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US has failed in Iraq, says (German Foreign Minister)Fischer (EUROWEENIE BARF ALERT!)
Expatica ^ | 9/9/03

Posted on 09/10/2003 11:41:37 AM PDT by areafiftyone

BERLIN - German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer asserted Wednesday that US policy in Iraq had failed while calling for German-American ties to be redefined on the basis of equal partners.

"The American domino theory under which a liberated Iraq was supposed to stabilise the Middle East and democratise one country after another has not proven right," said Fischer in an interview with the news magazine Stern.

He added: "The decisive question now is whether a strategy which has not worked will be replaced by one that can."

Fischer said Germany wanted a swift handover of sovereignty in Baghdad to Iraqi nationals and the United Nations. Moderate Arab and Islamic states must also be involved in stabilising Iraq, he said.

European states would hammer out a new plan for Iraq within the coming two months, Fischer said without giving any further details.

While insisting transatlantic ties remained important, Fischer said in a separate speech to parliament that things would have to change between Berlin and Washington.

"This means we must approach one another as partners," said Fischer, adding that Germany needed to hold a fundamental debate about the future of transatlantic ties.

Berlin would insist on a new multilateralism in global politics, said the minister.

Ties between Germany and the United States have soured over the Iraq war which German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and Fischer strongly opposed.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fischer; foreignminister; german; germany; iraq; joschkafischer
Sorry guys but Bush doesn't lick your boots like Clinton did!
1 posted on 09/10/2003 11:41:38 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
"The American domino theory under which a liberated Iraq was supposed to stabilise the Middle East and democratise one country after another has not proven right," said Fischer in an interview with the news magazine Stern.

I mean it's been a whole 5 months and the haven't fixed the entire middle east yet. What a dismal failure.

Howard Stern has a news magazine?

2 posted on 09/10/2003 11:44:19 AM PDT by Lost Highway
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To: Lost Highway
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3 posted on 09/10/2003 11:44:47 AM PDT by Lost Highway
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To: areafiftyone
>Sorry guys but Bush doesn't lick your boots like Clinton did!

That because Joshka Fischer's boots too busy are kicking the head of a cop during a riot he instigated.

4 posted on 09/10/2003 11:44:59 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: areafiftyone
By going to the UN, he's already agreed to. "Young lady, we've already established exactly what you are - now we're just haggling about the price."
5 posted on 09/10/2003 11:45:45 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (Inconceivable!)
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To: areafiftyone
As soon as they field a military and an economy equal to ours, maybe we will consider it.

Their army is a bunch of unionized old men who can't keep up with our young snakeaters, they can field one tank to our 20, and their navy is a joke.

They had better hope that their economy takes off in warp drive to afford their socialist pension scheme as all their loafers retire in the next 2o years.

What a freakin' joke!
6 posted on 09/10/2003 11:48:57 AM PDT by montomike
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To: areafiftyone
"The American domino theory under which a liberated Iraq was supposed to stabilise the Middle East and democratise one country after another has not proven right," said Fischer, a former Red Brigade/Bader Meinhoff veteran.

"During my tour of duty with the units above, we were very successful in working the domino theory against innocent bankers, businesmen and other innocent bystanders", said Fischer.

7 posted on 09/10/2003 11:51:24 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: areafiftyone
The euroweenies sure no how to shoot themselves in the foot.
8 posted on 09/10/2003 11:52:41 AM PDT by Dane
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To: marron
Someone from the Bush Admin should say to the media.:

"We are not returning to the corrupt and oppressive Food for Oil regime. Iraqis deserves sovreignty over their economic lives, and don't need the UN dictating it. The UN is holding billions of dollars of the Iraqi people's money, and that should be released to them."

And such...not that it's going to happen...everyday I see more newspaper articles, more Demo presidential candidates tacitly saying Iraq should be returned to UN economic subjugation. Bush is losing on this point, and the Demos are getting unchallenged reportage.

Whatever happened to those insightful WSJ articles about the UN and Food for Oil? shouldn't they be revved up again?

IMO Bush's "out" on this one is to make it clear that Chriac and Schroeder are acting to protect their economic interests, and that the well-being of the Iraqi people is distant from their concerns.

9 posted on 09/10/2003 11:52:49 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: areafiftyone
Germany will never be equal to the United States; were it not for our sense of goodness in '45 they would be just another third world nation trying to get the plumbing to work. Factor in that Germany has pandered to terrorists for more than 30 years going back to Munich and they will never come close to being America's equal. Tough nut to swallow for our "allies" but the truth hurts!
10 posted on 09/10/2003 11:55:31 AM PDT by God luvs America
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To: areafiftyone
Time to put our equal partner down for a nap. They're getting a little cranky and delusional.
11 posted on 09/10/2003 12:02:41 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Fight Czarism in America!)
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To: areafiftyone
Joschka Fisher, what an interesting guy. The Germans elected a TERRORIST as their foreign minister!

