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HORRIFYING ACCOUNT BARES ACCUSER'S 'RAPE ORDEAL'
New York Post ^ | 10/10/03 | DAN MANGAN and BARRY BORTNICK

Posted on 10/10/2003 12:31:09 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:17:04 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

October 10, 2003 -- EAGLE, Colo. - The woman who accused NBA superstar Kobe Bryant of rape said he attacked her from behind - grabbing her around the neck with both hands, leaning her over a chair, pulling down her panties and raping her, a detective testified yesterday.


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To: kattracks
"He leaned her over a chair.....then he proceeded to have sexual intercourse with her from behind..."

Kobe stated that he typically had sex in this fashion so that both could still watch MTV....
51 posted on 10/10/2003 5:59:10 AM PDT by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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To: NittanyLion; Yeti; Az Joe
Using a basketball analogy - Kobe doesn't have home court advantage in this hearing and I think venue will play an important role. Vail/Beaver Creek is not a liberal hotbed and that may translate to the judical system as well (I must admit this is speculation).

If this trial were in LA, it would already be over, Kobe would have paid off the woman or maybe he would have recieved a slap on the wrist and 200 hours of community service.

No, I think Kobe has an uphill climb and he is going to pay some heavy dues.

52 posted on 10/10/2003 6:00:47 AM PDT by daniel boob (UT 24 OU 17 - Hook Em Horns)
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To: kattracks
The detective said DNA tests on blood streaks found on Bryant's T-shirt showed the blood came from the victim.

This can't be good for Kobe.
53 posted on 10/10/2003 6:02:44 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: TRY ONE
...so that both could still watch MTV....

For five minutes. Must be some really good videos they're putting out these days.
54 posted on 10/10/2003 6:07:18 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: kattracks
My previous posts on this subject indicate I'm not on Kobe's side. However, one thing bothers me.

If what she says happened was happening to me, I'd be screaming my lungs out. I'd take that chair and swing it around on his face. I'd fight like a banshee. Screams often drive attackers away.

After all, they were in a hotel full of people and it appears his bodyguards were in an approximate room. It's not like they were in the middle of a remote desert somewhere where screams would go unnoticed. I haven't read where he duct-taped her mouth.

Perhaps she was paralyzed with fear. Perhaps some women react differently when raped. I don't know. All I know is that something doesn't compute here, at least to me. I would be yelling so loud it would wake up every customer and staff person in the entire hotel.

Leni

56 posted on 10/10/2003 6:10:26 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: AD from SpringBay
It's actually not good for any of us, as you can bet the defense team will subject the court (meaning, everyone following the case) to days of testimony about how it's natural for some women to bleed every time they have intercourse, etc. We're going to go even lower into the gutter than we already are.
58 posted on 10/10/2003 6:18:14 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: mewzilla
Good find...could be her.

"She is not stupid"...NO, she is vicious.

Regarding her NAMING the claimant 6 times....What about the Rape-shield law??
59 posted on 10/10/2003 6:19:38 AM PDT by Merovingian
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To: Merovingian
Correct that last post...The Rape-Shield law was violated by her making the statement about the three times in three days..

60 posted on 10/10/2003 6:23:18 AM PDT by Merovingian
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To: kattracks
Well, well, well.

I said it before, and I'll say it again. Kobe Bryant is a filthy rapist. He deserves to spend a very long time in prison. Further, he deserves to be shorn of every last dime of money he's got, and to be left penniless and destitute.

Let him be known henceforth as "R" Bryant.

61 posted on 10/10/2003 6:24:42 AM PDT by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: Revelation 911
thats just my opinion - and Kobe's gonna have a real hard time 'splainin away vaginal lacerations and the choke hold -

....and from that tiny picture weve seen, she's credible

FWIW, former Denver County prosecuter Craig Silverman was on local radio this am and said that a coviction was very questionable. He characterized the prosecutions evidence as "weak" and also said that the LACK of any bruises on the victims neck did not support her account of being choked or held by the neck for 5 minutes. Craig felt that did not bolster the victims credibility. Not to mention that she willing went up to his room and admits kissing him, a man she just met.

