To: nobdysfool; Cvengr; drstevej
***Then perhaps you aren't saved yet.***
395 posted on 08/17/2003 11:11 PM EDT by Cvengr (0:^))
You know, after watching this pompous peacock for a while, it is quite evident that his pride as got the best of him. The thing is that, with is refusal to acknowledge that he was clearly wrong for challenging your salvation from your orthodox confession and apologize, all he seems to be revealing is that he may be the one who is self-deceived.
Personally, I'd advise you to let 1 Co 5:11 guide you for Cvengr's slander against you.
posted on 09/05/2003 6:28:04 AM PDT
(Recognize that all true Christians will be Calvinists in glory,...)
Woody, you may want to go back and read the entire thread in context and also place the 'quoted' post in context of the post itself.
There was a situation where things eternal, of the spirit, were being discerned and one party had argued that truthfully a situation arose (yet from the spirit would not be considered true) speaking from a soulish perspective, not paying attention or perhaps not even aware of things of the spirit.
There's only 2 options to explain this if the person was truthful.
One option is that the person who sincerely believes something is true, but not cognizant of the spirit, is indeed perhaps not yet saved.
The second option is that they are saved, but have fallen in sin and not yet confessed or repented that sin, consequently, although indwelt by the Holy Spirit, not filled with the Spirit. Again, the person's perspective of truth might also omit things of the spirit.
The remainder of post #395 on that thread explained that. Numerous other posts on that thread tried to explain that and were written with attempt after attempt not to condone contrived argument or repay evil with evil.
I haven't judged anybody elses salvation.
Even if a man does that (Other than Christ in His Divinity), it would be immaterial, without effect, lacking any force, impotent, and mute. So even if somebody sincerely believes they have been affronted, if indeed saved or in fellowship with Him, there would be no impact or affront or offense even received.
This is why those words were chosen. If I had suggested he was fallen away, he naturally from a soulish perspective would have taken the defensive.
I could have assumed he was lying, but that I felt was unneccessary and perhaps a false assumption, so I gave a benefit of doubt that he was truthful. One option he would reject and I would only give him cause to remain reprobate. The only other option was to remark a possibility, which if saved, he obviously would understand to not be true, but would query how such a position could be held. The only answer would be the recognition of a degenerate state and a Spirit led desire to return to Him.
If this doesn't happen, that's always between him and God. Nobody else.
Now why would any other person attempt to encourage any other behavior?
posted on 09/05/2003 6:54:35 AM PDT
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