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Limbaugh stands by McNabb race remarks
AP | 10/01/03 | ROB MAADDI

Posted on 10/01/2003 1:09:09 PM PDT by kattracks

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Rush Limbaugh insisted Wednesday he had "no racist intent whatsoever" in saying the media have overrated the Philadelphia Eagles' Donovan McNabb because they want to see a black quarterback succeed.

In fact, the conservative commentator said he must have been right; otherwise, the comments would not have sparked such outrage.

Limbaugh offered no apology, and McNabb said it was too late for one anyway.

"I'm sure he's not the only one that feels that way, but it's somewhat shocking to actually hear that on national TV," the NFL star said. "An apology would do no good because he obviously thought about it before he said it."

Before McNabb led the Eagles to a 23-13 victory over the Buffalo Bills on Sunday, Limbaugh said on ESPN's pregame show that he did not think McNabb was as good as he was perceived to be.

"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well," Limbaugh said. "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

Limbaugh did not back down during his syndicated radio talk show Wednesday.

He reiterated that he does not think McNabb is a bad player, just that he isn't as good as some members of the media think he is.

"This is such a mountain out of a molehill," he said. "There's no racism here, there's no racist intent whatsoever."

"All this has become the tempest that it is because I must have been right about something," he said. "If I wasn't right there wouldn't be this cacophony of outrage that has sprung up in the sports writer community."

On Wednesday, Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark said Limbaugh should be fired. The retired Army general called the remarks "hateful and ignorant speech."

The NFL disclaimed any responsibility for Limbaugh's remarks.

"ESPN knew what it was getting when they hired Rush Limbaugh," league vice president Joe Browne said. "ESPN selects its on-air talent, not the NFL."

ESPN spokesman Dave Nagle said he did not believe the comments were racially biased. "He was comparing McNabb's performance on the field to his reputation in the media," Nagle said.

Chris Berman, who anchors the ESPN show, said he did not believe Limbaugh's tone or intent was malicious. "As cut and dry as it seems in print, I didn't think so when it went by my ears," he said. "I probably should have looked to soften it."

McNabb, who was runner-up for the MVP award in 2000 and has led the Eagles to two straight conference championship games, said he has no quarrel with Limbaugh's comment on his playing ability. "I know I played badly the first two games," he said.

But McNabb said that the comments about his race were out of bounds and added that someone on the show should have taken Limbaugh on. Among the other panelists were former players Michael Irvin and Tom Jackson, both of whom are black.

"I'm not pointing at anyone but someone should have said it," McNabb said of the panelists, who also include Berman and Steve Young. "I wouldn't have cared if it was the cameraman."

A decade ago, there were few black quarterbacks in the NFL. This season, 10 of the 32 teams will have started black quarterbacks in at least one game.

Limbaugh has helped increase the ratings for "Sunday NFL Countdown." Nagle said ratings are up 10 percent overall. Sunday's show drew its biggest audience in the regular season since 1996.

Limbaugh is the radio host of the politically focused "Rush Limbaugh Show," which is syndicated in more than 650 markets worldwide.



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To: Tacis
"The ultra-left wing screams for affirmative action to provide opportunities for those who might not otherwise have been selected. We give blacks "extra credit" because they are black so that they will be included. But, when a white person mentions that a black's success is based in part, on his blackness, the lefties scream about that. This is the height of hypocracy by black racist thugs and their running dog liberals in the ultra-left wing media."



Well said. Worth repeating.
51 posted on 10/01/2003 1:41:37 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (Celebrate Globalism)
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To: Babalu
Lately, Tiger has not been quite up to par (pardon the pun), and predictably, the same pundits who crowned him are beside themselves mumbling about his "slump".

Tiger is still the number 1 in scoring average, and has been every year since '99. Day in, day out, he's the best right now.

52 posted on 10/01/2003 1:43:05 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: kattracks
I think Rush put his foot in it. It was a dumb thing to say, whether true or not. Why couldn't he have just said that he didn't think McNabb was as good as his hype? The racial thing was just unnecessary.

Personally, I think McNabb is a fine quarterback and I watched beat my Bears in the playoffs a couple of years ago. He certainly played better that day than Miller (Bears).

