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Mel Gibson: $5 Mil to Fringe Church (FOX attacks "antiquated Catholic ideology")
FOX ^ | Friday, February 20, 2004 | By Roger Friedman

Posted on 02/20/2004 5:46:17 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

Mel Gibson's put his money where his mouth is. By now everyone in the world knows he's spent $25 million to make "The Passion of the Christ" and promised nearly $25M more to market it.

But what you may not know is that Gibson has also put up $5.1 million so far to run his own personal church near Malibu.

Last year Christopher Noxon wrote in The New York Times that Gibson had donated $2.3 million to make Holy Family Catholic Church in Agoura Hills, California a reality. Holy Family rejects the universally accepted teachings of the Second Vatican Conference and chooses to stick with antiquated Catholic ideology.

Bu it turns out that Gibson has donated a little more than twice that amount to Holy Family since 1999, according to federal tax filings. And that's not counting 2003, since the most recent report has not yet been filed.

Gibson and his wife Robyn are listed in federal tax records as directors of the Holy Family Catholic Church. The church is run out of Gibson's Icon Production company offices, with an Icon employee responsible for keeping the church's books.

The Gibsons' tax-free donations to Holy Family are made possible by a charity they established called the AP Reilly Foundation, which is named for Mel's late mother. The foundation was created on October 29, 1999 for the sole purpose of creating the church.

The church, by the way, has an unlisted phone number, keeps its address a secret and has asked those who have the information not to release it.

Gibson is no stranger to controversy when it comes to voicing his opinion about his religious beliefs. In a 1992 interview with the Spanish magazine El Pais, his comments about homosexuals — which cannot be printed here — caused an international stir.

In the same interview Gibson talked about the fact that his brand of Traditionalist Catholics did not subscribe to the Second Vatican Council's 1965 rulings on various subjects including who was responsible for the death of Jesus Christ.

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When did calling someone's religion "antiquated" and "fringe" become "fair and balanced"?

This Roger Friedman has got to go.

1 posted on 02/20/2004 5:46:17 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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2 posted on 02/20/2004 5:48:27 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
To the liberals, any church that insists on using the bible is "antiquated" and "fringe".
3 posted on 02/20/2004 5:50:13 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Apparently, he's quite the liar too... Amazing that one movie about Christ among all the vile garbage that Hollywood and the networks produce can cause some folks to lose it.
4 posted on 02/20/2004 5:50:26 AM PST by Brian Mosely
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Holy Family rejects the universally accepted teachings

Perhaps "widely accepted" would have been a better phrase.

And when will Islam or wahhabism be spoken of with such disdain? "This primitive, backward, and bloodthirsty variant of Islam is quite popular among the leaders of our so-called ally Saudi Arabia." You don't see it often put like that. But I guess its OK to badmouth Christian tradition.

5 posted on 02/20/2004 5:51:24 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The only reason I don't question Kerry's patriotism is because I know it doesn't exist.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Faux Skews.
6 posted on 02/20/2004 5:51:41 AM PST by Guillermo (It's tough being a Miami Dolphins fan)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
You are right he has to go, but there are better reasons than his use of 'antiquated' and 'fringe,' which I think apply in this case, though the word use is more prejudicial than insightful. Nope, the author is a pretty poor writer...

Holy Family rejects the universally accepted teachings of the Second Vatican Conference and chooses to stick with antiquated Catholic ideology.

How could the teachings of Vatican 2 be 'universally accepted' if in the same sentence he says that this church in particular rejects some of those teachings? It can't be 'universally accepted' if one group doesn't accept them. This reads like a sentence in a first draft of a high school newspaper article, which a smart faculty supervisor or senior class editor would fix.

I think the quality in writing on balance in the major media outlets has really plummeted in the last 20 years or so. On the other hand, the writers are the best and brightest ever - they have told me so. ;-)

7 posted on 02/20/2004 5:52:49 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
When did calling someone's religion "antiquated" and "fringe" become "fair and balanced"?

Technically, Gibson's church is "fringe," since it is not in union with the Los Angeles archdiocese and is outside the Catholic mainstream.

8 posted on 02/20/2004 5:52:54 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: HitmanNY
How could the teachings of Vatican 2 be 'universally accepted' if in the same sentence he says that this church in particular rejects some of those teachings? It can't be 'universally accepted' if one group doesn't accept them.