62 posted on 10/10/2003 6:25:15 AM PDT by MileHi (+)
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To: MinuteGal
I dunno...have you ever been raped? Have you ever been raped with somebody's hands wrapped around your throat? Have you ever been raped by a 6 foot something 200+ pound man from behind with his hands wrapped around your throat? It's hard to speculate what you would or would not do.
63 posted on 10/10/2003 6:29:22 AM PDT by PLOM...NOT!
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To: PLOM...NOT!
My question was a posit to elicit comments. Thanks for your input.

Leni

64 posted on 10/10/2003 6:33:13 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: najida
The girl is planning cuddles by the fire and picking out china patterns.

And stressing over whether they both like what the china pattern symbolizes, and what it says about their relationship.

65 posted on 10/10/2003 6:39:24 AM PDT by vollmond
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To: MinuteGal
I know several women who have been raped because of something stupid they did (their own words) and they didn't report it....Opened a door, got in a car, got alone, went somewhere...whatever.

And they while they said no, and struggled, the problem was that they initialy liked the guy or at least didn't see him as any kind of threat. They had a certain level of trust. The best way I can put it, is that the shock of having that trust violated was paralysing while they were trying to process what was happening to them.

Their stories (that I knew years before this whole Kobe thing) are SO much like this girl's story, that I believe her. Case of Dumb Girl Syndrome.
66 posted on 10/10/2003 7:08:14 AM PDT by najida (He who is without baggage can cast the first Samsonite.)
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To: honeygrl
It's a sad day when you have to sign a legal contract before having sex just to prove it is consensual.

Wouldn't make no nevermind here in the People's Republic of Illinois. Even after giving consent, a woman here can change her mind and say no at any time during the act, and if the man does not immediately desist, it's rape!

67 posted on 10/10/2003 7:16:09 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (ERROR CODE 018974523: Random Tagline Compiler Failure)
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To: najida
"Case of Dumb Girl Syndrome."

Exactly. I believe MOST rapes dont get reported because the victim feels she was resposible in some way and fear of having to endure a low-life Attorney smear tactics such as Kobe's.

I dont know if this woman was raped or not, but blood during sex is not usual. That makes me wonder.
68 posted on 10/10/2003 7:30:58 AM PDT by FeliciaCat
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To: Penny
To you and others: I am curious about the blood on his shirt and the swiftness with which law enforcement retrieved and tested it. Does anyone on FR have additional information about this?

Wouldn't the blood evidence be enough to offset the "he said, she said" kind of case the defense is making it to be?

I hadn't heard about the blood on the shirt until yesterday, but I did know the police arrived at his hotel room about 24 hours after the alleged attack (the girl reported it about 12 hours after, and was photographed and examined that afternoon, then the police go to visit Bryant) and were there quite a while looking for and collecting evidence.

To my mind it definitely goes against him. First, the presence of blood indicates force---and here the defense attorney wanted to make it sound like she's with guys all the time--bleeding the whole while? I don't think so----and the fact that he kept a shirt on during the act has some implications.

Also, there are reports---NOT on the court record, so we shall see----that he at first denied being with the girl, so finding her blood on his shirt goes against his later admission they were together consensually. I wonder if, when he finally admitted to having sex with her, if he indicated it was on the bed, and I wonder if they subsequently found evidence on that chair. Time will tell.

69 posted on 10/10/2003 7:31:01 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Revelation 911
stick a fork in him - he's done

Unless they can do something to refute the damning facts and detailed allegations above, like prove she got the bruises and lacerations somewhere else, I think you're right.

70 posted on 10/10/2003 7:36:54 AM PDT by jimt
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To: FeliciaCat
I agree with your post....

but
......but blood during sex is not usual.

EEK! WHO are you dating girlfriend?!?!

71 posted on 10/10/2003 7:37:51 AM PDT by najida (He who is without baggage can cast the first Samsonite.)
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To: najida
??? I said it was NOT usual....your saying it is?
72 posted on 10/10/2003 7:38:56 AM PDT by FeliciaCat
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To: kattracks
Kobe's defense strategy is to destroy the girl.
73 posted on 10/10/2003 7:40:02 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: najida; FeliciaCat
Oops....
I can't read this morning (or any morning, who am I trying to fool)....

I read it as UNusual...

