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Limbaugh stands by McNabb race remarks
AP | 10/01/03 | ROB MAADDI

Posted on 10/01/2003 1:09:09 PM PDT by kattracks

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Rush Limbaugh insisted Wednesday he had "no racist intent whatsoever" in saying the media have overrated the Philadelphia Eagles' Donovan McNabb because they want to see a black quarterback succeed.

In fact, the conservative commentator said he must have been right; otherwise, the comments would not have sparked such outrage.

Limbaugh offered no apology, and McNabb said it was too late for one anyway.

"I'm sure he's not the only one that feels that way, but it's somewhat shocking to actually hear that on national TV," the NFL star said. "An apology would do no good because he obviously thought about it before he said it."

Before McNabb led the Eagles to a 23-13 victory over the Buffalo Bills on Sunday, Limbaugh said on ESPN's pregame show that he did not think McNabb was as good as he was perceived to be.

"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well," Limbaugh said. "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

Limbaugh did not back down during his syndicated radio talk show Wednesday.

He reiterated that he does not think McNabb is a bad player, just that he isn't as good as some members of the media think he is.

"This is such a mountain out of a molehill," he said. "There's no racism here, there's no racist intent whatsoever."

"All this has become the tempest that it is because I must have been right about something," he said. "If I wasn't right there wouldn't be this cacophony of outrage that has sprung up in the sports writer community."

On Wednesday, Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark said Limbaugh should be fired. The retired Army general called the remarks "hateful and ignorant speech."

The NFL disclaimed any responsibility for Limbaugh's remarks.

"ESPN knew what it was getting when they hired Rush Limbaugh," league vice president Joe Browne said. "ESPN selects its on-air talent, not the NFL."

ESPN spokesman Dave Nagle said he did not believe the comments were racially biased. "He was comparing McNabb's performance on the field to his reputation in the media," Nagle said.

Chris Berman, who anchors the ESPN show, said he did not believe Limbaugh's tone or intent was malicious. "As cut and dry as it seems in print, I didn't think so when it went by my ears," he said. "I probably should have looked to soften it."

McNabb, who was runner-up for the MVP award in 2000 and has led the Eagles to two straight conference championship games, said he has no quarrel with Limbaugh's comment on his playing ability. "I know I played badly the first two games," he said.

But McNabb said that the comments about his race were out of bounds and added that someone on the show should have taken Limbaugh on. Among the other panelists were former players Michael Irvin and Tom Jackson, both of whom are black.

"I'm not pointing at anyone but someone should have said it," McNabb said of the panelists, who also include Berman and Steve Young. "I wouldn't have cared if it was the cameraman."

A decade ago, there were few black quarterbacks in the NFL. This season, 10 of the 32 teams will have started black quarterbacks in at least one game.

Limbaugh has helped increase the ratings for "Sunday NFL Countdown." Nagle said ratings are up 10 percent overall. Sunday's show drew its biggest audience in the regular season since 1996.

Limbaugh is the radio host of the politically focused "Rush Limbaugh Show," which is syndicated in more than 650 markets worldwide.



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To: jragan2001
Thank you. Freeper 'Autoresponder' made that gif ...

101 posted on 10/01/2003 3:00:13 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: dwd1
"If a black commentator made the same comments about a white boxer, i would think he is a racist... boxing and football always comes down to the men in the ring and the field... "

Why does he have to be racist? Why can't his assessment be right?

And welcome to FR to you too.

102 posted on 10/01/2003 3:02:12 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: TheGunny
But Rush didn't say McNabb sucks this year, he said he has always sucked. Your link shows McNabb rated #7 in the league in both 2002 and 2001.
103 posted on 10/01/2003 3:04:17 PM PDT by triplejake
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To: Almondjoy
I have lost all respect for Limbaugh. What kind of arguement is "I must of been right otherwise I wouldn't of sparked such outrage." Hey here's a piece of advice you overblown windbag! Take your oversized ego and stuff it where the sun don't shine. You know nothing about football.. except that you know there are 22 players on the field at one time and they throw around a pigskin... anything beyond that your brain cannot grasp.