Can't help but think Rush's days on ESPN are numbered.

Idiot.

53 posted on 10/01/2003 1:43:42 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: cincinnati65
Doesn't the "only black QB in the Northeast" comment suggest that the media is biased in favor of Northeastern players more than black players? There are sure a bunch of over-hyped Giants of all races.
54 posted on 10/01/2003 1:47:34 PM PDT by triplejake
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To: triplejake
Maybe when black QBs were a novelty the Limbaugh statement would make some sense, but it is just a weird (and dumb) thing to say considering how commonplace black QBs are now.

You don't think that: A) it's still a sensitive subject and B) McNabb has been overhyped in part because he's black?

I agree that sportswriters should Let It Go and treat black and white QBs objectively, which was Limbaugh's point, but they're still agitating against the "blacks can't be QBs" myth.

55 posted on 10/01/2003 1:48:05 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Robot robot robot)
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To: Pikamax
Amen to that!
regards,
56 posted on 10/01/2003 1:49:06 PM PDT by Thunder 6
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To: alancarp


Warren Moon showed how the 3-down big-field Canadian game was superior to the American game, if played by talented, and complete, teams. A good CFL game is thrilling; unfortunately, too many of them are embarassing, nowadays.

Canada's been lucky to host so many great black athletes before they were given a shot in the States. Warren Moon was one of them - Jackie Robinson played pro baseball with the AAA Montreal Royals before he went to Brooklyn. ;^)
57 posted on 10/01/2003 1:49:31 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Gunslingr3
1. While I don't agree with Rush's comments on this issue, Rush wasn't going after McNabb, he was going after sports writers and journalist that might focus on McNabb's race.

2. This isn't really that big of a deal.
58 posted on 10/01/2003 1:54:24 PM PDT by zencat
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To: JohnnyZ
If you step away from McNabb, and look at all the black QBs, I just don't see how you get "black QBs get special media treatment":

McNair -- overlooked because small-market, unflashy
Culpepper -- similar to McNair (although I like McNair much more)
Vick -- (correctly) hyped because unequalled excitement factor
Stewart -- ridiculed because terrible
Carter has also caught lots of flack, but less so now that the Cowboys are improving.
McNabb -- lots of credit when team was doing well, plenty of questions now that he is having crappy season
59 posted on 10/01/2003 2:02:09 PM PDT by triplejake
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To: kattracks
Rush, you are right on. I know that you read this stuff. rememeber what THE GREAT TED NUGENT said ... "If I am taking flack, I must be over the target."
60 posted on 10/01/2003 2:06:39 PM PDT by LandofLincoln
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To: Gunslingr3
No doubt ... but since some in the media perceive that he is in a so-called slump because he hasn't won any majors this year, he's dropped off their "messiah" list.
61 posted on 10/01/2003 2:08:45 PM PDT by Babalu ("Tracer rounds work both ways ...")
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To: haywoodwebb
If Kordell had the smarts of Randle-El, he would be a big star.
The Rams should have drafted El instead of loser Eric Crouch.
62 posted on 10/01/2003 2:08:55 PM PDT by steve8714
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To: triplejake
Blake (Arizona) - While with the Bungles he proved that laying on your back or running for your life is no way to QB a pro football team. I haven't paid attention to how he is doing in Arizona this year.
63 posted on 10/01/2003 2:08:58 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Current time travel velocity: 3600 seconds/hour.)
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To: stylin19a
and Springer is scripted.
64 posted on 10/01/2003 2:09:40 PM PDT by steve8714
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To: MuchoMacho; meowmeow; Constitution Day; 4mycountry; Poohbah; Grampa Dave; an amused spectator; ...
member since 10/01/2003 - you joined up today to defend clark and dis Rush?

Does anyone smell a troll?


65 posted on 10/01/2003 2:10:30 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: isthisnickcool
The other guys didn't 'take Limbaugh on' because he was right.
66 posted on 10/01/2003 2:11:26 PM PDT by LS
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To: kattracks
I live in Viking land and I desperately want Daunte Culpepper to continue to ride the bench in favor of Gus.

