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WHILE CLINTON SLEPT (AND DID OTHER THINGS)
9-12-03 | DICK MORRIS

Posted on 09/12/2003 7:17:25 AM PDT by Jerrybob

These are excerpts from a chapter from Dick Morris' new book, "Off With Their Heads - Traitors, Crooks & Obstructionists In American Politics, Media, Business."

This chapter is titled, "How Clinton Left Ticking Terror Time Bombs For Bush To Discover."

As King Louis XV lay dying, he ruminated about the state of the pre-revolutionary French kingdom his son would soon inherit. Every-where he looked, he saw peril -- the anger of the peasants, the arrogance of the nobility, the unfairness of the tax system. Sadly, he reflected that the young man who would become Louis XVI faced tough times. Old King Louis may not have known that his son and his daughter-in-law, Marie Antoinette, would lose their heads to the guillotine, but he must have had some sense of looming catastrophe. "Après moi, le deluge," he said. After me, the disaster.

Clinton knew where three time bombs lay. His national security people even briefed Bush's incoming administration on the dangers of al Qaeda as they left office. But Clinton had done little to catch al Qaeda; he'd done nothing to rein in Iraq; and he had actively covered for North Korea as it violated its treaty commitments.

As he left the White House, he could well have said: Après moi, le deluge.

On the war on terror, Clinton was an utter and total failure. His record of inaction is bad enough, but his inability to grasp the dimensions of the issue, as I witnessed it in our conversations, was worse. In our time this may have become a trite phrase, but there's simply no other way to put it: He just didn't get it.

Clinton knew every statistic, argument, and nuance of the issues he had made his own: welfare reform, deficit reduction, student performance, Head Start availability, crime, export promotion, and so on. But on terrorism, during his first term, the period I witnessed firsthand, he knew little and cared less.

All our terrorist problems were born during the Clinton years.

All three critical situations America faces today -- al Qaeda, Iraq, and North Korea -- were either incubated or exacerbated on Bill Clinton's watch.

As I first became aware of this situation, I believed Bill Clinton was guilty of negligence and oversight. As I read the evidence, however, the picture darkened significantly. Clinton's attitude probably started as neglect of global terrorism -- a field alien to the Arkansas governor's experience and worldview. But as his administration evolved and entered its second term, its failure to deal with these three looming threats began to seem more and more conscious, even deliberate.

Sapped by the effort to resist impeachment, focused on burnishing his legacy through his phantom deal with North Korea, anxious to avoid the political risk of major military action on the ground against al Qaeda, and eager to avoid stirring up things in Iraq, Bill Clinton deliberately postponed dealing with this trio of threats so he could leave office under a seemingly sunny sky.

The World Trade Center Bombing: First Shot Across the Bow

President Bill Clinton's uneasy history with terrorism began thirty-six days after he swore to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States." On February 26, 1993, a terrorist bomb exploded in the B-2 parking garage under One World Trade Center. The blast was triggered by twelve hundred pounds of urea nitrate, found in fertilizer, and three tanks of compressed hydrogen. This attack, the first foreign terrorist bombing on U.S. soil in modern times, ripped a five-floor hole in the building, instantly killing six people and injuring a thousand others.

In later years, in subsequent attacks, we became accustomed to seeing President Clinton at the site of such tragedies, seemingly struggling to control his emotions, biting his lower lip and fighting back tears. But New Yorkers were spared that piece of theater as they tried to cope with the impact of the bombing. The president never visited the site of the attack; he did not attend any of the funerals of its victims. What he did was go about his public routine.

Though he said he was "heartbroken" for the families of those killed in the blast, while in New Jersey Clinton assured citizens that "we've been very blessed in this country to have been free of the kind of terrorist activity that has gripped other countries. But I think it's important that we not overreact to it." He called on New Yorkers "to keep your courage up and go about your lives." The Globe noted that "while security was noticeably tight during Clinton's visit to New Brunswick and Piscataway, he did leave his limousine at one point to ride from the airport in Newark with some children going to a learning center." First things first.

Why didn't Clinton visit the site? The emphasis in his public statements and in the demeanor of New York officials in the aftermath of the attack was to avoid an "overreaction." Worried about public panic, and perhaps concerned that a presidential visit would get in the way of rescue and investigative efforts, New York officials told Clinton to stay away.

Okay, but what about afterward? President Bush let the smoke clear at Ground Zero for a few days after 9/11, but less than a week went by before he went and memorably addressed the rescue workers through a bullhorn, rallying them and reinvigorating America's sagging spirits. Bill Clinton, on the other hand, never visited the World Trade Center in the aftermath of the 1993 bombing.

He didn't go because he chose to treat the attack as an isolated criminal act, devoid of serious foreign policy or military implications. The fact that this was the first foreign terrorist attack on American soil seems to have set off no alarm bells at the young Clinton White House. The president treated it as a crime rather than as a foreign policy emergency. He defined terrorism as a law enforcement problem, not as a matter of national security. To Bill Clinton, it was not unlike any other homicide.

