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MSNBC- Recall election to be delayed
Pete Williams MSNBC ^ | Pete Williams

Posted on 09/15/2003 10:18:32 AM PDT by Ragirl

California Appeals Court - Recall should be blocked!!!

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2003election; 9thcircuit; 9thcircuitcourt; circus; circustent; davisrecalleelection; democrap; dirtytricks; election2003; floriduhagain; graydavis; impeachthe9th; outofcontrol; recall; thefixisin
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To: Sabertooth
As Rush L. just pointed out the SCOTUS last avoided state election issues as they came up in the Torricelli race.
201 posted on 09/15/2003 10:56:21 AM PDT by flamefront (To the victor go the oils. No oil or oil-money for islamofascist weapons of mass annihilation.)
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To: Weimdog
A DK Classic!
202 posted on 09/15/2003 10:56:26 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: Ragirl
What a total pile of crap. The latest numbers I just heard on Fox News was that the ruling covers counties that represent 44% of California voters. If this ruling covers 44% of voters, how could it be strictly disenfranchising minority voters? Do they give different punch card ballots to white people?

Where was the ACLU just this last Fall when Gray-out Davis was re-elected? After all, the same punch card system was used for that election.

Furthermore, woudl the ACLU even be involved if Gray-out was way ahead in all the polls? I don't think so.

And on to my own personal thoughts on voting in general - If you cannot vote properly on any of the current systems (assuming that it's not a computer ballot that has lots of software bugs like they have experienced in Little Rock, Arkansas), then you probably don't have the mental capacity to vote in the first place. This is especially true with the help that is available at 99.9% of polling places (that are often staffed with volunteers who are quite liberal....).

Are these liberal judges trying to say that minorities are idiots or retarded? After all, the minorities are supposedly the only ones who get disenfranchised by these ballots....
204 posted on 09/15/2003 10:56:47 AM PDT by TheBattman (Did I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: pogo101
Bring the torches and the pitchforks. Were heading to San Francisco.
205 posted on 09/15/2003 10:56:56 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: CoolGuyVic
"outmoded punchcard ballots". Is was okay in FL, until algore lost, now its the means of "last ditch" effort to save graydavis.
206 posted on 09/15/2003 10:57:05 AM PDT by ampat
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To: bootless
I recall Congressman Billybob saying that SCOTUS will probably act on an emergency basis on this one. It will probably be overturned quickly.

All the polls have been saying that this is the most closely watched election in a long time.....maybe a lot of folks that were paying attn will now go back to baseball and football and think that the race is off til next year. If this gets overturned and put back on, the Dems may just have deflated their own turnout.....And Bustamante is now faced with a really long campaign and limited fundraising ability (except from the gaming tribes which is a liability).

207 posted on 09/15/2003 10:57:10 AM PDT by ScottinSacto (www.rtumble.com for all the CA political news)
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To: Ragirl
I'm in Georgia's 6th Distict. Newt was my Congressman. It is a very white/upper middle class area. Homes are in the 400,000 - 600,000 range.

My polling place last election was PUNCH CARDS!
In the twelve years I have lived in Georgia I have always used PUNCH CARDS. Last election the inner city got the computers and I was left with PUNCH CARDS.

I was able to vote with PUNCH CARDS without any difficulty.
208 posted on 09/15/2003 10:57:22 AM PDT by Republican Red
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To: So Cal Rocket
Another thing to keep in mind... campaign finance rules prohibit donations to any of the people running for Governor to $21,200/person. On the other hand, there are absolutely NO spending restrictions on Gray Davis and his "NO ON RECALL" campaign. With another 6 months to pander to the unions, indian casinos, public employee coalitions and reap the rewards with many $1M donations, Davis will be able to dominate the airways with his campaign - while the challengers must now make their paltry campaign funds stretch another 6 months.

Brilliant insight. This should be the reason SCOTUS overturns the decision.

(I bet they refuse to hear it.)

209 posted on 09/15/2003 10:57:25 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Peach
someone e-mail Rush!

If you want a job done right... :)

210 posted on 09/15/2003 10:57:30 AM PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: Ragirl
Minority voters would be disenfranchised due to old equipment. Injunction blocking the recall election.

Better: Minority voters disenfranchised due to stupidity!!

211 posted on 09/15/2003 10:57:46 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American Way! Toby Keith)
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To: bootless
Not if the US Supremes leave the decision up To Sandra Day O. as I believe they will. She will protect her darling DIVERSITY decisson!!! (I'm too pist to spellcheck!)
212 posted on 09/15/2003 10:57:51 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Repub RINO's... If at first you don't succeed... Give Up!!!)
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To: Mike Darancette
For the record for all, the US Supreme Court has appellate jurisdiction over both federal circuit courts of appeals and state supreme courts.

