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Some thoughts on the Tridentine Mass in Chicago
Crux News ^ | June 4, 2004 | Fr. Burns K. Seeley, S.S.J.C.

Posted on 06/10/2004 10:17:30 AM PDT by NYer

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To: corpus
If you knew that the mass was likely to be irreverent, then I think the possibility of you being led to take part in the irreverence would qualify as a near occasion of sin. So you should probably avoid it.

In my diocese, there are three churches I know of that have reverent masses so they would be okay. However, these masses do not qualify because of the immodest dress of many women who attend there, so they get dropped because of that reason. That leaves me with the Traditional Latin Mass as the only acceptable choice.

21 posted on 06/10/2004 3:02:54 PM PDT by Bellarmine
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To: corpus

I thought your point on that matter has always been perfectly clear: the abuses of the NO Mass have got to stop, and such abuses are not going on at Latin Masses.

Too bad that so many prefer the irreverent abuses. Unfortunately, there will always be those folks.

But did you see how the article says that both the Latin and NO masses are celebrated with clean traditional reverence there? How lucky for the people of that parish.


22 posted on 06/10/2004 3:09:59 PM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts our national defense.)
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To: NYer

I like that it's available, but it should be available in more parishes.


23 posted on 06/10/2004 3:55:59 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: NYer

"St. John Cantius"

Wow. Wow. WOW! That Statue of Christ receiving the Penitent Sinner brought tears to my eyes.

Where did these guys come from, and how have they avoided wreckovation by the sodomites?


24 posted on 06/11/2004 1:18:00 AM PDT by dsc (The Crusades were the first wars on terrorism.)
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To: AAABEST
Oh I forgot to tell you. I found a Byzantine Catholic church right down the road from my house! I just stumbled across it on my way to another event.

Check out this thread before you attend their liturgy. There is a link where you can step through the entire Byzantine service - beautifully presented.

What is an Eastern Catholic?

25 posted on 06/11/2004 1:22:57 AM PDT by NYer (I would not believe the Gospel unless moved thereto by the Church. "- St. Augustine of Hippo)
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To: corpus
So, what are we to do with those that are irreverant - ie the other 99% of NO "Masses"? Are we allowed (outside of free will)to worship at those that are irreverent?

I'm not a very good person to ask about what's "allowed". I will say that often what's allowed and what's right can be at odds with each other. Although I feel your pain, I no longer attend NO-masses so I no longer have this problem.

I do know that some of what I saw going on that is allowed (or seems to be allowed) scandalized me. Everything from soccer moms passing out species in a glass that looks like it was bought at Wal Mart to gay monks using the homily time for fund raising.

26 posted on 06/11/2004 4:50:17 AM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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I've actually been to that site.

I went to the church yesterday to find out mass times. It was closed, but I peeked in the window. Beautiful classic looking stained glass and mosaics. As you know they use icons as opposed to relics.

I have a few problems out of the box however; No kneelers and little or no veneration of Mary to name a few. Also I'm not Mid Eastern or Eastern European. Being that I'm part Italian, Roman Catholicism in my family most likely traces back to it's original foundation.

It is Catholic though, and I will check it out.

27 posted on 06/11/2004 5:04:00 AM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: corpus

In regard to irreverent masses, here is where I would draw the line: if you KNOW based on your Catholic training/spiritual formation, that the masses in a particular church are irreverent or invalid, you certainly hav no business attending them, as would be willingly participating in blasphemy, which is a mortal sin. since we can all read and write, no one can really be excused on account of "ignorance of the law". But, I will go ya one further: let's say your parish has such irreverent masses. Should you support the parish financially? MO! If you do, you are at best a fool, and at worst, complicitous in the blashphemy being purportrated. To dontribute (or still worse to raise funds) for such a parish, makes you as guilty as the apostate priest who is conducting the irreverence. And I will guarantee that the priest is not just and unwitting fool - such irreverence is connived at, and quite well planned!


28 posted on 06/12/2004 12:20:17 PM PDT by thor76
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