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To: ultima ratio

=== That is where the true Church is since the Holy See is no longer fully Catholic

I have a problem with this.

While we may be witnessing one of the most diabolical of revolutions from within the Church has ever undergone, for SSPX to aver it's the real Church flies in the face of Christ's promises re: his vicar on earth.

You had an excellent and what I thought was a fair criticism of JPII the other day. I agree with everything you said. But the fact remains that JPII hasn't actually departed from Church teaching regardless his sins of omission, negligence, startling actions or liberal philosophical bent. Not the best Pope we've ever had (save where rave ticket sales are concerned, perhaps) but certainly not the worst either.

If SSPX wishes to assert that it is the "true Church," I'd prefer they appoint their own Pope and be done with it.


178 posted on 07/16/2004 8:36:41 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5

The Holy See is no more than the Vatican bureaucracy--which no longer is fully Catholic. That is just the truth. Many of its most important officials are cardinals and archbishops who are openly apostate, for instance. This means only some are truly Catholic and orthodox, while some are not. The Pope presides over both.

On the other hand, the true Church exists among those who practice the true faith. This is where the SSPX and other traditionalists come in--in fact, it is comprised of the entire traditionalist movement. They adhere to the doctrines and practices of the preconciliar Church and renounce the heresies that have engulfed the conciliar apparatus.


189 posted on 07/16/2004 9:07:07 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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