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Yes Rush, itís true: RNC chief rejects GOP traditions (follow-up Union Leader editorial)
Manchester Union Leader ^ | 9-3-03 | Editorial oard, Manchester Union Leader

Posted on 09/03/2003 4:08:24 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative

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To: ImpBill
Gillispie is already backtracking.

How is he "backtracking". It seems that the Union-Leader is the one who got caught practicing New York Times journalism, with their first editorial with no quotes, this second editorial with phrases in quotes.

How come the Union-Leader is afraid to publish the whole interview?

21 posted on 09/03/2003 4:42:01 AM PDT by Dane
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Here's the original editorial that was refered to:
GOP, MIA: Taking the road most traveled
This editorial originally appeared Sunday, Aug. 31.
HAD THERE been any doubts about the direction the Republican Party is headed, they vanished last week when Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie visited New Hampshire.

During a cheerful and pleasant meeting (that’s the kind of guy Gillespie is) at The Union Leader offices, the party’s new chairman, energetic and full of vigor, said in no uncertain terms that the days of Reaganesque Republican railings against the expansion of federal government are over.

No longer does the Republican Party stand for shrinking the federal government, for scaling back its encroachment into the lives of Americans, or for carrying the banner of federalism into the political battles of the day.

No, today the Republican Party stands for giving the American people whatever the latest polls say they want. The people want the federal government to tell states how to run local schools? Then that’s what the Republican Party wants, too. The people want expanded entitlement programs and a federal government that attends to their every desire, no matter how frivolous? Then that’s what the Republican Party wants, too.

The party’s unofficial but clear message to conservatives is: Where else are you going to go? To the Democrats? To the Libertarians? They don’t think so.

This is scarey stuff! Nothing in here is a direct quote... but rather seems to be the editorilists interpretation of what was said. I do think a response from the GOP is in order before we panic.... or at least an unedited transcript from the interview so we can see for ourselves what was really said.
22 posted on 09/03/2003 4:43:43 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: Dane
Kristol has said the same thing in print. The republican party we grew up in no longer exists. Hasn't for a long time.
23 posted on 09/03/2003 4:48:21 AM PDT by steve50 (Power takes as ingratitude the writhing of it's victims : Tagore)
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To: steve50
IT IS TIME TO TAKE BACK THE PARTY. THIS MEANS WAR.
24 posted on 09/03/2003 5:06:07 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: steve50
Kristol has said the same thing in print. The republican party we grew up in no longer exists. Hasn't for a long time

Now this is going from the sublime to the absurd, when the malcontents start using Kristol, who is a McCain backer.

25 posted on 09/03/2003 5:06:15 AM PDT by Dane
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To: GraniteStateConservative; xzins
I don't remember anyone ever asking this Republican if a "slower rate of growth of the Federal government" is what I want.

"Slower rate of growth"?

How about a wholescale roll-back, way back, that is what I want.

26 posted on 09/03/2003 5:06:44 AM PDT by Jerry_M (I can only say that I am a poor sinner, trusting in Christ alone for salvation. -- Gen. Robt E. Lee)
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To: Jerry_M
"move 'em back...move 'em back....WAYYYYY BAAACK!"

Good Christian Cheer at the start of football season.

27 posted on 09/03/2003 5:08:43 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning Was the Word!)
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To: Renfield
The new republicans like powerful central goverment, as long as it uses the power to beat the other side over the head.

I gave up on em after CFR. Only way to fix the party is to leave it.

28 posted on 09/03/2003 5:09:38 AM PDT by steve50 (Power takes as ingratitude the writhing of it's victims : Tagore)
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To: Wrigley
Thinkers know that ALL politics is religious.

Relig. conservatives have supported the Repubs for years and have NOTHING to show for it.

Abortion: no progress. In fact, regression.

Judges: not only is there no progress, there is no willingness to fight for constructionist judges, AND there is a "no religious need apply" line on the application forms.

Culture: continued state hostility to things religious.

Education: no advancement at fed level (any level?) for tax relief to parents sending their kids to private religious education.

Morality: continued state approved enforcement and funding of a homosexual culture on the rest of the nation.

I could go on.

The "Log Cabins" have their caucus. It's time for the religious conservatives to group together.

