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Iranian Alert -- October 8, 2003 -- IRAN LIVE THREAD PING LIST
The Iranian Student Movement Up To The Minute Reports ^ | 10.8.2003 | DoctorZin

Posted on 10/08/2003 12:02:06 AM PDT by DoctorZIn

The regime is working hard to keep the news about the protest movment in Iran from being reported.

From jamming satellite broadcasts, to prohibiting news reporters from covering any demonstrations to shutting down all cell phones and even hiring foreign security to control the population, the regime is doing everything in its power to keep the popular movement from expressing its demand for an end of the regime.

These efforts by the regime, while successful in the short term, do not resolve the fundamental reasons why this regime is crumbling from within.

Iran is a country ready for a regime change. If you follow this thread you will witness, I believe, the transformation of a nation. This daily thread provides a central place where those interested in the events in Iran can find the best news and commentary.

Please continue to join us here, post your news stories and comments to this thread.

Thanks for all the help.

DoctorZin


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3 posted on 10/08/2003 12:10:23 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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Going Nuclear

October 08, 2003
The Times
The Times Online

Iran must halt the development of nuclear weapons

The defiant statement by Kamal Kharrazi, the Iranian Foreign Minister, that Tehran has no intention of halting its uranium enrichment programme has caused alarm in Western capitals. He could hardly have given a clearer signal that Iran is determined to build a nuclear bomb. He made it chillingly obvious that Iran will pay little heed to the demands of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) or the warnings of the West. And he reinforced fears that on the race for the bomb, there is no debate in Iran: the so-called pragmatists are as fervently nationalist as the clerical hardliners. Within 18 months one of the world's most unpredictable and ideologically driven countries could well be a nuclear power.

There have been warnings aplenty to Tehran not to go down this route. The Bush Administration has spoken openly and often of its concern over nuclear proliferation, and urged Russia to halt its nuclear co-operation with Iran, even to the point of jeopardising otherwise good relations with President Putin. Several European leaders disagreed with Washington over the virtue of trade and political relations with Iran, and were privately critical of the inclusion of Iran in the "axis of evil". But all are commendably robust in supporting Mr Bush over Iran's nuclear ambitions. In August the British, French and German foreign ministers sent a strong letter to Tehran, warning Iran that unless it took concerns on proliferation seriously, it could expect a sharp downturn in the European Union's policy of "constructive engagement". Nor would there be any EU appetite to continue negotiations on a new trade and co-operation agreement, in which Iran has set much store.

The warnings have had little effect. Iran has equivocated on the IAEA's request that it sign an additional protocol allowing surprise inspections. It has offered improbable and insulting explanations for the discovery of traces of weapons-grade uranium at two nuclear sites. And it has tried to link demands for inspection and verification to US military ambitions, launching a propaganda campaign to whip up public anger at any attempt to curb what it disingenuously insists is a peaceful nuclear programme.

How should the world react? A nuclear Iran is genuinely alarming - not simply because it would further undermine the Non-Proliferation Treaty but also because of Iran's militant and unstable record. The acquisition of nuclear weapons by India and Pakistan has already led to tense confrontation; in the turbulent Middle East, an Iranian bomb would not only be seen by Israel as an existential threat; it would embolden all radical and Islamist forces in their determination to confront America and to disrupt the Middle East peace process. A pre-emptive Israeli strike, with momentous consequences, could not be ruled out. The first point Europe and America should emphasise is that Iran must comply with the IAEA deadline of October 31 to halt its enriched uranium programme. Failure to do so would take the issue straight to the Security Council, where a reprimand and possible sanctions might follow - an outcome Iran maintains it is keen to avoid. The EU should also break off its political dialogue, halt trade talks and isolate Iran until it complies. Russia's partners should insist on an end to Moscow's nuclear co-operation. Even if confined to civilian use, it has already proved damaging, and surely the prospect of Chechen extremists with access to Iranian nuclear knowhow gives Moscow pause for thought. Iran is now debating how to respond if it is to avoid censure. For the sake of the country, and of the region, its plans to develop nuclear weapons must be curtailed immediately.

http://iranvajahan.net/cgi-bin/news.pl?l=en&y=2003&m=10&d=08&a=1
4 posted on 10/08/2003 12:11:48 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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Murder trial sparks Iran row

BBC News

By Jim Muir
BBC Tehran correspondent

A public row over a court case has broken out between two of Iran's most powerful bodies - the hardline judiciary and the largely reformist intelligence ministry.

The ministry has accused the judiciary of overlooking crucial evidence in Tuesday's court case in which one of the ministry's officials is charged with of causing the death in custody of an Iranian-Canadian photojournalist.

Both sides have accused one another of staging a cover-up to divert responsibility for the death of the journalist, Zahra Kazemi.

She died in early July after receiving a blow to the head following her arrest for taking photographs outside a Tehran prison.

Power struggle

The lengthy indictment read out in court on Tuesday morning included the accusation that the intelligence ministry took various actions to try to cover up the alleged role of one of its interrogators, Reza Ahmadi.

He alone is in the dock, accused of the semi-intentional killing of Zahra Kazemi by dealing her a single, ultimately fatal blow.

Now the intelligence ministry has hit back.

It issued a statement saying the indictment ignored what it called the important fact.

The ministry said that Kazemi had written a statement on her second day in captivity complaining that she had been beaten and thrown to the ground on the first day, when she was in the custody of judiciary officials.

The statement said the intelligence ministry would hold a news conference soon to lay the facts before the public.

The court indictment did mention statements from witnesses saying Kazemi had been hit shortly after her arrest but it said those statements had been withdrawn.

After hearing the indictment and a plea of not guilty from the defendant, the court adjourned to allow the defence time to prepare.