WOW! With intellectual retort like that you must be an expert! Why don't you refute what he said as being a lie instead of name calling? Personally I'll take Limbaughs expertise in Football over your feeble comments

104 posted on 10/01/2003 3:05:30 PM PDT by Bommer (Someone please bag Nancy Peloci's face!!!!!)
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To: gore_sux
I thought last year that Culpepper should have stayed on
the bench longer in favor of Todd Bowman.
105 posted on 10/01/2003 3:05:42 PM PDT by jragan2001
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To: Pikamax
You could be right, but those lines are unbelievable of the Bears. That new stadium might be hosting more soccer games to make the rent soon.
106 posted on 10/01/2003 3:06:51 PM PDT by Thebaddog (Fetch this!)
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To: cake_crumb
His assessment about McNabb's skills are debatable but acceptable.... His conclusion or assertion about the fact McNabb's being overrated or that he get's a free pass because he is black has no basis in fact...

He sounds like just like the people that would say that black people have no business flying planes during world war II (Tuskegee Airmen)....

He did not give any facts (unless he is going to refer to the media attention McNabb has received because he endorses Campbell's soup) that his ratings are based on his race....

He should not have brought race into it and he knows it... He most likely raised the issue to create some controversy and he succeeded....
107 posted on 10/01/2003 3:06:56 PM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: Thebaddog
Look at the 'niners
108 posted on 10/01/2003 3:12:43 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (I talk of Freedom, You talk of the flag. I talk of Revolution, You much rather brag.)
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To: kattracks
Rush is the man-----the media are the morons
109 posted on 10/01/2003 3:13:44 PM PDT by eleni121 (Never buy socialist UAW made cars)
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To: cake_crumb; dwd1
"If a black commentator made the same comments about a white boxer, i would think he is a racist... boxing and football always comes down to the men in the ring and the field... "

If a black commentator said "Jim White is overrated because sports writers are talking him up as the next great white boxer", you would say the commentator was racist?

That's backwards.

I smell troll . . .

110 posted on 10/01/2003 3:14:00 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Robot robot robot)
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To: JohnnyZ
"Actually he criticized sportswriters for inserting THEIR political statement into their sports analysis."

...Which brings us full circle to this ESPN author inserting presidential wannabe Clark's comments into this article. Proving Rush has a point.

111 posted on 10/01/2003 3:16:27 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: JohnnyZ
I have no control over your nose... I think the problem is in what is being sought...
The primary issue that should be reported and discussed is one's athletic ability...

If one is better or not, the discussion should revolve around that and not media or popular perception based on race...

I call that fair and objective journalism and reporting...

leave the race discussions for the bars and talk shows...

Let us be consistent... Are we looking for a meritocracy or not.....
112 posted on 10/01/2003 3:23:50 PM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: SengirV
Kurt Warner put up two of the best years a quarterback has ever had, and actually won a superbowl, and still people said he was overrated, and got such good press because of his aweshucks personality and rags to riches story.

While the latter was false, the former is certainly somewhat true. And the story is the similar with McNabb. He is good, he is overrated (unlike IMO Warner), and part of the reason he is overrated by the press is his skin color.

McNabb is rated 15th out of 16 QBs listed in the NFC by ESPN.com. This is a rather stark contrast to his being the best QB in the NFL as some have claimed.

As to the notion that McNabb was solely carrying his team - another point pumped by the press these past two years - it is largely untrue. Yes, Philly has had weak WRs. However, they had a good OL, a good RB, and a pro-bowl TE, to go along with perhaps the NFL's best defense. Douglass might be the best DL in the NFL.
113 posted on 10/01/2003 3:27:07 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: dwd1
I don't know. His assessment that McNabe might be getting more glowing praise than he deserves because he is black is probably equally debatable. What this boils down to is personal opinion. Sportscasters are always injecting opinion into their commentary, and basically, everyone on this thread is giving our opinion of this particular sportscaster's opinion. Something else which is extremely common.
114 posted on 10/01/2003 3:27:39 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: JohnnyZ
Also, I think that the issue with what you mentioned would be unfair if a white fighter were dismissed or not taken seriosly because he is white....