Piasa's Joschka Fischer timeline, assembled from various sources :

1969 : (ALGIERS : GERMAN REVOLUTIONARY STRUGGLE FOUNDER & FUTURE FOREIGN MINISTER FISCHER MEETS WITH PLO) In 1969, you, Joschka Fischer attended the meeting of the Palestinian Liberation Organization in which the PLO resolved that its ultimate aim was the extinction of Israel--that is to say, the extinction or expulsion of the Jews of Israel. - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

1970s early : (GERMANY : RED ARMY ASSOCIATE SCHILLER LIVES IN REVOLUTIONARY STRUGGLE HOUSE OF THE REVOLUTIONARY STRUGGLE, FOUNDED BY COHN-BENDIT & FISCHER) Future German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer harbored Red Army Faction members in the Frankfurt safehouse. Red Army associate Margrit Schiller, who had served jail time for her connections to the Red Army Faction,'' had in her memoirs ``plainly stated that she had spent a `few days' in the early 1970s living in the Revolutionary Struggle house.'' - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

1970s : (FISCHER BELONGED TO A FRANKFURT/MAIN TERRORIST GROUP) According to testimony after Carlos was arrested by the DST, German journalist Bettina Roehl (daughter of the late Ulrike Meinhof, co-leader of the terrorist Baader-Meinhof organization) revealed that Fischer did indeed belong to a Frankfurt/Main terrorist group during the 1970s. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1970s : (FISCHER, WHO WOULD LATER BECOME GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER, ASSOCIATED WITH RED ARMY FACTION IN FRANKFURT/MAIN, AND HAD THROWN ROCKS AT WEST GERMAN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS) Veteran German terrorist Margrit Schiller asserted in her book Es war ein harter Kampf um meine Erinnerung that in the 1970s, Fischer had been in contact with illegal members of the Red Army Faction (RAF) in Frankfurt/Main (a terrorist organization my DIE station was at the time supporting with information and money), and that he had thrown stones at representatives of West Germany's pro-American government. Once again, Fisher has denied both accusations. But Schiller, who in the 1970s belonged to the RAF, remembers staying in 1973 at the Frankfurt apartment of "Herr Fischer and Daniel Cohn-Bendit," having breakfast with Fischer, and going on a pub crawl with him. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1970s : (SOVIET KGB & ROMANIAN DIE FUND ANTI-AMERICAN DEMONSTRATIONS IN WEST GERMANY) It may never be possible to prove "beyond the shadow of a doubt" Joschka Fischer's connection with the Soviet KGB, but I , General Ion Mihai Pacepa , do know that the KGB — and my DIE — was financing West Germany's anti-American terrorist movements in the 1970s, while I was still in Romania. Fischer's evidently ingrained anti-Americanism is now spreading throughout the German government, and beyond. This is a monumental display of ingratitude to the 405,399 American soldiers who gave their lives to defeat Berlin's old Axis, as well as to the millions of American taxpayers who spent trillions of dollars to rebuild Germany's war-torn economy and to protect West Germany from falling into Communist clutches. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1972 : (GERMANY : REVOLUTIONARY CELLS PARTICIPATED IN MURDER OF ISRAELI ATHLETES IN MUNICH OLYMPICS) - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

1973 : (FISCHER, WHO WOULD LATER BECOME GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER, ASSOCIATED WITH AND HARBORED RED ARMY FACTION) But Schiller, who in the 1970s belonged to the RAF (Red Army Faction) , later recalle din her book that she had stayed in 1973 at the Frankfurt apartment of "Herr Fischer and Daniel Cohn-Bendit," having breakfast with Fischer, and going on a pub crawl with him. In October 2002, Fischer was asked by a German prosecutor about this statement — but he dodged the question, replying simply that his flat had not been a hostel for terrorists. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

APRIL 1973 : (GERMANY : JOSCHKA FISCHER AND OTHER RADICALS VICIOUSLY BEAT A YOUNG POLICE OFFICER) - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

APRIL 7, 1973 : (FISCHER, WHO WOULD ONE DAY BECOME FOREIGN MINISTER OF GERMANY, WAS PHOTOGRAPHED WITH CARLOS' THE JACKAL'S DEPUTY, KLEIN, BEATING A GERMAN POLICE OFFICER) After Carlos was arrested by the DST, German journalist Bettina Roehl (daughter of the late Ulrike Meinhof, co-leader of the terrorist Baader-Meinhof organization) revealed that Fischer did indeed belong to a Frankfurt/Main terrorist group during the 1970s. She also provided pictures showing a helmeted Fischer beating a German police officer during an April 7, 1973, violent demonstration in Frankfurt/Main. The pictures show Fischer fighting side by side with Klein, Carlos's deputy in the 1975 attack on the OPEC headquarters in Vienna. In 2002, after these photographs had been authenticated by the German daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Fischer publicly apologized to the beaten police officer. Bettina Roehl also disclosed that Fischer had been the main advocate of using petrol bombs in a 1976 demonstration in which a policeman almost died of terrible burns. This information was also vehemently denied by the German foreign minister. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1974 : (FISCHER, WHO WOULD LATER BECOME GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER, OPENLY DEFENDS THE USE OF VIOLENCE AGAINST WEST GERMAN OFFICIALS) A 1997 semi-official biography of Joschka Fischer, by Sibylle Krause-Burger, indirectly confirms that Fischer was also involved in hurling stones at West German authorities. These were not spontaneous demonstrations — they were all financed by the Soviet bloc foreign-intelligence community, including my own DIE when I was at its helm. Krause-Burger's book describes how, in a public debate held in 1974 with the Young Socialist functionary Kartsen Voight, Fischer defended throwing stones at the "representatives of the system" as being a legitimate defense against the tyranny of the (West German) government. It is significant that Voight is now responsible for relations with the U.S. in Fischer's ministry of foreign affairs. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1975 : (AUSTRIA : PACEPA, QADDAFI, CEAUSESCU, CARLOS THE JACKAL INVOLVED IN HOSTAGE TAKING IN OPEC HQ) In 1975 Libya's dictator, Colonel Muammar Qaddafi, informed Romania's tyrant, Nicolae Ceausescu — through me, Ion Mihai Pacepa— that he was preparing a terrorist attack against the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), and asked my boss to provide him with blueprints of OPEC's temporary headquarters in Vienna. Ceausescu agreed, and the Romanian espionage service (the DIE) complied. The December 1975 takeover of OPEC's headquarters in Vienna resulted in the seizure of 60 OPEC officials and staff members as hostages. The kidnapping was organized by Qaddafi and the infamous Ilich Ramírez Sánchez — "Carlos" or "the Jackal." - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1975 : (GERMANY : REVOLUTIONARY CELLS MEMBER KLEIN & CARLOS THE JACKAL IN JOINT ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT, KILL THREE) - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

