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Prophecy of St Malachy (with list of Popes)
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Posted on 11/19/2003 10:42:24 PM PST by Salvation

Prophecy of St Malachy

When I read The Year of Three Popes by Peter Hebblethwaite (about the events of 1978 which saw the death of Paul VI, the election and death of John Paul I, and then the election of John Paul II) he mentions the spate of editorials in the Osservatore Romano and the spate of letters to the editor in the Times of London at the time of the conclaves about what the mottos attributed to the dead pope or the next pope by St Malachy in his prophecies. Enthralled, I went to the library and looked through the microfilm of the Times to read the letters myself. And then I tried to track down a copy of the prophecies. I have them reproduced below, as well as an explanation of them from the Catholic Encyclopedia. The prevailing view today is that they are elaborate forgeries, probably perpretrated by a school of Jesuits in the 1600s. This is based on the clear relation of the mottos to the various popes until that period, and the need to find oblique references (such as the motto of the Pope's home diocese) to make the particular motto fit the particular pope. The inclusion of anti-popes would also appear to militate against the authenticity of the prophecies. Nevetheless, as each new conclave comes and goes, people start to become a bit jittery about them. I think they are a bit of fun, and the semantic exercise of trying to fit the motto to the Pope that goes on in letters to the editor around the world is great reading!

According to the prophecy, the next Pope will be the second last Pope Gloria Olivae ("Glory of the Olives"). Will we see the return of an Italian to Vatican Hill? Or will it be a Frenchman or a Spaniard? Someone from Latin America, perhaps, the Glory of the Spanish New World?

(From the Catholic Encyclopedia 1913 edition)

The most famous and best known prophecies about the popes are those attributed to St. Malachy. In 1139 he went to Rome to give an account of the affairs of his diocese to the pope, Innocent II, who promised him two palliums for the metropolitan Sees of Armagh and Cashel. While at Rome, he received (according to the Abbé Cucherat) the strange vision of the future wherein was unfolded before his mind the long list of illustrious pontiffs who were to rule the Church until the end of time. The same author tells us that St. Malachy gave his manuscript to Innocent II to console him in the midst of his tribulations, and that the document remained unknown in the Roman Archives until its discovery in 1590 (Cucherat, "Proph. de la succession des papes", ch. xv). They were first published by Arnold de Wyon, and ever since there has been much discussion as to whether they are genuine predictions of St. Malachy or forgeries. The silence of 400 years on the part of so many learned authors who had written about the popes, and the silence of St. Bernard especially, who wrote the "Life of St. Malachy", is a strong argument against their authenticity, but it is not conclusive if we adopt Cucherat's theory that they were hidden in the Archives during those 400 years.

These short prophetical announcements, in number 112, indicate some noticeable trait of all future popes from Celestine II, who was elected in the year 1130, until the end of the world. They are enunciated under mystical titles. Those who have undertaken to interpret and explain these symbolical prophecies have succeeded in discovering some trait, allusion, point, or similitude in their application to the individual popes, either as to their country, their name, their coat of arms or insignia, their birth-place, their talent or learning, the title of their cardinalate, the dignities which they held etc. For example, the prophecy concerning Urban VIII is Lilium et Rosa (the lily and the rose); he was a native of Florence and on the arms of Florence figured a fleur-de-lis; he had three bees emblazoned on his escutcheon, and the bees gather honey from the lilies and roses. Again, the name accords often with some remarkable and rare circumstance in the pope's career; thus Peregrinus apostolicus (pilgrim pope), which designates Pius VI, appears to be verified by his journey when pope into Germany, by his long career as pope, and by his expatriation from Rome at the end of his pontificate. Those who have lived and followed the course of events in an intelligent manner during the pontificates of Pius IX, Leo XIII, and Pius X cannot fail to be impressed with the titles given to each by the prophecies of St. Malachy and their wonderful appropriateness: Crux de Cruce (Cross from a Cross) Pius IX; Lumen in caelo (Light in the Sky) Leo XIII; Ignis ardens (Burning Fire) Pius X. There is something more than coincidence in the designations given to these three popes so many hundred years before their time. We need not have recourse either to the family names, armorial bearings or cardinalatial titles, to see the fitness of their designations as given in the prophecies. The afflictions and crosses of Pius IX were more than fell to the lot of his predecessors; and the more aggravating of these crosses were brought on by the House of Savoy whose emblem was a cross. Leo XIII was a veritable luminary of the papacy. The present pope is truly a burning fire of zeal for the restoration of all things to Christ.