"The Valley Forge Republicans"

29 posted on 09/03/2003 5:11:07 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning Was the Word!)
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To: xzins
amen
30 posted on 09/03/2003 5:12:01 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Jerry_M
How about a wholescale roll-back, way back, that is what I want

Oh you mean like Ronald Reagan did(he didn't, government grew) also do you want a tax hike like Reagan signed in 82?

I know, I know you are going to say that the Pubbies didn't have the House when Reagan was President. If you knew your history, it was the boll weevil democrats in the House who gave Reagan the tax cuts. In the 82 midterms the Pubbies lost 26 seats in the House, thus negating the boll weevil democrats.

In 2003, we have a an evenly divided Senate and a House with a small Pubbie majority.

JMO, but it would do you good to look back in history, rather than knee jerkingly rant.

31 posted on 09/03/2003 5:14:14 AM PDT by Dane
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To: WhiteGuy
It is not past time because of the size of the religious base that has thrown their support toward the republicans over the last few decades.

In many ways, they ARE the Republican Party.

32 posted on 09/03/2003 5:15:12 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning Was the Word!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
From the Limbaugh letter online:

After I finished broadcasting today, Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie called the EIB Network. He wanted to talk to me about this Manchester Union Leader report alleging that he'd rejected smaller government in a meeting with the paper's editorial board. During the show I'd said that this story had "taken the wind out of my sails," and needless to say this caused rumblings of displeasure out there. I was unable to take Ed's call, but I asked that his message be relayed to me because I wanted to share it with you here on the site tonight.
The message I received from the person who spoke to Gillespie's assistant Jim Dyke stated that Ed met with the Editorial Board, and because Ed would not commit to "shutting down the Department of Education" or "absolutely rejecting a drug benefit," the Editorial page editors took it as an abandonment of Reaganesque smaller government. Gillespie also took my point that there weren’t any quotes and appreciates that I left it open to interpretation. Jim said Ed is still committed to smaller government as he was a principal mover/shaker on Contract with America, etc.
I gave Gillespie the benefit of the doubt throughout Tuesday's show - and I want all of you to do the same. Please do not call the RNC and harass them over this. (I have always urged people not to do that in circumstances like this.) I will be talking to Ed in the next few days and will report on that conversation here on the website so as to keep you all up to speed. I dedicated a lot of Tuesday's program to this story, because it reported Gillespie saying "in no uncertain terms that the days of Reaganesque Republican railings against the expansion of federal government are over. No longer does the Republican Party stand for shrinking the federal government, for scaling back its encroachment into the lives of Americans, or for carrying the banner of federalism into the political battles of the day."

I don't believe Gillespie said what the Union Leader claims. However, where is the proof that this administration or any republican run government is reducing the size and scope of government?

33 posted on 09/03/2003 5:17:24 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: Revelation 911; xzins
Before you two "true blue social conservatives" go spastic over your rants, you may want to check this thread.

Republican majority may hasten ban on 'partial-birth' abortions

34 posted on 09/03/2003 5:18:26 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
I would like to see original quotes. I'm not saying it isn't true (and if it is, Gillespie should be thrown out), but we need to see quotes. The Union Leader has it's own agenda.
35 posted on 09/03/2003 5:20:43 AM PDT by I still care
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To: Dane
Let's see, we've had the majority for over a year, and they're talking about "hastening" the ban on partial-birth abortions?

Seriously, Dane. If Ed Gillespie is any kind of operator at all, he recorded his own session with the Union Leader(?). Do you think he'll post it to his website?

Religious Conservative Caucus within the Repub. Party.....makes sense.

Have you seen the picture of Washington Praying at Valley Forge?

36 posted on 09/03/2003 5:24:43 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning Was the Word!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
“Those questions have been decided,” was his response. The public wants an expanded federal role in those areas, and the Republican Party at the highest levels has decided to give the public what it wants. "


The joke of the new world order conservative (spend a lot like a democrat,i.e.,do little as possible,talk like you will really do the things you promise) steals America's future and freedoms (and that for the sake of re-election), has now spread to the Pubbie's.
I recognized that something was wrong with the once conservative party when all the people who ran it were nothing but liberals .
Does anyone know of a new conservative party that will stand on the conservative platform (that the pubbie's have abandoned in their foolishness) and defend and represent all the good things that America needs?
Or is the one world socialist order going to cause all nations to war against one another and God's anointed one, Jesus Christ our Lord.
37 posted on 09/03/2003 5:28:29 AM PDT by wgeorge2001 ("The truth will set you free.")
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To: xzins
Let's see, we've had the majority for over a year, and they're talking about "hastening" the ban on partial-birth abortions?