1976 : (GERMANY, FISCHER PARTICIPATES IN PROTEST SUPPORTING THE BAADER-MAINHOF FOUNDER MEINHOF) In 1976, to protest the death in prison of Baader-Meinhof founder Ulrike Meinhof, the future Foreign Minister of Germany, Joschka Fischer, planned and participated in a Frankfurt demonstration in which, New Left historian Paul Berman later wrote, ``somebody tossed a Molotov cocktail at a policeman and burned him nearly to death.'' You were arrested, but not charged.- "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

DECEMBER 17, 1975 : (TERRORISTS MEET AT LIBYAN EMBASSY IN VIENNA TO PLAN OPEC ATTACK) According to Hans Joachim Klein, on December 17, 1975 — four days before the attack — the terrorists led by Carlos had met with officials of the Libyan embassy in Vienna, who provided the blueprints of the building and the security details, which had been passed to them by my DIE. (The DIE had an agent in Vienna who had access to this information.) "The fact that the necessary information about the [OPEC] conference building came from Libya convinced me that the action could be carried out," Klein testified during his trial many years later in 2001. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1976 : (REVOLUTIONARY CELLS HIJACK PLANE TO ENTEBBE) In 1976, seven years after the Joschka Fischer & PLO meeting in Algiers, Revolutionary Cells terrorists led by the Joschka Fischer's Frankfurt colleague, Wilfried Boese, hijacked an Air France plane to Entebbe. The hijackers intended to murder all the Jewish passengers on that flight, but were killed by Israeli commandos. ``Suddenly,'' Berman wrote, ``the implication of anti-Zionism struck home to (Fischer). What did it mean that, back in Algiers in 1969, the PLO, with the young Fischer in attendance, had voted the Zionist entity into extinction? Now he knew what it meant.'' (* my note: supposedly this was Fischer's epiphany and he thought killing Jews was no longer OK... however, he would oppose the war against the anti-Israel Saddam Hussein in 2003. - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

1976 : (FISCHER, WHO WOULD LATER BECOME GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER, ADVOCATED THE USE OF PETROL BOMBS IN DEMONSTRATION WHERE GERMAN POLICE OFFICER WAS NEARLY KILLED BY TERRIBLE BURNS) German journalist Bettina Roehl (daughter of the late Ulrike Meinhof, co-leader of the terrorist Baader-Meinhof organization) later disclosed, after the arrest of Carlos the jackal, that Fischer had been the main advocate of using petrol bombs in a 1976 demonstration in which a policeman almost died of terrible burns. This information was also vehemently denied by the German foreign minister. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

JANUARY 1976 : (QADDAFI SENDS NOTE OF THANKS TO CEAUSESCU FOR HELP IN OPEC ATTACK) Joschka Fischer,who testified as a character witness at Klein's trial in 2001, refuted as "grotesque" the allegation that the arms used in the OPEC attack had been kept in the apartment he shared with Hans Joachim Klein and Daniel Cohn-Bendit (currently a member of the European Parliament). I (Ion Mihai Pacepa) have reason to question Fischer's statement. In a January 1976 thank-you message to Ceausescu — also sent through me — Qaddafi had emphasized that Carlos's OPEC operation would not have been possible without the help of the DIE (which had provided the blueprints of OPEC headquarters) and a "West German revolutionary group in Frankfurt/Main" (which had provided Carlos with both manpower and arms). (In giving me the message, Qaddafi, who knew I had at one time been stationed in Frankfurt/Main as chief of the DIE's West German station, specifically called my attention to the mention of "your" Frankfurt.) - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1979 : (CARLOS THE JACKAL KILLS TWO FRENCH POLICE OFFICERS) - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1997 : (CARLOS THE JACKAL ARRESTED BY FRENCH : SAYS KLEIN WAS ASSISTANT ON OPEC ATTACK IN 1975, HAD HELP OF COHN-BENDIT & FISCHER, LATER TO BE GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER) Carlos (Ilich Ramirez Sanchez) was arrested in Khartoum, Sudan, by the French counterintelligence service (DST), with whose director, Yves Bonnet, I (Ion Mihai Pacepa) had earlier cooperated after leaving Romania. Carlos was immediately taken to Paris, where he was charged with killing two French police officers in 1979; he was sentenced to life in prison. During interrogation, Carlos asserted that his deputy for the OPEC operation had been German terrorist Hans Joachim Klein, codenamed "Angie," who had killed an OPEC security man and an Austrian policeman during that attack. Carlos also testified that the weapons used for the OPEC operation had been kept in an apartment in Frankfurt/Main, where Klein was then living with two other "red revolutionaries" of those days, Daniel Cohn-Bendit and Joschka Fischer. After Carlos was arrested by the DST, German journalist Bettina Roehl (daughter of the late Ulrike Meinhof, co-leader of the terrorist Baader-Meinhof organization) revealed that Fischer did indeed belong to a Frankfurt/Main terrorist group during the 1970s.- "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1998 : (GERMANY : GREEN PARTY GAINS) German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer : The foreign minister of Germany since 1998, when Germany's left-wing Greens Party, of which you are a leader, won enough in the polls to force the Social Democratic Party into the so-called Red-Greens coalition government. - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

OCTOBER 1998 : (JOSCHKA FISCHER BECOMES GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER) - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

2000 : (KLEIN ARRESTED, HAD WORKED WITH CARLOS THE JACKAL IN OPEC ATTACK IN 1975) In 2000, Hans Joachim Klein, who was a fugitive, was also arrested by the French DST. He was deported to Germany, where he was charged with abetting Carlos's OPEC terrorist operation, and he cooperated with the prosecution.- "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

