Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ” ~ An International Hoax

Watch unto Prayer ^ | February 18, 2004 | Barbara Aho

[al_c]

Correct. I've recently had an incresed interest in the stations and I'm currently investigating the history of the stations. Do you have any idea of the history behind this particular station?

[eastsider]

The Incarnation and Redemption are about redeeming the whole flesh.

Bump!

[Texas2step]

Probably the only valid point is that Monica Belluci can be seen naked on the internet (I dont' know this for a fact, but I assume she's not lying about that much). But after all, Belluci is playing Mary Magdalene, and she's a legitimate actress in Europe, not just a porn star as the author claims.

Actually, while there are some pics of Monica on the 'Net, I couldn't find any with anything remotely resembling pornography. Topless, yes. Not even full frontal nudity.

Most of the "naked" pics are screen captures from a couple of her movies. There are a few posed shots, but nothing offensive, or remotely pornographic.

Her whole article is full of lies and distortions. About the only thing she got right were the names of the people.

[editor-surveyor]

"she gotta be liberal..."

Politically, she is quite conservative, for what it's worth.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

The "look" of the film, the aesthetics, cinematography, styling, fashion, etc., are rooted in traditional sacred art, particularly Catholic and Italian Renaissance art. Historically, European art has a different attitude towards nudity than is shared among some extreme sects with iconoclastic leanings. I don't know anything about Monica Bellucci's personal life or beliefs. As a creature of God, she was born naked like the rest of us. The "shame" associated with nudity is a legacy of original sin in the traditional biblical framework.

But this film is not about Monica Bellucci. It's about Christ. He came to redeem and save her nature like everyone else. Our entire bodies will be glorified at the fulfilment of this sacred drama.The Word is made flesh last time I checked the canonical biblical sources.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

"Is"

BigMack

[Texas2step]

Politically, she is quite conservative, for what it's worth.

It ain't worth much if this is the kind of drivel she typically writes. She based her entire premise on two words spoken by a reviewer. Kind of tough to swallow that she hasn't even seen the movie, but she knows exactly what it means. She's got a full blown conspiracy based off of this comment and she's not even seen the movie, for crying out loud.

That's a typical liberal response.

And to label someone a porn star because they've done a few movies that show her breasts? Give me a break! She slanders this women, solely because it fit her agenda.

[Texas2step]

"Is" ?

OK, I'll play along. :-)

"Is Not" ?

[editor-surveyor]

"This is the most erroneous, illogical, rambling piece I've read in a long time."

Nothing she has called attention to is in any way erroneous; where she goes wrong is when she ascribes these things to a conspiracy (headed up by Mel Gibson?) of men. These are not the work of men, but of Satan, but most conspiracy freaks fail to accept that it is impossible to get that kind of cooperation, or broad agreement among men.

If you go through her web site, you will find hundreds of undeniable facts presented as a master conspiracy of men. For this to be true would require a huge and powerful intelligence organization, and an enforcement arm as well. Where are their headquarters? I believe, as I think most here do, that Gibson's intentions are genuine.

[editor-surveyor]

"For our sake, He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended into Hell.
On the third day, He rose again, in fulfillment of the Scriptures."

Amen !!

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

What is your definition of porn?

Becky

[Texas2step]

Ah, that's what this is about...

visual images who's sole purpose is intended to arouse a physiological reaction in those who view it. That's my layman's definition.

From dictionary.com: "Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal."

So, I missed the "writing, or other materials" part.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Why do you think a women would take her clothes off in front of a camera?

Becky

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Mel Gibson, who IS Catholic, has set up an independent chapel in Malibu, California with an ordained CATHOLIC priest to offer the Mass. "Holy Family" is simply the name of his independent parish.

Gee, i wonder if i have to be paranoid about the Holy Family Convent/orphanage that operates in my area?< /sarcasm>

BTW, Randall Wallace, NOT Mel Gibson wrote the screenplay for Braveheart He also wrote the screenplay for Pearl Harbor and We Were Soldiers..., which is remarkably accurate, and follows General Moore's book as closely as possible with cinema. Wallace based Braveheart on a romanticised version of the story titled The Scottish Chiefs, which was not an accurate account of events. The masonic/Templer association with Wallace is just plain nuts, in light of the fact that Templer knights were killed fighting for the English (Spit!) at Falkirk. There is some evidence to suggest Templer presence in Scotland (Templer graves at Killmartin), but even the Masons admit that they can't prove their descent from the knights Templer.

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

The whole article is nothing more than guilt by derived association, where it is even factual. i wonder if the author has considered Hormone Replacement Therapy?

[Just mythoughts]

I am really at a loss at all this clashing back and forth, to and fro.

Who cares what Mel believes. What Mel believes or any other individual, group or church believes, does not change what is written. Looks to me the dye was cast long ago about what would happen as we are told "I have foretold you all things". A follower of Christ should not expect more special treatment then Christ was given, he was innocent and not one before him or after him can claim that.

We are warned about being led astray, that it would happen, and what the price will be for those who do the leading.

Whatever motives of any one individual has for making the film, opposing the film, trashing people about the film seems to be a method of diverting attention from what is in fact written.

Christ asked often "HAVE YOU NOT READ?"

[Texas2step]

Why do you think a women would take her clothes off in front of a camera?

Because it was their job? (Is this a test?)

Do you classify all nudity on film as pornography? I'm just curious.

Would you call any or all of the following "porn stars"?

Jody Foster
Nicole Kidman
Sharon Stone :-)
Liv Tyler
Charlize Theron
Meryl Streep

I could go on...

What's your definition of porn? Movies (well, some of them) portray things that either did or can happen in real life. In real life, all of us take off our clothes from time to time for various asundried reasons. Is there anything wrong with some movies showing this, as long as it's not gratutious or obscene?

[TradicalRC]

I do not know the history of the stations, however, you can find out more about Veronica at this website:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15362a.htm

Good luck and let me know if you find somewhere that has a history of the stations.

[al_c]

Will do. Thanks for the link.

[TradicalRC]

Obscenity may well be in the eye of the beholder, but I would hate to allow such a subjective definition set the standards for decency.

I am an artist and I have come to recognize that one of the most insidious phrases ever perpetrated on the middle class is "tasteful nudity".

Lenny Bruce's famous comment about complaining to the manufacturer if you don't like the human body is disengenuous; the manufacturer also drew the parameters of modesty which we have abandoned in the heady progressive idea that we are now somehow more sophisticated(an interesting word etymologically speaking) and cosmopolitan.

Showed in public what should have been private? Then you have engaged in porneia.