The last of these prophecies concerns the end of the world and is as follows: "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End." It has been noticed concerning Petrus Romanus, who according to St. Malachy's list is to be the last pope, that the prophecy does not say that no popes will intervene between him and his predecessor designated Gloria olivoe. It merely says that he is to be the last, so that we may suppose as many popes as we please before "Peter the Roman". Cornelius a Lapide refers to this prophecy in his commentary "On the Gospel of St. John" (C. xvi) and "On the Apocalypse" (cc. xvii-xx), and he endeavours to calculate according to it the remaining years of time.

The Prophecies

Pope No. Name (Reign) Motto No Motto (and explanation)
167 Celestine II (1143-1144) 1 Ex castro Tyberis
(from a castle on the Tiber)
Hist.: Celestin II was born in Citta di Castello, Toscany, on the shores of the Tiber
168 Lucius II (1144-1145) 2 Inimicus expulsus
169 Eugene III (1145-1153) 3 Ex magnitudine montis
(Of the greatness of the mount)
Hist.: Born in the castle of Grammont (latin: mons magnus), his family name was Montemagno
170 Anastasius IV (1153-1154) 4 Abbas Suburranus
171 Adrian IV (1154-1159) 5 De rure albo
(field of Albe)
Hist.: Born in the town of Saint-Alban
Antipope Victor IV (1159-1164) 6 Ex tetro carcere
Antipope Paschal III (1164-1168) 7 Via trans-Tyberina
Antipope Calistus III (1168-1178) 8 De Pannonia Tusciae
172 Alexander III (1159-1181) 9 Ex ansere custode
173 Lucius III (1181-1185) 10 Lux in ostio
174 Urban III (1185-1187) 11 Sus in cribo
175 Gregory VIII (1187) 12 Ensis Laurentii
176 Clement III (1187-1191) 13 De schola exiet
177 Celestine III (1191-1198) 14 De rure bovensi
178 Innocent III (1198-1216) 15 Comes signatus
(signed Count)
Hist.: descendant of the noble Signy, later called Segni family
179 Honorius III (1216-1227) 16 Canonicus de latere
180 Gregory IX (1227-1241) 17 Avis Ostiensis
(Bird of Ostia)
Hist.: before his election he was Cardinal of Ostia
181 Celestine IV (1241) 18 Leo Sabinus
182 Innocent IV (1243-1254) 19 Comes Laurentius
183 Alexander IV (1254-1261) 20 Signum Ostiense
184 Urban IV (1261-1264) 21 Hierusalem Campaniae
(Jerusalem of Champagne)
Hist.: native of Troyes, Champagne, later patriarch of Jerusalem
185 Clement IV (1265-1268) 22 Draca depressus
186 Gregory X (1271-1276) 23 Anguinus vir
187 Innocent V (1276) 24 Concionatur Gallus
188 Adrian V (1276) 25 Bonus Comes
189 John XXI (1276-1277) 26 Piscator Tuscus
190 Nicholas III (1277-1280) 27 Rosa composita
191 Martin IV (1281-1285) 28 Ex teloneo liliacei Martini
192 Honorius IV (1285-1287) 29 Ex rosa leonina
193 Nicholas IV (1288-1292) 30 Picus inter escas
194 Nicholas IV (1288-1292) 31 Ex eremo celsus
(elevated from a hermit)
Hist.: prior to his election he was a hermit in the monastery of Pouilles
195 Boniface VIII (1294-1303) 32 Ex undarum benedictione
196 Benedict XI (1303-1304) 33 Concionator patereus
197 Clement V (1305-1314) 34 De fessis Aquitanicis
(ribbon of Aquitaine)
Hist.: was archbishop of Bordeaux in Aquitaine
198 John XXII (1316-1334) 35 De sutore osseo
(of the cobbler of Osseo)
Hist.: Family name Ossa, son of a shoe-maker
Antipope Nicholas V (1328-1330) 36 Corvus schismaticus
(the schismatic crow)
Note the reference to the schism, the only antipope at this period
199 Benedict XII (1334-1342) 37 Frigidus Abbas
(cold friar)
Hist.: he was a priest in the monastery of Frontfroid (coldfront)
200 Clement VI (1342-1352) 38 De rosa Attrebatensi
201 Innocent VI (1352-1362) 39 De montibus Pammachii
202 Urban V (1362-1370) 40 Gallus Vice-comes
203 Gregory XI (1370-1378) 41 Novus de Virgine forti
(novel of the virgin fort)
Hist.: count of Beaufort, later Cardinal of Ste-Marie La Neuve
Antipope Clement VII (1378-1394) 42 De cruce Apostilica
Antipope Benedict XIII (1394-1423) 43 Luna Cosmedina
Antipope Clement VIII (1423-1429) 44 Schisma Barcinonicum
204 Urban VI (1378-1389) 45 De Inferno praegnanti
205 Boniface IX (1389-1404) 46 Cubus de mixtione
206 Innocent VII (1404-1406) 47 De meliore sydere
207 Gregory XII (1406-1415) 48 Nauta de ponte nigro
Antipope Alexander V (1409-1410) 49 Flagellum Solis
