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A Freeper Review of The Passion of Christ
Vanity | 2/21/04 | John Fields

Posted on 02/21/2004 3:50:43 PM PST by jonboy

I'm not sure where to start. I'm a fellow Freeper who also happens to be minister. I was invited today to see a screening of the Passion of the Christ at our local theater. I have been fascinated, and you might even be able to say obsessed with this movie ever since I heard about it a few months ago and first saw the trailer (I cried every time I saw it).

Given that I have watched and listened to several interviews and read several news stories about this movie I was as prepared as I thought I could be to watch it. I HAVE NEVER BEEN THROUGH ANYTHING LIKE THIS MOVIE! I sobbed, I throbbed, my Kleenex became a fairly useless mess that occupied the hand not tightly gripping the seat. IT WAS HARD TO WATCH. The cruelty was overwhelming, but approximated what we have a glimpse from in scripture. The violence and horror of what was done to Him nearly overwhelming, but not gratuitous as some have claimed.

As to the charges of anti-semitism, I can understand how a Jew who does not believe that Jesus is their Messiah would be frightened by this film. However, it was NOT anti-semitic. I could just as easily be moved to be against Italians for what the Romans did as I could be against the Jews. If one were inspired to hate the perpetrators if this event, they would be anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, anti-Arab, anti-Japanese, and anti-__________ (fill in your own blanks). I was filled with the grim overwhelming knowledge of my own guilt as much as anything else. As I watched Him writhing in pain, the ribs virtually exposed from the beating that He had taken, as I watched His shoulder ripped out of socket as they stretched his hand to make it to the pre-drilled nail hole, as I watched the blood flowing and the breath ripped from His body from the pain, one thing entered into my mind above all else. I PUT HIM THERE! He could have come down, He could have called in excess of ten-thousand angels. He could have stopped that horrible mockery and evil in its tracks by coming down off of that cross, healing His own wounds, and then saying go to it boys as He releases the angels to take care of business. BUT HE DIDN'T. I am in awe.

I admit that I has moments when I felt like ripping the Jewish and Roman perpetrators apart. How dare they laugh in the face of such agony! How dare they spit on Him! How dare they stand in pompous, arrogant, self-righteous judgment of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords (how dare MYSELF go on sinning after what He did for me)! But as the High Priest is walking away from making fun and mocking. He hears Jesus softly say, taking up precious breath, "Father forgive them, they don't know what they are doing." The High Priest pauses in uncomfortable silence, then walks on. Later, after Jesus has died and the earthquake has damaged the temple and they are very aware that they have done something terribly wrong the High Priest is seen crying out and holding his face in grief and horror.

This movie was about love and forgiveness and about our sin and what God and His Son did together about that sin. It is about the horrible things that men do to their fellow men which can still be forgiven if they will but repent. Some of the Jews were depraved and some were compassionate. Some of the Romans were depraved, and some of them were inclined towards compassion. Anti-Jewish? NO WAY! Besides, the early church was exlusively Jewish. The movie is not about Mel Gibson having some kind of point to prove to anyone, let alone the Jews. It was Mel's passion, a labor of love. Will it profit Him? Unbelievably! Did he do it for the money, not a chance.

Were there any liberties taken with the scripture? Maybe a few. Poetic/artistic license was taken to a degree. There were some scenes with Judas that were extra Biblical, but imaginable. Surprisingly, he was shown as a somewhat sympathetic character, which is something I've felt to a degree for him. I doubt that he was a completely depraved man, he just wanted to speed things along so that Jesus would have to rise to the throne and have to take His true place. When he realized he had been horribly mis-lead he admitted guilt but then went out and killed himself. There was a scene in which the unrepentant thief had his eyes pecked out by a crow. I thought that didn't gel well with the theme of forgiveness and should have been left out. It seemed to represent Divine retribution since the thief had just been blaspheming Jesus. But the cross wasn't about retribution, that will come later at Judgment, it was about mercy.