So sorry.
(slinking off).
74 posted on 10/10/2003 7:41:03 AM PDT by najida (He who is without baggage can cast the first Samsonite.)
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To: Motherbear
Apparently, the injuries are so minor that the cop never saw the very tiny bruise on her face and the tears on her vagina can't be seen without microscopic aid.If she had rough sex with any of the previous three guys, this could easily be explained.

What three guys?

There is no evidence there are any other guys but Bryant.

As to the microscopic aid to see the tears. Obviously that is not so. Photos were introduced in court of that area yesterday and I am confident they would not introduce such pictures unless they were extremely compelling. I do believe the reporters, who are clearly misreporting the testimony (witness the conflicting reports of what the testimony was: First the tattoo is on her back, then her ankle) reported the wrong word regarding this matter. In fact, from the article:

The detective said there was blood in the woman's panties and the nurse who examined her at the hospital found many 2 mm lacerations - "too many to count."

That is not microscopic.

75 posted on 10/10/2003 7:49:15 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Motherbear
To begin with, they're pretty minor.

So what's your theory of how her blood got on his shirt from these "minor" (not) injuries?

76 posted on 10/10/2003 7:51:09 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
I am not a supporter of Kobe in any way, but could blood have come from her being on her menstrual cycle? Or just recently?
77 posted on 10/10/2003 8:02:50 AM PDT by CollegeRepublican
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To: Motherbear
She's building a case.

No she's not. She's asking a witness to assume a hypothetical statement of facts based upon no evidence in the record.

The question was not only salacious, but it was technically improper. If she pulls the stunt again, I would expect the judge to levy a significant sanction.

78 posted on 10/10/2003 8:05:37 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: MinuteGal
it appears his bodyguards were in an approximate room.

Actually I understood the bodyguards were on a different floor than he and that within those first 24 hours I thought it had been reported that he had switched rooms with one of the body guards.

The more I hear of the type of defence lawyer he has procured and the flip flops in his denials and the ring and tatoos, I'm starting to think this whole "clean as a whistle" player was far from it.

Anyone that has dated or known a "jock" in high school knows their attitude of their superiority and it takes good character or an outside character to reign that attitude in. I have a feeling with Kobe's ability on the court he probably has never really faced the consequences of his actions off the court. Just IMO of course of past experiences.
79 posted on 10/10/2003 8:07:03 AM PDT by BabsC
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To: najida
Blood during sex is "not usual"; I beg to differ. I thought it was not unusual.
80 posted on 10/10/2003 8:07:26 AM PDT by August West (Half of my life, I spent doing time....)
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To: MinuteGal
"After all, they were in a hotel full of people and it appears his bodyguards were in an approximate room. It's not like they were in the middle of a remote desert somewhere where screams would go unnoticed."

Actually, Kobe's room was at the end of a first-floor hallway. His bodyguards were in rooms on the third floor. There were no people in rooms near Kobe's.

Michael

81 posted on 10/10/2003 8:11:03 AM PDT by Wright is right! (Never get excited about something by the way it looks from behind.)
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To: kattracks
How disgusting!

If Kobe Bryant had done this to my daughter, he wouldn't be alive to stand trial.
82 posted on 10/10/2003 8:13:09 AM PDT by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: August West
See my next post...I misread.
83 posted on 10/10/2003 8:16:35 AM PDT by najida (He who is without baggage can cast the first Samsonite.)
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To: CollegeRepublican
I am not a supporter of Kobe in any way, but could blood have come from her being on her menstrual cycle? Or just recently?

I think logic dictates the blood came from the numerous lacerations (see the excerpt I posted at #75) she suffered. There was no testimony that she was having her period, and she did get examined, so I would think that possibility must be discarded (plus it would be unlikely she would consent to intercourse if she was). In fact, Mackey would have used that if there was any evidence indicating it was menstrual blood.

84 posted on 10/10/2003 8:22:43 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: CollegeRepublican
I am not a supporter of Kobe in any way, but could blood have come from her being on her menstrual cycle? Or just recently?

I bet there's a way to tell if blood was from the cycle or from an injury. It's not just blood in a cycle, there's a sloughing off of tissue, too. And don't forget the vaginal tearing involved. Finally, if there was an issue of the victim's cycle being involved in the bloodstains I'm sure Kobe's lawyer would have brought it up. Since she didn't, I'd assume the defense isn't disputing that the blood came from sexual activity.