US Constitution, article III
213 posted on 09/15/2003 10:57:54 AM PDT by mwl1
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To: JFC
Watching Clinton strutting through a black church is like watching Mr. Charley stroll down from the plantation house to the slave cabins to get some brown sugar.
214 posted on 09/15/2003 10:58:02 AM PDT by Argus
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To: Peach
Hearing on FOX per their legal analyst that what can happen next is that the ENTIRE 9th Circuit count (35 members he said) can be brought to decide if this partial court decision will stand.

This court has ruled against the Justice Dept per the Voters Rights Act.

Hoping Freepers will comment on these issues.

Prairie
215 posted on 09/15/2003 10:58:04 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by The American Democratic Party, also known as Al Qaeda, Western Division.)
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To: prairiebreeze
--Bubba greased some palms over the weekend. You can take that to the bank.--

They are getting very blatent, this one looks sooo obvious.
216 posted on 09/15/2003 10:58:06 AM PDT by fml
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To: Ragirl
They are such @!#$%(%^)(U^$U&^($*&)^&*_ LIARS!!!!!!!!! They weren't all sweaty and concerned about delaying the vote last year when Davis and DEMS won everything. How come they could count on the morons to punch their chads out back then, but not now?
217 posted on 09/15/2003 10:58:12 AM PDT by Cinnamon Girl
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To: epluribus_2
I hope this just blows up in their faces - I don't care whose, so long as it helps the republicans.

It better! They are busily turing California intoanotehr Venzuala ... this is an "ALL IN" poker play. Win or Lose. We cant back down or come 2006, Busta-move will be (re)elected with huge numbers of 'votes' from his SB60-created voters.

We should demand of Davis "Do the right thing - Resign!" Let's see if he has the balls to do and let Busta-move take over .. (this is their plan B to stop a GOP takeover).

218 posted on 09/15/2003 10:58:12 AM PDT by WOSG (Dont put Cali on CRUZ CONTROL.)
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To: Smogger
That particular decision was argued in, and issued by judges "based" in, Pasadena.
219 posted on 09/15/2003 10:58:13 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: Peach
They refused to take the New Jersey case with Torrecelli saying it was a state's issue.

Applese and Organges. If it's a "states" issue why did a Federal Court just intervene?

220 posted on 09/15/2003 10:58:16 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: justshe
Interesting re your #200!
221 posted on 09/15/2003 10:58:18 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
The NJ case was appealed from the State Supreme court directly to SCOTUS, not from a Federal Appeals Court. I do not know if this makes any difference, but it seems to me it should.
222 posted on 09/15/2003 10:58:28 AM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: Right Wing Professor
Here come the illegals - getting their motor-voter drivers license vote registations JANUARY 1st, 2004!!!
223 posted on 09/15/2003 10:58:43 AM PDT by flamefront (To the victor go the oils. No oil or oil-money for islamofascist weapons of mass annihilation.)
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To: Peach
I'd say what was on my mind about what needs to be done about these damned activist judges, but doing so would get FR and me in hot water.
224 posted on 09/15/2003 10:58:52 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: Ragirl
Time that we admited to ourselves we are no longer a republic, nor even a democracy, but rather a judiciocracy (to coin a term).
225 posted on 09/15/2003 10:58:54 AM PDT by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Peach
I agree with Rush on this. The SCOTUS don't want to get involved in elections again, especially state ones.
226 posted on 09/15/2003 10:59:04 AM PDT by rintense (9-11-01: Never Forget.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Why can't California borrow some election machines from another state that isn't using them during this period?
227 posted on 09/15/2003 10:59:28 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Tree of Liberty
SCOTUS does not have to assemble to rule on this. Judge Napolitano on Fox, right now, is saying that the Circuit Justice on this is Kennedy. I believe he's wrong on that.

He is also saying that the one Justice can only stay the lower court's order for a limited time "to let the whole Court decide whether to take the case." On this he is DEAD WRONG. I obtained exactly such an Order in September, 1976 compelling the State of Texas to put Eugene McCarthy on their ballot for President in 1976. That Order stood, and the Supreme Court NEVER did take that case.

I'll follow up with other comments as I read through these comments.

John / Billybob

228 posted on 09/15/2003 10:59:32 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Everyone talks about Congress; I am doing something about it.)
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To: Am I Blue?
after January 1 the illegals will vote...aarg!
229 posted on 09/15/2003 10:59:37 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: AntiGuv
Federal Election Law is fairly clear on Presidential elections. Bush V. Gore was about a State Court trumping a Federal Election. This is different in that it is a Federal Court trumping a State Election and State Law.

It is iffy on how this might come out.