Antipope John XXIII (1410-1415) 50 Cervus Sirenae
208 Martin V (1417-1431) 51 Corona veli aurei
209 Eugene IV (1431-1447) 52 Lupa caelestina
Antipope Felix V (1439-1449) 53 Amator crucis
210 Nicholas V (1447-1455) 54 De modicitate lunae
211 Callistus III (1455-1458) 55 Bos pascens
(grazing ox)
Hist.: Alphonse Borgia's arms sported a golden grazing ox
212 Pius II (1458-1464) 56 De capra et Albergo
213 Paul II (1464-1471) 57 De cervo et Leone
214 Sixtus IV (1471-1484) 58 Piscator Minorita
215 Innocent VIII (1484-1492) 59 Praecursor Siciliae
216 Alexander VI (1492-1503) 60 Bos Albanus in portu
217 Pius III (1503) 61 De parvo homine
218 Julius II (1503-1513) 62 Fructus jovis juvabit
219 Leo X (1513-1521) 63 De craticula Politiana
220 Adrian VI (1522-1523) 64 Leo Florentius
221 Clement VII (1523-1534) 65 Flos pilaei aegri
222 Paul III (1534-1549) 66 Hiacynthus medicorum
223 Julius III (1550-1555) 67 De corona Montana
224 Marcellus II (1555) 68 Frumentum floccidum
225 Paul IV (1555-1559) 69 De fide Petri
226 Pius IV (1559-1565) 70 Aesculapii pharmacum
227 St. Pius V (1566-1572) 71 Angelus nemorosus
228 Gregory XIII (1572-1585) 72 Medium corpus pilarum
229 Sixtus V (1585-1590) 73 Axis in medietate signi
230 Urban VII (1590) 74 De rore caeli
231 Gregory XIV (1590-1591) 75 De antiquitate Urbis
232 Innocent IX (1591) 76 Pia civitas in bello
233 Clement VIII (1592-1605) 77 Crux Romulea
234 Leo XI (1605) 78 Undosus Vir
235 Paul V (1605-1621) 79 Gens perversa
236 Gregory XV (1621-1623) 80 In tribulatione pacis
237 Urban VIII (1623-1644) 81 Lilium et rosa
238 Innocent X (1644-1655) 82 Jucunditas crucis
239 Alexander VII (1655-1667) 83 Montium custos
240 Clement IX (1667-1669) 84 Sydus Olorum
(constellation of swans)Hist.: upon his election, he was apparently the occupant of the Chamber of Swans in the Vatican.
241 Clement X (1670-1676) 85 De flumine magno
242 Innocent XI (1676-1689) 86 Bellua insatiabilis
243 Alexander VIII (1689-1691) 87 Poenitentia gloriosa
244 Innocent XII (1691-1700) 88 Rastrum in porta
245 Clement XI (1700-1721) 89 Flores circumdati
246 Innocent XIII (1721-1724) 90 De bona Religione
247 Benedict XIII (1724-1730) 91 Miles in bello
248 Clement XII (1730-1740) 92 Columna excelsa
249 Benedict XIV (1740-1758) 93 Animal rurale
250 Clement XIII (1758-1769) 94 Rosa Umbriae
251 Clement XIV (1769-1774) 95 Ursus velox
252 Pius VI (1775-1799) 96 Peregrinus Apostolicus
253 Pius VII (1800-1823) 97 Aquila rapax
254 Leo XII (1823-1829) 98 Canis et coluber
255 Pius VIII (1829-1830) 99 Vir religiosus
256 Gregory XVI (1831-1846) 100 De balneis hetruriae
(bath of Etruria)
Hist.: prior to his election he was member of an order founded by Saint Romuald, at Balneo, in Etruria, present day Toscany.
257 Pius IX (1846-1878) 101 Crux de cruce
258 Leo XIII (1878-1903) 102 Lumen in caelo
259 St. Pius X (1903-1914) 103 Ignis ardent
(ardent fire)
260 Benedict XV (1914-1922) 104 Religio depopulata
261 Pius XI (1922-1939) 105 Fides intrepida
262 Pius XII (1939-1958) 106 Pastor angelicus
263 John XXIII (1958-1963) 107 Pastor et Nauta
(pastor and marine)
Hist.: prior to his election he was patriarch of Venice, a marine city, home of the gondolas
264 Paul VI (1963-1978) 108 Flos florum
(flower of flowers)
Hist.: his arms displayed three lilies.
265 John Paul I (1978) 109 De medietate Lunae
(of the half of the moon)
Hist.: Albino Luciani, born in Canale d'Ogardo, diocese of Belluno, (beautiful moon) Elected pope on august 26, his reign lasted about a month, from half a moon to the next half...
266 John Paul II (1978-) 110 De labore Solis
(of the eclipse of the sun, or from the labour of the sun)
Hist.:Karol Wojtyla was born on May 18, 1920 during a solar eclipse. He also comes from behind the former Iron Curtain. He might also be seen to be the fruit of the intercession of the Woman Clothed with the Sun labouring in Revelation 12 (because of his devotion to the Virgin Mary).
267 ??? 111 Gloria olivae
268 ???   In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oues in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis ciuitas septicollis diruetur, & Iudex tremêdus iudicabit populum suum. Finis.
(In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End.)