As to this movie being appropriate for children? That's a hard call. I think it would be best if conscientous parents screened it for themselves first. It is hard enough for mature adults to stomach. However, there is something to be said for exposing young tender hearts to the truth of what He did. Maybe knowing what He did at a younger age would lead to more mature Christians later. Again, it's an individual call.

Is this movie Catholic? Yes and no. Those who see the relationship between Jesus and Mary who are Catholic will likely see Mary as divine. Those of us who believe that Mary was a mere woman who was blessed enough to have been chosen to be the mother of the Christ will see the relationship between a mother and her Son. THIS MOVIE IS FOR ALL!!! I can wholeheartedly recommend this movie to others for personal devotion or to touch the hearts of those who are lost. I believe very much that it will be a culturally defining movie and that it will break most IF NOT ALL of the box office records both nationally and world-wide. The Lord will not be silenced. I truly feel He has spoken through this movie. Maybe its His way of saying WAKE UP before He comes again. If it is, this Christian is awake (wiping away tears).


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To: Ohioan from Florida
I have heard that analogy and it is a good one.
101 posted on 02/21/2004 6:01:41 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: TheGeezer
Do you ever ask anyone for prayer? It's the same thing. God bless.

Yeah, but Mary is physically dead. How can one ask a dead person to pray for them?

102 posted on 02/21/2004 6:03:30 PM PST by madison10
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To: jonboy
bump
103 posted on 02/21/2004 6:04:15 PM PST by N8VTXNinWV
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Now try to explain the triune God. ; *)

OK if I bring my wife in off the bench as a pinch hitter? :-}

104 posted on 02/21/2004 6:04:55 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jonboy; Northern Yankee; barbcsr; Uncle Jaque; DallasMike; karenbarinka; dakine; lonevoice; ...
Ping! An awesome early review by fellow FReeper and minister, jonboy, who has just seen The Passion of the Christ.

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105 posted on 02/21/2004 6:06:34 PM PST by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: jwalsh07
LOL !!!
106 posted on 02/21/2004 6:06:47 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: madison10
Physically dead, yes. But her immortal soul lives on. Besides, Mary's body was taken into heaven at her death. As the Orthodox Church teaches, she fell asleep and Jesus called her away into eternal joy. Both the Catholic and Orthodox Church refer to this as the Dormition of Mary or the Assumption of Mary into heaven. The mother of God is very much alive in heaven.

Regards.
107 posted on 02/21/2004 6:07:34 PM PST by TheGeezer (If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)
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To: madison10
Catholics do not believe that Mary died. She was taken up to heaven body and soul. Her bones were never found. The apostles were very close to her, after Jesus died and rose and ascended to Heaven. When it was at the end of Mary's days on earth, her body disappeared. There have never been any remains of Mary found to be buried. And I guarantee that the apostles would have buried her according to Jewish law.
108 posted on 02/21/2004 6:08:25 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: formerDem; Dr. Scarpetta
Ping for a FReeper review of The Passion of the Christ
109 posted on 02/21/2004 6:11:26 PM PST by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
So are you saying that Mary was taken up into Heaven like Enoch or Elijah? I still don't get why she is an intercessor when Jesus would do just fine.
110 posted on 02/21/2004 6:13:24 PM PST by madison10
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To: VOA
Tomorrow on PAX at 8:00 pm central, will be a special on the making of this movie.

Reposted and "bolded" for publicity!     Excellent idea VOA!
111 posted on 02/21/2004 6:13:28 PM PST by GirlShortstop (..)
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To: jonboy
Thank you for your review of the movie! I have been looking forward to it for close to a year. I expect that I will be mortified by watching it, but I imagine ever more humbled by His sacrifice for me.
112 posted on 02/21/2004 6:14:57 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: captain_dave
"What I'm looking forward to is hearing what Aramaic sounds like."

Me too, actually. I wonder if the authentic pronounciation can be known for certain, today? Anyway, I feel a duty to support this film by going to see it, but I am nervous about watching the sustained violence.

113 posted on 02/21/2004 6:15:38 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: LisaMalia
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PAX = Channel 30, owned by NBC

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114 posted on 02/21/2004 6:17:33 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: jonboy; Ohioan from Florida
The review is excellent. Not sure if I can handle "being there."