85 posted on 10/10/2003 8:25:41 AM PDT by mikegi
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To: kattracks
Where's his wife? It doesn't seem to me that she is standing by her man. Maybe she doesn't believe him? Maybe it sounds just a bit too familiar?

Hmmmm.
86 posted on 10/10/2003 8:25:59 AM PDT by It's me
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To: CollegeRepublican
Could it be because of his size, not necessarily the force?
87 posted on 10/10/2003 8:27:21 AM PDT by GYPSY286
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To: jaykay
There is physical evidence...Blood? Lacerations? That's not normal in consensual sex.
88 posted on 10/10/2003 8:31:34 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: fso301
I think she was wearing a skirt.
89 posted on 10/10/2003 8:32:12 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: mewzilla
I don't know why everyone is ragging on the Defense attorney. This is a man's life we're talking about. I know it's difficult to listen to, but she would be neglect in her duties if she didn't use the woman's background to her advantage. It's the only thing they have.
90 posted on 10/10/2003 8:34:33 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: GYPSY286
Size really doesn't matter if it's well lubricated... Okay, maybe it does matter when you are talking Stallion size... but we do not know YET how hung Kobe really is...
91 posted on 10/10/2003 8:36:20 AM PDT by STFrancis
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To: STFrancis
Think jonnie cockran rhymes.......If the glove does not fit.....
92 posted on 10/10/2003 8:48:04 AM PDT by CollegeRepublican
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To: dennisw
"At one point, the woman said, Bryant bizarrely leaned down in front of her face and told her he liked Vail, Colo., which is near the resort."

Hey, now there is a line that makes chicks hot.
93 posted on 10/10/2003 8:51:18 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: It's me
What I find very strange is that his wife wasn't with him on his first trip to Colorado.

New mom, not working....Dad is going somewhere...
I would be with him for a bit of a family holiday with the darlin' new baby girl. To take care of hubby after his surgery etc.

My guess is that his wife is totally into Mommy mode with the baby and not paying attention to him. Being ignored is not something he is used to.

So he takes it out on the first chick through the door.
94 posted on 10/10/2003 8:54:46 AM PDT by najida (He who is without baggage can cast the first Samsonite.)
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To: najida
I know several women who have been raped because of something stupid they did (their own words) and they didn't report it....Opened a door, got in a car, got alone, went somewhere...whatever.

You just explained the problem. These women think they were raped because they think they did something to start it and it's their fault it happened. It's also why they don't report it. Reality is these women should be able to be naked and spread eagled in front of a topless bar and still not be expected to be raped.

95 posted on 10/10/2003 8:55:20 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.)
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To: TomHarkinIsNotFromIowa
I've heard of even married ladies crying rape these days. Better get you one of those condom packets those people were giving out. :)
96 posted on 10/10/2003 8:56:38 AM PDT by honeygrl
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To: kattracks
Just curious question for Freeper legal types. How is the investigator able to testify about what the accuser told him? Isn't this all hearsay?
97 posted on 10/10/2003 8:57:59 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Shooter 2.5
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
You get it!

But with rape,
The actions of the victim give validity to the crime (in societies twerked mind).
While we would come off as just plain silly if we did it with another crime
(ie, my 'stupid man wearing a Rolex in a ghetto bar' analogy).

Sadly, every one of these women, when they told the story, knew they had been raped, but thought they wouldn't be believed because of their bad judgement.
98 posted on 10/10/2003 8:59:44 AM PDT by najida (He who is without baggage can cast the first Samsonite.)
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To: BigBobber
This is the preliminary hearing.

At the trial, she'll have to testify to all this herself, but having one person, usually a detective, lay out prosecution evidence is SOP at a preliminary hearing.
99 posted on 10/10/2003 9:05:13 AM PDT by EllaMinnow (Life is too important to be taken seriously.)
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To: Mr. Lucky
More on the Rape Shield Law:
This Rule declares that evidence offered to prove the victim engaged in other sexual behavior, or evidence offered to prove any victim's sexual predisposition, is generally inadmissable in any civil or criminal proceeding involving alleged sexual misconduct.
100 posted on 10/10/2003 9:07:52 AM PDT by Merovingian
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