a secret chemical and biological weapons experimentation project run there in the darkest secrecy by Iraqi intelligence officers. DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources report that Zarqawi is the only al Qaeda agent known to intelligence experts to have spent time in early 2000 at the Salman Pak facility 25 miles southeast of Baghdad for instruction in advanced terrorist and air hijacking techniques.

On Saturday, August 9, official sources in Washington uncovered information received for the first time that Iraq provided al Qaeda with training facilities and the components of chemical and biological weapons systems. The information came from recently captured al Qaeda men under interrogation. It aroused scant interest because most media are intent on questioning the Bush administration’s claims that Saddam had operational links with al Qaeda.

However, DEBKAfile’s sources and field inquiries traced these links from an early date.

Two and a half years ago we discovered that Zarqawi, on the strength of his studies in the northern Iraq Ansar base at Bayara, had been appointed al Qaeda’s expert in chemical, biological and radiological warfare. Then, just before the Iraq War in March 2003, he was given responsibility for designing unconventional weapons attacks in West Europe and Israel.

Latterly, DEBKAfile found Zarqawi in a minor logistical role in the Casablanca bombings of May 16, four days after the suicide attacks in Riyadh.

However, his lead function in the Jordanian embassy bombing in Baghdad has broad significance for the large picture of regional security: The interaction between al Qaeda, Iran, Syria and Iraqi resistance on three warfronts bodes ill for the anti-American guerrilla war, which has claimed 56 American soldiers’ lives in 100 days, and for the global war on al Qaeda terror; it is showing promise of generating an armed Hizballah-Israeli border clash that would also involve Syria.

The Iranian leadership was shown up by the embassy attack as a fraud. After the suicide attacks on three Western compounds in Riyadh on May 12, a group of top al Qaeda operations officers was discovered sheltering in Iran, the most prominent being Zarqawi, Suleiman Abu Ghaith, the organization’s treasurer, Said al-Adel, who has top rating as the network’s chief of staff and lead organizer of the Riyadh operation, and one of Osama bin Laden’s sons, possibly Saad.

In quiet negotiations subsequent to the Riyadh bombings held with American and Egyptian representatives (see DEBKAfile July 27 article on this page) – and open talks with the Saudis - Iranian officials vouched for these men being held incommunicado and not permitted to control outside networks. The Bush administration counted on this guarantee to paralyze an important part of al Qaeda’s operational capabilities and to open the way for further discussion with Iran on two other pressing issues, its nuclear weapons program and interference in Shiite affairs in southern Iraq and Baghdad.

That Zarqawi was permitted to set up the Jordanian bombing in Baghdad meant the Iranians had no serious intention of keeping their word or preventing al Qaeda from mounting terrorist attacks from their soil. The Jordanian embassy strike was too meticulously planned to have been put together in less than two or three weeks at the very least, certainly not on the spur of the moment like a sniper attack on a US convoy.

The night before the attack, a minivan packed with explosives was parked outside the Jordanian embassy unnoticed by the Iraqi police guards. Thursday morning, August 7, when the Jordanian consul and staff reached the gate of the compound on their way to work, a second vehicle drew up with four gunmen who shot rocket-propelled grenades at the bomb car and the embassy building, outside which a queue of visa applicants stood waiting.

Most of the casualties were hit by the exploding bomb car. A wing of the building caved in and caught fire. In a trice, a mob burst into the embassy, tore up the carpets and burnt the pictures of King Abdullah and his father King Hussein in front of television cameras. This was no spontaneous, frenzied mob but a staged scene for circulation around the Arab world’s television screens as a demonstration of how one of America’s closest allies was humiliated. The spectacle contributed little to US reputation in Iraq and even less to the standing of the Hashemite crown in Jordan.

Zarqawi worked through two parties, according to DEBKAfile’s intelligence and counter-terror sources: Ansar al Islam, with whom he was in touch since just before the American invasion of Iraq in March 2003, and Iraqi intelligence officers, whom he knew well from his training days at Salman Pak and the Ansar base at Bayara.