The dispute between Iran's two bodies is closely bound up with the intensifying power struggle between two of Iran's most powerful bodies.

Canada's anger

Zahra Kazemi's case has already become something of a cause celebre in Iran, sparking a presidential inquiry.

The case also caused Canada to withdraw its ambassador at the way it was being handled, including the burial of Mrs Kazemi's body in Iran against the wishes of her son, who is in Canada.

The ambassador has now returned and was allowed to attend the trial.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3170984.stm
5 posted on 10/08/2003 12:56:04 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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2003/10/08

President champions high turnout

Andimeshk, Khuzestan prov., Oct 8 - President Mohammad Khatami said here Tuesday that as the servant to people "I will do my utmost to hold a free and fair parliamentary elections in the country."

Addressing the masses of people in Andimeshk, he called on people to widely turn out in the seventh parliamentary elections slated for February 20.

"We should assure people that their votes will be respected", he said.

He urged all officials to help organize a glorious parliamentary elections at "this very sensitive historical juncture".

People should feel free in their candidacies and the whole society should believe that the grounds for holding a healthy parliamentary elections has been created, he said.

"Public trust should be promoted," he said adding that anyone with any tastes should be able to choose the most qualified candidate in the elections.

Mass presence of people in the next parliamentary elections would help the majority to attain their aspirations, Khatami said.

There is no doubt that the mass turnout of people in the upcoming parliamentary elections will help people put forward their demands, he said.

Extensive presence of people in the next parliamentary elections will foil domestic and foreign plots, Khatami said.

On self-sufficiency, he said, "We do not need to produce weapons of mass destruction, what we need is to attain economic development, self-sufficiency and scientific progress."

On religious democracy, he said democratic elections guarantee democracy in the society and "We are to continue with the experience".

He appreciated the sacrifices and efforts of the people in the province during the eight-year imposed war and urged the government to pay due attention to address the problems of the people.

We should make a developed country, he underlined.

On 6.4 percent economic growth in Iran last year, he said even the foreigners confess to Iran's development and "We should speed up the move forward to economic prosperity."

President Khatami concluded his one day tour to Khuzestan and left Dezful for Tehran Tuesday afternoon.

http://www.iribnews.com/Full_en.asp?news_id=189816&n=14

(( What a lie ))!
6 posted on 10/08/2003 1:06:00 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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Crisis heightens Iran's divisions

October 7th. 2003

By Safa Haeri
Asia Times

PARIS - Iran's ayatollahs have never had such a crisis with the international community in their 25 years of rule, says Sadeq Saba, a senior analyst on Iranian affairs, commenting on the spat between the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and Tehran over the Islamic republic's nuclear programs.

The crisis erupted when the 35-member board of governors of the United Nations nuclear watchdog on September 12 approved, without voting, though, a resolution presented by Australia, Canada and Japan that urged Iran to sign "immediately and unconditionally" additional protocols to the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and stop "at once" all its uranium enriching activities, although a deadline of October 31 was set.

At the very center of the row sits Iran's declared - and undeclared - nuclear projects, which the United States and Israel, now joined by the European Union, insist have a military finality: to destroy Israel.

For its part, Tehran, supported by Russia, the country that is engaged in the construction of Iran's first nuclear-powered electricity plant, reiterates that all its atomic projects, under construction and in the future, are strictly for peaceful purposes and civilian use. Russia is assisting with the construction of a light-water nuclear reactor near the city of Bushehr. Moscow has apparently agreed to provide fuel for the reactor, with the condition that Iran sign an agreement to return the spent fuel.

The Iranians go even further in declaring that Islam, the religion on which the present Iranian political system is based, prohibits the possession of atomic weapons. But they do not explain that if this is true, how come Pakistan has been able to become the first Islam-based nation to build a bomb. Neither, obviously, can they back up this claim from the centuries-old Koran.

Analysts and observers say that while officials in the government of Iranian President Mohammed Khatami, who assure that Iran's nuclear projects are not for military use, are sincere, they have no more information than ordinary people of the exact magnitude of the regime's military setup, which is entirely in the hands of selected officers, most of them unknown, or little known, to the general public.

"Having in mind the bombing of Iraq's nuclear center by Israel [in 1981], Iran's military strategists have scattered the country's sensitive and strategic installations, mostly the atomic ones, all over the country, hidden deep in mountainous regions," one former Iranian military expert explained.

The protocols that the IAEA would like to see Iran sign would allow international atomic inspectors and experts unrestricted access to all Iranian nuclear sites, at will, without any conditions. (However, Pierre Goldschmidt, the Belgian deputy to IAEA head Mohammad El-Bradeh'i said last week that his boss' recent warning over Iran's nuclear programs, and chiefly its uranium enriching activities, were the central issue, not signing the protocols.)

During a trip to Iran earlier this year, IAEA inspectors found traces of weapons-grade uranium and signs of other questionable nuclear activity, leading the agency give Iran until the end of October to come clean about its nuclear projects, or the issue would be sent to the UN Security Council for a final decision, which could include sanctions against Tehran.

Iran's response to the traces was that they came in on contaminated equipment bought abroad, stopping short of divulging the sources of the purchase. In his comment, analyst Saba noted that the IAEA resolution had placed Iran in a very difficult situation: either bow to the "humiliating" demands or face possible international sanctions.

