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US Intelligence: Al Qaeda Planned Israel Attack With Hijacked Saudi F-15's
World Tribune and Geostrategy Direct.com ^ | Week of September 16, 2003 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 09/11/2003 9:47:00 AM PDT by meg70

Al Qaeda planned to hijack a Saudi F-15E fighter jet and crash it into a major office tower in Israel, the Israeli chief of staff said yesterday.

Israel officals said US Intelligence agencies relayed this information based on their interrogation of Al Qaeda suspects during the past 18 months.

They said Al Qaeda was trying to recruit a Saudi Air Force pilot to fly his F-15 from Tabuk air base and carry out a suicide attack in Israel about 200 kilometers away.

The Al Qaeda plot has been cited by Israel in its arguements to the United States for the immediate removal of Saudia Arabia's F-15E fleet from the King Faisal Air Base in Tabuk. About 50 F-15E's were flown to Tabuk in March 2003 and Riyad has refused to return them to their bases in Eastern adn Central Saudi Arabia.

On Tuesday, Israeli Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Moshe Ya'alon became the first Isralei public figure to cite the F-15E's at Tabuk.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Israel; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; billgertz; foiled; geostrategy; israel; saudiarabia
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16 of the 19 on Sept. 11 were Saudis.. correct?
1 posted on 09/11/2003 9:47:01 AM PDT by meg70
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To: meg70
The "Kingdom" is imploding. Best we make it Baja Iraq.
2 posted on 09/11/2003 9:49:00 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: meg70
The Saudis are not, have never been, nor never will be friends. Friggin troglodytes.
3 posted on 09/11/2003 9:51:09 AM PDT by Spruce
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Sooner we clean out that Roach Motel and others (Syria, Iran etc.) the better..or draw them all into Iraq
4 posted on 09/11/2003 9:51:43 AM PDT by meg70
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To: 1bigdictator; 2sheep; a_witness; adam_az; agrace; American in Israel; Anamensis; anapikoros; ...
FRmail me to be added or removed from this pro-Israel ping list.
5 posted on 09/11/2003 9:52:21 AM PDT by Alouette (The bombing begins in five minutes.)
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To: meg70
The Al Qaeda plot has been cited by Israel in its arguements to the United States for the immediate removal of Saudia Arabia's F-15E fleet from the King Faisal Air Base in Tabuk. About 50 F-15E's were flown to Tabuk in March 2003 and Riyad has refused to return them to their bases in Eastern adn Central Saudi Arabia.

Wonder if Israel might be thinking of removing them unilaterally ?

6 posted on 09/11/2003 9:53:07 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam : totalitarian political ideology / meme cloaked under the cover of religion)
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To: meg70
If this wouldn't ignite the Middle East into one exploding cauldron, I don't know WHAT would!
7 posted on 09/11/2003 9:53:11 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Saddam Had No Taepodong-II nuke ICBMs capable of hitting the World's Largest & 2nd Largest Economies)
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To: meg70
Whatever f@$%ing idiot Suadi F-15jock would never have made it very far into Israeli airspace. Either our Awacs would have taged him or the IDF early warning radar.
9 posted on 09/11/2003 9:55:01 AM PDT by JETDRVR
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To: meg70
Osama's goal is to implicate the Saudis, such that Saudi Arabia loses its Western allies and becomes ripe for an internal revolution that would bring the Taliban into power there much like the Ayatollah came into power in nearby Iran.

To this end al qaeda wants to use Saudi citizens in attacks on the West (and on our allies).

10 posted on 09/11/2003 9:55:10 AM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: meg70
If they ever pulled off such a hijacking, I wonder what the chances are that the IAF would be able to shoot it down before it hit the building? The IAF doesn't have much territory to defend, and I'd imagine they're always on a hyper state of alert.
11 posted on 09/11/2003 9:55:52 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
My guess is that the Islamokazi goat humpers are probing for weaknesses.

And since the airbase is 200 km away from the target..would there be time to respond?