They ARE universally accepted within the Catholic Church.

Gibson's chapel is not in union with the Catholic Church and Rome.

9 posted on 02/20/2004 5:55:13 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Mel Gibson is a public figure on his personal crusade to make a monumental religious movie. His life is open to scrutiny. He is a movie star, a director, and now a prominent religious figure.
10 posted on 02/20/2004 5:55:52 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
write the slut-fest promoters at fox:

foxlife@foxnews.com

...fringe church...
...his own personal church near Malibu...
...antiquated Catholic ideology...

I am not one of those religious "nuts" but I am truly believing that the Book of Revelations is in the final process
11 posted on 02/20/2004 5:56:56 AM PST by steplock
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To: sinkspur
I am aware of that, but it's still unfair to say the teachings are 'universally accepted.' This guy is trying to hot dog it and a good editor would have changed the wording, at least if I was his editor! :-)
12 posted on 02/20/2004 5:57:24 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I don't know about Gibson's church but his rendition of the crucifixion and resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ is bound to be criticized as "antiquated". After all, it happened 2,000 years ago.
13 posted on 02/20/2004 5:57:53 AM PST by laconic
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Never mind the Holy Family is a wonderful tax shelter too.

Of course Gibson is free to believe whatever it is that he chooses, despite the teachings of the Pope.

Never mind that his father only days ago referred to this Pope as an a$$.........

Flame away because it's clear that those who revere Gibson are keepers of the only true thoughts about the matter.

14 posted on 02/20/2004 6:00:18 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: af_vet_1981
Mel Gibson is a public figure on his personal crusade to make a monumental religious movie. His life is open to scrutiny.

It's one thing to attack Gibson's behavior. It's another to cast aspersions on a religion.

I believe that less than five percent of Americans are Jewish. Is that a "fringe" religion too, now? How about Buddists? Or the Mennonites? Or the Mormons? Are the "antiquated" religions?

Scrutinize Gibson for shady business dealings or intemperate statements (if they, in fact, exist). But don't single out a religion for attack.

15 posted on 02/20/2004 6:01:16 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
They hate Christians, specially the ones that are not Christian in name only. If you take your Christianity seriously, you become a target, especially in a godless town like Hollywood.
16 posted on 02/20/2004 6:02:18 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I'm not Catholic, but my roots are Irish Cathloic, as are my husband's. During family get togethers, my Catholic relations frequently express anger over the Vatican II changes. I have to think this must be a common opinion among mainline Catholics.
17 posted on 02/20/2004 6:03:03 AM PST by keats5 (And don't you dare correct my spelling!)
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To: sinkspur
Is ABORTION "universally rejected" by members of the Catholic Church?
18 posted on 02/20/2004 6:04:07 AM PST by leprechaun9 (Beware of little expenses because a small leak will sink a great ship!)
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To: sinkspur
It would be interesting to find out how well attended this church is, and if it is considered a "Conservative Catholic" church. (whatever that might be) I mention this, because a few years ago, all churches that had a much more conservative, read "traditional" approach to services were seeing a marked increase in membership, whereas the more liberal churches were losing membership.
19 posted on 02/20/2004 6:06:01 AM PST by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
This has now gone beyond absurd. Liberals commonly uses churches to hold political fundraisers which is illegal.

What evil the media has become to suggest Mel's money is funding evil.

The media ignores liberals taking "red Chinese" money to fund their campaigns.

I am not Catholic, however, this assault upon Mel's freedom of religion should show what Christians are up against.
Liberals and their mouth pieces have gone "MAD" no big deal about in your face law breaking among the perverts of the world selling fake papers in San Francisco.
20 posted on 02/20/2004 6:08:14 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
None of this will hurt the box office of the movie.
21 posted on 02/20/2004 6:08:59 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("Bush wakes up every morning thinking about how to take the war to the terrorists." -- C. Hitchens)
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To: stylin_geek
It would be interesting to find out how well attended this church is, and if it is considered a "Conservative Catholic" church.

Gibson's chapel has 70 members and attendance is by invitation only.

That's an "exclusive" church.

22 posted on 02/20/2004 6:09:16 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"But what you may not know is that Gibson has also put up $5.1 million so far to run his own personal church near Malibu."

