Bye, Bye Beringia (8,000 Year Old Site In Florida)

"I didn’t fall for replying to an old thread this time."

Aha....the trap was set though.

It's pretty obvious now, modern man has totally underestimated early man. But we remain so sactimonious. That's down right silly.

I think it relates to the Darwinian assumption that the most recent form of something is the most advanced.

Anyone who considers what might remain of current human culture should there be a major bottle necking event (near ELE) would postulate that the truth is far more complex. Extrapolate the behaviours of different subgroups of even Americans now, isolated for a few hundred to a thousand years, and I think the results would vary widely in terms of cultural retention, development, and technological level, and perhaps even survival as a discrete population, due to intermingling or extinction.

Even an egalitarian culture can have homicides. All the motivations present in modern humans, jealousy, envy, greed, anger, and more still applied. Human nature is human nature, pretty much whenever.

Ice age cultures would have largely settled in coastal areas, just as our populations tend to be distributed now. Sea level rise would have put those cultural remains under water, for the most part, at the bottom of drowned river valleys (now tidal estuaries) and on the Continental shelf.

The remains we find from that period are those inland dwellers and those along flowing rivers above the fall line and on what would have been high ground during the Ice Ages. If population distribution was then as it is now, most remains would be under water, but the 'flyover country' remains would survive, if they have not been obliterated by more recent construction--which is entirely likely because those same sites (river confluences, large lakes) would appeal to modern man as a place to live, trade, and prosper.

The trick is to find places where there were desirable inland sites during the Ice Age which are no longer as desirable now, due to changing geomorphology or otherwise. That's where the blanks will get filled in.

" Sea level rise would have put those cultural remains under water, for the most part, at the bottom of drowned river valleys (now tidal estuaries) and on the Continental shelf."

I've read that the Nile Valley leading into the ocean would have looked like the Grand Canyon during the Ice Age.

The Chesapeake and Potomac estuaries would likely have looked similar. If I get time, maybe I’ll poke around Lake Agassiz’ shorelines on Google Earth. There should be something in the vicinity, there. If I could find the Ancestral Yellowstone/Missouri channel, there might be something palimpsest by the last glaciation there, but chances are anything would have been obliterated. You never know, and you can’t find it if you don’t look.

Exactly, what occurred to me was this antler injury could have just as easily been inflicted by the original owner of said antler, a big angry buck deer.

True, I was think that, too...

This needs a bump.

"This needs a bump."

Thanks. We come by every couple years.

'Unprecedented' Native American Burial Site Discovered In Gulf Of Mexico Off Florida

The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine
in the History of Civilization
by Richard Firestone,
Allen West, and
Simon Warwick-Smith

What about the Bog People of Denmark?

I would like to be addled.

I mean, added. ;)

2022 bump.

This topic was posted 8/11/2003, thanks blam, good idea!

The rest of the Across_Atlantic_Ice keyword, sorted:

Distinctive Projectile Point Technology Sheds Light on Peopling of the Americas [07/16/2018]
Austin-area dig gives rare clues to how people lived 16,000 years ago [05/15/2018]
Finding the first Americans [11/10/2017]
When Did Humans Come to the Americas? [01/27/2013]
Younger Dryas -The Rest of the Story! [06/21/2012]
New evidence suggests Cabot may have known of New World before voyage [05/07/2012]
America 'discovered by Stone Age hunters from Europe' [02/28/2012]
Ancestry of polar bears traced to Ireland [07/07/2011]
15,000-year-old campsite in Texas challenges conventional story of American settlement [03/25/2011]
First Americans arrived as 2 separate migrations, according to new genetic evidence [01/09/2009]
Texas Archaeological Dig Challenges Assumptions About First Americans [07/03/2008]
First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia.... [07/03/2008]
Americas Settled 15,000 Years Ago, Study Says [03/13/2008]
Does Skull Prove That The First Americans Came From Europe? [11/24/2007]
Constructing The Solutrean Solution [08/28/2007]
Did comet start deadly cold snap? [05/16/2007]
Experts doubt Clovis people were first in Americas [02/23/2007]
Penon Woman [12/17/2006]
NOVA | Mystery of the Megaflood | PBS [05/13/2006]
Archaeologist says Va. bolsters claim on how people got to America [ Solutrean ] [05/10/2006]
First Americans May Have Been European [02/19/2006]
Stone Age Columbus [12/15/2005]
Catastrophic Flooding From Ancient Lake May Have Triggered Cold Period [12/18/2004]
The Solutrean Solution--Did Some Ancient Americans Come from Europe? [09/24/2004]
Stone Age Columbus - Questions And Answers [08/22/2004]
'First Americans' May Be Johnnies-Come-Lately (Topper Site) [08/22/2004]
Myth of the Hunter-Gatherer [08/13/2004]
Island Hopping To A New World [02/18/2004]
Iberia, Not Siberia [12/21/2003]
Rediscovering America. (The New World May Be 20,000 Years Older Than Experts Thought) [12/10/2003]
Immigrants From The Other Side (Clovis Is Solutrean?) [11/02/2003]
Skulls Found In Mexico Suggest Early Americans Would Have Said 'G'Day Mate' [09/03/2003]
European DNA Found In 7-8,000 Year Old Skeleton In Florida (Windover) [08/14/2003]
Discovery casts doubt on Bering land bridge theory [08/04/2003]
PEOPLING OF THE AMERICAS: [07/25/2003]
First Americans [07/15/2003]
Vintage Skulls [02/22/2003]
Kenosha Dig Points to Europe as Origin of First Americans [03/04/2002]
Calico: A 200,000-year Old Site In The Americas? [12/17/2001]
The First Americans May Have Come By Water [12/10/2001]
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I still think Stanford and Bradley are right.

i wonder why DNA tests were not conducted specifically for that confirmation. or ... were they and they are purposely silent on the issue!!

that would really throw a wrench in the “White man stole from the Indians” crowd...

I just googled images off of your “megalithic remains off Okinawa” and if that guy said the were natural underwater remnants, lol... then he aint got no business in the business!!