12 posted on 09/11/2003 9:58:12 AM PDT by meg70
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To: meg70
The Saud's are a large royal family. Each man has four wives, the son's have four wives, and they all have children, with their wives and without. These offspring and the uncles, the brothers, the children are all competing for the "family money" and power within the family. Think angry relatives at the reading of a will and the division of "Dad's company".

Can you topple one brother and his nephew without toppling the innocent grandson and his mother? Can we stop the flow of terrorist money without accidentally handing the whole country over to the nuts who sponsor all the world's terrorism? Ideas?

13 posted on 09/11/2003 10:00:54 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: meg70
Al Qaeda planned to hijack a Saudi F-15E fighter jet and........

Right, uh-huh, al queda planned to "hijack" a Saudi F-15.

14 posted on 09/11/2003 10:01:07 AM PDT by freedomson (Baruch haba b'shem Adonai!)
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To: meg70
The islamic sand monkey terrorists would probably hit the ejector seat button instead of the landing gears
15 posted on 09/11/2003 10:02:28 AM PDT by smith288 ("The key to our success will be your execution." -Scott Adams)
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To: Mr. Mojo
I wonder what the chances are that the IAF would be able to shoot it down before it hit the building?

They would intercept the plane before it entered Israeli airspace.

Don't think that Israel doesn't monitor each and every flight that originates from Saudi Arabia. A few years ago, the IAF "baptised" a new Saudi airfield by flying over at low altitude (below the radar) and dropping live pigs onto the runway.

16 posted on 09/11/2003 10:02:40 AM PDT by Alouette (The bombing begins in five minutes.)
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To: meg70
COULD THIS HAVE BEEN THE TARGET? -- Azrieli Towers
17 posted on 09/11/2003 10:04:30 AM PDT by doug from upland (Why did DemocRATS allow a perjuring rapist to remain in the Oval Office?)
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To: Alouette
They would intercept the plane before it entered Israeli airspace.

That's where my money's at.

A few years ago, the IAF "baptised" a new Saudi airfield by flying over at low altitude (below the radar) and dropping live pigs onto the runway.

If true, that's one of the best (and funniest) things I've heard in a long time.

18 posted on 09/11/2003 10:04:52 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Southack; Poohbah
Agreed.

I think the choice of nationality of the hijackers was done to harm the Saudi royal family. There were two folks who had every reason to go after the Saudi royal family:

Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Why? Because in 1990, the Saudi royal family asked us to help protect them and to help liberate Kuwait. Osama was snubbed, and Saddam got his butt kicked. MOTIVE.

MEANS. Ever hear of Salman Pak? And what about that meeting in Prague between Atta and Ahmed al-Ani? There are other contacts between Saddam and al-Qaeda as well.
20 posted on 09/11/2003 10:07:35 AM PDT by hchutch (The National League needs to adopt the designated hitter rule.)
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To: meg70
Man, these scumbags are really trying to bring about World War III, aren't they?
21 posted on 09/11/2003 10:08:24 AM PDT by jpl
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To: Mr. Mojo; hchutch
If they ever pulled off such a hijacking, I wonder what the chances are that the IAF would be able to shoot it down before it hit the building? The IAF doesn't have much territory to defend, and I'd imagine they're always on a hyper state of alert.

If they had recruited a Saudi pilot...the odds of success were good.

Not having much territory to defend means not having much time to stop an incursion.

And if the IAF is the best air force in the Middle East, the RSAF is a VERY close second.

22 posted on 09/11/2003 10:11:33 AM PDT by Poohbah (Hee Haw was supposed to be a television show...not the basis of a political movement...)
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To: Mr. Mojo
The IAF probably has 6 aircraft always on standby. I bet that probably wouldn't matter though...it'd be easy to fly under the radar and hit any building. My choice...would be the biggest religious target possible in Israel. That would accomplish everything Ossama needs to happen. Israel would hit back against the biggest Islam target possible...and then most of the middle Eastern countries would all get involved. The US would likely be able to hold Iraq, Egypt and Jordan back...but everyone else would go for Israel.

