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PROST! Bavaria voted, Schröder suffers big poll defeat!
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Posted on 09/21/2003 10:54:25 AM PDT by Michael81Dus

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:03:08 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

MUNICH, Germany (Reuters) -- Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's party suffered its worst election defeat in Bavaria since World War Two on Sunday, beaten in Germany's second most populous state by the conservatives for the 13th time in a row.

Schroeder's Social Democrats fell more than 10 points to 18.5 percent in Bavaria, according to a television exit poll released after polling stations closed at 6 p.m. (1600 GMT).


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bavaria; elections; germany; schroeder

1 posted on 09/21/2003 10:54:26 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
I hope GWB calls to congratulate him.
2 posted on 09/21/2003 11:19:15 AM PDT by rickmichaels (The root cause of anti-Americanism is envy.)
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To: rickmichaels
Gott sei dank! Bayern ist nicht Deutschland.
3 posted on 09/21/2003 11:56:42 AM PDT by nathanbedford (qqua)
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To: nathanbedford
Yeah, Bavaria is always special. I love Bavaria, and it seems to me that Bavarians tend more to think like Americans regarding self-responsibility, pursuit of happiness, etc. Bavarians are social, but they´re not as socialist as e.g. the people in East Germany.
4 posted on 09/21/2003 12:05:18 PM PDT by Michael81Dus (German, and proud of it.)
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To: rickmichaels
I don´t think that the President will do so. It´s unusual that the leader of the free world congratulates a re-elected State PM of an allied nation. But then again, Bush spoke to Hessian PM Koch (also a German Conservative) when Koch visited the White House this year.

Nevertheless, this is indeed a historical victory and, more important, another slap into Schröders face by the German voters!
5 posted on 09/21/2003 12:08:53 PM PDT by Michael81Dus (German, and proud of it.)
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To: nathanbedford

Yodelei yodelei yodele-he-hoe

aber
doch. doch
Bayern ist Deutschland!
6 posted on 09/21/2003 12:17:41 PM PDT by inPhase
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To: Michael81Dus
Bavarian Creme donuts are awesome
7 posted on 09/21/2003 12:29:51 PM PDT by Johnbalaya
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To: Johnbalaya
LOL, what do you exactly mean with that? We have plenty of proudcts in our bakeries. Did you know that Germany is the world champion in bread-baking? We´ve more than 320 different sorts of bread. So what kind of creme was it? Vanilla?

The Bavarians have proven today, that they´re not only good in beer-brewing and white-sausage-making, no, they´re clever in politics too. Thank you Bavaria, for giving my party a 2/3 majority in the state parliament!

8 posted on 09/21/2003 12:34:18 PM PDT by Michael81Dus (German, and proud of it.)
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To: Michael81Dus
Son served in the US Army in Southern Bavaria...Bamberg.
9 posted on 09/21/2003 12:41:11 PM PDT by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: Michael81Dus
Grias God, Boarn! Fröhliche Wiesn...and congratulations. Way to stick it to the Saupreis with the bad dye job.
10 posted on 09/21/2003 12:44:02 PM PDT by RichInOC ("...oder 'ne Haarfarbesteuer...och no, besser nich'...")
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To: Michael81Dus
LOL, it is a popular American Donut my German friend. Bavarian Creme (available at Dunkin' Donuts and Krispy Kreme if you should come to visit the US) is a sugar powdered donut (no hole) filled with a yellowish vanilla tasting creme. Very very good for making one fat and happy!
11 posted on 09/21/2003 12:45:14 PM PDT by Johnbalaya
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To: Michael81Dus


Bavarian Governor Edmund Stoiber, right, and Munich's mayor Christian Ude toast as Stoiber's wife Karin, center, looks on after the opening of the Oktoberfest in Munich, southern Germany, Saturday, Sept. 20, 2003. The Oktoberfest - the world's biggest beer festival - will be opened until Oct. 5, 2003. (AP Photo/Ferdinand Ostrop). (AP)
12 posted on 09/21/2003 12:48:46 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: Johnbalaya
Ah, :-D ic!!
Unfortunately, Dunkin Donuts Deutschland is only in Berlin - a place where I´m not too often. But whenever I am there, I buy Donuts, lots of donuts!