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Two more popes??

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1 posted on 11/19/2003 10:42:25 PM PST by Salvation
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To: Salvation
**De labore Solis
(of the eclipse of the sun, or from the labour of the sun)
Hist.:Karol Wojtyla was born on May 18, 1920 during a solar eclipse. He also comes from behind the former Iron Curtain. He might also be seen to be the fruit of the intercession of the Woman Clothed with the Sun labouring in Revelation 12 (because of his devotion to the Virgin Mary).**

Didn't I read on FR somewhere that there will be an eclipse of the sun sometime in November?
2 posted on 11/19/2003 10:49:56 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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**Didn't I read on FR somewhere that there will be an eclipse of the sun sometime in November?**

I guess it was just all the article about the sun flares.
3 posted on 11/19/2003 10:54:31 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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4 posted on 11/19/2003 10:55:28 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
BUMP
5 posted on 11/19/2003 10:57:14 PM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Salvation
**Didn't I read on FR somewhere that there will be an eclipse of the sun sometime in November?**
I guess it was just all the article about the sun flares.
3 posted on 11/19/2003 10:54 PM PST by Salvation

Lunar Eclipse: 11/9/03
Solar Eclipse: 11/23/03

As for St. Malachy, I put zero stock in the "prophecies."

Even if authentic, they are simply a Rorscharch test for projecting one's own thoughts rather than scrying out the future.

6 posted on 11/20/2003 12:29:09 AM PST by Dajjal (The world is not coming to an end)
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It would be rather unnerving, however, if our current Pope passed away Sunday.

Like you, however, I hold no store by these prophesies, and consider them, like the tale of Pope Joan, to be wishful fabrications.

7 posted on 11/20/2003 4:13:32 AM PST by Junior ("Your superior intellects are no match for our puny weapons!")
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To: Salvation
For example, the prophecy concerning Urban VIII is Lilium et Rosa (the lily and the rose); he was a native of Florence and on the arms of Florence figured a fleur-de-lis;

Just a minor thing - the Fleur-de-Lis is an Iris, not a lily, if that was what what implied. The lily and the rose are symbols of the Blessed Mother, the fleur-de-lis is more of a state thing. Florence, France (of Louis IX) and St. Louis (the city) all use it as a symbol.
8 posted on 11/20/2003 5:04:30 AM PST by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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Didn't I read on FR somewhere that there will be an eclipse of the sun sometime in November?

On Sunday, 2003 November 23, a total eclipse of the Sun will be visible from within a narrow corridor which traverses the far Southern Hemisphere. The path of the Moon's umbral shadow begins in the Indian Ocean, and quickly sweeps over portions of Antarctica. A partial eclipse will be seen within the much broader path of the Moon's penumbral shadow, which includes most of Australia and New Zealand, southernmost South America, and all of Antarctica.

Total Solar Eclipse of 2003 November 23

9 posted on 11/20/2003 6:51:07 AM PST by NYer ("Close your ears to the whisperings of hell and bravely oppose its onslaughts." ---St Clare Assisi)
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To: Dajjal
Thanks, Dajjal, I knew I had seen it!
10 posted on 11/20/2003 6:53:21 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Junior
I don't think we are asked to believe these prophecies, but I do think we can consider them and their relative facts/predictions.
11 posted on 11/20/2003 6:54:48 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Desdemona
I do think there is a lot of symbolism here. Something to consider.
12 posted on 11/20/2003 6:55:55 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer
You are one great research book! LOL!
13 posted on 11/20/2003 6:56:48 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Thought for the Day

Always be faithful to God in keeping the promises made to Him and do not bother about the ridicule of the foolish. Know that the saints were always sneered at by the world and worldlings; and they have trampled and triumphed over the world and its maxims.