From his Iranian detention, he passed instructions out to Ansar contacts to get in touch with certain ex-Iraqi intelligence officers. As soon as contact was made, Zirqawi sent over a second set of instructions and money for the assault on the Jordanian embassy.

Thus was formed the first direct operational connection between Iran’s radical Revolutionary Guards - the dreaded Pazdaran, al Qaeda and former Iraqi intelligence officers still loyal to Saddam Hussein. They all share a burning ambition: to cripple the American presence in Iraq as part of a comprehensive onslaught on American’s strategic positions across the Middle East.

Twenty-four hours after the embassy blast in Baghdad, Tehran’s surrogate, the Lebanese terrorist Hizballah, began pounding Israeli military positions on Mt Dov and the Hermon. For three hours, Hizballah fired almost every heavy weapon in its arsenal - Katyusha rockets, anti-tank missiles, artillery and mortar shells and heavy machine guns - at Israeli border positions.

But their heaviest fire was concentrated on the Israeli command center known as Position Radar on Mt. Dov for the purpose of piercing its outer defensive fence. It worked and the central section of the position’s defense, command and communications system was struck and badly damaged. Hizballah also turned its long-range artillery on the Golan Heights with deliberate intent. The Druze village of Majd al Shams suffered damage to a house.

DEBKAfile’s Middle East sources point out that the Hizballah is not authorized to carry out attacks on a scale as extensive as this without a very clear directive from the highest levels of government in Tehran and Damascus. Ominous meanings may therefore be read into the timing and targeting of this round of Hizballah strikes.

1. It is a hands-off warning from Tehran to Washington to stop stirring up domestic dissent against the Iranian regime and ease its pressure with regard to Tehran’s nuclear weapons program. It is a reminder that Tehran is capable of activating two anti-American terror fronts, one through al Qaeda in Iraq and a second through the Hizballah against Israel. Tehran’s radicals also believe they command a third potential warfront, the Shiite millions of Iraq.

2. Tehran is boasting that in addition to al Qaeda in Iraq and the Hizballah threatening northern Israel, it commands a third resource capable of damaging American interests – the Assad regime in Damascus. The Hizballah bombardment of the Golan Heights which Israel captured from Syria in the 1967 war signified Damascus’s assent to Hizballah’s incorporation in a Syrian military offensive against Israel staged on the Golan Heights.

3. Syria is already deeply involved in pumping a motley assortment of Arab, Syrian, Palestinian, Egypt, Saudi, Yemen and Sudanese fighters across its border to fight the Americans alongside Saddam Hussein’s supporters. Syrian military intelligence also plays host to al Qaeda terrorists in Damascus and southern Lebanon. Given Syria’s adversarial role in both of the Bush administration’s main conflicts, the Hizballah escalation of violence against Israel rounds off Tehran’s threat to active all three military-terrorist fronts at the same time, along a line running from Baghdad to Israel’s borders with Lebanon and Syria - unless Washington turns the heat down.

Jordan has clearly joined Iran’s list of targets, and not only as an ally of Washington; Zarqawi, sentenced to death in absentia in the kingdom for plotting a series of terrorist strikes in Amman, has a personal score to settle with the Hashemite kingdom.

DEBKAfile’s Middle East and terror analysts conclude that Iran’s offensive has proceeded step by step from the May 12 bombings in Riyadh to the August 7 Jordanian embassy attack in Baghdad and the August 8 Hizballah barrage against Mt Dov. They also believe that this offensive is just starting, taking full advantage of the absence of President George W. Bush from Washington on vacation and the preoccupation of American and Israeli officials with settling the very important issue of the legitimate route for Israel’s anti-terror security barrier.

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=536
34 posted on 08/09/2003 3:41:42 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Jordanian Embassy Bombing and Hizballah Bombardment - Dual Show of Tehran`s Muscle

August 09, 2003
DEBKAfile
DEBKAfile Special Report

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/960950/posts?page=34#34

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35 posted on 08/09/2003 3:43:17 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Could you please limit your pings to once per thread?