Some months to go, then I´ll be in the US again... or don´t you call CA part of the US anymore? I guess that depends on Oct 7th vote... right? ;)
13 posted on 09/21/2003 12:51:34 PM PDT by Michael81Dus (German, and proud of it.)
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To: OldFriend
And despite all the calls for immediate pullout of US troops out of my country, I´m grateful for having (had) them here. They´re welcome, I haven´t heart anything else here.
14 posted on 09/21/2003 12:57:52 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: July 4th
It was a good weekend for Edmund Stoiber. Yesterday, he watched Christian Ude tap the first keg of Oktoberfest. Today, he continued the theme by pounding the SPD in the bunghole.
15 posted on 09/21/2003 1:01:33 PM PDT by RichInOC (In Muenchen steht ein CSU...oans, zwoa, gsuffa!)
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To: Michael81Dus
The plans to close many bases in Germany was in the works long before Germany's refusal to help us in Iraq.
16 posted on 09/21/2003 1:02:51 PM PDT by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: Michael81Dus

17 posted on 09/21/2003 1:04:39 PM PDT by xp38
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To: OldFriend
I know and it´s understandable. Unfortunately, the ´right´ states will be affected by that. Everyone will understand that the DoD sees no sense in keeping so many GI´s in a country that is surrounded by friends. What I will not accept is, when the US take back their security guarantee they gave us (defending our territory with nukes in case of an attack with NBC-weapons), but that is definitely not going to happen.
18 posted on 09/21/2003 1:09:30 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: nathanbedford
Bayern ist das beste Teil von Deutschland!
19 posted on 09/21/2003 1:11:23 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Michael81Dus
My wife and I were in Munich and Fussen in April of this year. There is no better beer in the World than Bavarian beer and the sausages were outstanding. My wife thought she would dislike Bavaria and instead fell in love with it. I hope you have as good a time in the U.S., as we did in Munich and Fussen.
20 posted on 09/21/2003 1:12:55 PM PDT by johndpringle
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To: xp38; RichInOC
This is indeed a great day! And I´m so damned glad that the people have given Schröder another warning he should understand.

Stoiber is now in a position to ask every office he wants. He can become the next Federal President or the next CDU/CSU-candidate for chancellor. But, more likely, he will stay in Munich and use his influence on the national policy through the upper house of the states.
21 posted on 09/21/2003 1:13:14 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Although I live in Northern Germany, and there´s traditionally a rivalry between Prussians and Bavarians, but I tend to agree. :)
22 posted on 09/21/2003 1:14:19 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
Bavarians indeed think more like Americans - and specifically Southerners. They are conservative, self-starters, devout (though largely Catholic instead of Southern Baptist), and they know how to have a good time. And like Southerners they tend to be looked down on by other segments of the population ("ein kleines diebisches Bergvolk". :-D )

I found that when I was living there I got along swimmingly by thinking of them as "good old boys in Lederhosen". I never had a minute's worth of trouble with anybody in Bayern, and we all had a good time.

23 posted on 09/21/2003 1:25:52 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: RichInOC
Yesterday, he watched Christian Ude tap the first keg of Oktoberfest. Today, he continued the theme by pounding the SPD in the bunghole.

D-oh! Tap and bunghole in the same post...

24 posted on 09/21/2003 1:28:09 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: AnAmericanMother
The way it was explained to me, Bavaria is the "Texas" of Germany. The hefe-weissen is to die for, as yet unduplicated in the US. Same with the bratwurst, yumm.