There was no effort to mobilize the nation, to sound the alarm, to reequip the military and intelligence apparatus to cope with the new threat. The government did nothing. Indeed, the director of the CIA, R. James Woolsey, later said he had not had a single private meeting with President Clinton through all of 1993 and 1994. Incredible.

In June 1993, when the FBI arrested Sheikh Rahman and nine of his followers, President Clinton must have been told that the terrorist groups in and around New York City were actively plotting massive destruction of high-profile targets. The World Trade Center had already been bombed, the United Nations and bridges and tunnels had been targeted. What else did the president need to grasp the gravity of the situation? Yet he never ordered any major shakeup of the antiterror apparatus. No extra tools were given to the FBI. No massive mobilization was declared. The government simply shrugged its shoulders; the bank robbers had been caught, after all; why make a fuss?

The most important link in the chain of evidence that should have alerted Clinton to the growing threat came in January 1995, when Yousef himself was finally arrested in Pakistan, two years after orchestrating the World Trade Center bombing. Under interrogation, Emerson writes, the terrorist leader said he had "hoped [WTC] Tower One would fall sideways into Tower Two" as a result of the bombing, "knocking over both and killing 250,000 people." More important, an examination of Yousef's laptop computer revealed that he had "also participated in a plan to blow up eleven American jetliners within 48 hours -- a disaster that was only barely avoided by chance."

One would have imagined that, at the very least, the president would have responded to the evidence of such a plan with a major air-safety initiative. Even if he wanted to avoid alarming the traveling public and jeopardizing airline revenues, one would think he would still have moved vigorously to tighten security, concealing the reason for his actions if necessary. Instead, there was nothing. No action, no proposals, no initiatives, no direction. It was as if nothing out of the ordinary had been unearthed by the FBI. Why not?

North Korea: The Feel-Good Deal That Left Our Security Dangling

On October 5, 2002, a bombshell burst: North Korea acknowledged, as The Washington Post reported, that it "has been secretly developing nuclear weapons for years in violation of international agreements." One official in George W. Bush's administration called it a "jaw drop-ping" revelation. The North Koreans were unapologetic; indeed, they were "assertive, aggressive about it."

The revelation was doubly shocking in light of a widely hailed agreement the Clinton administration had signed with North Korea, in 1994, which was to have banned the development of atomic weapons or the diversion of fuel from North Korea's nuclear reactors.

After he left office, President Clinton feigned surprise that North Korea was cheating and developing nuclear weapons despite its commitments in 1994. He told interviewer Larry King, on February 6, 2003, that "it turns out they [North Korea] had this smaller laboratory program to develop a nuclear bomb with enriched uranium." He might not have said so explicitly, but Clinton's implication was clear: The development was news to him. Don't be fooled: The revelation of North Korea's perfidy may have been a surprise to the world,

But it was no surprise to Bill Clinton. As early as 1998, The Washington Post reported, U.S. intelligence had warned that the rogue nation was developing bombs in secret under-ground locations. But Clinton did nothing; indeed, he assured Congress that North Korea was in compliance with the 1994 agreement so that it wouldn't cut off the purse strings that funded the U.S. end of the deal.

By his willful blindness to North Korea's conduct and his wishful thinking that the regime would abide by the deal he had made with it in 1994, Bill Clinton had opened the door to one of the most serious threats to our national security since the end of the cold war.

When prompt action could have headed off North Korean noncompliance, Bill Clinton willfully and deliberately did nothing, allowing the North to build its bombs in its underground caverns.

And, as in so many other situations, he left the problem to George W. Bush.

The Crackdown That Didn't Happen-Clinton Refuses to Act to Deport Illegal Immigrants

"Make states issue driver's licenses [to immigrants] which expire when [their] visas do," I suggested to President Clinton on March 16, 1995, during a strategy meeting in the White House's East Wing. Noting that half of the nation's illegal aliens had evaded the system by overstaying their visas, I proposed a system providing for "automatic referral from motor-vehicles agencies to the INS" for deportation when routine traffic stops revealed drivers without licenses who were here illegally.

Even though I renewed the proposal at four subsequent meetings with the president, it was never adopted. What a shame!

Three of the 9/11 hijackers had been pulled over by traffic cops in the months before 9/11. Had the drivers' license proposal been accepted, we might have sent them packing to the Middle East before they had their chance to fly airplanes into our buildings. In April 2001 -- five months before 9/11 -- Mohamed Atta, the ringleader of the hijackers, was stopped by police near Miami for driving without a license. He was summoned to appear in court, never showed up, a bench warrant was issued, and the matter ended. Had the motor vehicle/ INS/FBI interface been functioning at that time, the traffic cop would have discovered that Atta was in the country illegally, his visa having expired in January 2001. Atta would have been arrested on the spot and bound over to the INS for deportation. He might not have been in the United States to lead the 9/11 hijackers on their grisly mission.