I think Gerry Cooney may been a "great white hype" but he got in the ring and fought the fight... I give him respect as I would Tex Cobb or Jean Pierre Coupman or Richard Dunn or Davey 'Boy' Green because they puy on the gloves and fought the good fight... that is not a racial matter... it is about heart and regardless of their race, they had it... That is what the discussion should be about....
115 posted on 10/01/2003 3:28:12 PM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: headsonpikes
Moon was the only NFL QB that could make the "duck and chuck"...err..."run and shoot" work. I think that says something about his abilities. I'm still amazed he never won an SB...
116 posted on 10/01/2003 3:32:34 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: cake_crumb
Please tell me what evidence exists that McNabb earned his ratings and then got a few extra points (like at the University of Michigan) because he is a minority...

His ratings are based on stats and many intangibles that have nothing to do with race...

Rush made an accusation that he is unable to support with fact... He is only able to support it with opinion... And is he willing to debate (not on his show where he controls the microphone and always gets the last word) and substantiate his claim....
117 posted on 10/01/2003 3:32:34 PM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
"We give blacks "extra credit" because they are black so that they will be included. But, when a white person mentions that a black's success is based in part, on his blackness, the lefties scream about that."

Exactly.

118 posted on 10/01/2003 3:33:11 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: KarlInOhio
Blake can throw the long ball really well. You actually have to have an OL that will give you enough time to actually lift your head from the sanp to make any use of the ability though. ;)
119 posted on 10/01/2003 3:33:18 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: VRWCmember
It seems that the last few weeks the troll activity on FR has been going up...perhaps the cretins at DU or moveon are up to something.
120 posted on 10/01/2003 3:34:16 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: kattracks
Rush finally has something to talk about again. And it is a subject he relishes--himself. He might have to let his arm be untied because he stepped in it this time.
121 posted on 10/01/2003 3:35:43 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: MuchoMacho
i don't like clark that much either, but c'mon. his politics are squishy, but he served his country and took a bullet, which is more than you can say for rush.

Which means what?

122 posted on 10/01/2003 3:36:18 PM PDT by mhking (When it rains it pours: I'm looking for a job again -- any offers: mhking@bellsouth.net)
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To: swilhelm73
Argh. Mistyped, the second paragraph should be;

While the *former* was false, the *latter* is certainly somewhat true. And the story is the similar with McNabb. He is good, he is overrated (unlike IMO Warner), and part of the reason he is overrated by the press is his skin color.
123 posted on 10/01/2003 3:37:30 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: triplejake
If you step away from McNabb, and look at all the black QBs, I just don't see how you get "black QBs get special media treatment":

First of all, that is not a quote of mine, and that was not the jist of what I said, or Rush said.

A comparatively small %age of NFL QBs have been, and are still, I believe, black. For a long time there was a prejudice, held in some circles, that blacks couldn't play QB because they weren't smart enough. So every time a decent black QB comes along and has any kind of success he is likely to be talked up as a counter-example, and this will likely happen until blacks make up X% of NFL quarterbacks. Sorry, haven't done an extensive media study to prove that, but I'll bet you haven't done one to disprove it either, and it's at least an arguable assertion based on existing sports/race mindsets.

Sure, everyone gets hype when they do well, but there's that extra thing with black QBs where people feel the need to rectify the no-black-QB thing. You've never heard people talk about the "black QB" thing???

124 posted on 10/01/2003 3:39:32 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Robot robot robot)
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To: cake_crumb
MHO:

Rush isn't advancing a color blind, merit based society by tedious remarks on quarterbacks and race.

125 posted on 10/01/2003 3:40:10 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: dwd1
"Please tell me what evidence exists that McNabb earned his ratings and then got a few extra points (like at the University of Michigan) because he is a minority... "

Wait a minute...RUSH said he got what kind of extra points as a college player, and Rush tied that in with his current playing record how? All he appears to have done is comment that the praise he is receiving is more glowing than his pro performance seems to warrant.

