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Polish troops find new French missiles in Iraq
Rueters via Yahoo! ^ | Friday October 3 | Pawel Kozlowski

Posted on 10/03/2003 12:50:35 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket

WARSAW, Oct 3 (Reuters) - Polish troops in Iraq have found four French-built advanced anti-aircraft missiles which were built this year, a Polish Defence Ministry spokesman told Reuters on Friday.

France strongly denied having sold any such missiles to Iraq for nearly two decades, and said it was impossible that its newest missiles should turn up in Iraq.

"Polish troops discovered an ammunition depot on September 29 near the region of Hilla and there were four French-made Roland-type missiles," Defence Ministry spokesman Eugeniusz Mleczak said.

"It is not the first time Polish troops found ammunition in Iraq but to our surprise these missiles were produced in 2003."

The Roland anti-aircraft system is a short-range air defence missile in service with at least 10 countries, including France and Germany.

They are fired from a mobile launcher vehicle and defence experts say the missiles are highly effective against aircraft attacking at low and medium altitude.

Under a strict trade embargo imposed by the United Nations, Iraq was barred from importing arms after its invasion of Kuwait in 1990.

Among others, Russia, Britain and France all sold arms to Iraq in the 1970s and 1980s. In Iraq's arsenal were Soviet-built Scud missiles, British Chieftain tanks and French Mirage fighters.

But Iraq managed to circumvent the arms trade ban in the 1990s through shadowy deals with various arms traders and kept its military equipment functioning.

"NO MILITARY EXPORTS"

"Since July 1990, France has not authorised a single shipment of military equipment to Iraq," a French Foreign Ministry spokeswoman told Reuters. Similar accusations were made in the U.S. media in April, she said.

In 1980-81, 13 Roland-1 missile systems were shipped to Iraq and from 1983 to 1986, 100 Roland-2 missile systems. The Roland-3 has never been exported to Iraq, she said.

"It is not credible to say that the Roland missiles found a few days ago were produced in 2003 and delivered just before the Anglo-American intervention," the spokeswoman said.

"Let's be absolutely clear about this: no military exports to Iraq were licensed after July 1990."

It was unlikely that the missiles could be used 17-18 years after their delivery, she added.

Mleczak said Polish troops were notified about the missiles by a local Iraqi, who received a reward for the information.

"The ammunition depot was neutralised," said Mleczak. Polish television pictures showed missiles placed in a shallow trench and a huge explosion when the Poles blew up munitions at the site.

Since early September, Poland, a staunch supporter of the U.S.-led war in Iraq, has led a multinational force in one of four so-called stabilisation zones, in central Iraq.

In the run-up to the outbreak of the 2003 Iraq war, American and British combat pilots struck Iraqi anti-aircraft batteries repeatedly as they patrolled no-fly zones in the north and south of the country.

(Additional reporting by Jon Boyle in Paris)


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: embargo; france; frenchmissiles; frenchweaponsiraq; frogs; illegalweapons; iraq; missiles; oops; poland; roland1; roland2; roland3
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1 posted on 10/03/2003 12:50:35 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket
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To: So Cal Rocket
BUMP!!!!!
2 posted on 10/03/2003 12:51:26 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: So Cal Rocket
Well imagine that.

Freakin' scumbag frogs.
3 posted on 10/03/2003 12:52:03 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
There's a really bad joke hidden in that headline.

I ain't about to give it...

Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

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4 posted on 10/03/2003 12:52:15 PM PDT by mhking (When it rains it pours: I'm looking for a job again -- any offers or help: mhking@bellsouth.net)
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To: So Cal Rocket
France strongly denied having sold any such missiles to Iraq for nearly two decades, and said it was impossible that its newest missiles should turn up in Iraq.

Ohh Pleeeeeeeease tell me we can take France to task on this..

5 posted on 10/03/2003 12:52:16 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: So Cal Rocket
Can anyone even feign surprise at this? Why do you think Jacques is so adamant about his no-wmd position. He's got a lot of assets to protect.
6 posted on 10/03/2003 12:52:58 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: So Cal Rocket
MEGA

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7 posted on 10/03/2003 12:53:43 PM PDT by Constitution Day (Eschew exclamatory abuse.)
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8 posted on 10/03/2003 12:54:54 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: So Cal Rocket
Mais c'est impossible, Monsieur. Je vous dites "Non, Non, Non, une mille fois No!"
9 posted on 10/03/2003 12:55:02 PM PDT by johnb838 (Deconstruct the Left)
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To: So Cal Rocket
Well, well, lookie what our friends, the Poles, uncovered...
10 posted on 10/03/2003 12:55:18 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: So Cal Rocket
to our surprise these missiles were produced in 2003

Well, well, well. What have we here!?!