Terrorism Strikes: Oklahoma City Bombing

As Clinton confronted the Oklahoma City bombing, with its 168 deaths, it became increasingly clear that he was more comfortable offering America spiritual leadership in the struggle to find meaning in the piles of rubble than he was in taking practical steps to thwart future attacks. Appearing on 60 Minutes, Clinton stressed the emotional and spiritual implications of the Oklahoma City bombing, using his enormous capacity for empathy to ease the suffering of those who had lost loved ones and of a nation in shock. Reaching eloquently into the nation's soul, Clinton drew spiritual conclusions from the bombing and gave advice on how to handle the aftermath. "The anger you feel is valid but you must not allow yourselves to be consumed by it. The hurt you feel must not be allowed to turn into hate, but instead into the search for justice. The loss you feel must not paralyze your own lives. Instead, you must try to pay tribute to your loved ones by continuing to do all the things they left undone."

As I watched the coverage, I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop-for the president to make specific proposals to stop terrorism before it spread further. It seemed obvious that a climactic opportunity was being wasted. But each time we spoke, the president said he felt handicapped by the FBI and by the needs of the investigation.

The Pseudo-Sanctions Against Iran

The Germans were right about one thing. Clinton was grandstanding when he signed the Iranian sanctions bill on August 6, 1996, days before the Republican National Convention nominated Bob Dole as his opponent. Piously, the president told our allies, "you cannot do business with countries that practice commerce with you by day while funding or protecting the terrorists who kill you and your innocent civilians by night."

But what Clinton didn't say when he signed the bill was that he never planned to enforce it. For the rest of his presidency, whenever a European company tripped the wire that should have led to sanctions, Clinton demurred, invoking the national security waiver. Hypocritical in the extreme, he had made a show of his toughness by signing a bill he never intended to use and by approving sanctions he never planned to impose.

Inaction on the Khobar Towers Bombing

When a truck carrying the equivalent of twenty thousand pounds of TNT exploded outside the Khobar Towers barracks in June 1996, President Clinton had his usual stern words for the attackers: "The explosion appears to be the work of terrorists, and if that is the case, like all Americans, I am outraged by it. The cowards who committed this murderous act must not go unpunished."

And yet, when the Saudi Arabian government discouraged FBI director Louis Freeh's efforts to investigate the attack, Clinton acquiesced.

The Khobar Towers bombing was bin Laden's second attack in eight months in Saudi Arabia. On November 12, 1995, he had orchestrated a bombing of the Office of the Program Manager of the Saudi National Guard in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. The U.S. military had used he building to train Saudi troops; five Americans were killed in the bombing. The Saudi government promptly arrested and quickly executed four men blamed for the attack. U.S. officials were never permitted to interrogate the suspects.

The Washington Post quoted a senior U.S. law-enforcement official as saying: "They [the Saudis] didn't let the FBI interview these guys and then they killed them." The official speculated that the Saudis did not want the United States to interview the bombers because it was "fearful of what we might find out once the United States gets a complete picture of those connected to the Riyadh bombing or to dissident movements." As we now know, that trail would have led straight to Osama bin Laden.

Iraq: Saddam Plays Clinton

When George H. W. Bush handed the White House over to Bill Clinton, Saddam Hussein was as completely under wraps as it is possible for a foreign leader of a sovereign state to be. His nation was blocked from selling oil and swarming with U.N. inspectors. Without revenue or the privacy in which to rearm, Saddam and his shattered military posed little international threat. But when Clinton passed power to Bush's son eight years later, Iraq was frantically rearming, its coffers bulging with $40-$60 million income daily from the sale of 2 million barrels of oil. Arms inspectors were nowhere to be found, having been thrown out of the country by the Iraqi dictator. Saddam was building a war machine that would once again frighten the world with its potential for deadly weapons of mass destruction.

As long as Saddam was willing to be "humiliated" before the American public and let Clinton play the part of the tough and resolute president on the public stage, he could get away with anything-and eventually did.

Even after 9/11, Clinton was still seeing the terrorist issue through his opaque lens. As George W. Bush was condemning terrorism as a force that must be obliterated, Clinton provided a window on his more complex and nuanced view of the subject in a speech at Georgetown University on November 7, 2001, barely two months after the attack.

Noting that terrorism "has a very long history, as long as organized combat itself," Clinton reminded his audience of what he labeled American terrorism, in an implicit reminder not to see the issue as a simple contrast of good vs. evil. He recited a genealogy of terrorism, from the Crusades through the slave trade and the treatment of Native Americans. Carrying his narrative into the present day, Clinton analogized terrorism to "hate crimes rooted in race, religion, or sexual orientation." The implication was clear: We were not all good, so they could not be all evil.