2001 : (GERMANY : REVOLUTIONARY CELLS MEMBER KLEIN TRIED, SEE RED ARMY FACTION, PFLP) In 2001, the German government put on trial your old friend Hans-Joachim Klein, who had been an underground ``soldier'' in the Revolutionary Cells, an ally of the Red Army Faction and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. The Revolutionary Cells helped in the murder of the Israeli Olympic athletes in Munich in 1972, and Klein himself took part in a 1975 joint assassination operation with Carlos the Jackal in which three were killed. During your testimony at Klein's trial, you were accused of having harbored Red Army Faction members in your Revolutionary Struggle house, the Frankfurt center for the group Revolutionary Struggle, which you co-founded with housemate Daniel ``Danny the Red'' Cohn-Bendit. You were forced to admit there was some truth in the accusation after it was revealed, as Berman reported, that Margrit Schiller, ``who had served jail time for her connections to the Red Army Faction,'' had in her memoirs ``plainly stated that she had spent a `few days' in the early 1970s living in the Revolutionary Struggle house.'' (After your testimony, you shook hands with your old terrorist-friend Klein. Sweet.) - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

2001 : (KLEIN TRIED IN CONNECTION WITH 1975 OPEC ATTACK AIDED BY CARLOS THE JACKAL & LIBYA; FISCHER) Klein was sentenced to only nine years in prison, since he had aided investigators. Joschka Fischer,who testified as a character witness at Klein's trial in 2001, refuted as "grotesque" the allegation that the arms used in the OPEC attack had been kept in the apartment he shared with Hans Joachim Klein and Daniel Cohn-Bendit (currently a member of the European Parliament). I (Ion Mihai Pacepa) have reason to question Fischer's statement. In a January 1976 thank-you message to Ceausescu — also sent through me — Qaddafi had emphasized that Carlos's OPEC operation would not have been possible without the help of the DIE (which had provided the blueprints of OPEC headquarters) and a "West German revolutionary group in Frankfurt/Main" (which had provided Carlos with both manpower and arms). (In giving me the message, Qaddafi, who knew I had at one time been stationed in Frankfurt/Main as chief of the DIE's West German station, specifically called my attention to the mention of "your" Frankfurt.) - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

2001 : (GERMANY : BAADER-MEINHOF FOUNDER MEINHOF'S DAUGHTER TOLD THE PRESS THAT JOSCHKA FISCHER WAS THE ONE WHO THREW A FIREBOMB AT A GERMAN POLICEMAN AND NEARLY BURNED HIM TO DEATH) In 2001, Meinhof's daughter, Bettina Rohl (who gave those damning photos to Stern) told the press that you, Joschka Fischer, were responsible for the throwing of that firebomb. Other contemporary witnesses, Berman reported, said that you ``had never ruled out the use of Molotovs and may even have favored it.'' You denied it, for the record. - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

2001 : (GERMANY : STERN MAGAZINE PUBLISHES PHOTOS OF FISCHER BEATING A POLICEMAN) In 2001, Stern magazine published five photographs of the person who was to be German Foreign Minister, Joschka Fischer. in action on April 1973. What these pictures depicted was described by New Left Historian Paul Berman, in a deeply informed 25,000-word article, ``The Passion of Joschka Fischer'' (The New Republic, Sept. 3, 2001). The photos showed you, Mr. Fischer, inflicting a ``gruesome beating'' on a young policeman named Rainer Marx: ``Fischer and other people on the attack, the white-helmeted cop going into a crouch; Fischer's black-gloved fist raised as if to punch the crouching cop on the back; Fischer's comrades crowding around; the cop huddled on the ground, Fischer and his comrades appearing to kick him ...'' As Berman reported, Mr. Fischer, you rose in public life as an important figure in the anti-American, anti-liberal, neo-Marxist, revolution-minded German radical left of the generation of 1968. This was the left that produced and supported the Baader-Meinhof Gang (or Red Army Faction), which, as Berman wrote, ``refrained from nothing,'' including ``kidnappings, bank holdups, murders.'' You were not a terrorist yourself, but you were a good and active friend to terrorists, weren't you, Mr. Fischer? - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

2002 : (FISCHER, WHO WOULD ONE DAY BECOME FOREIGN MINISTER OF GERMANY, APOLOGIZES TO GERMAN POLICE OFFICER HE BEAT IN APRIL 1973 AFTER PHOTOGRAPHS PROVE HE WAS ONE OF THE PERPS) German journalist Bettina Roehl (daughter of the late Ulrike Meinhof, co-leader of the terrorist Baader-Meinhof organization) revealed later that Fischer did indeed belong to a Frankfurt/Main terrorist group during the 1970s. She also provided pictures showing a helmeted Fischer beating a German police officer during an April 7, 1973, violent demonstration in Frankfurt/Main. The pictures show Fischer fighting side by side with Klein, Carlos's deputy in the 1975 attack on the OPEC headquarters in Vienna. In 2002, after these photographs had been authenticated by the German daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Fischer publicly apologized to the beaten police officer. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

OCTOBER 2002 : (FISCHER, WHO WOULD LATER BECOME GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER, IS ASKED ABOUT HIS USE OF HIS FLAT AS A SAFE HOUSE FOR RED ARMY FACTION MEMBERS) In October 2002, Fischer was asked by a German prosecutor about this statement — but he dodged the question, replying simply that his flat had not been a hostel for terrorists. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