And clearly, the cleric-led Iranian regime itself does not yet know exactly which way it will jump. According to some Iranian political pundits, one reason for this dramatic inability to decide is because the regime's dual-head establishment is equally divided. Hardline personalities and spokesmen close to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the orthodox leader of the Iranian theocracy, have equated the signing of the protocols to surrendering of Islamic pride and Iranian sovereignty by opening up all doors to foreign inspectors and spies.
Tehran informed sources tell Asia Times Online that some top advisers to Khamenei, like Hoseyn Shari'atmadari, an intelligence officer appointed as editor of the hardline evening daily Keyhan, Mohammad Javad Larijani, and Dr Ali Akbar Velayati, the former foreign affairs minister, are among those pressing the leader to take Iran out of the NPT and follow the path taken by communist North Korea in dealing with the IAEA.

They are supported by hawkish ayatollahs such as Ahmad Jannati, secretary of the powerful Guardians Council, Mohammad Taqi Mesbah Yazdi, believed to be Khamenei' s mentor, and Mohammad Kashani, one of the main preachers of traditional Friday prayers.

Facing them are "official" reformers such as Mohsen Armin, a deputy chairman of the National Security and Foreign Affairs Committee of the majlis (parliament)and an outspoken critic of the conservatives, Mohammad Salamati, secretary of the Mojahedeen of the Islamic Revolution Organization that supports the effectively powerless President Khatami, and Behzad Nabavi, a deputy speaker of parliament. They are backed, conditionally though, by the dissident Grand Ayatollah Hoseynali Montazri, Iran's highest religious authority who is also the ruling establishment's most ferocious critic, including of both Khamenei and Hojjatoleslam Khatami.

But other sources think that the man who will eventually decide which way to take is the former president, Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, nicknamed kouseh, or shark, because of his beardless face.

Not only is Rafsanjani known for his personal influence over Khamenei, one of his oldest and closest friends from the time of their religious studies with the Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the 1979 Islamic Revolution and founder of the Islamic republic, but also because as the chairman of the powerful Expediency Council, he is the regime's virtual number two man after the leader.

An unelected body dominated by the conservatives, the 32-member council serves as an advisory group to the leader, and besides discerning the best interests of the state, it also arbitrates between the majlis and the Guardians' Council, another unelected institution that not only checks the full conformity of laws approved by lawmakers with Islamic canons, but also vets all candidates to all elections.

On his return from the UN General Assembly recently, Foreign Affairs Minister Kamal Kharrazi informed reporters that accepting the protocols was not against Iran's constitution, adding that the Expediency Council would decide on the issue.

The reformists' main argument is that not only the conservatives' stubborn policy has plunged Iran into international isolation, as seen by the dramatic rapprochement of the European Union's stand with that of the US, a far cry of the "golden days" when Tehran was the darling of the Europeans and most of the region's countries except Israel, but in case Iran does not respond to the demands formulated by the IAEA, the whole regime is in danger of the same fate as Saddam Hussein - total collapse.

It is exactly to prevent this scenario that the hardliners want to master nuclear technology as soon as possible, believing that once an atomic power, American threats and bullying against Iran will change, as is the case with North Korea.

It is therefore not without logic that recently Tehran displayed a new version of its Shahab-3 ballistic missiles, which are believed to have a range of 1,700 kilometers, thus capable of "hitting the heart of the enemy", meaning Israel.

But analysts also blame government officials' contradictory and often unconvincing statements, including those of President Khatami, on Iran's aims with nuclear projects for the hard line attitude taken by the West.

"When Khatami states publicly that Iran wants nuclear technology for strengthening its defense, when officials declare that some of Iran's sites would be off limit to inspectors, when Kamal Kharrazi, the Foreign Affairs Minister, says enriching uranium is for nuclear electricity plants, while it falls on the Russians to supply this material for the Bushehr station, when Ali Akbar Salehi, Iran's ambassador at the IAEA, confirms that Iran has been enriching uranium for many years, etc, it all tends to one conclusion: that Iran has something to hide," one Iranian scholar told Asia Times Online on condition of anonymity.

http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EJ07Ak01.html
7 posted on 10/08/2003 2:13:19 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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Make Iran Free! Free For All Who Live there, and Free For All Who Wish to Go There!
8 posted on 10/08/2003 2:20:47 AM PDT by PureSolace
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To: F14 Pilot
"The Iranians go even further in declaring that Islam, the religion on which the present Iranian political system is based, prohibits the possession of atomic weapons"

They are not against the Islamic Religion as long as they are only used to destroy "Satan"...Which is the United States and Israel.
9 posted on 10/08/2003 2:29:11 AM PDT by chicagolady
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To: DoctorZIn; F14 Pilot
When can we post: Iranian Alert - IRAN LIVE THREAD PING LIST - THE DAY AFTER!



10 posted on 10/08/2003 2:37:21 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: PureSolace
Nice quotations.

There are some interesting webpages for you:
http://www.tehran24.com

http://www.dejkam.com/iran/tehran/

And a historical website on Persia: http://www.oznet.net/cyrus/cyframe.htm

11 posted on 10/08/2003 3:21:12 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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To: chicagolady
I offer you to recorrect your views, That is not fair to judge them when you dont know any thing about how they are.
Please join this thread and read DrZin's Articles to get better and true views of Iran.

Thanks!
12 posted on 10/08/2003 3:24:14 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (GOOD THOUGHTS--- GOOD WORDS--- GOOD DEEDS)
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To: F14 Pilot
I study under someone who knows the Muslim Religion well.

It is totally acceptable to lie or "misguide" people when it defends Allah.

You can never tell if someone is telling the truth because their aim is always to defend the Koran, Jihad and Allah.

Jihad is real. We are the aim of their Jihad.