This brings up all kinds of scenarios. Would make a great Tom Clancy novel.
23 posted on 09/11/2003 10:12:22 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: meg70
Al Qaeda Planned Israel Attack With Hijacked Saudi F-15's

Hijacked?

Can you learn how to fly an F-15 in a Florida flight school?

24 posted on 09/11/2003 10:12:26 AM PDT by putupon (The text in this Tagline serves no purpose other than to occupy the space between the parentheses)
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To: Southack
Yes, what a triple bonanza this would have been; to cause a spectacular attack in Israel, which would invite swift and terrible Israeli retribution, that's two down, then finally causing the Saudis further isolation and condemnation by the West.
25 posted on 09/11/2003 10:14:39 AM PDT by Sender
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To: putupon
Put it this way, for 10G $ you can get any type rating you want in South Florida.
26 posted on 09/11/2003 10:18:03 AM PDT by JETDRVR
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To: Southack
Osama's goal is to implicate the Saudis

Dead guys don't have goals.

27 posted on 09/11/2003 10:19:36 AM PDT by ASA Vet (1st Vietnam KIA: ASA Sp/4 James T. Davis)
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To: meg70
It's 15 of 19, but the point is well noted.

As for the "hijacking", I rather doubt that would be the correct term. "Ordering" would be closer, but since the House of Saud wouldn't want it traced back to them (as if that would have made a difference with the Israelis), ....

28 posted on 09/11/2003 10:19:45 AM PDT by steveegg (I have one thing to say to the big spenders; BLIZZARD OF RECALL TOUR!)
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To: Poohbah
And if the IAF is the best air force in the Middle East, the RSAF is a VERY close second.

You're kidding, right? The IAF would make very short work of the RSAF, a fact with which both parties are all too aware.

29 posted on 09/11/2003 10:23:31 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: GOPJ
Can you topple one brother and his nephew without toppling the innocent grandson and his mother?

That's what Al Qaida and their sponsors in the House of Saud are hoping.

Can we stop the flow of terrorist money without accidentally handing the whole country over to the nuts who sponsor all the world's terrorism? Ideas?

Mass assassinations are about all I can offer.

30 posted on 09/11/2003 10:24:18 AM PDT by steveegg (I have one thing to say to the big spenders; BLIZZARD OF RECALL TOUR!)
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To: Centurion2000
"Thou hast said it.."
31 posted on 09/11/2003 10:24:38 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Southack
Good analysis.
32 posted on 09/11/2003 10:25:13 AM PDT by meg70
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To: Mr. Mojo; hchutch
You're kidding, right? The IAF would make very short work of the RSAF, a fact with which both parties are all too aware.

I've actually been on exercises with RSAF aircrews; they are very, very good.

33 posted on 09/11/2003 10:25:25 AM PDT by Poohbah (Hee Haw was supposed to be a television show...not the basis of a political movement...)
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To: steveegg
Mass assassinations are about all I can offer

Yes but not everyone in Massachusetts is a liberal :)

34 posted on 09/11/2003 10:26:15 AM PDT by Sender
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To: steveegg
My how things have changed. Back in the early 80's the IAF used to run touch & go's at Tabuk.
35 posted on 09/11/2003 10:26:56 AM PDT by dgoad
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To: Sender
not everyone in Massachusetts is a liberal

True, I met both of them that aren't.

36 posted on 09/11/2003 10:32:12 AM PDT by ASA Vet (1st Vietnam KIA: ASA Sp/4 James T. Davis)
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To: Centurion2000
Wonder if Israel might be thinking of removing them unilaterally ?

I think they did exactly that once already, like around 1967 or so.

37 posted on 09/11/2003 10:33:38 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: Spruce
The Saudis are not, have never been, nor never will be friends. Friggin troglodytes.

You didn't get the memo from the government?