I guess I'm a racist for thinking that.
67 posted on 10/01/2003 2:12:38 PM PDT by gore_sux (and so does Xlinton)
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To: kattracks
On Wednesday, Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark said Limbaugh should be fired. The retired Army general called the remarks "hateful and ignorant speech."

Well, we know Wesley has something large enough to accomodate a Humvee.
68 posted on 10/01/2003 2:13:04 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: triplejake; All
How come no one cared, in fact most thought it was funny that Jason Sehorn was constantly mocked about being a white cornerback?

Why, I distinctly remember watching a Fox segment a few years back when Sehorn was asked about this multiple times, numerous black teammates and opponents all talked about how they joked around about it and made fun of him, calling him "white-boy" this and "white-boy" that...

And Sehorn had to maintain an "aw-shucks" attitude the whole time. I guess having Angie Harmon as a wife can keep you calm.

Wrong or right, it's a good topic of discussion, and the Eagles player(s) that had been threatening Rush should be fined.
69 posted on 10/01/2003 2:14:53 PM PDT by motzman ("Crusader Freepers rule the Earth, and will never be intimidated by the artless Socialists.")
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To: kattracks
He made a mistake and his biggest character flaw is that he never admits mistakes, he just excuses and rationalizes.
The mistake he made is this-he inserted a political statement into his sports analysis. And now we have to listen to him talk about his sports gig on his political talk show. I find his political analyses getting shallower anyway, and listen to him less, and I don't have cable so I don't have to listen to endless sports blather either.
70 posted on 10/01/2003 2:15:17 PM PDT by almcbean
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To: Williams
McNabb's QB rating is toward the bottom. His career rating is in the high '70s, which is not lighting it up. He however has a situational talent in running ability which makes him a feared red zone player, and a durability I wish Kurt Warner had.
He is, however, not yet seasoned. Gannon at this stage of his career had similar stats and couldn't find a starting job.
71 posted on 10/01/2003 2:15:58 PM PDT by steve8714
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To: kattracks
If a black commentator made the same comments about a white boxer, i would think he is a racist... boxing and football always comes down to the men in the ring and the field...

I am not familiar with Rush's Athletic or military credentials but I would politely suggest that he have stepped about 3 miles out of bounds... This is something he can do on his show but he should have made the overrated comment and left it there...He crossed the line and he knows it...

However, his lack of contrition will probably help his radio show ratings so maybe he took lessons from Anna Nicole Smith, Dennis Rodman, and Madonna in how to be a person that half the people agree with you and the other half loves to hate you and can't look away.... Good marketing but you will forgive me if I thing he is not a good person in this particular situation....
72 posted on 10/01/2003 2:16:19 PM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: Williams
Rush has had a good run. In any case, what he said cannot be disproved either.
73 posted on 10/01/2003 2:17:05 PM PDT by steve8714
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To: kattracks
Is this a last gasp effort to get some sales in order to keep this socialist rag in business? This is as phony as the CIA story. In FACT, it's very SIMILAR to the phony CIA story.

Hmmmm....yeah, it fits. Why stop at using lies to destroy the Bush administration? Especially since they seem to feel this particular grouping of lies has a chance of working. Rush obviously scares the tar out of the left and they feel the need to use the same tactic on him too.

I herebye add this play to the book and label it the "Propaganda Pincer"

74 posted on 10/01/2003 2:17:18 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: kattracks
On Wednesday, Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark said Limbaugh should be fired. The retired Army general called the remarks "hateful and ignorant speech."

The retired Army general is dangerous if given any power or influence.

75 posted on 10/01/2003 2:19:12 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: kattracks
In fact, the conservative commentator said he must have been right; otherwise, the comments would not have sparked such outrage.

That is an example of really bad logic. Let me get on national TV and say the following 'blacks evolved from monkeys and whites evolved from angels' I wonder if there would be outrage over that? If there is ANY outrage, then it must be true to some degree. Sheeeezzzz Rush, you are an F'ing idiot.

76 posted on 10/01/2003 2:19:26 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: Williams
"Mcnabb's record supports that he is a very good quarterback."

McNabb is average at best and that was Rush's point; he only has one year with a quarterback rating over 85 and that was the year his season was cut short due to injury. He is definitely not worthy of any MVP trophy during any year of his career.