I do know how they are , I have done some study and hang around Arab folks who were once Muslims and are now Christians.
They say America better wake up and smell the coffee.
13 posted on 10/08/2003 3:32:14 AM PDT by chicagolady
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To: chicagolady
I am sorry, I didnt talk about Arabs... This thread belongs to Iran and the events in Iran.
This thread talks about Iran and its people.
Do you know the first religion of Persians?
14 posted on 10/08/2003 3:39:02 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (GOOD THOUGHTS--- GOOD WORDS--- GOOD DEEDS)
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To: chicagolady
Welcome to the thread. Actually, the reason that the authorities in Iran are against any demonstration regarding US policy is that the inhabitants would demonstrate for an US intevention in Iran, not against it.

15 posted on 10/08/2003 4:28:03 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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People of Iran love the USA, That is obvious.
16 posted on 10/08/2003 4:48:14 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (GOOD THOUGHTS--- GOOD WORDS--- GOOD DEEDS)
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"...when officials declare that some of Iran's sites would be off limit to inspectors, when Kamal Kharrazi, the Foreign Affairs Minister, says enriching uranium is for nuclear electricity plants, ... when Ali Akbar Salehi, Iran's ambassador at the IAEA, confirms that Iran has been enriching uranium for many years, etc, it all tends to one conclusion: that Iran has something to hide,"

Precisely.
17 posted on 10/08/2003 5:03:18 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Stop thinking about it and do it.)
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Iran doubts Israel attack but says defences ready

MSNBC

TEHRAN, Oct. 8 — Iranian President Mohammad Khatami said on Wednesday it was unlikely that Israel would launch an attack on the Islamic Republic, but said his country was ready to defend itself.

He was responding to remarks by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon who said on Tuesday -- following an Israeli air raid on Sunday in Syria -- that Israel would hit its enemies anywhere.
Israel has repeatedly accused Iran of arming, training and funding Palestinian militant groups. Tehran says it only gives moral support to the groups.
Khatami, a moderate, said Israel had its hands full without opening a new front.
''They (the Israelis) are so involved with problems inside their country that I do not think they want to create another problem outside it. We are also fully prepared to defend our country,'' Khatami told reporters after a weekly cabinet meeting.
Khatami also expressed solidarity with Syria, which like Iran faces heavy pressure from Washington and allegations of sponsoring ''terrorism.''
Israel launched its deepest attack into Syria for 30 years on Sunday, a day after a female suicide bomber from the Islamic Jihad group killed 19 people in a restaurant in the northern Israeli city of Haifa.
Israel said the target of the raid was a training camp for Palestinian militants, but Damascus called it a civilian site.

http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl/reuters10-08-051145.asp?reg=MIDEAST
18 posted on 10/08/2003 6:17:53 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (GOOD THOUGHTS--- GOOD WORDS--- GOOD DEEDS)
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Rafsanjani: Iran resists all threats

2003/10/08
IRIB

Tehran, Oct 8 - Chairman of the Expediency Council (EC) Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani here on Wednesday said the Islamic Republic of Iran resists all pressures and threats.

Addressing the 18th meeting of Friday Prayers leaders from all over the country, he stressed on the importance of holding Friday Prayers in all parts of the Islamic Iran.

The former president called on Friday Prayers leaders to inform people of all the country's affairs in order to prepare the ground for their presence in all aspects of the society.

On the people's presence in all elections held ever since the victory of the 1979 Islamic Revolution, Rafsanjani said the Islamic Republic system will only exist through active presence of people in all affairs, particularly during such a global and regional sensitive status.

Underlining the need for maintaining unity and solidarity among the Iranian people by the authorities, he pointed out that the global arrogance has made great efforts to overthrow the Islamic system in Iran and will continue its attempt in the future.

The global arrogance is very much concerned over expansion of Islam-seeking wave in the world, he said, adding that the Islamic Revolution has turned to a pattern for all Muslim states.

http://www.iribnews.com/Full_en.asp?news_id=189863&n=34
19 posted on 10/08/2003 6:19:01 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (GOOD THOUGHTS--- GOOD WORDS--- GOOD DEEDS)
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There are many Moslem fanatic States, and one Jewish State! Can someone explain why there is no Christian, Budist, or Hindu States. I know the Vatican is a Christian State, but it is only a couple of city blocks, and has no army. India does not call itself the Hinhu State, China or Japan do not call themselves the Budist States. Nations should never have partiality to one religion over the others. This, by definition would create systematic discrimination against its own citizens.
20 posted on 10/08/2003 6:32:03 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: downer911
Ping to # 20.
21 posted on 10/08/2003 6:38:28 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (GOOD THOUGHTS--- GOOD WORDS--- GOOD DEEDS)
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Iran needs modern weapons to deter enemies, says conservative

Teheran, Oct 10 (dpa) Iran needs modern weapons to deter the country's enemies from attacking, a leading member of the conservative Islamic Society was quoted as saying today by the news service Kar.

''If our enemies consider attacking our country, just possessing progressive weapons will at least deter them and make them think twice,'' said Mohsen Yahyavi, a former MP and member of the conservative faction.

While refraining to use the term nuclear weapons, Yahyavi said in a meeting with the Islamist group Ansar Hezbollah (The Followers of the Party of God) that possession of such weapons did not necessarily mean using them.

But even according to the Koran (the holy Islamic book), moving towards obtaining weapons which our enemies possess is an obligation, said Yahyavi, referring to the nuclear arsenal of Israel.

Iran's leading officials, including President Mohammad Khatami, have several times stressed that nuclear weapons were not part of the country's programmes and would even be contrary to Iran's religious beliefs.

Yahyavi rejected an unconditional acceptance of the additional protocol of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and harshly criticised those who were in favour of unlimited nuclear inspections.

While referring especially to remarks last month by moderate Deputy Foreign Minister Mohsen Aminzadeh that Iran should have signed the protocol before the IAEA ultimatum, Yahyavi said such officials could not appropriately represent Iran in international forums.