However, none of their efforts would have succeeded but for the fears, worries, and phobias that raged inside Bill Clinton's mind: fear that if he led American troops into a battle with casualties, his own draft record would return to bite him politically; worry that he would alienate his Hispanic constituency if he cracked down on illegal aliens; concern that an increase in the price of oil could spell his political doom; hesitation in the face of European intransigence and worry that his own foreign-policy experts would leak that he was incompetent and too political; willingness to believe he had a deal with North Korea when all he had was a vague and misleading statement of intentions; unwillingness to go to war with Saddam Hussein; trepidation that civil libertarian criticism would undermine his domestic support; and, finally, a morally relativist refusal to see Saddam, al Qaeda, or Kim Jong Il as forces of evil. These factors, more than any advice from his advisers, paralyzed Bill Clinton's efforts to stem the forces of terror.

By the second half of Clinton's second term, it was too late to focus on terrorism with the intensity the issue required. Disgraced by the Lewinsky scandal, distrusted for lying about his relationship with the intern, hounded by the Republicans during impeachment, Bill Clinton lacked the political and moral authority to stand up to international terror.

Not that he wanted to. As 1998, 1999, and then 2000 brought more and more evidence of an international terrorist conspiracy against America, he became more obsessed with his twin political goals: surviving impeachment and putting his wife in the U.S. Senate.

The White House became a campaign headquarters for Hillary. Bill Clinton had the worst of both worlds: the eroded power of a lame-duck president about to leave office and the timidity of a man focused on the next election. Would an invasion of Afghanistan with ground troops backfire? Was there enough support to pull it off? Would his critics say he was "wagging the dog"-using a war to regain his political footing? Were these risks worth taking as his wife was beginning her political career? No way.

And so Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, and Kim Jong Il lived to fight again another day-against a tougher president.

When Henry Kissinger asked Chinese foreign minister Chou En-Lai what he thought about the French Revolution of 1789, the Communist replied, "It's too soon to tell." We err when we judge a president too quickly after he leaves office. It is only in the hindsight of subsequent events that we understand the wisdom or the folly of his actions.

The success of the containment doctrine in bringing down the Soviet Union gave Harry Truman a vindication that was fifty years in coming.

Vietnam fell, and no other domino keeled over. Thailand, Burma, Malaysia, Singapore, the Philippines-all supposed further casualties of a failure to stop communism in Vietnam-survived our defeat just fine. And when Soviet communism fell fifteen years later, the folly of John-son's and Nixon's obsessions with Vietnam became apparent to all.

As the 1980s recede into history, Ronald Reagan's efforts to free the economy of government constraints seems wiser and wiser. Japan and Germany, the poster children for planned economies, stagnate, but Reagan's America keeps growing.

Bill Clinton looked a lot better in the White House than he does in the years since. We assumed that he had North Korea under control. He didn't. We let Clinton distract us from Saddam's warlike preparations. We shouldn't have. And we didn't give Osama bin Laden much thought. Big mistake.

In hindsight, Clinton left us naked and unprepared for the perils of terrorism. For all Clinton's accomplishments (welfare reform, crime reduction, the balanced budget, prosperity, and freer trade), and for all his failures (impeachment, Lewinsky, Paula Jones, the FBI files, Whitewater, and the pardons), it may well be his failure to fight terrorism that will dominate his legacy.

And it should.


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This is quite long and it is not breaking news, but I wanted it to get the broadest possible exposure.

In light of the 2nd anniversary of 9/11, I can think of nothing more fitting than to 1) never forget what happened on that day, 2) remember which group of human beings brought us this attack and 3) never forget which president slept (and did other things) while international forces aligned themselves to bring us 9/11/01.

1 posted on 09/12/2003 7:17:26 AM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: Jerrybob
In any other country, the Clintons would've been put on trial.
2 posted on 09/12/2003 7:25:00 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Jerrybob
<> I guess it never occurred to you that the same could be said for the Repubs during the impeachment scandal. Maybe seeing neocons mock the President, call him a murderer and a rapist and put him on a sham trial, helped enbolden them.
3 posted on 09/12/2003 7:26:50 AM PDT by soothsayer99
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To: Jerrybob
May be long, but certainly well worth the read. If there has ever been any doubt that Clinton is all about Clinton (me, me, me), this should erase it:

However, none of their efforts would have succeeded but for the fears, worries, and phobias that raged inside Bill Clinton's mind: fear that if he led American troops into a battle with casualties, his own draft record would return to bite him politically; worry that he would alienate his Hispanic constituency if he cracked down on illegal aliens; concern that an increase in the price of oil could spell his political doom; hesitation in the face of European intransigence and worry that his own foreign-policy experts would leak that he was incompetent and too political; willingness to believe he had a deal with North Korea when all he had was a vague and misleading statement of intentions; unwillingness to go to war with Saddam Hussein; trepidation that civil libertarian criticism would undermine his domestic support; and, finally, a morally relativist refusal to see Saddam, al Qaeda, or Kim Jong Il as forces of evil. These factors, more than any advice from his advisers, paralyzed Bill Clinton's efforts to stem the forces of terror.