230 posted on 09/15/2003 10:59:39 AM PDT by Credo
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To: grayout
Well that's a fat LIE! I live in a wealthy district and WE HAVE PUNCH CARDS!
231 posted on 09/15/2003 10:59:40 AM PDT by Cinnamon Girl
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To: King Prout
I'm having the same thoughts.
232 posted on 09/15/2003 10:59:57 AM PDT by CheneyChick (Yes on Recall, No on Bustamante. JoinArnold.com.)
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To: Tree of Liberty
Good point. I don't think I understand the issues well enough to correct Rush.

But I like your thinking:-)
233 posted on 09/15/2003 11:00:18 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: justshe
knowing this court, they will take the case, stay the order, let the election proceed, then uphold the Circuit Court decision next summer, leaving the election results intact but forever in question - did I nail their style or what?
234 posted on 09/15/2003 11:00:20 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I would NOT be surprised if the supreme court declined to hear this...They have declined many other important issues like the miguel estrada nomination...which could have put an end to this BS.
235 posted on 09/15/2003 11:00:24 AM PDT by Capitalism2003
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To: Sabertooth
The SCOTUS is scattered about on vacation.
236 posted on 09/15/2003 11:00:26 AM PDT by flamefront (To the victor go the oils. No oil or oil-money for islamofascist weapons of mass annihilation.)
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To: Republican Red
I was able to vote with PUNCH CARDS without any difficulty.

That's because you're not a MORON. Morons, however, are the protected elite now in our country. After all, how can liberalism survive without them? Soon there will be a ruling that decrees that every MORON must be accompanied into the booth by a government "helper". Guess which party will benefit from that.
237 posted on 09/15/2003 11:00:30 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: mwl1
there is a difference in this case from NJ...NJ was a state court...9th is a Federal...the USSC had BETTER be concerned about a Federal court...frankly, they should have no jurisdiction, it's a state matter. That might be their ticket out, they can void the 9th's ruling since it is a state matter. I know the 9th is involved since FEC gets involved, but that might be seen as weak in this case.
238 posted on 09/15/2003 11:00:32 AM PDT by Keith
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To: doodlelady
Apparently it will now be appealed to SCOTUS so this is NOT final by any means.

And SCOTUS will spank the 9th circuit. :)

The recall will go forward.

239 posted on 09/15/2003 11:00:33 AM PDT by veronica (http://www.PetitionOnline.com/bombings/petition.html - Homicide bombings = war crimes - sign this!)
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To: Ragirl
And the elites are saying:

This revolution - is ovah!
240 posted on 09/15/2003 11:00:46 AM PDT by Penner
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To: Argus
And they welcome him with open arms.....I guess they must think alike....
241 posted on 09/15/2003 11:01:07 AM PDT by TheBattman (Did I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: mewzilla
And the ACLU signed an agreement with the state of California that DOES NOT require the punch card system to be replaced until the 2004 Presidential Election.

Of course, when the 'rats are losing, they will use any means possible to try to snatch victory from defeat.

How many judges on the 9th Circuit are Clinton appointees?

How many Fedral judges have been appointed by President Bush AND BEEN APPROVED by the US Senate?

242 posted on 09/15/2003 11:01:19 AM PDT by A_Niceguy_in_CA
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To: flamefront
Registrations
243 posted on 09/15/2003 11:01:27 AM PDT by flamefront (To the victor go the oils. No oil or oil-money for islamofascist weapons of mass annihilation.)
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To: Sabertooth
I'm not a lawyer and, therefore, might have a flawed understanding of the matter. But as I understand the details of what the SCOTUS decided in its rulings in the 2000 Florida case, to remain consistent with those rulings, it will have to overturn the 9th Circuit on this.
244 posted on 09/15/2003 11:01:36 AM PDT by Wolfstar (NO SECURITY = NO ECONOMY)
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To: Teacher317
'fraid I'm not
245 posted on 09/15/2003 11:01:46 AM PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: epluribus_2
You BRILLIANTLY nailed their style!
246 posted on 09/15/2003 11:02:14 AM PDT by justshe ("Do you trust a Democrat to protect America?")
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To: Ragirl
Join Us…Your One Thread To All The California Recall News Threads!

Want on our daily or major news ping lists? Freepmail DoctorZin

247 posted on 09/15/2003 11:02:39 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: So Cal Rocket
In March: a vote for recall=2/3 rebate of your car tax, works for me.
248 posted on 09/15/2003 11:02:46 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Por La Raza Mierda.)
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To: Republicus2001
after January 1 the illegals will vote...aarg!

Not if we can get 375.000 verified signatures for a referendum overturning SB60 before December 4th.


249 posted on 09/15/2003 11:02:54 AM PDT by Sabertooth (Arnold opposes the driver's licenses, but he also wants to lobby DC to legalize Illegal Aliens. Ah.)
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
Judiocracy - you're right - that's what we're becoming.

A country run by liberal judges.
250 posted on 09/15/2003 11:02:58 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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