Under the terms of an IAEA ultimatum Teheran has until October 31 to accept all IAEA regulations on nuclear inspections, and it has been warned that the issue will go to the United Nations Security Council for possible sanctions if it does not comply by November 20.

Unlike the reformist wing, the conservatives and hardliners in Iran consider giving in to the IAEA ultimatum as a political humiliation with some of them even calling for withdrawal from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

http://www.deepikaglobal.com/latestnews.asp?ncode=7713
22 posted on 10/08/2003 6:53:04 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (GOOD THOUGHTS--- GOOD WORDS--- GOOD DEEDS)
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To: All

23 posted on 10/08/2003 7:40:40 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (GOOD THOUGHTS--- GOOD WORDS--- GOOD DEEDS)
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To: All

24 posted on 10/08/2003 7:42:06 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (GOOD THOUGHTS--- GOOD WORDS--- GOOD DEEDS)
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To: AdmSmith
When can we post: Iranian Alert - IRAN LIVE THREAD PING LIST - THE DAY AFTER! ....

Hopefully soon.
25 posted on 10/08/2003 8:18:21 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: F14 Pilot
Bump!
26 posted on 10/08/2003 8:29:42 AM PDT by blackie
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To: F14 Pilot
I anticipate that you can use the same picture for 2008 as you have for 1978.
27 posted on 10/08/2003 8:51:19 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: F14 Pilot
Free Iran ~ Now ~ Bump!
28 posted on 10/08/2003 9:13:56 AM PDT by blackie
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A Chance for Change in Iran

October 08, 2003
FrontPageMag.com
Reza Torkzadeh

With its continued defiance of major international laws and world public opinion, is the international community prepared to confront the immediate threat that the clerical regime in Iran poses?

Unwilling to disclose its nuclear weapons program, the Islamic Republic of Iran has been given about three weeks by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) (October 31) to come clean with all uranium enrichment related imports and all components which may have been exposed to the uranium.

Despite the IAEA's intentions to persuade the clerical regime to comply with its demands, the track record of the regime's behavior towards such resolutions almost guarantee's the regime's noncompliance.

The Islamic Republic has been found by the United States Department of State to be the "most active" state sponsor of terrorism for two years in a row. The United Nations has repeatedly demanded the clerical regime's immediate conformity of its resolutions and charters, but to no avail and without any cogency. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch continuously condemn the regime's behaviors and methods of punishment yet, after two decades of complete disregard for human rights, unilateral sanctions and further diplomatic pressure, the regime continues to defy and violate the principles of progress and civilization.

What makes the IAEA think that the regime will listen to them?

It is no secret that the regime is working very closely with the local warlords in Afghanistan to destabilize the Karzai government. Since the fall of the Taliban, Iran has been sending Al Quds and Sepah-i-Mohammad forces into Afghanistan to support and supply weapons to independent warlords while simultaneously allowing members of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda to reside and cross into Iran.

Moreover, since the end of Saddam Hussein's regime, the clerical regime in Iran has been actively pursuing a policy of interference in Iraq. Military trained groups of both Iran's Badr Brigade and Iran's Revolutionary Guards were sent to Iraq to generate support for an Islamic style government similar to the Iranian regime.

What is even more interesting is that the IAEA is demanding "unrestricted access" to inspectors throughout the country and allow them to take environmental samples wherever and whenever they choose. Doesn't this sound familiar?

The international community must not allow inspectors to be led on another wild chase for weapons of mass destruction through a country whose ruling regime has proven to be a master of deception.

One thing is for sure: the regime in Tehran is the greatest threat to freedom, progress and peace in the world. The most serious threat that the clerical regime poses is not its development of nuclear weapons but instead, it is the regime's unequivocal and unwavering support of terrorism, it's meddling in the affairs of the region, its persistent interference in the Middle East peace process and the suffering and abuse of the Iranian people.

It is critical to remember that Iran is much different than Afghanistan and Iraq. Other than they're location and the fact that they were all once run by tyrannical regimes, these three countries have very few similarities.

So now the question remains: what to do? Military action is obviously not an option. And doing nothing is also not a choice. A budding and vibrant movement which already does exist in Iran must be supported openly and consistently.

Through the continued support of the will of the Iranian people and their already demonstrated strategy of non-violent political defiance, the U.S. and the free world can help bring about change in Iran within months rather than years. It can be done without using military forces and instead by empowering the Iranian people.

Today, Iran is surrounded by two potentially vigorous free and democratic states, and the regime in Iran is feeling the pressure.

Even if as Tehran insists its nuclear programs are only to generate electricity, the U.S has a chance to stay on course and confront the terrorist where they exist.

The U.S. has an opportunity to face the challenge with "focus and clarity and courage," and to bring about a change that is in the best long-term interests of all the people's in the world and one that will inevitably change the make-up of the Middle East.


Mr. Torkzadeh is a student at Thomas Jefferson School of Law in San Diego, CA.

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10212
29 posted on 10/08/2003 9:18:11 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: F14 Pilot
Bump!
30 posted on 10/08/2003 9:18:56 AM PDT by blackie
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To: F14 Pilot
Bump!
31 posted on 10/08/2003 9:19:17 AM PDT by blackie
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To: philosofy123
Excuse me.

You have a problem with Israel?
32 posted on 10/08/2003 10:59:09 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Stop thinking about it and do it.)
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To: F14 Pilot
Thanks for the heads up!
33 posted on 10/08/2003 11:46:16 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: chicagolady
I would think your first problem is that Iranians aren't Arabs, they're Persians.

And Moderate Muslims are the main people fighting radical Islam in Iran.