If not, please drop me.

Thanks and regards.
36 posted on 08/09/2003 6:20:15 PM PDT by aculeus
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I have a once a day list and a list for those who want to know all the breaking news. People just need to let me know what they want to be put on.
37 posted on 08/09/2003 6:23:18 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: DoctorZIn
I'm praying about this. God has been very generous with my prayer requests lately so hopefully I can do some good. LOL

~Blessings~

38 posted on 08/09/2003 7:12:08 PM PDT by SpookBrat ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish." Mother Teresa)
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"Sigh!!"

--"Safavi is FULL OF SH+T!!

Best (Unbiased) Information Indicates that the Iraqi People Generally Welcome the Americans, & are Quite Ready to assume Their Duties as the "Rulers of" Iraq!

Contrary to Elitist Belief, the PEOPLE of Muslim Nations are QUITE ABLE to Rule Themselves. They Merely Need to Understand that--in Political, Human Affairs--There MUST BE a Framework of Law within which ANY society must operate!!

"Islamic Law,"--Like Christian Commandments--applies to INDIVIDUAL ACTIONS.

"Civil Law" regulates Societal Interactions.

Once the "Adherents of" the Tenets of Either Religion understand that--in Civil Society--"Constitutional Principles" PRECEDE "Religious Precepts," It becomes possible to Construct a Civilization.

Absent a Viable "Civil Law Structure," NO viable political Structure can long endure.

The Disintegration of the Iranian "Theocracy" is a Prime Example of this Thesis!!

Iran's "Theocracy" is based on adherence to Impossible "Absolutes!!"

Such a Government is RIPE for Corruption & Abuse of It's Citizens.

When the Iranian Theocracy Implodes (soon), Horror Stories similar to those told in Iraq will surface.

A Stable Civil Society can NEVER allow ANY "Belief System" to dominate it.

NAZI Germany & the Japanese "Bushido System" should stand as Classic Examples of the Danger of an "Overriding Belief System" Dominating an otherwise Peaceful Society.

Violent Subsets of "Islam" represent the Same Threats to Civilization that "Bushido & Naziism" did a Generation ago.

At Least now, some of us see the Horrific Potential of these misguided Souls; & Most of us agree that the "Leaders" of this Pathology MUST BE ERASED!!

Clearly, Humanity is capable of forming a relatively Peaceful Society--if we FINALLY "Remove" Those Who would Foment Conflict for Their Personal Gain!!

It BEHOOVES US to identify & DESTROY those who foment dissent for Their Personal Aggrandizement.

We Are Better Than That!!!

Doc

39 posted on 08/09/2003 7:58:10 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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Most of the casualties were hit by the exploding bomb car. A wing of the building caved in and caught fire. In a trice, a mob burst into the embassy, tore up the carpets and burnt the pictures of King Abdullah and his father King Hussein in front of television cameras. This was no spontaneous, frenzied mob but a staged scene for circulation around the Arab world’s television screens as a demonstration of how one of America’s closest allies was humiliated. The spectacle contributed little to US reputation in Iraq and even less to the standing of the Hashemite crown in Jordan.

This highlights the need for new leadership in Iran. We are losing the PR game in the Arab world thanks to terrorists who are sheltered in Iran.
40 posted on 08/09/2003 9:01:00 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (Circumstances rule destiny)
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I thought the SMCCDI (Student Movement) press release statement would generate some comments:

"Iranians are preparing themselves for a wide scale revolution.

The need of a radical revolution is gaining momentum and reaching spheres that till now were looking for gradual reforms. "

41 posted on 08/09/2003 9:51:03 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Hi, DrZ. Just catching up...

The SMCCDI press release is awesome!
Things are moving forward...

42 posted on 08/09/2003 10:20:04 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("The Prez is as focused as a doberman on a hambone!"---Dennis Miller)
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This thread is now closed.

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43 posted on 08/10/2003 12:05:57 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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