I'll have to find a clip or transcript of his commentary - hopefully, he'll play a clip of it on his show, tomorrow since I missed it today - but I'm going to search his site now.

126 posted on 10/01/2003 3:41:49 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: steve8714
In any case, what he said cannot be disproved either.

And critics can say Rush is racist for saying it, and that can't be disproved either.

127 posted on 10/01/2003 3:44:44 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: isthisnickcool
Pro wrestling is fake?

But my bookie keeps telling me that I'm due for a win, and that very few people have the skill necessary to bet on pro wrestling. Just this last week he was even giving me some tips, because he respects me so much as a pro-wrestling bettor......

128 posted on 10/01/2003 3:46:59 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: cake_crumb
What I am trying to say is that his assertion was that McNabb is being treated a certain way because of a social investment and that he is rated in the media because of a desire by the media because they want to see a black quarterback do well...

As there are presently quarterbacks who are considered by many as being successful, I would like to know the basis of his statement... By the way, is it possible that the media wants to see him succeed because he is a nice guy?

How can one conclude that there is a left wing conspiracy or attitude that says "Donovan McNabb must succeed at all cost because he is a black man" I do not think Campbell's Soup is that desperate....
129 posted on 10/01/2003 3:47:38 PM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: dwd1
Let us be consistent... Are we looking for a meritocracy or not.....

Rush was criticizing others for just that, basing their praise on things OTHER than merit. You should be applauding him!!!

I think that the issue with what you mentioned would be unfair if a white fighter were dismissed or not taken seriosly because he is white....

Which is not what we're talking about here. Rush did not dismiss McNabb because he's black. He said others hyped him because he's black.

But I don't think you're interested in what Rush said, just interested in criticizing him.

130 posted on 10/01/2003 3:48:52 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Robot robot robot)
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To: JohnnyZ
I would hope that Rush can take it as well as dish it out..

I respect his right to say what he said but I think I also have the right to criticize him because I disagree... By the way... Is this not the same problem that the Dixie Chicks had whenever they said something in a public forum that many on this forum disagree with?

I am still waiting for any evidence that there is a media bias toward black quarterbacks.... From what I have seen, the media talks up all quarterbacks based on their potential, but the ones who get long term respect and support are the ones who win and get the job done....
If one does not perform and win, one ends up on the curb....

He brought race into the issue when he did not have justification or supporting material.... Now many looking at every black or minority quarterback and wondering whether he is there for his ability and whether his media image is based on his personality and marketability or whether it is based on how well he chose his parents...
131 posted on 10/01/2003 3:55:55 PM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: JohnnyZ
Also, just for the sake of argument, being that Donovan McNabb may be considered by some to have a media friendly appearance and for all we know, a very talented agent and publicist, how can we conclude that he is not being judged based on his personality and how attractive he may be perceived as being.... Why does the conclusion have to be drawn that he is having the same thing as Anna Kournikova.... Granted that it is still wrong, but could it not also be concluded that the issue may be that he has a handsome face and not necessarily a black one?
132 posted on 10/01/2003 4:00:16 PM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: JohnnyZ
Also, on my previous point... Barry Bonds comes to mind as someone who does not have a good relationship with the media because he is not very receptive or open in interviews.... I am sure that we are familiar with many professional athletes who get hyped or criticized based on how friendly they are to reporters...

Barry Bonds does not get the respect he deserves in the media based on his race.... He gets the deal he gets because of his personality....

Nothing to do with his race....
133 posted on 10/01/2003 4:10:52 PM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: dwd1
Now many looking at every black or minority quarterback and wondering whether he is there for his ability

Why? That wasn't brought up at all. No one suggested black QBs were being hired based on their race.

and whether his media image is based on his personality and marketability or whether it is based on how well he chose his parents...

Well, what's wrong with that? People deconstruct media hype all the time. Wouldn't we be better off without players being hyped based on race?