4 posted on 09/12/2003 7:34:29 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: soothsayer99
The only difference is: Bill Clinton IS a rapist and it was no sham trial.
5 posted on 09/12/2003 7:35:40 AM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: Jerrybob
Remember that line next time you're angry at people for slamming Bush.

I'm not here to defend Clinton, and I'm not here to bash Bush. I'm here to make it known that I think that the mutual bashing is ruining the country. Conservatives and Liberals are so intent on undermining each other that they are united in only one thing ... undermining the whole nation in an effort to "get" one another.
6 posted on 09/12/2003 7:39:56 AM PDT by soothsayer99
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To: soothsayer99
Character counts. Republicans were correct to call Clinton on his lack of it. As messy as it was, it exposed Clintons for the self serving narcissists they are.
7 posted on 09/12/2003 7:41:10 AM PDT by SolutionsOnly
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To: SolutionsOnly
I disagree. Character only counts when you don't like the guy in the other party. I think the proof is in the bashing of Wes Clark. You may not think he'd be a good president, but he served his country well, is about as honorable as they come, and might be a good leader for us, just like Powell. But what do I read on these forums about him? Trash about how he "almost started WW3" and related garbage. He deserves on honest hearing if for no other reason than he served us all with bravery and distinction.

But no, he is bashed. It's not about character, it's about his joining the democrats.

8 posted on 09/12/2003 7:46:40 AM PDT by soothsayer99
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To: soothsayer99
That still wouldn't account for his inaction for WTC93, Riyahd, Kohbar or the African Embassy. No I think Somalia and the others I mentioned emboldened them.
9 posted on 09/12/2003 7:49:59 AM PDT by normy
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
In any other country, the Clintons would've been put on trial.

A 100 years ago in this country they would have been strung up.

10 posted on 09/12/2003 7:51:50 AM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: Jerrybob
All our terrorist problems were born during the Clinton years.
Maybe should read "All our major ..". Seems to me it started in late 60s/early 70s with PLO, Fatah(Arafat) etc, airplane hijackings, Munich Olympics etc and escalated thereafter.
11 posted on 09/12/2003 7:53:16 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: normy
I'm glad you mentioned Somalia. I happen to believe that that action turned into a disaster because Clinton didn't want to put in enough force because of fear of Republican backlash.

It goes both ways, though. I think Bush Sr. didn't take Saddam out the first time because of fear of Democratic backlash.

So there you go ... two examples of cases where fear of the other party "forced" us to make bad decisions for the nation.
12 posted on 09/12/2003 7:56:22 AM PDT by soothsayer99
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To: Jerrybob
bump
13 posted on 09/12/2003 7:57:50 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
You may be correct in your assumption that"In Any Other Country,The Clintons Would Have Been Put On Trial"We will(obviously)never know that but I think BeelzeBubba's real"Legacy"is the corrosiveness of"Moral Relativism"that he infected the country with during his most corrupt tenure as POTUS!!
14 posted on 09/12/2003 7:58:41 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: soothsayer99
So there you go ... two examples of cases where fear of the other party "forced" us to make bad decisions for the nation.

Your point is well taken.

It also makes Bush's recent foray into Iraq all the more remarkable.

15 posted on 09/12/2003 7:59:23 AM PDT by IncPen
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To: soothsayer99
I'm not here to defend Clinton, and I'm not here to bash Bush. I'm here to make it known that I think that the mutual bashing is ruining the country. Conservatives and Liberals are so intent on undermining each other that they are united in only one thing ... undermining the whole nation in an effort to "get" one another.

I've had it with this "equivalence" garbage.

There is not "mutual bashing". There were and are legitimate questions and accusations against clinton that are based on factual events. The charges against Bush are based on some event, then twisted and spun out of all recognition to truth, or lately charges are made up out of whole cloth. All in retribution for pulling back the curtain on clinton.

There are now four books, if one counts this Morris book as reputable, that expose the clinton administration's handling of terrorism (or lack thereof). I will say flatly that the accusations against President Bush time and again fall because they are baseless. Charges made years ago against clinton stand today, unrefuted or not disproven, at best.

(And I'm just counting these four books JUST released, not the book that was released a few months ago, I think the author was Patterson--that makes five.)

16 posted on 09/12/2003 7:59:56 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: soothsayer99
I think Somalia was way to early in his presidency to earn a Republican backlash. Not only that but Somalia occured because the White House wouldn't allow the General in charge the weapons needed to protect the forces on the ground. They feared it would be too high profile.

