Wesley Clark’s Unanswered Questions

MuslimWakeUp.com ^ | 09/11/03 | Ahmed Nassef

[AHerald]

Woodward's "Bush at War" noted that Rumsfeld, Cheney and others were pushing to act against Iraq as part of the early post-9/11 military effort

First off, so what? And second, what in the hell does that have to do with Clark's lie on Meet the Press? Clark has already admitted that NO ONE from the White House or connected to the White House in any way called him on 9/11, much less called him and suggested he make the case that Iraq was tied to 9/11.

[AHerald]

Re: My above post. And second, what in the hell does that have to do with Clark's lie on Meet the Press?

Forgive me for sounding angry at you in the post. No offense intended. My peevish tone comes from Clark's lie, not your post.

[PJ-Comix]

"I thought this country was founded on a principle of progressive taxation."

Incredibly this IDIOTIC Clark quote is proudly displayed on the Draft Clark website.

[AHerald]

I think you are missing my point, which is that shortly after 9/11, there were drumbeats from within the Pentagon of a need to topple Saddam.

Oh, your point was clear. It seemed, however, to draw a logical conclusion that that fact alone lent some credibility to Clark's assertion that someone from or associated with the White House asked him to make an unproven claim on national TV. It doesn't logically follow that just because someone inside government wanted to get Saddam that it's more likely they would tell a private citizen to go on TV and make unproven allegations.

It's all moot now, since Clark has admitted that the 9/11 calls never took place.

[Incorrigible]

Read the second plank of the communist manifesto here:

http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/TenPlanks.html

[HenryLeeII]

Wesley Clark is a highly intelligent man (like his fellow Arkansan, Bill Clinton, he’s a Rhodes scholar).

No! Clinton was a Rhodes scholar candidate, but he was too busy committing treason in Moscow by organizing anti-American rallies during a time of war (in which the Soviets were aiding our enemy) to finish his studies. Therefore, he is not a Rhodes scholar, but merely a former candidate.

[HenryLeeII]

Wesley Clark is a highly intelligent man (like his fellow Arkansan, Bill Clinton, he’s a Rhodes scholar).

No! Clinton was a Rhodes scholar candidate, but he was too busy committing treason in Moscow by organizing anti-American rallies during a time of war (in which the Soviets were aiding our enemy) to finish his studies. Therefore, he is not a Rhodes scholar, but merely a former candidate.

[cwb]

"Neither side are the angels here. Which side suffered the most depends on where exactly you are talking about. In Muslim areas the Serbs were suffering and in Serb areas the Muslims were suffering. The Muslims suffered the most because they didn't have the state behind them. There's no denying that."

Tito had to restrain the Serbs because he wouldn't let them return to their land after the end of WWII when most of them were excersied from their lands. He didn't want to deal with the influx and instability that might cause. I realize this conflict is over 500 years old and is complicated. But up until the turn of the century and almost to the beginning of WWII, the land was relatively split. It wasn't until WWII when the Kosovo region was attached to the Axis puppet state of Albania that a major population shift occurred...driving out and murdering the Serbs.

Instead of being allowed to return home under Tito, the shift continued with more Serbs being attacked and driven off their lands. This obviously changed under Milosevich when he revoked the previous autonomy that Tito had granted and allowed the Serbs to return. But even then in the early days, the acts of the KLA tried to prevent that from happening. Yes Milosevich was a brute...but so were the KLA and the radicals who wanted no multicultural region, either. My problem is this: This is no longer a religion of peace...and hasn't been for some time. And we knew this in 1998 when we still gave support to a group that was on our terrorist list. Both sides have been committing atrocities against the others...no doubt, but right now (and then) Islam has still been the bigger threat to us. It is now the KLA that is doing the killing as they try to disrupt Macedonia. Radical Islam doesn't respect boundaries and that is why a 78-day aerial bombardment from 15,000 feet was wrong. And so were the exaggerated mass-graves and the Racak massacre that led us into this war.

Oh...and by the way: The collpase of the Byzantine Empire as you put it, had a little help. Islam. Since 670, Byzantine had been laid seige to on several occasions by the Muslims...who had been chipping away at that Empire for centuries. While it held out until 1453, it was the Muslims, as well, that had a hand at bringing down this highly cultured society. The only reason Islam had any culture was because it absorbed those that it conquered. Now that they can conquer no more, they have none. I'm sorry...but if history (early or current) is any indication, Islam is and always has been an expansionist regime and a threat to civilization.