134 posted on 10/01/2003 4:17:21 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Robot robot robot)
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To: jwalsh07
I'm paraphrasing but will try to type exactly what he said:

"All you guys actually...I think the sum total of what you're all saying is that John McNabb is regressing, he's going backwards. And my..I'm sorry to say this...I don't think he's been THAT good from the get go.

"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well...I think..(garbled)... black coaches and black quarterbacks do well. I think there's a lot of hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't...."

I can't get the rest. I'm lousy at dictation and the weather is doing a number on my hands.

It sounded to ME as though at least ONE of his co-hosts was arguing. I thought McNabb said nobody had argued?

The clip is available on Rush's site

135 posted on 10/01/2003 4:21:40 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: alisasny
GO RUSH GO : ) as others have noted you just raised ESPN stock and deserve a huge raise : )

This whole incident speaks volumes in loud voice to the corrupted state of public discourse in this nation.

A self proclaimed entertainer, (El GasBag) gets other entertainers (Steroid built atheletes and Botoxed talking heads) into a feeding frenzy.

Godamighty - Bread and Circuses don't get no better than this

136 posted on 10/01/2003 4:24:01 PM PDT by don-o
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To: triplejake
The comment simply makes no sense in today's NFL ...

Ditto.

137 posted on 10/01/2003 4:24:17 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Bommer
I have lost all respect.. snip... you overblown windbag! snip... oversized ego and stuff it where the sun snip... your brain cannot grasp.

He must be a limbaugh fan

138 posted on 10/01/2003 4:31:35 PM PDT by Samurai_Jack (Pacifism by its nature invites escalating acts of war on anyone who practices it.)
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To: kattracks
I don't know if McNabb is overrated or not since I rarely watch pro football and have never seen him play. But even though I'm a Limbaugh fan, he probably shouldn't have said it because of todays pc climate. But then if they censure Rush, they should censure Spike Lee and all the other race-baiters who routinely make derogatory comments about whites.

I've read plenty of comments by black athletes and commentators who wondered aloud in print and tv whether some white athletes were only there because of the color of their skin. And then there was Isiah Thomas's comments about Larry Bird implying that Bird was overrated because he was white, and we all know what happened to Thomas. Nothing. If Limbaugh is fired, it will only emphasize the hypocrisy of the liberal-dominated media.

139 posted on 10/01/2003 4:57:43 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: kattracks
After reading Rush's comments today, I realized its really a replay of "Jimmy The Greek's" comments two decades ago. You know the liberals claim to be tolerant but when it comes to disagreeing with the liberal orthodoxy on race, if you step out of line and offer a non-PC opinion, you're immediately labeled a "racist." Even if the opinion is not derogatory or insulting to a minority's race in any way, if you're not a liberal, you're not allowed freedom of speech and to voice your thoughts. It should be noted Rush said nothing about Donovan McNabb's race - its the race-obsessed liberal sportswriters who turned it into a racial issue. All Rush offered was a personal opinion to the effect McNabb's not as good a quarterback as the media's made him out to be and he's acknowledged it could be wrong. Its a perfectly legitimate view to have about a black quarterback as it is to have it about a white quarterback. Its not insinuating people are not capable because of their race; its rather their personal talents may not match the media hype about it. That's all Rush said here and the liberals act like he's you know - a secret member of the KKK and all that stuff. And pretty much the hubbub of this non-issue, non-controversy is that thanks to liberals, any honest discussion of race by a white person in this country has been made verboten. The liberals hate Rush with a passion and since they are the ones who happen to be injecting politics into the McNabb story, it would serve their interests if they could discredit him as a "racist." And you know if they made that charge stick, well racists are not worth listening to or associating with. Liberals would no doubt be overjoyed if they could end Rush's football commentator career and perhaps in the process make his career as a radio talk show host politically radioactive. So yeah when you get right down to it, this whole bruhaha over what Rush said is an effort to intimidate conservatives into never expressing ANY opinion that offends them and folks - its not just about football. As Rush said elsewhere on his show today, liberals have a real problem with trusting the people and democracy.
140 posted on 10/01/2003 5:12:43 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: kattracks
Damn it Rush! Since the Steelers suk this year, Rush has got to go talk race issue instead of football here in week 4!. HEY RUSH, leave my FOOTBALL season alone with your politics!! Wait till the season's over.
141 posted on 10/01/2003 5:25:12 PM PDT by jungleboy
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To: kattracks
McNabb, who was runner-up for the MVP award in 2000 and has led the Eagles to two straight conference championship games, said he has no quarrel with Limbaugh's comment on his playing ability. "I know I played badly the first two games," he said.