FEBRUARY 2003 early : (GERMANY : MUNICH : US SECDEF RUMSFELD FACEOFF WITH GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER FISCHER) (BEG ITAL)``Excuse me. I am not convinced.'' - --German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, lecturing to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld in Munich last week, following Rumsfeld's argument for war against Iraq. Mr. Rumsfeld may have convinced the leaders of 18 European nations, but not you, Mr. Fischer. It's personal. This seems to me the right way to look at it. The question of failing to convince must be seen in the context of (BEG ITAL)who we have failed to convince. Sometimes ``who'' explains ``why.'' - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

FEBRUARY 10, 2003 : (BERLIN-MOSCOW-PARIS AXIS) On February 10, 2003, the government of Germany began building a new, anti-American Berlin-Moscow-Paris Axis. As one of the former Soviet bloc experts on German matters (and chief of a bloc intelligence station in West Germany), I had been waiting for something like that to happen ever since October 1998, when Joschka Fischer became Germany's foreign minister. Fischer is an indirect product of the old anti-American intelligence community to which I once belonged. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

12 posted on 09/10/2003 12:06:04 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: areafiftyone; Shermy
"The American domino theory under which a liberated Iraq was supposed to stabilise the Middle East and democratise one country after another has not proven right," said Fischer in an interview with the news magazine Stern.

Actually, the American domino theory does work, and the proof is right in front of him, from Germany to Moscow, all the dominoes have fallen, and except for Belarus, there isn't a single communist government left in Europe.

The fight isn't over, the fight will never be over, the communists are busily burrowing into the free governments of Europe and Brussels for good measure, but those are dominoes for another day.

13 posted on 09/10/2003 12:08:40 PM PDT by marron
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To: areafiftyone
"The American domino theory under which a liberated Iraq was supposed to stabilise the Middle East and democratise one country after another has not proven right," said Fischer in an interview with the news magazine Stern.

What's the matter little Joachim? Are you scared that you may be eventually proved wrong? Loser!

14 posted on 09/10/2003 12:09:33 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: Lost Highway
Howard Stern has a news magazine?

Stern is a left-of-center German rag.

15 posted on 09/10/2003 12:11:42 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: areafiftyone
Here's a new poll on what the Iraqis themselves are thinking about what's happening in their country (poll conducted by American Enterprise magazine with Zogby assisting).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/979368/posts
16 posted on 09/10/2003 12:14:07 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: areafiftyone
What has Germany done since the Nazis slaughtered 6 million people 60 years ago?
17 posted on 09/10/2003 12:15:15 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Cindy; Howlin; Grampa Dave; Travis McGee; Miss Marple; Lion's Cub; William McKinley
fyi - new timeline on Fischer (See my homepage for more timeline links)
18 posted on 09/10/2003 12:16:04 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: areafiftyone
APRIL 2003 : (GERMAN COMPANY OPTRONIC'S ALUMINUM TUBES LOADED ON FRENCH SHIP UNLOADED IN EGYPT, PERHAPS ON WAY TO N KOREA) The German government has intercepted a shipment of German-made aluminium tubes probably destined for use in North Korea's nuclear programme, according to a German magazine. The weekly magazine Der Spiegel said in its issue due to be published on Monday that 22 tonnes of aluminium tubes, essential in the manufature of enriched uranium, were loaded onto a French ship in Hamburg in early April just as German federal vetoed the shipment. The German government alerted the French authorities, who ordered the ship's captain to unload the containers in Egypt. Officially the tubes were on their way to a Chinese aeronautics company, but according to Der Spiegel Berlin believes this company was a front for North Korea. The German firm's business contact was a North Korean national, it said. The paper said the head of the German company, called Optronic and which is based at Koenigsbronn in southern Germany, had been detained for questioning. The prosecutor's office in Stuttgart confirmed it had opened an investigation into a local firm suspected of contravening foreign trade regulations, but gave no further details. On Thursday, in the first direct high-level contact between the United States and North Korea since the crisis over Pyongyang's nuclear programme erupted last October, North Korea confirmed it possessed nuclear weapons.- "Suspect nuclear-related shipment to NKorea intercepted: report," ABCnewsonline, Australian Broadcasting Corp, http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s840819.htm, April 27, 2003
19 posted on 09/10/2003 12:19:10 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: God luvs America
And you call Europeans arrogant?
20 posted on 09/10/2003 12:22:24 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Cobra64; BOBTHENAILER
The News International (Pakistan) Monday November 11, 2002-- Ramadan 05, 1423 A.H.

Important Notice: Jang Group of Newspapers web site can be accessed only by using http://www.jang.com.pk and http://www.jang-group.com

Germany probes into possible arms sales to Iraq

MUNICH, Germany: Police in the western German cities of Mannheim and Cologne have opened inquiries into a German-Russian businessman suspected of masterminding the illegal supply of weapons to Iraq, weekly news magazine Focus says in its edition due out on Monday.

The businessman, named as Mark V., specialises in selling weapons from former Soviet bloc countries to the Middle East and German investigators suspect him of illegally channelling weapons to Iraq via Jordan, it said. The United Nations slapped an embargo on sales of weapons to Iraq after Baghdad invaded neighbouring Kuwait in 1990.

Mark V., who owns a dental equipment company in the northern city of Hamburg and lives most of the time in South Africa, is already known to the German secret services for having supplied arms to South Africa during the apartheid era, when such sales were banned by the United Nations, Focus said.

The latest police investigation into Mark V's affairs was triggered after they arrested Canadian businessman Arthur Andersen in Pforzheim, western Germany, in August, the weekly said. Andersen, a Russian who acquired Canadian citizenship, is suspected of breaking the law on weapons sales when he supplied European weapons to Jordan, it added. The two men were once business partners and early this year supplied Russian missiles worth 60 million dollars (euros) to Jordan. But they then became rivals, Focus said. Syria will work to lift embargo on Iraq: state media: Syria's state-run media said Sunday Damascus would make "all efforts" to ensure the international embargo imposed on Iraq since 1990 is lifted once arms inspections are completed.