I'll quote it : "The Saudis are our friends and allies in the war on terrorism. The fact that over a dozen of their citizens killed thousands of ours, more than any Iraqis or Afghanistanis ever killed, does not change this. They love America. They do not preach hate for Americans, Judaism, and Christianity in their schools, and their money does not find its way into the hands of terrorists"

/sarcasm off

38 posted on 09/11/2003 10:38:53 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Mr. Mojo
Let's review what each country has. The IAF/AF has, at last count, 61 F-15A/B/C/D aircraft, 25 F-15I (an Israeli version of the F-15E), 232 F-16s, 70 F-4s (50 upgraded to F-4 2000 status) and 6 Phalcon AEW aircraft. The Saudis have 62 F-15C/Ds, 72 F-15Ss (a "detuned" version of the F-15E), roughly 90 Tornado IDSs (the attack version; an unknown number of these are recon craft), 24 Tornado ADFs (air-defense version), roughly 70 F-5s and 5 E-3As. While IDF/AF's training is vastly superior to the RSAFs', if the Saudis ever got serious about training, they would be a VERY close second.
39 posted on 09/11/2003 10:52:32 AM PDT by steveegg (I have one thing to say to the big spenders; BLIZZARD OF RECALL TOUR!)
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To: Sender
Yes but not everyone in Massachusetts is a liberal :)

LOL

40 posted on 09/11/2003 10:53:44 AM PDT by steveegg (I have one thing to say to the big spenders; BLIZZARD OF RECALL TOUR!)
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To: Alouette
A few years ago, the IAF "baptised" a new Saudi airfield by flying over at low altitude (below the radar) and dropping live pigs onto the runway.

Sounds too funny to be true. Do you have a source?

41 posted on 09/11/2003 10:53:55 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: hchutch; Southack
Methinks you two are ignoring the likelyhood that a significant, though not-quite-in-power, faction of the massive House of Saud is also in on this little venture.
42 posted on 09/11/2003 10:56:06 AM PDT by steveegg (I have one thing to say to the big spenders; BLIZZARD OF RECALL TOUR!)
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To: Alouette
A few years ago, the IAF "baptised" a new Saudi airfield by flying over at low altitude (below the radar) and dropping live pigs onto the runway.


WHERE CAN ONE LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT?

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43 posted on 09/11/2003 10:58:57 AM PDT by eddiespaghetti
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To: seamole
"Once again, Al Qaeda shows that its ultimate goal is not to wage war, but to start it.
They are the trolls of geopolitics."


Yep and they can sure start it with a few strategically placed dirty bombs. How could we stand by and watch our world collapse and NOT assign responsibility to a state?

Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Libya, Yemen, ad nauseum need to understand they will be fitted for cobalt jackets if even one of our urbans centers is contaminated by a dirty bomb. Kill 100 Americans this way and they should see the death of 1 million. I would use the 100 to 1,000,000 ratio.

I think Al Qaeda plans to try and shut us down this way. Their homelands need to know what's coming. EOM
44 posted on 09/11/2003 10:59:38 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Mr. Mojo; Poohbah
You're kidding, right? The IAF would make very short work of the RSAF, a fact with which both parties are all too aware.

I'm not qualified to make that judgement, but I can tell you there are those within Israel's military community who consider the combined Saudi/Egyptian air forces the IAFs equal in hardware, personel I can't say, but they're a force to be reckoned with. Because they were destroyed on the ground once, you can't rely on it happening again.

45 posted on 09/11/2003 11:00:17 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: meg70
This is why Mr Bush is president (thank God) and not one of us. Some of us (me included) would have been inclined to reduce certain islamic "holy" sites to glass by now. Mr. Bush and his administration see a broader problem.

The Saudi regime is in big trouble. They are hanging by a thread. Better to prop the present gangsters up and play for time than to topple them now and deal with another Iraq immediately. The US armed forces can EASILY invade Saudi Arabia, Syria AND Iran, simultaneously. Then what??

Mr. Bush, in his wisdom, has decided to take one bite at a time. Everything else will fall into place. Very smart man.