 -- Saint Pio of Pietrelcina

14 posted on 11/20/2003 7:21:32 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
Bump! These prophecies always interest me -g-
15 posted on 11/20/2003 8:09:28 AM PST by JustPiper (All 19 of the hijackers entered the U.S. on valid visas- 18 of 19 had State Driver's Licenses!!!)
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To: Dajjal
Have you been following the threads concerning the eclipse's in regards to attacks during Ramadan?
16 posted on 11/20/2003 8:10:57 AM PST by JustPiper (All 19 of the hijackers entered the U.S. on valid visas- 18 of 19 had State Driver's Licenses!!!)
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To: Salvation
Gloria olivae

One cardinal touted as 'papabile' is French Cardinal Lustiger. He is of Jewish descent. Were he to be elected pope, he would fit the Gloria Olivae title perfectly. In his Letter to the Romans, Chapter 11:17-24, Paul describes God's possessors of the Covenant, Abraham's descendants, as a "cultivated olive tree". Gentile Christians are the wild olive branch from a wild olive tree, that has been grafted onto the original cultivated olive tree. Neither one, either Jew or Gentile, is considered better than the other, since Paul says neither group supports the roots. Regardless, if the Holy Father passes away and this French Cardinal or Bishop begins his reign, then we must look twice at St. Malachy's prophecies.


Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger

His mother was burned in the ovens of Auschwitz, yet he converted to Catholicism, rose to the zenith of power in the church, and could become its next leader. Gloria Olivae?

17 posted on 11/20/2003 8:19:02 AM PST by NYer ("Close your ears to the whisperings of hell and bravely oppose its onslaughts." ---St Clare Assisi)
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To: Salvation
There is only one more enumeration in the actual prophecy so some think this means only one more Pope. Or maybe this means we start with another Holy See in a new location.

JP II has certainly had much solar activity during his time.
18 posted on 11/20/2003 8:43:58 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: Salvation
I think the eclipse is the 23/24th but only visble from Antartica.
19 posted on 11/20/2003 8:45:33 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: JustPiper
And this prophecy has been around for a long time!
20 posted on 11/20/2003 8:51:35 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer
**In his Letter to the Romans, Chapter 11:17-24, Paul describes God's possessors of the Covenant, Abraham's descendants, as a "cultivated olive tree". Gentile Christians are the wild olive branch from a wild olive tree, that has been grafted onto the original cultivated olive tree.**

This is definitely an exciting theory. Holy Spirit, you are the guide.
21 posted on 11/20/2003 8:54:06 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Domestic Church
**Or maybe this means we start with another Holy See in a new location.**

Underground church?

Where?
22 posted on 11/20/2003 8:55:12 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: All; NYer; Domestic Church
From another website:

St. Malachy O'Morgair (1095?-1148)

Maelmhaedhoc O’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy) was born in Armagh, Ireland in 1094. In 1148, he died in the arms of St. Bernard of Clairvaux, his biographer.

St. Malachy was reported to have possessed the powers of levitation, healing, and clairvoyance. While on his way to the Vatican to assume the post of papal legate for Ireland, he fell into trance and saw a line of papal reigns stretching from the successor to Innocent II and extending through centuries to the last of the line, identified as Peter of Rome. Malachy assigned short descriptions in Latin to each pope when he committed his vision to paper. These mottoes usually refer to a family name, birthplace, coat-of-arms, or office held before election to the papacy. Some of the phrases are multiple prophecies, written with ingenious word play. For example, Pius II, who reigned for only 26 days in 1503, was aptly described as "De Parvo Homine" (from a little man). His family name was Piccolomini, Italian for "little man."

Sometimes the personal history of the pope plays a part in the motto given by Malachy. Clement XIII (1758-69), who had conenctions with the government of the Italian state of Umbria and whose emblem was a rose, was called by Malachy Rosa Umbriae, the "Rose of Umbria."

The passage of time has proved doubters of St. Malachy wrong, for his prophecies have turned out to be amazingly accurate. He even prophesied the precise date of his own death, and got it right. The prophecies concern the papacy, starting with Pope Celestine II in 1143. In all, 112 popes and their characteristics are listed from 1143 to the "end of the world."