Ever heard of tithing? Apparently Mel Gibson has:

Malachi 3:8-12

8. "Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing Me! But you say, 'How have we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings.
9. "You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing Me, the whole nation of you!
10."Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this," says the LORD of hosts, "if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows.
11. "Then I will rebuke the devourer for you, so that it will not destroy the fruits of the ground; nor will your vine in the field cast its grapes," says the LORD of hosts.
12."All the nations will call you blessed, for you shall be a delightful land," says the LORD of hosts.

23 posted on 02/20/2004 6:10:16 AM PST by KriegerGeist ("The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty though God for pulling down of strongholds")
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To: Barnacle; Happy2BMe
ping.
24 posted on 02/20/2004 6:11:37 AM PST by KriegerGeist ("The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty though God for pulling down of strongholds")
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To: OldFriend
Tax shelter? He gives $5 million away so that he gets to pay $2 million less in taxes? Boy, WHAT A DEAL!

And who really care WHAT Mel's father says? Are YOU responsible for what your father says and does?

And, yes, Mel is free too read the bible and try to discover it's wisdom all by himself.
25 posted on 02/20/2004 6:11:39 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: sinkspur
Well, then toss out my observation in regards to his church. I still plan on seeing the film, though.
26 posted on 02/20/2004 6:11:58 AM PST by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: leprechaun9
Abortion is rejected by the Catholic Church.

No one in the Catholic Church is empowered to build his own chapels or separate himself from the Pope, which Gibson has done.

27 posted on 02/20/2004 6:12:49 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Geist Krieger
The Left hates rich people who hoard their money and do not give to "worthy causes". The only thing worse, is a rich man who gives money to the Church.
28 posted on 02/20/2004 6:13:39 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The only reason I don't question Kerry's patriotism is because I know it doesn't exist.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
It's one thing to attack Gibson's behavior. It's another to cast aspersions on a religion.

I'm rebuking Hutton Gibson's Holocaust Denial and antisemitism. I'm criticizing Mel Gibson for not rebuking and correcting him.

I believe that less than five percent of Americans are Jewish. Is that a "fringe" religion too, now?

You tell me. Tell me what you really believe about the Jews. Share your deepest feelings. Get it all out.

How about Buddists? Or the Mennonites? Or the Mormons? Are the "antiquated" religions?

You tell me. Share your pain.

Scrutinize Gibson for shady business dealings or intemperate statements (if they, in fact, exist).

"Intemperate statements" ? ...
A denial
A denial
A denial

But don't single out a religion for attack.

I don't consider Holocaust Denial and Antisemitism to be a religion but if it were I would single it out for attack.

29 posted on 02/20/2004 6:14:29 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: keats5
I'm not Catholic, but my roots are Irish Cathloic, as are my husband's. During family get togethers, my Catholic relations frequently express anger over the Vatican II changes. I have to think this must be a common opinion among mainline Catholics.

It is not common among mainline Catholics to reject Vatican II. Those who do reject it likely number less than 5% of active Catholics.

30 posted on 02/20/2004 6:15:06 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Only a few months ago they said that Arnold Schwarzenegger father was a Nazi; now they are saying the same thing about Mel Gibson's father. The label Nazi is so handy, they dispense of it so freely, and without any merit to any one that they are trying to destroy. Unfortunately, many idiots in our country believe these defamations. How many big Hollywood Christian actor and actress came out in public and declared that they will go to see Mel Gibson’s movie? Very few! The reason is simple they are being intimidated. Here we have majority Christian country scared sh*tless from a minority godless Hollyweird. The reason of these godless idiots are very effective is simple, they are relentless in pursuing their enemy. If some organization on the Christian side would keep list of Mel Gibson antagonists, and demand boycotting their work, they would learn very fast not mess with the Christians.
31 posted on 02/20/2004 6:15:52 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: stylin_geek
It would be more interesteg to hear if sinspur regards the National and World Council of churches, the final authority on what is or what is not a authenticated church.
32 posted on 02/20/2004 6:17:19 AM PST by chachacha
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To: af_vet_1981
You call this scrutiny.

No this is ACCUSERS assaulting a individual's "FREEDOM" of religion.

Funny how sensitive some are about their religion and want those they "HATE" destroyed.
33 posted on 02/20/2004 6:18:20 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Nothing is more subversive than Jesus Christ and His truth. In fact, nothing is more subversive than truth.

This has always been the case, and it is today.