Ohioan, I'm not trying to be mean, I'm truly curious.
115 posted on 02/21/2004 6:19:31 PM PST by madison10
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To: madison10
Yes, similar to Enoch and Elijah. Jesus is a fine intercessor. Nothing wrong with Him. But we are also taught that Mary is the Mother of the Church , and as a mother she holds a special place in Christ's heart. She is another intercessor that we are allowed to ask for help. She is not a direct line, to be sure, but she has more weight with Jesus than if I ask my friends to pray for me, because of her special and unique relationship to her Son.
116 posted on 02/21/2004 6:20:15 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: madison10
I still don't get why she is an intercessor when Jesus would do just fine.

Well, she is an intercessor but there is only one Mediator and that is the Lord Jesus. Only Jesus had both divine and human nature.

Have you ever asked anybody to pray for you or somebody you loved?

117 posted on 02/21/2004 6:22:21 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: madison10
I myself have asked the same questions you're asking. I understand you mean no harm. I also have questions about the faith of the Jewish people, since they are our elders in the faith. Questions can be very good! And FWIW, I know I'm not some final authority on this. I'm sure there are others who can answer as well or better than I.
118 posted on 02/21/2004 6:24:28 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: jwalsh07
Sure, I've asked people at church to pray, but they have skin on. ;)

I guess I'm wondering this: if you can ask Mary to be an intercessor, why not King David who held a special place in God's heart? Where does it say Mary can help pray for us? I can see why it would be comforting to believe she would.
119 posted on 02/21/2004 6:27:06 PM PST by madison10
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To: jwalsh07
Well, she is an intercessor but there is only one Mediator and that is the Lord Jesus. Only Jesus had both divine and human nature.

Mediator. That's the word! TY!

120 posted on 02/21/2004 6:27:21 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: savedbygrace; padfoot_lover
Do you pray, "Hail Mary, full of grace...."
If so, and you don't consider Mary to be divine...


sbg, are you opposed to understanding Catholicism?   The truth of the matter can be found with very little effort.  FReegards.
"And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed [art] thou among women, and blessed [is] the fruit of thy womb. And whence [is] this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. And blessed [is] she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord. And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For He hath regarded the low estate of His handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For He that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy [is] His name." - Luke 1:41-49
Catholics properly venerate the Mother of God.
"All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship."515  The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration."516  The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an "epitome of the whole Gospel," express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.517  Catholic Catechism
"There are not many people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church, but thousands of people who hate what they mistakenly believe the Catholic Church to be."
Bishop Fulton J. Sheen


121 posted on 02/21/2004 6:29:45 PM PST by GirlShortstop (..)
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To: jonboy
Thank you for your review.
122 posted on 02/21/2004 6:29:46 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: madison10
Where does it say Mary can help pray for us?

In the Catholic Catechism. LOL

On a more serious note there is scripture supporting intercessors in heaven. I'd be happy to find some if you'd like. In fact:

In Revelation, John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8).

123 posted on 02/21/2004 6:31:09 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: savedbygrace
Do you pray, "Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen."?

I pray that prayer every day, in imitation of the Angel Gabriel and St. Elizabeth. I guess they were necromancers too. ;)

124 posted on 02/21/2004 6:31:12 PM PST by Clintons a commie
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To: aruanan
Got a degree in the Liberal Arts, huh?
WWJD was a simple reminder to Christians to ask themselves: What would Jesus do?
It is possible that overanalysis of simple concepts leads to insanity.
Or excessive tinfoil consumption.
Think about it.LOL!
125 posted on 02/21/2004 6:31:58 PM PST by sarasmom (Hanoi Jane admires John F*ing Kerry's military service in Vietnam=things that make you go hmmmm)
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To: madison10
Does it say anywhere that she can't help pray for us? Besides, Mary would never do anything that wasn't in God's will. It sort of like the miracle at Cana. She saw that something was wrong, and she asked Jesus to do something about it. It's like that with us. She loves us, too.
126 posted on 02/21/2004 6:32:38 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
YW!
127 posted on 02/21/2004 6:32:46 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: madison10
Yeah, but Mary is physically dead. How can one ask a dead person to pray for them?

have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

128 posted on 02/21/2004 6:34:02 PM PST by Clintons a commie
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To: GirlShortstop
Bishop Sheen was a wise man.
129 posted on 02/21/2004 6:35:34 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: jonboy
Thank you for the heartfelt and intelligent analysis of the film. One of your best lines:

"....I could just as easily be moved to be against Italians for what the Romans did as I could be against the Jews...."