11 posted on 10/03/2003 12:55:50 PM PDT by EggsAckley (..........................all my pings are belong to ......YOU.....................)
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To: So Cal Rocket
"Let's be absolutely clear about this: no military exports to Iraq were licensed after July 1990."

Would the French lie? Naaaa
12 posted on 10/03/2003 12:55:55 PM PDT by latrans
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To: So Cal Rocket
The frogs are in the soup again. *sigh*
13 posted on 10/03/2003 12:57:08 PM PDT by blackie
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To: mhking
Bush jokes about wife's "sensitive" mission to France
14 posted on 10/03/2003 12:57:17 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: msdrby
ping
15 posted on 10/03/2003 12:57:19 PM PDT by Prof Engineer (HHD - That's not noise son...It's the Sound of Freedom! 5/14/04 baby needs a new pair of shoes)
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To: Dark Wing
ribbit
16 posted on 10/03/2003 12:58:22 PM PDT by Thud
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To: So Cal Rocket
"Let's be absolutely clear about this: no military exports to Iraq were licensed after July 1990."

So the worthless little $#!+$ sold 'em without a license...

17 posted on 10/03/2003 12:58:29 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: So Cal Rocket
"Since July 1990, France has not authorised a single shipment of military equipment to Iraq," a French Foreign Ministry spokeswoman told Reuters.

No, but a third party entity serves as a middleman ... France, of course knows this, but can state for the record ... they didn't authorize any, not one, military shipment to Iraq since 1990.

18 posted on 10/03/2003 12:58:37 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: So Cal Rocket
BIG BUMP!!
19 posted on 10/03/2003 12:58:37 PM PDT by RightWingMama
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To: OXENinFLA; Dog
Great post, thank you.

Dog - you'll want to see this. Troops find new French missiles in Iraq!
20 posted on 10/03/2003 12:58:51 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Matthew Paul
Ping to the Polish.)

"Since July 1990, France has not authorised a single shipment of military equipment to Iraq," a French Foreign Ministry spokeswoman told Reuters. Similar accusations were made in the U.S. media in April, she said.

MERDE!!! :)

21 posted on 10/03/2003 12:58:55 PM PDT by xJones
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To: So Cal Rocket
"Let's be absolutely clear about this: no military exports to Iraq were licensed after July 1990."

Key word: licensed

Note they don't deny doing it, they just deny doing it "officially"...

22 posted on 10/03/2003 12:59:09 PM PDT by kevkrom (This tag line for rent)
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To: So Cal Rocket
France strongly denied having sold any such missiles to Iraq for nearly two decades, and said it was impossible that its newest missiles should turn up in Iraq

INCONCEIVABLE!

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means


23 posted on 10/03/2003 12:59:29 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (End Judicial Activism Now!!)
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To: Alamo-Girl
ping
24 posted on 10/03/2003 12:59:49 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: So Cal Rocket
Cheese eating surrender monkey bump!!
25 posted on 10/03/2003 1:00:24 PM PDT by TheConservator (To what office do I apply to get my tag line back????)
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To: So Cal Rocket

Chirac und Saddam, 1976
26 posted on 10/03/2003 1:00:59 PM PDT by putupon (The text in this tagline serves no purpose other than to occupy the space between the parentheses)
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To: BluH2o
I don't know, but I would expect that missiles would have serial numbers or other markings that would allow them to be individually identified. Shouldn't be too hard for the French (or U.S.) to determine who they were supposed to have been sold to.
27 posted on 10/03/2003 1:02:24 PM PDT by Stirner
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To: So Cal Rocket
The key phrase is "...France has not authorized..." if you use Clintonian parsing and French logic, that could cover a multitude of possibilities.
28 posted on 10/03/2003 1:03:07 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: So Cal Rocket
SACRE BLEU!!!!!
29 posted on 10/03/2003 1:03:19 PM PDT by rattrap (The Washington Redskins are 3-1, that's right I said Redskins)
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To: kevkrom
Villepin: 'Everybody knows that France never had a soft attitude towards the dictatorship of Saddam Hussein,'
30 posted on 10/03/2003 1:03:21 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Bikers4Bush; seamole; Angelus Errare; Miss Marple; William McKinley; Shermy; Sabertooth; Mo1
It is not the first time Polish troops found ammunition in Iraq but to our surprise these missiles were produced in 2003."

France you have some'splainin' to do!!!