After the events in Somalia the Republicans would have loved to see vengance exacted on the perps but instead Clinton ran like a coward and embarassed our troops and our country. Clinton isn't reviled for the Black Hawk Down, he is revile for the cowardly way he reacted to it.
17 posted on 09/12/2003 8:03:36 AM PDT by normy
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To: soothsayer99
You're wrong. Character counts across the board. There's absolutely nothing conditional about character. Wes Clark has already tripped up in this regard - fabricating claims that the White House attempted to coerce and intimidate him. That sort of behavior opens the door to legitimate critisism.
18 posted on 09/12/2003 8:04:38 AM PDT by SolutionsOnly
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To: soothsayer99
but he served his country well, is about as honorable as they come,

Even Ed Koch, a democrat as he reminds us, who plans on voting for President Bush in 2004, said last night on Hannity and Colmes that Clark has been disgraceful in his criticism of this war and this president while our troops are engaged as they are.

You'll need to realize that all complaints are not created equal, and it is a fact that the dems warrant theirs and are forced to manufacture accusations against honorable Republicans in order to maintain an "everybody does it" atmosphere. You'll note that when a legitimate charge is proven against a Republican, it is that very party that removes the offender from a leadership position.

19 posted on 09/12/2003 8:04:38 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: 1066AD
Maybe should read "All our major ..". Seems to me it started in late 60s/early 70s with PLO, Fatah(Arafat) etc, airplane hijackings, Munich Olympics etc and escalated thereafter.

Unless you're taking the word our to mean the world's terrorist problems, the word major isn't needed.

The PLO, Fatah, and the Munich Olympics terrorism weren't specifically targetted at us. US-targeted terrorism was, for the most part, unorganized and sporadic until the 90's.

The terrorism problems Morris is addressing are specifically those targeted at the United States.

20 posted on 09/12/2003 8:06:19 AM PDT by Bob (http://www.TomMcClintock.com)
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To: soothsayer99
Clinton cut and ran from Somolia like a coward. It only served to embolden terrorists by making us look weak - which I suppose we were with that sort of 'leadership'.
21 posted on 09/12/2003 8:08:28 AM PDT by SolutionsOnly
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To: cyncooper
I can name about 100 books that advocate and make arguments for eugenics. Doesn't make it true or a good idea.

You said that, "The charges against Bush are based on some event, then twisted and spun out of all recognition to truth, or lately charges are made up out of whole cloth."

I know people who could argue us both under the table who could make an excellent case otherwise. You know the drill, no WMD, no imminent threat, Halliburton, etc.

But no matter what you or I think the execs did/do wrong, shouldn't there be a more civilized way to have our concerns addressed?

What I am leading to is ... what do you think of a movement to bring the equivilent of "Prime Minister's Question Hour" to American government? That way we'd all get our concerns, suscpicions, questions, outrages and accolades out in one place where they could be addressed directly by the administration no matter what party is in power?
22 posted on 09/12/2003 8:10:03 AM PDT by soothsayer99
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To: Jerrybob
Why didn't Clinton visit the site? The emphasis in his public statements and in the demeanor of New York officials in the aftermath of the attack was to avoid an "overreaction." Worried about public panic, and perhaps concerned that a presidential visit would get in the way of rescue and investigative efforts, New York officials told Clinton to stay away.

Okay, but what about afterward? President Bush let the smoke clear at Ground Zero for a few days after 9/11, but less than a week went by before he went and memorably addressed the rescue workers through a bullhorn, rallying them and reinvigorating America's sagging spirits. Bill Clinton, on the other hand, never visited the World Trade Center in the aftermath of the 1993 bombing.

Clinton didn't go to the WTC in '93, but he did go in 2001. WHY?

23 posted on 09/12/2003 8:13:28 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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To: SolutionsOnly
Now, c'mon. Should we say Reagan "cut and ran" from Beruit? Simplistic and unfair, just like accusing Clinton of the same thing.
24 posted on 09/12/2003 8:14:05 AM PDT by soothsayer99
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To: soothsayer99
...what do you think of a movement to bring the equivilent of "Prime Minister's Question Hour" to American government? That way we'd all get our concerns, suscpicions, questions, outrages and accolades out in one place where they could be addressed directly by the administration no matter what party is in power?

But, it is Parliament that questions Blair, not the public. If we let the Democrats in Congress start questioning Bush, they will never call a recess and the government will be in gridlock! :)

25 posted on 09/12/2003 8:15:21 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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To: soothsayer99
I think Bush Sr. didn't take Saddam out the first time because of fear of Democratic backlash.

Baloney. It had everything to do with the fact that the UN resolutions on the Iraq-Kuwait situation didn't authorize it. Doing anything more than liberating Kuwait from Iraqi occupation and establishing sanctions on Iraq would have been an international relations disaster.

Taking out Saddam was not an option. Had GHWB tried, the whole world would have gone nuts over his exceeding his UN authority.