Iranian Christians and Jews love their country and know the big difference between Radicals and Moderates.
34 posted on 10/08/2003 12:18:27 PM PDT by Persia
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To: DoctorZIn
4 Nations Pose Biggest Deadly Weapons Risk

October 08, 2003
Gannett News Service
John Yaukey

WASHINGTON -- The regime-ending mistakes of Saddam Hussein were not lost on the ruling mullahs of Iran.

Instead of pursuing banned weapons underground as the ousted Iraqi leader did after the first gulf war, Iran -- by most accounts -- is pressing forward with a nuclear weapons initiative in full view of the world.

Only it's disguised as a civilian energy program.

The strategy, intelligence analysts say, is to get as close to weapons production as possible while abiding by international nonproliferation restrictions, then start making warheads when the United States is caught in a vulnerable position that discourages pre-emptive strikes.

Much like it is now.

If Iran succeeds, an anti-American theocracy that supports both terrorists and the eradication of Israel would be able to strike anywhere in the Middle East with nuclear weapons and draw the United States into a cataclysmic conflict.

"You just don't want to go there," said Miriam Rajkumar, a co-author of "Deadly Arsenals: Tracking Weapons of Mass Destruction." "A nuclear Iran would exacerbate so many problems in the Middle East."

That's just one of the many nightmare scenarios the intelligence community is confronting as weapons of mass destruction seep from the thaw of the Cold War into a clandestine coven of hostile governments and terrorists that trade in murky black markets.

And it isn't just adversaries that threaten national security.

Russia, a U.S. ally against terrorism, sits atop the world's largest WMD arsenal with frighteningly inadequate security and legions of ambitious arms dealers. If Pakistan's shaky President Pervez Musharraf falls to Islamic extremists, so goes his nuclear arsenal.

Here are the four most dangerous places:

Russia

Sometime in the 1990s, according to recently declassified intelligence reports, authorities intercepted 3 kilograms of highly enriched uranium from a car in Prague, Czech Republic.

The material, stolen from an engineering institute southwest of Moscow, was about a third of the mass necessary to make a nuclear weapon. The seizure led to the capture of a Ukrainian and a Belorussian, both with nuclear backgrounds.

When the Soviet Union dissolved, so did its iron grip on the world's largest arsenal of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons scattered from Russia's Arctic coast to Kazakhstan.

Since 1993, the International Atomic Energy Agency has investigated 175 cases of attempted nuclear smuggling, many of them involving elements of the former communist regime.

According to congressional security estimates, 60 percent of Russia's 20,000 nuclear warheads and 600 tons of weapons-grade material is not under adequate security.

Much of Russia's 40,000 metric tons of nerve gas and other chemical agents have not been sufficiently safeguarded because Moscow will not allow U.S. experts to engineer security upgrades, according to a General Accounting Office report.

At the Shchuchye chemical weapons repository in the Ural Mountains southeast of Moscow, there are some 2 million shells filled with sarin, VX and other nerve agents.

"I was photographed fitting chemical shells into a suitcase to demonstrate how easy it is to just cart them away," said Indiana's Republican Sen. Richard Lugar, one of the leading advocates for helping the Russians secure their arsenals.

At Vozrozhdeniya Island in the Aral Sea, the Russians dealt with 100 tons of biological agent simply by burying it, with minimal security.

The human element in the Russian equation is cause for equal concern: thousands of WMD scientists making less than $50 a month, some thought to be freelancing in Iran under cover as civilian energy experts.

Iran

For a country that claims it just wants nuclear energy, Iran is going about it in highly suspicious ways.

Iran is trying to build a uranium enrichment facility it claims is meant to produce fuel for the energy reactors it is constructing at Bushehr on the Persian Gulf. The enrichment equipment could also be capable of producing weapons-grade nuclear material. Iran has no need to enrich uranium for fuel since Russia has agreed to supply the fuel it needs, but Iran is building the plant anyway.

Iran also wants to produce heavy water, a liquid containing a form of hydrogen that's useful in making bomb-grade plutonium, yet its energy reactors will use only ordinary water.

The United States and Europe recently challenged Iran to prove its nuclear program is intended to produce only energy by submitting to aggressive inspections, an option Tehran initially refused but is now weighing if only to buy time.

"The conclusion is inescapable that Iran is pursuing its 'civil' nuclear energy program not for peaceful and economic purposes, but as a front for developing the capability to produce nuclear materials for nuclear weapons, " said John Bolton, undersecretary of state for arms control and international security.

Iran is known already to have blister, blood and choking agents, according to the Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Monterey Institute of International Studies in California.

Combine all that with well-established connections to terrorists in Lebanon and the result is unacceptable to both Washington and Jerusalem.

Israel -- believed to be the Middle East's only nuclear power, although it will neither admit nor deny it has the weapons -- has said it considers nuclear weapons in Iran an "existential threat."

A pre-emptive attack by Israel would be seen by the Arab world as part of a collusion with the United States, further eroding America's already thin credibility among Muslims.

Iran has signed the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, but it can legally back out with 90 days notice. If Iran is allowed to use the treaty as cover for an illegal weapons program, it would set a dangerous precedent, igniting similar ambitions in Egypt, Turkey and even Saudi Arabia.

Pakistan

Third World countries eager to go nuclear or acquire chemical or biological weapons once needed help from a superpower.

Now they're approaching Pakistan, which has a nuclear arsenal and a well-documented record of selling deadly technology to some of the planet's most dangerous regimes, including North Korea.

Abdul Qadeer Khan, the father of Pakistan's nuclear program, is known to have visited North Korea extensively during the early stages of its nuclear program. Meanwhile, Pakistan's Ghauri liquid-fuel ballistic missile is an identical copy of the North Korean Nodong missile, indicating some bartering.