Yep the demos are filabustering it.

You see now we have a President who will actually sign a PBA ban.

When Clinton was President the demos knew he would veto it, but demos in conservative states could vote for it and say they were for a PBA ban. The demo leadership just had to make sure the veto couldn't be overridden, when Clinton was in office.

You see it is called politics and there is stategery at every turn and spastic rants may make you feel good, they do nothing to help your cause.

BTW, why is the Union-Leader not releasing the unedited transcript of the interview. You would think if they wanted to be fair and balanced they would, instaed of throwing out phrases of quotes and giving interpretations to them.

38 posted on 09/03/2003 5:34:22 AM PDT by Dane
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To: steve50
"The new republicans like powerful central goverment, as long as it uses the power to beat the other side over the head.
I gave up on em after CFR. Only way to fix the party is to leave it."


Absolutely correct. The pubs are taking the place of the socialist democrats as they move toward communism; we need a new conservative party in America that will represent the original conservative values and the party platform vacated by the pubs.


39 posted on 09/03/2003 5:38:03 AM PDT by wgeorge2001 ("The truth will set you free.")
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To: Renfield; steve; ROCKLOBSTER; Dane; GraniteStateConservative
In some recent correspondance with fellow Republicans, a few of them expressed sentiments that if this editorial actually is a genuine representation of the Republican Party's official attitude (and the jury is still out on that count, BTW), then they will leave the Party.

FWIW, here is an exerpt of my response to them.
Please let me know if you think I'm being out of line or over the top with these sentiments, as this sort of thing tends to get me a little worked up, if you know what I mean.

And I'm not always as diplomatic as I probably should be when I'm wroth.




"Political Siberia" (Edited):

"It seems that one of Gillespie's flunkies called Rush right after his show today to do some frantic backpeddaling - it seems that this article raised the hackles of a lot more conservatives out in flyover country than the RNC might remember even exists in America, and their little country-club golf shorts are just a-smokin'!

This has the potential for getting interesting, eh?

As you might tell from my FR posting, I really don't see any hope in a 3rd Party any time soon.

My theory is that the Socialists are doing with the Republican party exactly what they did to the Democrat Party about 25 years ago; they gradually infiltrate the organization, pile on, and take over control.

Then they use that organization to advance their global socialist agenda and sap the culture's resources untill they have ruined both the organization and the economy, then destroy it and move on to the next crucial institution in their targeted society. Sort of like how a virus operates on a cellular level.

So the only hope for American Culture, heritage, and Liberty in my humble opinion is to take our Party BACK from the usurpers and parasites.

I have no intention of quitting the Republican Party, darn it; it used to be OUR Party, and those who seek to hijack it and steer it down the commodal vortex of moral and ideological oblivion are going to have to put up with every smouldering cinder of Yankee Baptist Hellfire and brimstone I can summon to drop down the back of their shorts while they're doing it, or they will have to throw me bodilly out or carry my cold inanimate corpse out in a rubber bag!

We have nothing less than Liberty to lose, and I for one have no intention of surrendering that precious blood-won legacy to any quislings of tyranny with anything akin to quiet, peaceful resignation!
...

Do you think that the (local Republican) Committee has been marginalized by the "proper" Republicans in this (Community) because we are "too conservative"?

I can't help but wonder.

Being the least bit pro-Life can get us stationed in political Siberia quicker than anything else I know.

Cooperation with the Country-Club "Moderates" seems to be pretty unlikely, (Lord knows we've tried) so about all we can do it seems is annoy them as best we can and watch our Candidates lose.
That s(tinks)s, of course - I really wish someone could come up with a better way of doing things, don't you?

...The Democrats in this (Southern Maine Community) probably find us somewhat amusing, if they even notice our existance much at all."

Uncle Jaque
Republican Activist / Agitator
People's Republik of Maine
40 posted on 09/03/2003 5:39:00 AM PDT by Uncle Jaque ("Rock of Ages; Cleft for me; Let me hide myself in Thee...")
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