Even people who don't like beer, like hefe-weissen. Roughly 30 per cent of Germans drink it, so it can't be all bad.
25 posted on 09/21/2003 1:35:32 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: AnAmericanMother
But actually their reputation has grown. They´ve successfully combined traditions with a modern economy. Times, when Bavarian economy meant agriculture, are past. Bavaria - along with neighbour Baden-Württemberg - has the lowest unemployment rate, highest productivity, etc. They´re leading, even though they´re struggling because of the national laws.
26 posted on 09/21/2003 1:39:32 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus; All
and from the NYT -- a nette mensch ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/21/international/europe/21GERM.html
(or search at google to avoid the nyt info tax)


complaining about the 1 party state...
27 posted on 09/21/2003 2:10:06 PM PDT by inPhase
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To: Michael81Dus
Congratulations
28 posted on 09/21/2003 2:11:19 PM PDT by Sparta (CLARK 2004: Psychotic, perfumed prince, globalist, Clintonista. What's not to love.)
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To: inPhase
"It is a danger to democracy," Mr. Maget said in a brief interview after his last formal campaign speech. "Democracy depends on a power balance. It may sound defensive to talk about this two-thirds majority, but we have to warn people."

I don´t think so. In Bavaria, a 2/3 majority cannot change the constitution - a vote of the people is required for that.

Ok, there are other things the CSU can decide on their own (e.g. to ban the public out of the parliament and even investigation committees), but we´re still democrats and respect the opinions of others. It´s typical the Left: reproaching US with anti-democratic attitude just because THEY´re near zero sympathy in the state!

29 posted on 09/21/2003 2:17:29 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
Thanks. Just got back from celebrating Oktoberfest in Michigan's "Little Bavaria," Frankenmuth. A good time was had by all!
30 posted on 09/21/2003 2:17:38 PM PDT by The Energizer
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To: Sparta
Thanks, just one day after New York held the Steube Parade, celebrating German-American friendship with 500,000 people at the streets this is good news.

"God with you, you land of the Bavarians" (beginning of the Bavarian anthem) and God bless America!
31 posted on 09/21/2003 2:20:06 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: July 4th
Why does "Oktoberfest" begin in September??
32 posted on 09/21/2003 2:21:18 PM PDT by quebecois
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To: quebecois
http://www.oktoberfest.de/en/fakten/faq1.php#2

Why is the Oktoberfest called the "Oktober-Fest" when it starts in September?

This has something to do with the Munich weather at this time of the year, which is much nicer and warmer in September than October. In this manner, guests can enjoy strolling around the fair grounds or sitting at the adjoining areas outside the tents without freezing.

The reason it starts in September has also historical origins. At the beginning of the 19th century, when the fair was still in its infancy, it went for a much shorter period of time, and only took place during October (ending on the first weekend of October). This consequently made it an October-fest. Further historical information regarding the Oktoberfest can be found here. (Please go to the link above)

33 posted on 09/21/2003 2:26:25 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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This makes me proud to drive a BMW. :P
34 posted on 09/21/2003 2:45:02 PM PDT by JohnnyRidden (Your Already Dead-Kenshiro)
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To: quebecois
Here's some info on that: http://www.oktoberfest.de/en/fakten/faq1.php#2
35 posted on 09/21/2003 2:46:50 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: Michael81Dus
Well, I hope they don't lose the agricultural component altogether.

St. John's Eve in a small farming village outside Munich was a real treat - basically an enormous party that lasted all night.
36 posted on 09/21/2003 2:52:23 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Michael81Dus
Well DONE!

Freedom-lovers Gaining Worldwide! :-)
37 posted on 09/21/2003 2:56:47 PM PDT by WOSG (BUSH 2004)
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To: Michael81Dus
It's nice to be a Preuss
But it's higher, to be a Bayer

Bayern has always been the most conservative (and the most pro-American) part of the country.

38 posted on 09/21/2003 4:24:09 PM PDT by LouD (Official GOP Vigilante: Fair and Honest Elections - Or Else!)
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To: Michael81Dus
I'm in Bavaria several times a year due to business and family. It's storybook-lovely, and the people are nice and very happy to have Americans visit. The Alps, the castles, Chiemsee, Eibsee, Tegernsee... just spectacular.

Glad to have you at FR!
39 posted on 09/21/2003 4:52:16 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: Michael81Dus
and did you notice how little news about Schro's loss?

As you can see many os us know and love Bavaria,

but it turns out I rather appreciate the manners and culture of the North too.
40 posted on 09/21/2003 5:03:49 PM PDT by inPhase
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To: Michael81Dus
Ein Prosit! Please imagine me pouring the sparkling wine, Michael!
41 posted on 09/21/2003 6:58:28 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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