[cwb]

"Thank God we a had a good man like Clark in there who understands complexity. I wish we had some folks like that over in Iraq today. We sure could use 'em!"

You just threw your credibility out the window. You complain about the war in Iraq and yet praise Clark's 78-day aerial bombardment from 15,000 feet of a country that posed no national security threat to this country.

There is no doubt that this is a historically difficult conflict to understand and solve. Who was "first" in Kosovo is a debateable question depending on who you talk to. However, the Serbs were not the last ethnic group to arrive. Their modern historical connection to this region (depending on source) can be traced back to the 6-7th Century...while I've seen sources saying that modern Albanians didn't arrive until the 11th Century. This of course doesn't take into account the lineage of those proceeding them, such as the Goths, Hans, Avars, Bulgars and the many other groups that passed through. But the fact remains, Kosovo was a part of the Byzantine Empire which practiced the Eastern Orthodox religion "until" the Muslims arrived and pushed them out or forced them to convert. I realize the Byzantine Empire was falling, thanks in no part to the Crusades and difference in these two beliefs, but Islam didn't start becoming a staple in this region until 1389 when they attacked the Serbs in Kosovo and after the sack of the Byzantine Empire in 1453...leading to the rise of the Ottoman Empire.

Your fascination with the slavery (literally) of Islam is telling. This has been and continues to be, an expansionist regime. While you may consider it a beautifully cultured religion, it has been the scourge or Asia, Africa, the Balkans and anywhere else they decide to set up shop. Their doctrine hasn't changed since the 7th Century, while at least Christianity has had a Reformation and Judaism an Enlightenment. The control of the Balkans is very important to Islam...it is the soft underbelly of Europe and it will lead to eventual taking of Europe. Islam has been doing this for centuries, as they've made attempts at Vienna, Spain and other nations. WWI put a hold on their progress as they decided to side with the Central Powers helping to lead to the destruction of their Empire as it was reshaped and mandated after the war. WWII brought much of the same as many of them sided with Germany.

You dismiss modern history, but the Serbs in WWII suffered the 2nd worst genocide of that war when almost 1 millon Serbs, Gypsies and Jews were murdered by Muslim Albanians in cooperation with the Axis. You see...Hitler hated the Jews, and who better to kill those Serbian Jews than their natural enemy, the Muslims. It was nice little partnership...Islam could get back it's lost Ottoman Empire and Hitler could get his as the Muslims help him elimate the Jews (and of course those pesky Serbs). But again, Islam lost...and so even more of their land was divided. Unfortunately, this didn't help the Serbs as their population in Kosovo was further ravaged after the war when Tito prevented them from returning and decided to divide the territory further. As I said, the population was relatively split at the start of the last century but has since been overwhelmingly reshaped in favor of the Albanina Muslims.

The bottom line is still this: We got involved in a civil war that has no national security implications for this country. We not only got involved, we supplied and took the side of a group that was on our terrorist list. And that very group that we defended are now the ones committing more atrocites...and not just in Kosovo, but in neighboring countries. And for this you declare Clark a hero. If ethnic population is all that's needed to change a countries borders, I wonder how the US would react, when say, a group like Mecha succeeds at building a coalition and some radical Mexicans in Southern California decide they want a new country? Can we expect the UN to come in on the side of them to let them break away from the US? One last note on your religion of peace: Islam's conquest is not over..and the Balkans are just a bridge being built leading to the heart of Europe. I don't have a dog in this hunt and both sides are brutal. But it's not hard to see what's going on in the Balkans as it is elsewhere around the world. Islam wants the glory days of Ottoman back, and Europe with it. Bank on it!

[dirtboy]

Thank God we a had a good man like Clark in there who understands complexity

Yeah, Clark almost started war with the Russians on two occasions during that campaign, and since has lied about the White House contacting him on 9/11. It's already been shown during the Clinton Administration that Dems do not consider being a habitual liar to be a disqualification for being president, but now we see that you guys don't consider a propesity for starting WWIII to be a problem in a president either.

[cwb]

"That's why the people of Serbia turned their backs to the nationalists and got rid of them the first chance they got. I wish we could get rid of ours."

They got rid of the nationalists becasue they were tired of being bombed. But give it time, the way things are going, the nationalists just may be back.