Kind of puts all this ginned up manic hysteria over the supposed anti-semitic leanings of the film in perspective doesn't it.

Thanks again.

130 posted on 02/21/2004 6:37:11 PM PST by DoctorMichael (Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it.)
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To: jonboy
"...healing His own wounds, and then saying go to it boys as He releases the angels to take care of business."

Heh, nice visual image there :)

131 posted on 02/21/2004 6:37:30 PM PST by Windsong
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To: Ohioan from Florida
She was taken up to heaven body and soul.

And the verse in the Bible that states this is....?

132 posted on 02/21/2004 6:38:25 PM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: madison10
Yeah, but Mary is physically dead. How can one ask a dead person to pray for them?

The same way you can ask a living person to pray for you. Like the Bible verse says, "Just as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."

133 posted on 02/21/2004 6:39:25 PM PST by wimpycat ("Black holes are where God divided by zero.")
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To: madison10
If you don't get the Mary as intercessor thing why bother to try. You don't need to. And, those of us who do owe you no explanation. No offense meant.
134 posted on 02/21/2004 6:40:00 PM PST by wtc911 (I got the motive which is money and the body which is dead.)
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To: LisaMalia
Are you subscribing to cable or satellite

PAX is on:

DirecTV channel 255

Dish Network channel 181

Cable TV channel varies

135 posted on 02/21/2004 6:41:23 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: mollynme
It is not stated in the Bible. But not everything that Christians believe is stated explicitly in the Bible. All that is necessary for our salvation, yes, but not everything that happened.
136 posted on 02/21/2004 6:42:44 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
I have Adelphia digital.
137 posted on 02/21/2004 6:43:01 PM PST by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W. Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: Senator Pardek
HAH! Everything is on channel 4 for me.
138 posted on 02/21/2004 6:43:11 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Libloather; ladylib
"I've chatted with three VERY Christian women who don't know if they can make it through the whole film - and, more than likely, won't go to see it."

"My mother is a devout Catholic (mass every day) and she said she won't see it. I think it's the violence."

I admire these women for their decisions and I think they are very wise to have thought this through before rushing off to see the movie. I have been concerned by what I consider to be somewhat shallow, rah-rah attitudes from many who are anxious to "show their support" for this film. From all that I have read, it is not going to be a walk through the park.......rather, it's going to be a profoundly disturbing portrayal of the brutality that Jesus suffered. I intend to thoroughly prepare myself before going to see this movie, and I sincerely hope that others will do the same. I think one of the worst things that could happen to this film would be for Christians to unthinkingly flock to it simply to "show their support" and then wind up fleeing the theater and criticizing the film as being "too violent."

139 posted on 02/21/2004 6:43:27 PM PST by freedox
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To: LisaMalia; jonboy; Lexington Green; VOA; risk; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Joy Angela; ...
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PAX's 'The Making of the PASSION'

9pm Sunday, February 22, 2004
9pm Tuesday, February 24, 2004
( See: http://www.PAX.tv )



See Director MEL GIBSON in his "WE WERE SOLDIERS" Army Fatigue shirt, possibly with the name MOORE sewed right there on it..?

For GOD does indeed work his Miracles in some very loving ways..?


Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer / Radioman-Driver-Orderly to MEL GIBSON's Lt. Col. HAL G. MOORE in Vietnam

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm
(Photos)

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140 posted on 02/21/2004 6:43:46 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: LisaMalia
Oh, I was afraid of that! Please accept my apologies. I can't help ya there. :/
141 posted on 02/21/2004 6:44:58 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: jonboy
"There was a scene in which the unrepentant thief had his eyes pecked out by a crow. I thought that didn't gel well with the theme of forgiveness and should have been left out. It seemed to represent Divine retribution since the thief had just been blaspheming Jesus. But the cross wasn't about retribution, that will come later at Judgment, it was about mercy"

At the time of Jesus life and death, there were not any BORN AGAIN people on the earth; not even his followers were born again until after His death. No one could be born again until after Jesus had paid the penalty for our sins = after Jesus' death. After Jesus' death, and his resurection, He visited with the disciples and He breathed on them (Acts), thus they were born again.

God said, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy". However, that changes when a person receives Jesus as their Savior. Salvation means: safety, soundness, preservation, healing, deliverance and provision. To me, salvation always represented God's extreme mercy which was available to me all the time. "His mercy is new every morning".

Thus, the "unrepentent thief" did not receive mercy .. because God is in the retribution business?? .. no! It's because people CHOOSE. The thief could have chosen repentence and received mercy .. but God is not to blame for people's choices. The scripture is clear, "It's God's desire that none should perish".

Yes, Jesus' sacrifice had a theme of forgiveness, but the forgiveness was given by God to all of humanity. There was just one requirement .. MAN HAD TO REACH OUT AND RECEIVE IT. A person does not get born again by God waving a magic wand. Man is required to do something. Man is required to activate his own faith by SAYING he believes Jesus sacrificed His life for their sins, and MAN has to receive in his heart that forgiveness from God.

The only retribution to come at Judgment will be for those who have rejected God's gift of salvation. Those who have already received salvation have been saved from judgment (the judgment and punishment Jesus received for us - in our place).
142 posted on 02/21/2004 6:46:32 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: freedox
Pope John Paul II said the movie "is as it was."

I would think that if Christ could endure it, we should be able to witness a portrayal of it on a movie screen.

143 posted on 02/21/2004 6:47:05 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

which are the prayers of the saints

But WE are the saints...the Believers in Christ. Our prayers are in the bowls. I think I know the Scripture you are referring to about intercessors, cannot find it right now.

You know, these were some of MY roots...Catholicism, just like Christianity's roots are in Judaism. ;) Even though there are differences...for Believers there is still the commonality of this Jesus, who is called Christ. If you wanna talk to Mary that's just fine with me.

144 posted on 02/21/2004 6:47:14 PM PST by madison10
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To: madison10
I wasn't giving you permission...I was giving understanding. Sometimes I am a word klutz.
145 posted on 02/21/2004 6:50:21 PM PST by madison10
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To: savedbygrace
The saints are alive in Heaven with Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and one of those saints is His mother, Mary. She is not dead; anyone who is a Christian lives forever with Our Lord. Thanks for posting your message in public. :-)
146 posted on 02/21/2004 6:51:15 PM PST by padfoot_lover
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Thanks to all for the info. No, our cable doesn't carry PAX. Of course, in order to do so they would probably have to get rid of Bravo, all the MTVs, VH1s, or the many foreign channels that they carry, to make room for it. Oh well.
147 posted on 02/21/2004 6:52:54 PM PST by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W. Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: choirboy
Hmmmm? I know Catholics who do consider her divine, or having special powers. If that were not the case, why would some Catholics pray to her ..?? That seems curious to me.
148 posted on 02/21/2004 6:54:25 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Bishop Sheen was a wise man.

I'll borrow a Philly phrase:  da best!  :-)   Perhaps too, someday soon, we'll be absolutely right in saying "he's a Saint".   FReegards.
149 posted on 02/21/2004 6:54:42 PM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: freedox
I think one of the worst things that could happen to this film would be for Christians to unthinkingly flock to it simply to "show their support" and then wind up fleeing the theater and criticizing the film as being "too violent."

I think you make a good point, and I think it is one the author of this piece was trying to convey as well. At first, I wanted to take the whole family. I have begun to rethink that. Maybe after my husband and I view it.

150 posted on 02/21/2004 6:57:06 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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