Khan has been a frequent visitor to Iran as well, according to U.S. intelligence, while two retired Pakistani nuclear scientists have admitted to holding "academic" discussions with Osama bin Laden.

Pakistan's volatile politics and restive Islamic radicals are cause for further concern.

Sympathy for Afghanistan's ousted Islamic Taliban regime is rampant among Pakistan's cash-strapped military, which freely sells equipment without approval from the government, according to the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

Politically, Pakistan is secular -- but for how long?

The Mutahida Majlis-e-Amal, an alliance of six fundamentalist Islamic parties, has established near autonomy in Pakistan's North-West Frontier Province. A radical Islamic government in Islamabad in charge of nuclear weapons would pose a perilous threat to both U.S. and Indian security.

"Pakistan is now leaking dangerous technology," said Joseph Cirincione, director of Carnegie's Non-Proliferation Project. "If it destabilizes, it will hemorrhage the stuff."

Thus far, Pakistan's President Musharraf has been able to keep the conflict with India over disputed Kashmir restricted to occasional flare-ups. But radicals have advocated turning it into a jihad against Kashmir's Hindu occupiers.

An Indo-Pakistani nuclear war would kill millions and potentially plunge the world into an uncontrollable new arms race.

North Korea

There could scarcely be a more worrisome addition to the nuclear family than Pyongyang's wildly unpredictable Stalinist leader Kim Jong Il. Kim might already have one to three nuclear weapons and the capacity make more.

The evidence all indicates North Korea can launch missiles across most of East Asia and possibly to Hawaii and Alaska, and it has a record of selling advanced weapons technology to Iran, Syria, Libya, Egypt and Pakistan.

U.S. officials have accused Kim's cash-strapped regime of selling drugs and missiles and counterfeiting currency to raise money. But would Kim sell fissile material on the terrorist market?

Kim has not been linked to any known terrorists, but he has been caught peddling weapons to the governments that support them.

The Bush administration has thus far had little success in containing North Korea's weapons program as talks with the rogue nation continue to founder. The more immediate concern is whether Kim will test a nuclear weapon soon, as he has recently threatened. A successful test could easily kick off an Asian arms race, with security implications for Americans as the nuclear dominos fall.

Analysts predict Japan would bolster its conventional arms and reconsider its nuclear taboos if North Korea tested a nuclear weapon. South Korea would do the same.

The volatility would almost inevitably push China to expand its nuclear arsenal. India, a longtime foe of China, would follow suit, as would India's archenemy Pakistan.

North Korea recently announced it had finished processing 8,000 spent fuel rods from its Yongbyon nuclear plant into enough weapons-grade plutonium for up to a dozen warheads.

According to both American and Russian intelligence, North Korea possesses large stocks of the nerve agents sarin and VX that were made at as many as eight chemical weapons facilities. Russian intelligence has reported that North Korea is experimenting with anthrax, cholera, plague and smallpox, and might have weaponized some of these lethal pathogens.

"This is one of the most intractable problems in the world," said Choi Young-jin, chancellor of South Korea's Institute of Foreign Affairs and National Security.

http://www.delmarvanow.com/news/stories/20031008/localnews/410746.html
35 posted on 10/08/2003 12:39:25 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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Iran's Khatami Vows Not to Abandon Uranium Enrichment

October 08, 2003
AFX News
Ample

TEHRAN -- President Mohammad Khatami pledged that Iran would give "all necessary cooperation" to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to prove it has no secret nuclear weapons programme, but would not give up its "absolute right" to enrich uranium.

"We will give all necessary cooperation to assure the world that we are not seeking to have nuclear weapons," Khatami told reporters after a cabinet meeting.

But he reiterated objections here to an IAEA ultimatum that also demands Iran stop enriching uranium.

"According to international regulations, this is our absolute right," he said, adding that the international community also "has the right to obtain assurances over the peaceful nature of our nuclear activities".

"We are ready to remove their worries," the reformist president added.

The IAEA has asked Iran to produce a detailed list of its nuclear-related equipment, notably parts used in centrifuges for uranium enrichment, in order to resolve what have been described as "outstanding issues."

http://www.iii.co.uk/shares/?type=news&articleid=4765148&action=article
36 posted on 10/08/2003 12:40:16 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: DoctorZIn
Ex-hostage Taker and Khatami Adviser Gets Five More Years Jail

October 08, 2003
Reuters
MSNBC News

TEHRAN -- Iran's hardline judiciary added five years to the jail sentence of dissident journalist Abbas Abdi for possession of secret documents, his lawyer said on Wednesday.

''Abdi was given five more years in prison in connection with that part of his file related to keeping secret documents,'' his lawyer Saleh Nikbakht told Reuters without giving further details.

Abdi received a four-and-a-half year jail term in April after publishing a survey which said three-quarters of Iranians favoured a resumption of talks with Washington.

Judges said Abdi and another man had been guilty of ''collaboration with foreign governments'' and ''propaganda against the Islamic Republic.''

Abdi's lawyer said he would appeal against the latest ruling within the next 20 days.

The case against Abdi became a battleground between reformists allied to President Mohammad Khatami and powerful conservatives who have scuppered his efforts to create a more democratic and open society.

Dozens of dissidents and journalists have been jailed and some 80 publications banned in a judicial crackdown on the reformist movement.