I think the Philly fans are the best judges of his performance; they booed him of the field last week.

77 posted on 10/01/2003 2:19:26 PM PDT by gore_sux (and so does Xlinton)
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To: Babalu
Tiger himself hyped the majors as yardstick for his career. I do not drink the purple, so I ask, if he is not winning, what yardstick for greatness? Stroke Average? Tom Kite alert!
78 posted on 10/01/2003 2:20:18 PM PDT by steve8714
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To: MuchoMacho; jragan2001; VRWCmember; joesnuffy; autoresponder; yall


Click HERE or on the pic to hear the Rolling Thunder !

79 posted on 10/01/2003 2:21:38 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: joesnuffy
The General who earlier also stated that his idea of "faith based inititive" was Pure Science
and also sprang into his "Wizard of Oz" song that if he were kiiiiing of the foooorest" He would make it a priority to break the speed of light barrier so that he could go back in time.

Only bird cage linings with aspirations to be serious publications give a fig what a psychopath like Wussley has to say.

80 posted on 10/01/2003 2:22:03 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: steve8714
Everyone agrees that McNabb is having a crappy season, but the Limbaugh comment is that McNabb was never very good. He was ranked 7th in QB rating last year, and has multiple pro bowl picks as well.
81 posted on 10/01/2003 2:22:11 PM PDT by triplejake
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To: ambrose
Rush Limbaugh did something he always (rightfully) accuses the libs of doing - injecting race into an argument.

He is trying to speak truth to power.

I don't follow the NFL enough to know whether McNabb is any good or not, but that's beside the point, as is his race.

Then you don't know if it is beside the point or not.

82 posted on 10/01/2003 2:22:31 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: MuchoMacho
>> i don't like clark that much either, but c'mon. his politics are squishy, but he served his country and took a bullet, which is more than you can say for rush.

There is no justification for Clark's activities, lately or in recent years, unless he took that bullet in the brain.

83 posted on 10/01/2003 2:24:20 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: sam_paine
>>I thought I was the only one with a memory that long!!! Seemed like EVERYONE had forgotten his SNL days.

According to Miller, he got religion during the Juliani administration when he suddenly noticed that crime was down, the city was cleaner, etc..

84 posted on 10/01/2003 2:26:33 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: triplejake
I think the main issue here is whether people can talk about race without being racist. So many people are afraid of the subject that they avoid it (and people that might make it come up) thereby supporting an invisible type of racism in itself. It is more healthy for Rush to voice his opinion (which does not disparage McNabb's race, but critically analyzes his abilities and the media's perception and coverage of those abilities).

McNabb's performance may be affected by the discussion, but that is always the case with sports critics. There is no racism preventing him from making the team and doing his very best. The fans don't care what color he is. They just want him to score or be sacked, depending on their allegiances.

85 posted on 10/01/2003 2:29:57 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: swilhelm73
So, saying McNabb is overrated is now racist? Or is the press trying to deny that they have been on campaign in recent years to demand more black coaches and QBs - irrespective of talent?

You are mixing up two seperate arguemnets there. The FORCED hiring practices are a debatable subject. But saying that the only reason McNAbb is popular is becasue he is black is totally idiotic. Players become popular now-a-days in three ways. First - make great plays that can be shown a thousand times on sportscenter. Second - Break some record that is very impressive(like rich gannon's 10+ 300 yard passing games last year). Third - win baby win. I'll add a forth wildcard reason here - You can become a SUPERSTAR for doing any of the above while taking your team upon your shoulders, becasue the other people on your team are sub par.

Now, lets look at McNabb. McNabb has plenty of highlight real matterial that gets him plenty of play on Sportscenter. He also wins. He has taken his team to the NFC championship game two years in a row. Take into account that magical 4th reason, that he is surrounded buy a bunch of sub par players on offense, he gets elevated to superstar proportions.

If you don't agree with makes makes a star now-a-days, please tell me where I am wrong.

86 posted on 10/01/2003 2:34:08 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: kattracks
The Grand Enquirer will burn at stake the boy who shouts that Lady Godiva has no clothes!
87 posted on 10/01/2003 2:35:17 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Far out, man!)
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To: isthisnickcool
I haven't been so upset since I learned that pro-wresting was fake.