"If the intentions are good, the mission of international arms inspectors to Iraq will finish quickly. It will then be possible to demand a lifting of the sanctions that have hurt the Iraqi people enormously," the Tishrin newspaper wrote.

Syria, which currently holds a seat on the United Nations Security Council, will make "all efforts possible to ensure the lifting of the unjust sanctions imposed on Iraq" since the 1991 Gulf War, the paper added.

The 15-member Security Council voted unanimously Friday to send weapons inspectors into Iraq, backed with a threat of "serious consequences" if Baghdad fails to show it has scrapped his weapons of mass destruction. Iraq has until November 15 to accept what the council called "a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations." Syrian officials and the media have made clear Damascus voted for the revised US draft resolution only after ensuring it contained no "hidden triggers" allowing for an immediate recourse to force if Iraq violated its United Nations obligations, notably on disarmament.

However, Tishrin Sunday issued a warning to the arms inspectors, who pulled out of Iraq in 1998, saying they should conduct their work in an "honest and objective manner". "The arms inspections must go ahead in an honest and objective manner. The international inspectors must be from the United Nations and not members of foreign intelligence services," it wrote, saying they must have "no relations with Israel". Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said on Saturday that Iraqi compliance with Resolution 1441 would clear the way for the lifting of the UN sanctions regime.

21 posted on 09/10/2003 12:24:22 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Michael81Dus
I don't think they are arrogant...just ignorant. Here's a challenge; which part of my post cannot be verified? Like I said, the truth hurts!
22 posted on 09/10/2003 12:28:30 PM PDT by God luvs America
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To: Cobra64
Actually it was 11 million...
23 posted on 09/10/2003 12:30:12 PM PDT by God luvs America
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- "Germany's leading role in arming Iraq," by Marc Erikson, Asia Times , Feb. 5, 2003

Expurgated portions of Iraq's December 7 report to the UN Security Council show that German firms made up the bulk of suppliers for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.

What's galling is that German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and his minions have long known the facts, German intelligence services know them and have loads of information on what Saddam Hussein is hiding, and Schroeder nonetheless plays holier than thou to an easily manipulated, pacifist-inclined domestic audience. If it's not the height of hypocrisy and opportunism, Schroeder's preemptive "no war. period" stance on Iraq and insistence on a "German Way" (Deutscher Weg) certainly come close.

German Way? Haven't we heard that sort of talk before sometime, somewhere? But leave that be. It falls in the same category as Schroeder's former justice minister's comparison of US President George W Bush to Adolf Hitler in last summer's election campaign. Not only Schroeder and that unfortunate lady, but politicians elsewhere are of limited mental accountability when desperate about winning an election, and suffer lapses of speech and memory.

In 1991, Iraq fired dozens of Scud missiles at Israel and threatened to arm the missiles with poison-gas and biological warheads. Most of the contents of those warheads were made in Germany or made with the aid of German engineers and technology. In light of German history, can Herr Schroeder countenance the possibility of a future poison gas attack on Israel (or anyone else) facilitated by German know-how? Schroeder may not want to go to war. So be it. But he should regard it as his most solemn obligation to do his absolute damnedest to make sure that in the future "good Germans" don't once again stand there and say: "We didn't know."

Friedbert Pflueger, foreign policy spokesman of the main opposition Christian Democratic parties and an embittered critic of Schroeder's and Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer's Iraq policy, last Thursday accused the red-green coalition government of deliberately keeping the German and world public uninformed of BND (German foreign intelligence service) evidence and assessments on the continued existence of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction (WMDs).

"If we trust our [intelligence] services, and I do, then we know that there exist weapons of mass destruction in Iraq," said Pflueger, and referred to a November 13, 2002, BND briefing of members of parliament's foreign affairs committee in which relevant information was disclosed. As a member of parliament, added Pflueger, he was bound by his secrecy oath not to pass on such information, but challenged Schroeder to make it public forthwith. This was necessary, he said, "so that Herr Schroeder cannot continue to spread the impression that the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is a figment of George W Bush's imagination".

He said further that he would dearly like to know exactly how many different types of smallpox virus were in Iraq's possession as - during a November 13 budget committee meeting - Health Minister Ulla Schmidt had motivated her request for a several million euro allocation for the purchase of smallpox vaccine with reference to such Iraqi stocks. Well, Gerhard, why's your minister worried? Or do vaccine purchases fall into the category of economic stimulus for the pharmaceutical industry?

The reason the BND is well-informed of Iraqi WMD programs - nuclear, biological and chemical - is straightforward: since the early 1980s, it has monitored German exports of dual-use nuclear technologies, precursor chemicals for poison-gas weapons, and "pharmaceutical" products and equipment for biological weapons manufacture to the Middle East. Indeed, there are strong suspicions that it was a silent partner in a Hamburg front company, Water Engineering Trading or WET, which covered for and facilitated such exports. Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix said in his January 27 report that tons of Iraqi chemical and biological agents and precursors were unaccounted for. Over the years, well over half of the precursor materials and a majority of the tools and know-how for their conversion into weapons were sold to Iraq by German firms - both prior to and after the 1991 Gulf War.

The BND has the details.

In the summer of 1994, the BND conducted a major study to estimate the magnitude of the - as at that time - still undeclared and concealed Iraqi WMD arsenal, relying on sales records in its possession of post-Gulf War German, Austrian, and Swiss exports of technologies, sub-systems and strategic materials to Iraq. It concluded that these exports pointed to several specific weapons programs, ranging from ballistic missile upgrades to poison gas manufacture, which Iraq had not declared and UN inspectors were unaware of and hence, not surprisingly, had failed to discover. While the magnitude of the current (1994) Iraqi weapons program "is difficult to assess", said the BND, there is no doubt that "some of the material and equipment" has eluded discovery and certain projects "are being revived and run clandestinely".