26 posted on 09/12/2003 8:15:33 AM PDT by Bob (http://www.TomMcClintock.com)
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To: soothsayer99
I know people who could argue us both under the table who could make an excellent case otherwise. You know the drill, no WMD, no imminent threat, Halliburton, etc.

You may know people who could wield lies and "argue you under the table", but not I.

LOL

The book is as good as the documentation and witnesses it provides. I cited the number of just released books that all support the same premise. You're correct, the number doesn't indicate the fact of the matter---the documentation they provide does.

As to your last idea---I certainly enjoy watching Parliament, but I really don't think I want all the jeers and even howls of approval to be incorporated in our way of governance.

27 posted on 09/12/2003 8:17:10 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
As a New Yorker, the answer to that question is easy. The earlier WTC bombing hardly make New York stop and glance. Maybe if you watched it on TV you thought otherwise, but we're busy around here and it takes alot to get us to care about much of anything. The incredible power of 9/11 was that they got the attention of an entire city of people who don't stop any pay attention to anything.
28 posted on 09/12/2003 8:17:24 AM PDT by soothsayer99
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Just lick your chops and think of the next Democratic President your reps could grill.
29 posted on 09/12/2003 8:19:28 AM PDT by soothsayer99
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To: soothsayer99
Bashing is as perennial as the grass (to quote Desiderata). Any use of the military is going to prompt criticism. Even the actions against the Taliban were protested. There is no free lunch in foreign policy, particulalry in the use of miltary force. Question is: Will you do what's right even though you're going to be criticized.

A perfect example was early in 1998. Madeleine Albright, William Cohen and Sandy Berger went to Ohio State to put forth the case that Saddam Hussein needed to be removed through the use of military force. They made, I thought, persuasive arguments. The McCains and Warners of the world were in full support. Well they were heckled by students and other attendees. The idea of going to war was now viewed as carrying too high a popularity hit and nothing was done.

That backtrack had two possible explanations:

I'd vote it was the latter case. From what we're now hearing, it appears Bill Clinton wouldn't address any national security concerns if it hurt his popularity.

IMHO "Character Counts" is too generic. It sounds like a holier than thou assertion. The real issue is whether a President uphold & defend the Constitution even when it hurts his own presidency, legacy, or chance of reelection.

30 posted on 09/12/2003 8:19:49 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
And in another day in America, where the majority valued her institutions and freedoms, we would have executed this traitor.
31 posted on 09/12/2003 8:22:20 AM PDT by twigs
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To: cyncooper
Ed is a homosexual. I just mention that for the character thing ya'll are so concerned about :>)

(I've been good as gold. Permit me one dig)
32 posted on 09/12/2003 8:22:43 AM PDT by soothsayer99
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To: Jerrybob
This article is about 95% true...Morris writes this from a standpoint that Clinton was mired in his own self inequities which prevented him politically from pursuing Saddam, Bin Laden and that really Ill guy in Korea. What a load of crap. The 95% true part relates to all the issues Morris points out in his article, but he fails miserably on the other 5%.

However, Morris misses some examples like this...Never once does he mention Clinton's pardoning of FALN T-E-R-R-O-R-I-S-T-S....

If Bush had pardoned former terrorists in the wake of an election, the media would be having a collective cow-gasm

I, to this day firmly believe, that Bill and Hillary Clinton are complicit in all of this terrorist activity. And there is too much information out there to think otherwise. And these people are still in our midst trying to assume power...

If Bill Clinton was mired in his own inequities as President, he would slink away and go back to Arkansas or Russia or Communist China.

Instead he continues to offer himself up as a center piece to solving America's problems by succesting we blame ourselves. These people know they are not popular.

If someone is not popular at something would they continue to subject themselves to it? No...not unless you had other plans...and those plans needed Osama, Saddam and that really Ill guy in pj's....

33 posted on 09/12/2003 8:23:19 AM PDT by grumple
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To: Jerrybob
bttt
34 posted on 09/12/2003 8:24:44 AM PDT by spoiler2
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To: grumple
Are you people serious? Clinton should have been executed as a traitor? The Clintons complicit in terrorist activity?

My goodness, I had no idea that some of you were, well, insane.
35 posted on 09/12/2003 8:25:24 AM PDT by soothsayer99
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To: soothsayer99
Do you know what complicit means?
36 posted on 09/12/2003 8:26:01 AM PDT by grumple
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To: grumple
yes.
37 posted on 09/12/2003 8:26:52 AM PDT by soothsayer99
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To: Jerrybob
Amazing. Dick still has a little spin left. He fails, like all our 'pundits', conservatives included, to mention our getting in bed with terrorist Islamists in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Clinton's worst crime IMO, was the 78 day bombing of Serbia. Now Gen Clark, the mad General he put in charge, wants to be president.