Nothing incites people to fury more than the subversion of their illusions--especially when they are subverted by confrontation with truth. People will kill to prevent truth from threatening their illusions.

Notice how "Liberals" recoil in horror and anger when faced with truth.

Present the truth, and you could well find yourself crucified.

34 posted on 02/20/2004 6:19:14 AM PST by Savage Beast (Whom will the terrorists vote for? Not George W. Bush--that's for sure! ~Happy2BMe)
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To: af_vet_1981
You tell me. Tell me what you really believe about the Jews. Share your deepest feelings. Get it all out.

Uh....I hate to break this to you,since you're obviously looking for an excuse to call me an anti-Semite, but I'm in a mixed marriage.... my wife is Jewish. My kids are Jewish. Bar Mitzvahs and the whole deal.

We celebrate Christmas and Hannukkah in December, Easter and Passover in the Spring and Rosh Hashannah in the fall.

We both are looking forward to seeing this film because we think it will be a great piece of cinema.

Neither of us approve of bashing a religion as "antiquated" or "fringe" just because we disagree with it.

I'm simply noting that calling a small, or unpopular, religion "fringe" or "antiquated" in a major news outlet potentially opens the door to casting other such religions in a negative light.

35 posted on 02/20/2004 6:24:18 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: sinkspur
They ARE universally accepted within the Catholic Church.
Gibson's chapel is not in union with the Catholic Church and Rome.

Actually that is not quite correct.

Extract from a reply written on May 3,1994 by Cardinal Edward Casssidy, President of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity,to an inquiry about the status of the Society of St.Pius X "... Regarding your inquiry (March 25, 1994) I would point out at once that the Directory on Ecumenism is not concerned with the Society of St. Pius X. The situation of the members of this Society is an internal matter of the Catholic Church. The Society is not another Church or Ecclesial Community in the meaning used in the Directory. Of course the Mass and Sacraments administered by the priests of the Society are valid. The Bishops are validly, but not lawfully, consecrated.... I hope this answers your letter satisfactorily."

Hence, Widely accepted would be more correct, than Universally.

And as to choosing between VII and SSPX....

Better to be a schismatic, than a heretic.

36 posted on 02/20/2004 6:25:42 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: sinkspur
Gibson's chapel is not in union with the Catholic Church and Rome.

Do you have evidence of this? I have seen Mel's theology/church referred to as "rejecting the reforms of VII and denying the authority of the Pope", but this seems to always be third-party hearsay. One can attend Latin indult masses and be skeptical of the manner in which VII is implemented, while still recognizing VII's authority and Papal authority in general as I do and remain in perfect union with Rome. I consider myself an Orthodox Traditionalist Catholic - I don't know if this is where Mel stands or if he has thrown his hat in with the Lefebvre gang.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but this is an important distinction and I have never seen it directly addressed by Mel.

38 posted on 02/20/2004 6:27:57 AM PST by Lonely NY Conservative
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To: OldFriend
The current pope is an a$$. He gambled the Vatican on the Solidarity movement in Poland and fortunately he won. There are others who were not so worthy, the Cubans, the Iraqis, the Chinese, the Nicaraguans, and several groups on the African continent. I don't recall hearing his voice reaching to the heavens, much to the contrary.
Initiating the canonization of Mother Theresa? That's not too controversial of a position. She's not quite cold yet.
Change Direction - Vatican II was an attempt to make more palatable. It failed miserably. People want to know there is one core on which to depend, Vatican II took that away from them as well.
39 posted on 02/20/2004 6:28:10 AM PST by olde north church (American's aren't more violent, we're just better shots!!!)
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To: sinkspur
Gibson's chapel has 70 members and attendance is by invitation only. That's an "exclusive" church.

I imagine that if he didn't do this, he would have to contend with groupies showing up there just to get a glimpse of him and possibly disrupting the service.

40 posted on 02/20/2004 6:28:47 AM PST by westerfield
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To: GreatEconomy
FYI, Mennonites believe a mainstream (as it was taught 100 years ago) doctrine. They just live stricter.

I was speaking rhetorically about the idea that one can feel justified attacking a religion simply because it might not have as many adherants as some others and might not be considered "modern" by some.