Here are descriptions of the final popes according to Malachy:

Pastor et Nauta/Shepherd and Navigator: John XXIII (1958 -1963), patriarch of Venice (a city full of sailors) led his flock to a modernization of the Church through the Ecumenical Council. John chose two symbols for this Council -- a cross and a ship.

Flors Florum/Flower of Flowers: Paul VI (1963-1978) had a coat-of-arms depicting three fleurs-de-lis.

De Medietate Lunae/From the Half Moon: John Paul I (1978-1978) had the given name of Albino Luciani or "white light." Half-way into his short reign, a lunar eclipse occurred.

De Labore Solis/From the Toil of the Sun [Labore could also be Effort, Distress, Suffering, Trouble, leading to quite a few variations. The preceding is the usual translation.]: John Paul II was born during the solar eclipse of May 18, 1920.

De Gloria Olivae/From the Glory of the Olives: The Order of Saint Benedict has claimed that this pope will come from their ranks. Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil.

Petrus Romanus/Peter of Rome: The Final Pope? "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock among many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people."


23 posted on 11/20/2003 9:01:14 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer
**De Gloria Olivae/From the Glory of the Olives: The Order of Saint Benedict has claimed that this pope will come from their ranks. Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil.**

Another take on the Glory of Olives theory. Is the French Cardinal Lustinger a Benedictine?
24 posted on 11/20/2003 9:03:34 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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The same author tells us that St. Malachy gave his manuscript to Innocent II to console him in the midst of his tribulations, and that the document remained unknown in the Roman Archives until its discovery in 1590 (Cucherat, "Proph. de la succession des papes", ch. xv).

To claim that one merely "found" the manuscript rather than having written it oneself was an almost universal literary device at the time. Consider for example "Don Quixote" which was roughly contemporaneous.

25 posted on 11/20/2003 9:25:27 AM PST by Maximilian
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Which Cardinals are Benedictines?
26 posted on 11/20/2003 9:49:47 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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"I don't think we are asked to believe these prophecies, but I do think we can consider them and their relative facts/predictions."

No doubt. That which has come to pass is no longer prophesy, but history. Many of the once mysterious designations that Saint Malachi assigned to future popes have now been factually related to very personal traits of these Pope's lives, such as birth circumstances, geographical locations, coat-of-arms, obvious personality traits, etc.

The final prophesy seems to be regarding a Pope and a Church which is being badly persecuted. Considering such indicators as the phenominal rise of Islam, atheism, socialism, homosexuality, abortion, divorce, public lewdness, abolition of public prayer and religious expression, sparsely attended Churches, Catholics suing their own Church for money earmarked for charity, excessive media focus on the sins of clergy, well....... this is indeed a major persecution of Christ and His Church. I feel that we are not at all very far from the next stage of persecution, the bloody stage that nobody will be able to deny; not even those "Catholic" ostriches who have chosen to suck sand all day rather than look around themselves and face the sad reality.

27 posted on 11/20/2003 9:53:21 AM PST by TheCrusader
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To: Salvation
Is the French Cardinal Lustinger a Benedictine?

I don't believe so. In taking a closer look at his 'pedigree', I notice that he was born in 1926. That would make him 77 years old ... perhaps not as likely a candidate as we had originally thought.

Keep in mind that Malachy's prophecies are said to have been locked away for four hundred years before they were allegedly discovered in 1590 in the Roman Archives. Arnold de Wyon first published them. The debate has raged ever since as to whether they are forgeries or genuine predictions of St. Malachy.

This topic seems to be a popular one in this forum. Came across this in my search ... lol!