31 posted on 10/03/2003 1:06:00 PM PDT by Dog
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To: So Cal Rocket
The French missiles were the product of time travel.
32 posted on 10/03/2003 1:08:31 PM PDT by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: So Cal Rocket
My name is Inigo Montoya.

You blew up my Pentagon.

Prepare to die.
33 posted on 10/03/2003 1:09:18 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: So Cal Rocket
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they were shipped after the war started.
34 posted on 10/03/2003 1:09:50 PM PDT by thoughtomator (tpaine says, "Don't post to me anymore." <- guess he lost that argument. Don't kill babies, people!!)
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To: So Cal Rocket
Saddam was a French client. You need any more proof?
35 posted on 10/03/2003 1:09:50 PM PDT by Steely Glint ("Communists are just Democrats in a big hurry.")
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To: So Cal Rocket
"The ammunition depot was neutralised," said Mleczak. Polish television pictures showed missiles placed in a shallow trench and a huge explosion when the Poles blew up munitions at the site. why did they do that?
36 posted on 10/03/2003 1:09:54 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: TADSLOS
For hundreds of years the Poles and French have been close allies...the huge Polish Legion in Napoleon's Army, his best troops and especially cavalry other than the Guard, is the best example.

French were useless to the Poles in World War II, and I suspect the last few years the Poles have finally realized the French are useless allies for all purposes.
37 posted on 10/03/2003 1:10:11 PM PDT by John H K
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To: Shermy
Villepin: 'Everybody knows that France never had a soft attitude towards the dictatorship of Saddam Hussein,'

After all, they only take hard cash.

38 posted on 10/03/2003 1:11:55 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (California: Where government is pornography every day!)
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To: So Cal Rocket
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39 posted on 10/03/2003 1:13:16 PM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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40 posted on 10/03/2003 1:13:54 PM PDT by Consort
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To: So Cal Rocket
Before you call France a liar, think about this: They may not have sent those missiles to Iraq. They may have sent them to Syria, or Jordan, or any of the other countries that support Iraq and they were shipped to Iraq without the French knowing. This is the angle that too many of the American people can't seem to understand. If they had got weapons in in 2003, then whose to say they didn't put them in Syria, Palestine, Jordan, Liberia, or any other of the supporting cast we haven't visited yet? Like maybe France, Germany, Russia, China, North Korea, Yeman........ Not real stretch is it?
41 posted on 10/03/2003 1:14:21 PM PDT by Redwood71
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To: So Cal Rocket
L'Missile-Gate

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Please email the French "L'Missile Gate" story to the above addresses!
42 posted on 10/03/2003 1:14:56 PM PDT by jmstein7
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To: So Cal Rocket
Gee, I wonder how those got there?


43 posted on 10/03/2003 1:15:42 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy
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To: jmstein7
BUMP FReep L'Missile Gate story to the above email addresses (cut-and-paste campaign).

Shove it down their throats the way the are shoving the Wilson Story, the Rush Smears, and the Arnold Smears down our throats!

Let's Frog-march the Frogs over to the UN to explain...
44 posted on 10/03/2003 1:16:53 PM PDT by jmstein7
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To: prairiebreeze
fyi..
45 posted on 10/03/2003 1:17:34 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Redwood71
They may have sent them to Syria, or Jordan, or any of the other countries that support Iraq and they were shipped to Iraq without the French knowing.

That's a strong possibility, except for the last four words. I would say "with the French knowing."

The French has strong ties to the region, and the French security services know more than we are lead to believe.

46 posted on 10/03/2003 1:18:06 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: Peach
I believe the Poles. I wish this would have come out Monday instead of Friday...more media coverage.

Oh well, good anti-frog news anytime.

Prairie
47 posted on 10/03/2003 1:18:42 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (It's about the trip to Niger and the uranium report. Not the wife's name or job title.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; mhking; Timesink; knighthawk
Ping!
48 posted on 10/03/2003 1:19:07 PM PDT by Dog
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To: So Cal Rocket
Bravo to the Poles!
49 posted on 10/03/2003 1:19:21 PM PDT by tubavil
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To: So Cal Rocket
I think they were from Syria. Actually, the article never states that they were Roland-3s. There was a very strange story earlier this year about the Roland-2s that we were finding that had been manufactured after they had 'stopped' production of them.

I believe the plant was located in France, and the operation was a combo German/French production. How much you want to be the French never shut that plant down?

If they were '3s, they were sold to Syria and imported over the last several months to Iraq (along with the French trained operaters ...)
50 posted on 10/03/2003 1:19:41 PM PDT by max_rpf
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