46 posted on 09/11/2003 11:04:04 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: SJackson
The EAF's quality has improved a BUNCH because they're hanging with the USAF/USN/USMC folks. The RSAF has always been pretty good because they have a long-standing relationship with their American counterparts.

The IAF's edge is still there, but it's more a matter of degree than of light-years as it used to be.
47 posted on 09/11/2003 11:04:39 AM PDT by Poohbah (Hee Haw was supposed to be a television show...not the basis of a political movement...)
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To: Alouette
A few years ago, the IAF "baptised" a new Saudi airfield by flying over at low altitude (below the radar) and dropping live pigs onto the runway.

You made that up, right? As God is my witness, I thought pigs could fly!

48 posted on 09/11/2003 11:09:00 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: hchutch; Southack
You two have given me much to think about. It helps explain the Bush stance toward Saudi Arabia.
49 posted on 09/11/2003 11:14:59 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: meg70
Letter to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee from Secretary of Defense Brown, 15 May 1978.

The first two weeks of May witnessed the culmination of the efforts by the Carter administration to win Congressional approval for the package deal involving the sale of advanced aircraft to Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

In the following letter, Secretary Brown sought to alleviate fears of some Senators that the F-15 that would be sold to Saudi Arabia would be used against Israel. He explained the capabilities of this aircraft and also specified the assurances received from the government of Saudi Arabia. The next day, the Senate approved the proposed package deal.

Dear Mr. Chairman,
During recent conversations with you and other members of your committee, a number of questions have been raised regarding the characteristics of the F-15 aircraft we propose to sell to Saudi Arabia and reassurances as to the purpose for which Saudi Arabia will use the aircraft. I would like to respond to these questions and attempt to resolve any uncertainties that members may have felt regarding the proposed sale.


In sum, it is clear that the F-15 will help Saudi Arabia deter and defend against those nations that are hostile to its role as a leading moderate Arab state.

II. Assurances
The Government of Saudi Arabia has assured us that it has no aggressive intentions against any state, that it will use the F-15 aircraft only in furtherance of its legitimate self-defense, and that it will not employ the aircraft offensively. The Saudi Arabian Government has similarly assured us that it will not transfer the F-15 aircraft to any third country or permit the nationals of such country to train on the F-15 aircraft, serve as pilots, or otherwise to have access to the aircraft without the authorization of the United States.

We have specifically discussed these restrictions on use and prohibitions on transfer with the Government of Saudi Arabia. They have assured us that they intend scrupulously to comply with these prohibitions and restrictions. The record of Saudi Arabia in this respect is excellent.

However, should the assurances be violated, the United States can take appropriate action, including suspension of services and of delivery of spare parts and other military equipment. Without such services the usability of the F-15 would degrade rapidly.

It is also important to note that the sales agreement reserves to the United States the right to suspend or cancel deliveries at any time when the national interest of the United States so requires. Further, under section 21 (C) of the arms export control act, no U.S. person employed under foreign military sales contracts in Saudi Arabia or any other country would be permitted to perform services in support of combat operations.

Questions have been raised concerning the possible basing of the F-15 aircraft at Tabuk air base. I would like to repeat to you the assurance given to me and other United States officials by the Saudi Arabian Government that Saudi Arabia will base the F-15 aircraft, not at Tabuk, but at Dhahran, Taif and possibly at Riyadh or Khamis Mushait. Basing the F-15 at the vulnerable Tabuk base could place in needless jeopardy these vital aircraft which will form the heart of the Saudi Arabian air defense system. In addition, Tabuk is not equipped to serve as an operating base for the F-15's, and could not be so equipped without extensive base for the F-15's, and could not be so equipped without extensive U.S. assistance which would not be provided.

These practical considerations, of which Saudi Arabia is well aware, strengthen the assurances that the F-15's will not be based at Tabuk.

50 posted on 09/11/2003 11:16:06 AM PDT by blackbag (Note Tabuk basing of American F-15 is not allowed and Saudis agreed to this.)
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