The Prophecies of St. Malachy Posted on 10/14/2001 11:20 AM PDT by Asmodeus

28 posted on 11/20/2003 10:14:56 AM PST by NYer ("Close your ears to the whisperings of hell and bravely oppose its onslaughts." ---St Clare Assisi)
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My opinion, based on the supposed to be, Venice Passage in June next year that will last 7 hours, is that if this event does occurr, it will be called "the woman clothed with the sun" and will be used to unite Hindus, Buddhist, Catholics, New Agers, etc., since they all have in common a woman that is highly venerated, worshipped, diety, or whatever other term you may wish to call it. Time Magazine article states that one of most-heavily visited shrines in the world is the shrine of the Black Madonna, in Czestochowa, Poland. Of course, this Pope, John Paul II, is from Poland. Kathleen O'Hayes, of National Christian Research, states in her tape of the coming global Marion Apparition, that Pope John Paul II considers himself "the slave" of the Black Madonna.
New Age author, Gilles Quispel, who is the Historian Of Religion at Utrecht University. Galland reports, "For Quispel, the Black Madonna plays a crucial psychic role which he described in Jungian terms as symbolizing the earth, matter, the feminine in man, and the self in woman...Unless men and women alike become conscious of this primeval image of the Black Madonna, and integrate it within themselves, humankind will be unable to resolve the problems of materialism, racism, [and] women's liberation...The Black Madonna is the one common denominator among the religions of the world." New World Order was officially started on May 1, 1776, as Jesuit priest, Adam Weishaupt, founded the Masters of the Illuminati.
Another New Age writer, China Galland, a practicing American Buddhist, has written a very revealing book entitled Longing For Darkness. Galland enthusiastically establishes the commonality between the Virgin Mary and other Pagan goddesses. "Durga, the warrior queen...was the only one who could restore harmony and set the world at peace...the gods sang her praises, called her the Queen of the Universe..." Time Magazine reports that one of the names by which the Virgin Mary is known is the Queen of the Universe? Galland continues: "I had come to find the Buddha Tara, but instead I found the goddesses Durgan and Kali...Kali, the death-dealer and life-giver, the end and beginning of time. She was a deity of such proportions as I had heard only God the Father in Christianity described... These two goddesses are Hindu." Galland continues. "...St. Ignatius gave his sword to the Black Madonna of Montserrat in Spain, became a priest, and founded the Jesuit Order...".
History is loaded with examples of civilizations who diefied a woman. A few examples are in Egypt, she was called Athor , Tibet and China, she was called Virgo Deipara, Greece, she was called Hestia, Rome, she was called Juno, or Dove. From this designation, the Dove became the symbol of the "deified queen..commonly represented with an olive branch in her mouth." It is startling to listen to the Jesuit author, Malachi Martin, asserting in his book, The Keys Of This Blood, that now "the Dove is loose, the Dove is loose". Martin clearly believes that Catholicism will prevail in this struggle because of the intervention of the Virgin Mary who will be seen by all major religions as their "diefied queen" and used as a great tool for the establishment of the One World Religion with the soon- to- follow Anti-christ." Concerning Fatima (the Interfaith Shrine), Archbishop Michael J. Fitzgerald, Prefect of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, representatives from the world religions — including Buddhist, Hindu, Islam, Orthodox, Anglican and Catholic — gave testimony to the importance of "sanctuary" in their religious traditions. Later, the Portuguese press published that the aim of this Congress was to establish Fatima as an interfaith Shrine. It is an approach that plays down doctrinal differences in the various religions and emphasizes "what we have in common". Another speaker spoke of Fatima, Mecca and Kyoto in the same breath, thus placing the true Church of Christ on the same level with false creeds; and placing the true revelations of Our Lady of Fatima – an event verified by the Miracle of the Sun before 70,000 people – on the same level with the fables and superstitions of false religions. This is a mockery of the true God and a blasphemy against Our Lady of Fatima.
http://www.fatima.org/sprep111303.htm
http://hem.passagen.se/alkemi/venus-eng.htm


29 posted on 11/20/2003 10:17:16 AM PST by Jimmy Simon
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To: Salvation
for an excellent study on the olive trees.
http://www.aristotle.net/~bhuie/2houses.htm
30 posted on 11/20/2003 10:58:58 AM PST by Jimmy Simon
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To: Salvation; NYer
"De Labore Solis/From the Toil of the Sun"

Also translated under/of the laboring sun. Here's an interesting thread:

Sun Sheds Skin & Flips:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1025845/posts
31 posted on 11/20/2003 12:35:43 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: Jimmy Simon
What the heck is the Venice passage?
32 posted on 11/20/2003 12:38:09 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: Domestic Church
He meant " The Venus Passage"
33 posted on 11/20/2003 4:22:48 PM PST by Telit Likitis
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So he's talking about astrology? And about Popes?
34 posted on 11/20/2003 4:28:57 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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Here's his link,- It's in English.
http://hem.passagen.se/alkemi/venus-eng.htm
35 posted on 11/20/2003 5:09:03 PM PST by Telit Likitis
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The passage of time has proved doubters of St. Malachy wrong, for his prophecies have turned out to be amazingly accurate.
....
Flors Florum/Flower of Flowers: Paul VI (1963-1978) had a coat-of-arms depicting three fleurs-de-lis.

Good heavens! How amazingly accurate! Fleur-de-lis on his coat of arms and the prediction was "flower of flowers" and aren't those exactly the same things! And aren't flowers the very first thing you'd think about in connection with the reign of Pope Paul VI!