Washington cut relations with Tehran after the 1979 Islamic Revolution and any suggestion of talks with Iran's arch-foe the United States is highly sensitive.

http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl/reuters10-08-035739.asp?reg=MIDEAST
37 posted on 10/08/2003 12:41:00 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: F14 Pilot
Funny cartoon
38 posted on 10/08/2003 2:50:42 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Stop thinking about it and do it.)
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To: DoctorZIn
Iran Needs Modern Weapons to Deter Enemies, Says Conservative

October 08, 2003
Deepika Global
DPA

Teheran -- Iran needs modern weapons to deter the country's enemies from attacking, a leading member of the conservative Islamic Society was quoted as saying today by the news service Kar.

''If our enemies consider attacking our country, just possessing progressive weapons will at least deter them and make them think twice,'' said Mohsen Yahyavi, a former MP and member of the conservative faction.

While refraining to use the term nuclear weapons, Yahyavi said in a meeting with the Islamist group Ansar Hezbollah (The Followers of the Party of God) that possession of such weapons did not necessarily mean using them.

But even according to the Koran (the holy Islamic book), moving towards obtaining weapons which our enemies possess is an obligation, said Yahyavi, referring to the nuclear arsenal of Israel.

Iran's leading officials, including President Mohammad Khatami, have several times stressed that nuclear weapons were not part of the country's programmes and would even be contrary to Iran's religious beliefs.

Yahyavi rejected an unconditional acceptance of the additional protocol of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and harshly criticised those who were in favour of unlimited nuclear inspections.

While referring especially to remarks last month by moderate Deputy Foreign Minister Mohsen Aminzadeh that Iran should have signed the protocol before the IAEA ultimatum, Yahyavi said such officials could not appropriately represent Iran in international forums.

Under the terms of an IAEA ultimatum Teheran has until October 31 to accept all IAEA regulations on nuclear inspections, and it has been warned that the issue will go to the United Nations Security Council for possible sanctions if it does not comply by November 20.

Unlike the reformist wing, the conservatives and hardliners in Iran consider giving in to the IAEA ultimatum as a political humiliation with some of them even calling for withdrawal from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

http://iranvajahan.net/cgi-bin/news.pl?l=en&y=2003&m=10&d=08&a=8
39 posted on 10/08/2003 2:53:58 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: F14 Pilot; DoctorZIn

"When the people speak, I put my hands over my ears like this and go, 'Lalalalalalalala!'"

40 posted on 10/08/2003 6:14:06 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: F14 Pilot
Tehran informed sources tell Asia Times Online that some top advisers to Khamenei, like Hoseyn Shari'atmadari, an intelligence officer appointed as editor of the hardline evening daily Keyhan, Mohammad Javad Larijani, and Dr Ali Akbar Velayati, the former foreign affairs minister, are among those pressing the leader to take Iran out of the NPT and follow the path taken by communist North Korea in dealing with the IAEA.

follow the path taken by communist North Korea

41 posted on 10/08/2003 6:38:02 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: F14 Pilot
Iran only offers "moral support" to terrorist murderers?

Impossible! Terrorists have no morals! It's the money, the training, the intel, the sanctuary, the C-4, and of course the missiles.

So Khatami says Israel is "too busy"? Keep whistling as you pass the graveyard of the Iraqi reactor.

History has a way of repeating itself for those who refused to get it the first time.

42 posted on 10/08/2003 6:45:34 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: F14 Pilot

Ode to His Holiness The Global Arrogance

Humptysanjani sits on a wall
Humptysanjani shall have a great fall
All the ayatollah's camels
And all the ayatollah's men
Shan't put Humptysanjani back together again.

43 posted on 10/08/2003 6:52:13 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
LOL!
44 posted on 10/08/2003 7:00:18 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Stop thinking about it and do it.)
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To: PhilDragoo
LOL!!

Very funny tonight!
45 posted on 10/08/2003 7:02:04 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Stop thinking about it and do it.)
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To: DoctorZIn
"While refraining to use the term nuclear weapons, Yahyavi said in a meeting with the Islamist group Ansar Hezbollah (The Followers of the Party of God) that possession of such weapons did not necessarily mean using them"

Oh, well I feel better.
46 posted on 10/08/2003 7:07:00 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Stop thinking about it and do it.)
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To: DoctorZIn
"Instead of pursuing banned weapons underground as the ousted Iraqi leader did after the first gulf war, Iran -- by most accounts -- is pressing forward with a nuclear weapons initiative in full view of the world."

"By most accounts..."
How would they know?
47 posted on 10/08/2003 8:15:52 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Stop thinking about it and do it.)
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To: Persia
Thanks for the heads up and education.
48 posted on 10/08/2003 8:30:01 PM PDT by chicagolady
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To: DoctorZIn; McGavin999; Eala; AdmSmith; dixiechick2000; nuconvert; onyx; Pro-Bush; Valin; ...
Unhelpful Iran?

08 October 2003
Jane's Magazine

Sources in the Bush administration say that Iran is putting pressure on Shi'ite members of Iraq's Governing Council to pull out of the newly created 25-member body. If this story is true, and the Shi'ites walk out, the council would be plunged into crisis. The story may, however, be US propaganda.

What Foreign Report has learned, however, is that Abdulaziz Hakim, head of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) and a member of the Governing Council, was in Tehran on 6 October meeting President Mohammed Khatami and the role of the council was up for discussion.

With little sign of elections, the Governing Council is trying to become a de facto government. The problem is that, because it was set up to represent all the different groups within the country, the Council has let the genie of ethnic competition out of the bottle.

The Governing Council is also considering a report on creating a new constitution. Many would like to see a strongly Islamic document with reference to Sharia law, but it is hard to see the USA agreeing. And the thorny subject of federalism is still in the pending tray.

http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr031008_1_n.shtml
49 posted on 10/08/2003 10:52:43 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
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To: downer911
Ping to # 43
50 posted on 10/08/2003 10:57:07 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
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