LOL !!

But McNabb said that the comments about his race were out of bounds and added that someone on the show should have taken Limbaugh on. Among the other panelists were former players Michael Irvin and Tom Jackson, both of whom are black.

Oh, yeah. I'm sure Irvin was probably busy doin' his job ...

http://www.skins.net/irvin.html

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All-Pro Cowboys get pro-ba-tion -
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88 posted on 10/01/2003 2:35:35 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: MeeknMing
You hit a home run my friend! The pictures, especially the
top one, pretty much says it all-no further words needed.
89 posted on 10/01/2003 2:41:26 PM PDT by jragan2001
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To: almcbean
The mistake he made is this-he inserted a political statement into his sports analysis.

Actually he criticized sportswriters for inserting THEIR political statement into their sports analysis. Rush's point was that it shouldn't be a factor, but that people were, wrongly, using race in their analysis.

90 posted on 10/01/2003 2:43:25 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Robot robot robot)
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To: SengirV
Where you're wrong is the same place you were wrong yesterday:
Rush never said the only reason McNabb was popular is that he's black.
91 posted on 10/01/2003 2:43:30 PM PDT by discostu (just a tuna sandwich from another catering service)
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To: MuchoMacho
"i don't like clark that much either, but c'mon. his politics are squishy, but he served his country and took a bullet, which is more than you can say for rush"

His service and his wounding were decades ago. WE are talking about his actions from 12 years ago to the present. He's guilty as charged of everything we're accusing him of.

Welcome to FR, where parroting syncophantic talking points may earn you the nickname of "troll"

92 posted on 10/01/2003 2:44:50 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: kattracks
Rush should of known better. There is no way he can win on this. The Dems and the liberal media will be all over this. Wesley Clark enters this fray because Rush wrote a hit piece on Clark a week ago in the WSJ and ever since then Clark has been on Rush's case. This will obviously help ESPN's ratings. Rush may have a short career in sporta broadcasting.
93 posted on 10/01/2003 2:45:29 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: kattracks
I have lost all respect for Limbaugh. What kind of arguement is "I must of been right otherwise I wouldn't of sparked such outrage." Hey here's a piece of advice you overblown windbag! Take your oversized ego and stuff it where the sun don't shine. You know nothing about football.. except that you know there are 22 players on the field at one time and they throw around a pigskin... anything beyond that your brain cannot grasp.

Rush.. I think you have more than a hearing problem these days.
94 posted on 10/01/2003 2:46:56 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Whispering Smith
People that Hate Rush Limbaugh... Will still hate him. People who like Rush Limbaugh... Will still like him. Nothing changes here, it only makes him more visible.
95 posted on 10/01/2003 2:49:29 PM PDT by Samurai_Jack (Pacifism by its nature invites escalating acts of war on anyone who practices it.)
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To: ambrose
360?
96 posted on 10/01/2003 2:52:30 PM PDT by Grit (Tolerance for all but the intolerant...and those who tolerate intolerance etc etc)
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To: kattracks
The problem here is Rush suggesting his freedom of speech is being violated.
97 posted on 10/01/2003 2:53:45 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: All
For any one that cares about facts, here they are.....
Mcnabb has a QB rating of 51.1, Cordell Stewart has a 49.8. last and second to last of all starting QB's in the entire NFL! The Facts speek for themselves.....he is a good athlete, at this point not even average. Here is the URL for your veiwing pleasure.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/bycategory?cat=Passing&sort=49&qualified=1&conference=NFL&year=season_2003
98 posted on 10/01/2003 2:53:52 PM PDT by TheGunny
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To: sam_paine
Seemed like EVERYONE had forgotten his [Dennis Miller] SNL days.

Miller has admitted that Sep 11 changed his views about a lot of things. Also, wasn't Franken writing SNL material then?

99 posted on 10/01/2003 2:54:49 PM PDT by Grit (Tolerance for all but the intolerant...and those who tolerate intolerance etc etc)
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To: TankerKC
Clark is hoping to be the second Black President.
100 posted on 10/01/2003 2:57:31 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (To damnedocrats, truth is a pest that unfairly deprives a liar of his/her credibility.)
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