In February 2001, the BND compiled a further report and intelligence chief August Hanning told Spiegel magazine that, "Since the end of the UN inspections [December 1998], we have determined a jump in procurement efforts by Iraq," adding that Saddam was rebuilding destroyed weapons facilities "partly based on the German industrial standard".

According to the report:

Iraq has resumed its nuclear program and may be capable of producing an atomic bomb in three years;

Iraq is developing its Al Samoud and Ababil 100/Al Fatah short-range rockets, which can deliver a 300kg payload 150km. Medium-range rockets capable of carrying a warhead 3,000km could be built by 2005 - far enough to reach Europe;

Iraq is capable of manufacturing solid rocket fuel;

A Delhi-based company, blacklisted by the German government because of its alleged role in weapons proliferation, has acted as a buyer on Iraq's behalf. Deliveries have been made via Malaysia and Dubai. Indian companies have copied German machine tools down to the smallest detail and such equipment has been installed in numerous chemicals projects.

Since the departure of the UN inspectors, the number of Iraqi sites involved in chemicals production has increased from 20 to 80. Of that total, a quarter could be involved in weapons production.

The BND's warnings didn't stop with that report. In April 2001, Hanning told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper that Iraq was developing a new class of chemical weapons, reiterated his alert on Iraq's missile and nuclear programs, and said that several German companies had continued to deliver to Baghdad components needed for the production of poison gas. In March 2002, he told the New Yorker magazine that, "It is our estimate that Iraq will have an atomic bomb in three years." The German opposition parties' demand that the government make public what it knows is thus no irresponsible, idle, politically inspired chatter as the ruling Social Democrats and Greens charge. The irresponsible chatter and politicking is Herr Schroeder's.

Houston, Texas, attorney Gary Pitts announced late last December that his firm, Pitts and Associates, would soon launch a class action suit on behalf of more than 3,000 sick Gulf War veterans against dozens of European companies accused of helping arm Iraq with weapons of mass destruction. Pitts said he had received a list of 56 international suppliers of equipment and raw materials necessary to make sarin, VX, mustard gas and other chemical agents from the Iraqi government.

The list, brought back from Iraq by former weapons inspector Scott Ritter last September, proves identical to one included in a 1998 Iraqi chemical weapons declaration to the UN, resubmitted unchanged on December 7 and withheld from publication by the inspectors - along with other items - for reasons of "sensitivity". Withheld as well is a list of Iraqi nuclear technology suppliers originally contained in a 1996 declaration and also resubmitted on December 7. That nuclear weapons production details on uranium enrichment, detonation, implosion testing and warhead construction contained in Iraq's declarations should be withheld from all but the five permanent UN Security Council members may have some justification. That lists of suppliers for nuclear, chemical and biological weapons components are being withheld makes sense only if the UN inspectors want to save supplier countries and firms from embarrassment - precisely the embarrassment they should be exposed to to forestall future deliveries.

The list in Iraq's 1998/current chemical weapons declaration contains 31 "major suppliers", 14 from Germany. The 1996/current nuclear suppliers list has 62 company names on it, 33 from Germany. As Iraq claims that since 1991 it has not engaged in WMD production, the lists name no post-Gulf War suppliers. Call it old news. So much the sillier that the UN refuses to make them public. But since the BND claims that deliveries did not stop at the end of the Gulf War as well as simply as a matter of record of German complicity in arming Iraq, the issue remains an urgent current concern.

Leading the honor roll of chemical agents and production equipment suppliers (in this case nerve gas precursors and manufacturing) to Iraq is the German firm Preussag, now a subsidiary of Europe's largest travel agent and tour operator TUI - happy holidays! And Preussag has long been a firm dear to Schroeder's heart. In early 1998, when Schroeder was running for re-election as prime minister of the state of Lower Saxony which he had governed for eight years, he had the state buy 51 percent of Preussag's troubled steel division to the tune of US$500 million, claiming that 12,000 jobs were at stake. It was a characteristic Schroeder move: he knew that the Social Democrats would appoint him chancellor's candidate if he won in Lower Saxony. Win he did - first in Hannover, later in 1998 at the federal level to become chancellor. What did he know about the Preussag conglomerate's Iraq poison gas dealings? Don't ask.

Included on the Iraqi suppliers' lists are other world-renowned (eg, Hoechst, Daimler-Benz, Siemens, Kloeckner, Carl Zeiss, Schott Glas, etc) and smaller German firms. Notable are Karl Kolb/Pilot Plant and WTB (Walter Thosti Boswau) who built and equipped Iraq's two major "pesticide and detergent" plants which, said a WTB employee, produce "detergents to exterminate two-legged flies" (Spiegel 4/1989, p 24). The WTB undertaking was supported by a credit guarantee for several hundred million German marks by Hermes, a German government export and credit insurer. Noteworthy also is Rhein-Bayern, which supplied Iraq with eight mobile toxicological labs housed in sand-colored, camouflage-painted Magirus trucks.

Chemical agents? Biological agents? Machine tools and parts and materials for uranium enrichment and missile production? You name them and the Germans delivered them - and not only that: they supplied the plants and know-how for Iraq to make its own "pesticides" ("to protect the date harvest"), "vaccines" ("to eradicate smallpox and other contagious diseases"), and "x-ray machines".

Karl Kolb told investigative reporters following up the Pitts and Associates law suit that it has done business with Iraq for 35 years, but had no connection to its weapons programs. Preussag claimed that accusations it had supplied precursor chemicals for Iraqi weapons were untrue. Schott Glas said it was "a manufacturer of glass and glass components, not of weapons".

