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To: ArneFufkin
"The thugs are thugs, they're thugging up the Palestinians and Baghdad denizens with their thuggery, they're not inspiring loyalty and support from their mission. They're inspiring primal survival options at the end of a gun barrell. "

Well said and true.

"The Palestinian Authority is the only entity that can root out Hamas and the other criminal killers lurking in the 'hood. The Israelis can never identify, locate and arrest or kill the bad guys. Impossible. As we Americans, in Baghdad, can never locate all the Baathist and Fedayeen scum going door to door. We need the community to point us to the right doors, and that's happening. It'll happen in the West Bank tenaments too, but it'll be PA security guys taking the garbage out. Or there's no end to the terror"

Also well said and true. Surprisingly few people seem to understand that though. Nor do they understand that of the PA DOESN'T take the garbage out, and there's no end to the terror after Palestine becomes an independent state, there will be hell to pay under international law.

The president is forcing various organizations to suit action to rhetoric in this, and they're aware they line they walk is very fine.

46 posted on 08/16/2003 3:42:35 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cake_crumb
I consider George W. Bush a remarkable man of vision and human insight.

People rag here about Colin Powell, how he's watering down our policies and undermining the President. NO WAY. Colin Powell is perfectly in synch with the strategy, tactics and objectives. He has a job, that job is to be a diplomat. President Bush is unhesitant to permit Colin Powell to play the role of the mediating statesman, the adult among cowboys, the sophisticated governing element in a War crazy frathouse.

Bush positions him in that way. Every time Powell is perceived to be at odds with unilateral and forceful American prerogative, he gains standing and negotiating leverage among the State Department lifers (who can't do anything for you, but sure can do bad things TO you) and among the European bon vivants who think his judgements more valid, wise and worthy of support. Powell gets authority and leverage by appearing to be a foil to Bush to the 5th Column State Department functionaries and the International Diplomatic community. But, Powell works with Bush, he works FOR Bush, and he is an advisor and a dutiful executor of President Bush's directives. No doubt in my mind.

Bush does this constantly. From day one of his tenure till 9/11, he worked to bolster the credibility of Vincente Fox in his hostile and tenuous political position in Mexican politics. He wanted Fox to look independent, strong and dedicated to Mexico's autonomy and national interests. Bush did it to strengthen a critically vital ally and neighbor at a seminal time in their history. People here went nutzoid that Bush was selling out the USA to the Mexicans, but in reality, we can't address the immigration surge without the partnership of a strong, forceful Mexican leader to attack the Corrupt Federales and State sanctioned LEOs in border States.

Bush likes Fox, IMO. Meeting with him, now, gives Fox no boost because Bush can't play anything but a hardass on Domestic Security issues. Bush likes Putin, he considers Putin a partner, and Putin needs autonomy from the USA to maintain HIS political standing. Guaranteed, however, under the radar, Putin is giving us everything he can. Bush likes Abdullah from Saudi Arabia, he brought him to the Ranch. That was a signal ... Saudis are allies, these guys are helping us. Bush likes and trusts Masharraf. He likes and trusts the leaders of Italy, Jordan, Spain, Australia, Poland, Phillipenes, Indonesia and Colombia. He is whatever Tony Blair needs him to be as long as it doesn't hurt American standing. He understands political imperatives specific to nations, and he wants to make the people he trusts and values secure and strong. He likes Sharon, he trusts Mahmoud Abbas and fully realizes the limitations he is constrained by.

He hates Schroeder, Chirac, Chetrien and the guys running Brazil, Argentina and Egypt. He distrusts the Chinese leadership profoundly. The Scandinavians, excluding the Danes, don't exist.

If Bush meets with a leader, if he invites them here, that guy or gal is our teammate and we'll go to the wall to make them shine as equals to the American President in seriousness, influence and standing.

Bush didn't give McCain ONE bit of limelight on the CFR. He hasn't met with the NAACP or Jesse Jackson or at the request of the Congressional Black Caucus. He's frozen Daschele out of the spotlight he seized after those Congressional/WH breakfasts. He never thought of dumping a staffer for that 16 word non-issue. He sure did dump that turncoat Treasury Secretary, he sure did stiff arm the Army General Staff flotsam left over from the Clinton kindergarten, he won't let Cheney twist in Henry Waxman and Richard Shelby's intestinal gas, when somebody told him there was a big to do because Rumsfeld just called France and Germany "Old Europe", Bush looked up from his papers and said "Good."

Rummy's got unlimited proxy.

48 posted on 08/16/2003 4:22:56 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: cake_crumb
and there's no end to the terror after Palestine becomes an independent state, there will be hell to pay under international law.

Not only that, but the fact that there is a state, with defined borders and soverign virtue and a community with a shared experience and investment in the future ... is an automatic mitigator of terror. States are real, they have emotional appeal to the residents, and they have a vested interest in the maintanence and care of their "thing".

The Palestinian settlements are breeding grounds for terrorist operations, there's no sense of community threat or loss when mass murder of another countries innocents is staged and initiated from your neighborhood. It's not YOURS.

If it was Palestine, if it was your country and your people and your land as a Palestinian, now that guy who is trespassing on your street, plotting mayhem and recruiting murderers is a THREAT to your home, your tribe.

That's the imperative of a Palestinian State. Palestinians will protect their tribe, their turf. That's why Al Qaida flourished in Afghanistan, Sudan and Rugged Pakistan. Those nations had no sense of something to lose.

52 posted on 08/16/2003 5:45:13 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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