/sarcasm off

36 posted on 11/20/2003 5:39:29 PM PST by Dajjal
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You sunned up things quite well there!
37 posted on 11/20/2003 6:01:59 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Thanks, NYer. I did a search on the religion forum but not on the other ones!
38 posted on 11/20/2003 6:03:30 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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I have a book on the prophecies of St.Malachy. Very interesting reading indeed.
(Love the screen name).
39 posted on 11/20/2003 6:12:56 PM PST by southern_living (Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi,miserere nobis)
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To: Telit Likitis
Cosmic Mirrors?
40 posted on 11/20/2003 6:36:17 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG.."Hey Venus...Venus if you will...")
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It really is frightening to read that Mayan stuff and think that some really want to make a mishmash of this with the Fatima Shrine. I'd much rather think of Venus fluff in the context of Frankie Avalon and Annette Funicello.
41 posted on 11/20/2003 6:42:36 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG.."Hey Venus...Venus if you will...")
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Yea, you right. I much better prefer the "mishmash" of Hinduism, Buddhaism, Islam, Anglicans, homosexuals, New Agers, Golden Dawn, etc. with the Black Madonna or the Shrine of Fatima. As long as we leave out the Mayans and the 10 commandments of Exodus 20:3-17 everything will be just fine.
42 posted on 11/20/2003 8:42:18 PM PST by Jimmy Simon
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I think that if we are truly Christians we are looking at this all wrong....true ...not true ...believe...not believe.....What do Christians do when they are not sure of what is correct?????? TURN TO THE BIBLE. So what does the bible say about prophecies. 1. the prophet must say that it is from the LORD.(witch he did by giving it to the Pope)(note: He doesn't have to be Christian to be a true prophet...check the old testament..but he must say it is from The Lord) 2. Prophecy must be told and pass on...(he gave it to the pope) 3. it must come true 100% of the time. Now that may sound simple but he must make a prophecy prior to making a prophecy that has come 100% true. The Prophecy prior must not be ...it will rain tomorrow. It has to be specific and in the future, but it can be multiple Prophecies.

The only part left up to interpretation is the last. I can agree that alot of this is Vega, but at the same time it has come true 100% of the time. now if you do some math and say that there is a 1/14 chance(take a deck of cards and guess one right out of 14 cards) that he would just be guessing right on each one; he would have 110 right out of 110 and the chances would be in the trillions to one. If that is not a proof of prophecy I don't know what is.

He has met all the Criteria by bible standards....He is a prophet. Unlike Nostradamus(can't spell). We don't know if he is or isn't because he never stated outright that this was from the LORD. people believe the lies as much as the truth.

Also he has another person to account for his love of people and the LORD. St. Bernard also tells us of another prophecy that he told that came true....Malchy's own death...Day and Hour. This guy is batting a thousand.(more like trillion)
..always refer back to the bible....2 more Popes left...ARE YOU READY????

Praise the LORD,
Love ya
Joe
43 posted on 02/26/2005 9:04:08 AM PST by Joepaulc (True Prophets according to the bible.)
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BTTT!


44 posted on 02/26/2005 9:10:46 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Joepaulc

Time for all to re-read the Book of Revelation.


45 posted on 02/26/2005 9:13:43 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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"My opinion, based on the supposed to be, Venice Passage in June next year that will last 7 hours, is that if this event does occurr, it will be called "the woman clothed with the sun" and will be used to unite Hindus, Buddhist, Catholics, New Agers, etc., since they all have in common a woman that is highly venerated, worshipped, diety, or whatever other term you may wish to call it."

Gaia Worship?

46 posted on 03/09/2005 7:41:13 AM PST by sageb1
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Lors of information here.


47 posted on 04/01/2005 7:52:54 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: All

Lors of information here.

Lots of information here.


48 posted on 04/01/2005 2:22:08 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Jimmy Simon

Hear, Hear! About time somebody said it. You can exalt Mary all you want. You can exalt any man all you want, prophet or otherwise. But when you worship them &/or place ANYONE (whatever his/her name) in a place equal to God, you commit Idolatry. Hindus, Buddas, and any and all other gods, are false gods, worship of which is worthy of death & hell-fire.


49 posted on 04/03/2005 12:22:21 PM PDT by delanechap
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To: Salvation

My prediction for the papacy: Jose da Cruz Policarpo.

Who for those Malachy subscribers graduated from the Olivais Seminary in Lisbon with a degree in Philosophy and Theology.


50 posted on 04/03/2005 5:26:09 PM PDT by Castro (Moses supposes his toeses are roses...)
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