42 posted on 02/20/2004 6:32:11 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: sinkspur
Maybe Gibson is just rejecting the concept of covering up for a bunch of homosexual priests molesting kids, and decided to set up his own church and not allow that.
43 posted on 02/20/2004 6:33:36 AM PST by raptor29
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To: Lonely NY Conservative
"But I do not believe in the Church as an institution." ....Gibson's objections to the post-Vatican II church echo those of the members of the Society of St. Pius X, which broke away from Rome partially because of the abandonment of the Tridentine liturgy.
Newsmax.

The actor does not hide his disdain for the Catholic Church. In a January 2003 interview with Time, he condemns Vatican II, saying it “corrupted the institution of the church. Look at the main fruits: dwindling numbers and pedophilia." The 40-year gap between the colloquium and the current scandal is conveniently not addressed
American Daily.

Gibson is not in union with Rome, though he will not come out and say so.

44 posted on 02/20/2004 6:36:39 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
Before long they'll be calling it a 'compound' and the FBI will burn the place to the ground.

L

45 posted on 02/20/2004 6:38:04 AM PST by Lurker (Don't bite the hand that meads you.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Gibson has also put up $5.1 million so far to run his own personal church near Malibu.

And if the church was the Celebration of the Divinity of Celebrity Belly-Button Lint, they'd be kissing his butt.

It's amazing how the media crucifies people that don't share their ideology!

46 posted on 02/20/2004 6:38:28 AM PST by MamaTexan (I’m becoming highly intolerant of tolerance!)
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To: olde north church
Change Direction - Vatican II was an attempt to make more palatable. It failed miserably. People want to know there is one core on which to depend, Vatican II took that away from them as well.

That's your opinion. IMO, Vatican II was necessary to remove the "fortress mentality" that surrounded the Church prior to 1962.

47 posted on 02/20/2004 6:39:35 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
Gibson's chapel is not in union with the Catholic Church and Rome

I think the most important thing is that Gibson's chapel needs to be in union with God and the Bible. If it is, then there is no problem.

48 posted on 02/20/2004 6:40:01 AM PST by jtminton (2Timothy 4:2)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Vatican II did almost as much to fracture the Catholic Church as the Reformation did. It led to large numbers of Catholics leaving the Church, and encouraged radicalism in countries like the U.S. where rogue priests and bishops took it as a signal to allow them to tread the paths of heresy.

A Church is more than a belief system. Its also a continuity of traditions and various symbolic trappings. Vatican II eviscerated all these from the Catholic Church and Catholics even today are impacted by it.

The church needed to update its image. Treating other Christians and Jews like second class human beings was one of the things which needed to go. But ripping out altar rails, removing religious statues, turning around the altar, introducing "profane" music to services, and ending the Latin and the Tridentine Mass, destroyed a lot of the majesty of that faith.

I still feel a little unconfortable about Gibson and his feelings towards non-Catholic Christians and Jews. I keep vacillating between thinking he is being unjustly tarred and feathered, and believeing he is a closet anti-Semite.

I imagine time will eventually reveal where he really stands.

Modern day Prostant Churches are not immune from religious revisionism. While the Catholic Church has problems resulting from the points enumerated above, many main stream Protestant Churches have also strayed into the uncharted waters of heresy.

The "Good News" Bibles are atrocious. The "Good News" wording can't compare with the majesty of the King James Bible, and it seems to me that great liberties have been taken with these revised versions with respect to actual content. Sure, the wording in King James is archaic. but its still ENGLISH. If you're too lazy to take the time to check out the meanings of the few archaic terms which can't be inferred from context, you're probably too lazy to care much about your beliefs one way or the other.

The Catholic CHurch has been plagued by homosexual paedophilic priests. Some Protestant Churches actually have ordained these creatures, and performed "marriages" between them. A lot of Protestant Churches have strayed from using the Bible as the primary source of their faith - one of the main inducements for the Reformation in the first place.

Organized Christian Religions are in a sad state and the impending threat of Islam and Islamofacism, along with the atheization of American society bodes ill for the Christian faith.
49 posted on 02/20/2004 6:40:51 AM PST by ZULU (GOD BLESS SENATOR McCARTHY!!!!)
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To: Lonely NY Conservative
Gibson's chapel is not in union with the Catholic Church and Rome.
Do you have evidence of this?

He's wrong. The practice is frowned upon, but hardly outlawed. See 36.

50 posted on 02/20/2004 6:41:16 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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