Bush better get some smarts and support Russia in Chechnya, Serbia in the Balkans, and Israel in Palistine. I don't think we can contain the spread of the fanatics by ourselves. The UN is even on their side and NATO has been corrupted by neo atitudes of Germany and France.

38 posted on 09/12/2003 8:27:17 AM PDT by duckln
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To: duckln
What do you mean by "neo attitudes"?
39 posted on 09/12/2003 8:28:32 AM PDT by soothsayer99
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To: soothsayer99
I think Bush Sr. didn't take Saddam out the first time because of fear of Democratic backlash.

That was not Bush Sr.'s decision alone. Saddad wasn't taken out because the first Gulf War was one fought by committee. It's my understanding that the huge UN coalition, but primarily Saudi Arabia, objected to going after Saddam. The coalition's objective was to get him out of Kuwait, period.
40 posted on 09/12/2003 8:30:54 AM PDT by Fawnn (NEVER FORGET!!! God Bless America! God Bless our Commander in Chief and our Troops!)
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To: soothsayer99
Good...then I believe some of the assumptions about Bill Clinton are completely warranted. If you have someone that's interested in converting a free, capitalist society into a nanny-state government-run, socialistic imposed commonplace, then wouldn't you want them to admit it?

Would you care to take a chance at explaining the pardon of terrorists, when you are apparently already worried about fighting terrorism politically?

Ever served in the military to the point where you witnessed first hand the social playground it was used for? Not to mention the purposeful destruction of morale and welfare?

I could go on and on...
41 posted on 09/12/2003 8:32:11 AM PDT by grumple
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To: Bob
[Bush Sr. not taking out Saddam] had everything to do with the fact that the UN resolutions on the Iraq-Kuwait situation didn't authorize it. Doing anything more than liberating Kuwait from Iraqi occupation and establishing sanctions on Iraq would have been an international relations disaster.

Taking out Saddam was not an option. Had GHWB tried, the whole world would have gone nuts over his exceeding his UN authority.


Exactly!
42 posted on 09/12/2003 8:33:07 AM PDT by Fawnn (NEVER FORGET!!! God Bless America! God Bless our Commander in Chief and our Troops!)
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To: SolutionsOnly
Character counts. Republicans were correct to call Clinton on his lack of it.

Was Larry Flynt also correct for exposing the lack of character of several Republicans?

43 posted on 09/12/2003 8:34:36 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: soothsayer99
Are you people serious? Clinton should have been executed as a traitor? The Clintons complicit in terrorist activity?

You can consider it insanity, but I believe it with all my heart. You may want to read Betrayal by Bill Gertz to get a better grasp of Clinton's monumental failure towards national security.


44 posted on 09/12/2003 8:34:52 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Quilla
I could suggest you read "The Clinton Wars" by Sydney Blumenthal to get a clear pitcure on how great the Clinton Presidency was, but I have a feeling you won't do it.

I'm going to sign off now, but I leave you with a heavy heart. There is obviously little chance that things will change. And I am certain that like the Roman Empire, we will destroy ourselves from within and every basher on both sides is a part of it.

Hope your day goes well.

Peace


45 posted on 09/12/2003 8:42:12 AM PDT by soothsayer99
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To: soothsayer99
I notice it is the "tolerant" left that wields outing of homosexuals (is there anybody who didn't know that about Koch?) as a triumphant card to play to undermine them if they don't toe the official line.

46 posted on 09/12/2003 8:47:12 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: soothsayer99
<> I guess it never occurred to you that the same could be said for the Repubs during the impeachment scandal. Maybe seeing neocons mock the President, call him a murderer and a rapist and put him on a sham trial, helped enbolden them.

Republicans didn't call him a rapist. His accusers did. The trial was a sham only because the sworn president committed perjury.

Impeachment scandal? Nooooo, you're not a Clinton defender. You're a journalist, right? Objective, fair, balanced?

Did not the scandal -- and WJC's subsequent perjury -- lead to the impeachment?

Your assertion that Clinton based important policy decisions on how those mean, nasty republicans might do to him is silly drivel.

The Clintons and their ilk were most successful in marginalizing their political opponents just as they marginalized the FBI and CIA.

47 posted on 09/12/2003 8:51:48 AM PDT by RightRules
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To: soothsayer99
I could suggest you read "The Clinton Wars" by Sydney Blumenthal to get a clear pitcure on how great the Clinton Presidency was, but I have a feeling you won't do it.

Oh, my! You are going to cite Blumenthal to buttress clinton as a "great" president?

What a joke.

48 posted on 09/12/2003 8:53:17 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Jerrybob
Dick, I wouldn't plan any hunting trips to Arkansas for a while. Particlarly if you're flying in a light aircraft.
49 posted on 09/12/2003 8:56:11 AM PDT by rootntootn
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To: soothsayer99
Please take your medication!!!
50 posted on 09/12/2003 8:56:53 AM PDT by bevlar
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