If Herr Schroeder had his way, one assumes, then that's where things would end. Happily, with some nasty American trial lawyers on the case, that's unlikely. And happily, though he tried once more in advance of last Sunday's state elections in Lower Saxony and Hesse to rally Germans to his party's cause with anti-Iraq war rhetoric, Schroeder was dealt a humiliating defeat in both states. He should have bought re-privatized Preussag once again. Even the most gullible of German voters saw through his miserable Iraq-war ploy this time around, blamed him for over 10 percent unemployment, and threw his candidates and party into the trash bin.

24 posted on 09/10/2003 12:32:51 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: areafiftyone
Dear German Leftos: It also took us more than a few months to kill that maniacal bastard Hitler and then rebuild your sorry excuse for a country. It also took longer to rescue half your country from the communists. We didn't listen to your daily propoganda about our failures then, and you can stuff it now too. P.S. You were not our "equal" in two world wars you caused, and you sure as hell do not equal us now.
25 posted on 09/10/2003 12:33:55 PM PDT by Williams
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To: piasa
Wow, thanks for the info.
26 posted on 09/10/2003 1:04:35 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: areafiftyone
"This means we must approach one another as partners," said Fischer, adding that Germany needed to hold a fundamental debate about the future of transatlantic ties.

Sure, with an offer like that, we'll be right over on bended knee! Just wait for us, we'll be there anytime now.

Tasty Manatees
27 posted on 09/10/2003 1:11:32 PM PDT by TastyManatees (http://www.tastymanatees.com)
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To: piasa
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "European states would hammer out a new plan for Iraq within the coming two months, Fischer said without giving any further details."

Ahh, those details, those details.

Thanks Piasa for your post. Very informative.
28 posted on 09/10/2003 6:41:46 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: piasa
Thank you so much for all your wonderful timelines!
29 posted on 09/10/2003 9:39:18 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: areafiftyone
The Eurosocialists are taking their cues from the anti-American Democrat scum running for President. Yet more evidence of the unpatriotism of the Left.
30 posted on 09/10/2003 9:41:58 PM PDT by faithincowboys (Defeat the Fifth Column Leftist Bastards)
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To: areafiftyone
Fischer said Germany wanted a swift handover of sovereignty in Baghdad to Iraqi nationals and the United Nations.

Fischer is so full of sh!t. Handing over sovereignty to Iraqis and the UN? Well it aint sovereignty then is it Joscka?

"The American domino theory under which a liberated Iraq was supposed to stabilise the Middle East and democratise one country after another has not proven right," said Fischer in an interview with the news magazine Stern.

I wonder how long he thought it was going to take? Ten minutes? People are so impatient nowadays... It's interesting to note that the Soviet ruled block of nations in Eastern Europe (to include East Germany) are now free again because of a domino type effect. It's a useful metaphor for describing an overall outcome, but to just toss the phrase around without connecting it to the underlying mechanisms is stupid, which Fischer demonstrably is if he thinks the UN is going to make the situation better. These things do take a bit of time. There are much different dynamics in Iran as opposed to Syria as opposed to Saudi Arabia. It's not going to happen the same way in each country nor at the same speed. But like a crack in a dam, the effect is already there and working- apparantly not quickly enough for everyone's satisfaction.

31 posted on 09/10/2003 10:30:13 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Cobra64
Built the world´s 3rd largest economy? Reunificated? Ment the ties with the nations it invaded in WW2? Built a stable democracy? Been Americas closest ally besides Britain until some stupid left leaning government came into power? Nevertheless comitted the most troops in the war on terror besides the UK troops in Iraq now?
How´s that for a start?
32 posted on 09/14/2003 3:57:45 PM PDT by anotherGerman
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To: God luvs America
I won´t even bother to give a detailed answer to this. People like you are the reason Americans are hated by others. Good thing most Americans I had the luck to get to know are very decent persons. Without Germans no Americans on the moon...
33 posted on 09/14/2003 3:59:35 PM PDT by anotherGerman
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To: anotherGerman
Without Germans no six millions Jews sent to extermination camps or five million more slaughtered, nevermind the inhumane treatment of untold millions more.

I am not against Germans or Germany....I actually think they are decent people for the most part and would rather have Germany on my side then say France in a heartbeat.

I do hate its' present goverment and leader for backstabbing our President, and hence, our nation in the back. I also hate its' "holier than thou" attitude about the Iraq affair and the fact that they've continually capitulate to terrorists and terrorism (most recently paying off the Algerian terrorists five million bucks) the past thirty years and have never come to grips with this reality.
34 posted on 09/14/2003 6:19:22 PM PDT by God luvs America
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To: Michael81Dus
And you call Europeans arrogant?

You probably haven't heard this American saying, Mikey, but:

It's hard to be humble when you're the best that's ever been.
35 posted on 09/14/2003 6:30:48 PM PDT by johnb838 (Deconstruct the Left)
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Comment #36 Removed by Moderator

SEPTEMBER 2003 : (GERMANY : FISCHER GETS DIVORCED FOR 4th TIME) Germany's FM Fischer Gets Divorced, Again
37 posted on 09/19/2003 10:16:34 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: piasa
Well, that's quite an impressive resume!
38 posted on 09/19/2003 10:20:01 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: piasa
Thanks for your work. It is greatly appreciated.
39 posted on 09/19/2003 10:22:17 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Howlin
Wonder if he has an honory membership in the Dixie Mafia?
40 posted on 09/19/2003 11:08:38 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: PGalt
You're welcome!
41 posted on 09/19/2003 11:09:24 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: areafiftyone
Fischer should know all about "Failure". Reports say his second wife divorced him on Friday. What a loser.
42 posted on 09/19/2003 11:10:31 PM PDT by montag813
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