Even McNabb himself takes responsibility for his mediocre play!! Stupid liberal assholes keep playing the race card -THANK YOU RUSH FOR NOT BACKING DOWN TO THESE PUKES....

142 posted on 10/01/2003 5:33:14 PM PDT by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: ambrose
We didn't like it when Dennis Miller was injecting left-wing remarks when he was a football commentator (prior to Miller doing a 360 degree Arianna Huffington-like turn to the conservative side of the spectrum)...
Yeah, you got to watch those 360 degree turns, you just might end up going the same way you started.
144 posted on 10/01/2003 5:47:01 PM PDT by Axman4 ("Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.")
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To: triplejake
The comment wouldn't make any sense if it were racist.

It isn't.

LOL!

Rush wasn't commenting on McNair, nor Culpepper. He said that McNabb was overrated, and he speculated that the media that overrated him did so because of his skin color.

If anything, you'll want to go after Rush for calling someone ELSE racist!!!
145 posted on 10/01/2003 5:59:35 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Samurai_Jack
LOL! And a football expert. Love to hear his play-by-play
146 posted on 10/01/2003 6:08:13 PM PDT by Bommer (Someone please bag Nancy Peloci's face!!!!!)
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To: kattracks
Whether or not the reasoning is true, it does seem inappropriate to have brought it up in a context where people are trying to relax and have fun and forget about the cares of the world. Rush needs to remember it's just a game.
147 posted on 10/01/2003 6:13:23 PM PDT by JoeSchem
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To: swilhelm73
He is good, he is overrated (unlike IMO Warner), and part of the reason he is overrated by the press is his skin color.

You are insane and in need of mental checkup. He is popular because his teams have historically won, and has had no pro bowl caliber offensive player in a skill position - read he does it single handedly. He makes some amazing plays that get him lots of play on Sportscenter. Point out that his stats are not what some others, great. Point out that the defense did more than their fair share in those wins great. Having Rush point out that McNabb is not a good QB(Great, that is his opinion), but pointing out that ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS McNabb is popular is because of the media pulling for black QBs is idiotic.

I seem to recall lots of media folks putting down Akili Smith, Shawn King, Culpepper(last year), Jeff Blake, etc... So how come the media who ohhhhh so much want to put black QBs up on pedestal rips these guys? Maybe because it doesn't exist. I guess it kind of does exist - In Rush's pea brain.

148 posted on 10/01/2003 6:53:00 PM PDT by SengirV
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and has had no pro bowl caliber offensive player in a skill position

2002 NFC Philly Pro-Bowl members;

OT Tra Thomas
TE Chad Lewis
QB Donvovan McNabb
DE Hugh Douglass
ILB Jeremiah Trotter
CB Troy Vincent
PK David Akers

So this team that supposedly stinks absent McNabb has 7 pro-bowlers, including, yes an offensive skill player. The RB from 2002, Duce Staley ran for more then 1K yards. He also caught over 50 passes.

In contrast to Phillies *7* Pro-Bowlers, Tampa, the SB champs had only 5.

McNabb is good - obviously he made the pro-bowl last year. However, the team around him is good in their own right. He did *not* carry the team by himself last year, but his horrific play this year is dragging them down.
149 posted on 10/01/2003 7:08:44 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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2002 Pro-Bowl = 2001 season. Chad hasn't been able to catch a cold last year and this year. 1K Yards for Staley ranked him #16 in the NFL(read average stater), and he has around 40 yards so far this year.
150 posted on 10/01/2003 7:32:40 PM PDT by SengirV
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