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To: savedbygrace
Do you pray, "Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen."?

I pray that prayer every day, in imitation of the Angel Gabriel and St. Elizabeth. I guess they were necromancers too. ;)

124 posted on 02/21/2004 6:31:12 PM PST by Clintons a commie
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To: Clintons a commie
Where in scripture does Elizabeth do this? As for Gabriel, you're not seriously suggesting that what an angel does indicates a permission we have, are you? (Of course, you have no scriptural support for even Gabriel praying to saints, do you?)
156 posted on 02/21/2004 7:05:17 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: Clintons a commie
Comparative Theology aside, as a Baptist, I've been known to say a "Hail Mary" or two from time to time while trying to merge in to a particularly chaotic onramp from Washington Ave. to Rt. 295 North in Portland, ME.

I figure it can't hurt, and sometimes even us Protestants can use all the help we can get!

Any you know, I wouldn'd be surprised at all if somewhere up in Heaven, the Dear Saint heard, and got a chuckle out of it.

Funny thing - a break in rush-hour traffic seemed to come along at just the right time. Kinda made me chuckle a little too.

Thank you, Ma'am!
224 posted on 02/21/2004 8:32:33 PM PST by Uncle Jaque ("O; Say; Can You See, By The Dawn's Early Light...")
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To: savedbygrace; padfoot_lover; Clintons a commie
I'd like to try and add something here about the Catholic definition of mother of God, and also necromancy.

Mary is not divine. She says so herself in the Scriptures. Mary gave physical birth to Jesus Who IS God.

Mary gave birth to Jesus Christ, she is His mother, Jesus is LORD and God, the Second Person of the Trinity. Mary did not "create" God, rather, through the Power of the Holy Spirit Jesus was conceived in the womb of the Virgin.

"The Word was made Flesh" means that God took on human nature--at conception. To say that Mary is the Mother of God we are acknowledging that God gave Mary the unique gift of carrying within her womb Jesus-God.

Mary had two very human parents, she acknowledges to the angel that she is the handmaid of the LORD, a servant, of lowly estate.

After her greeting and exchange with Elizabeth, Mary says:

"My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed; for He who Is mighty has done great things for me, and Holy Is His Name. and His Mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation..."

It is clear in Scripture that Mary knows God and she clearly knows it is not her. Mary even acknowledges she was in need of being saved. She was saved like all of humanity by the Passion of her own Divine Son. Catholics believe that Mary was saved "in advance" or at conception, that through a unique Gift, God applied the Merits of Christ's Passion and Resurrection to Mary at her conception, preserving her from any and all sin, that is the basic definition of the Immaculate Conception. Not through any merit of her own, but that Almighty God wanted the Sinless Lamb to be born of a sinless Mother, this is the inverse of "nothing impure shall enter heaven. " Since God will not allow anything impure to enter heaven, why would He allow anything impure to enter His Eternal Son.

It is God WHO created Mary to be a worthy bearer of His only Begotten Son.

Necromancy is a special mode of divination by the evocation of the dead, which is the seeking after knowledge of future or hidden things by inadequate means. Catholics never do that.

322 posted on 02/22/2004 1:36:35 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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