[Land of the Irish]

You must have the same problem as Black Elk with his morbid obsession of deceased priests? Has it ever occurred to you, that your hero Paul VI, inventor of his own personalized Mass, and suppressor of the Mass of All Time, is also deceased?

[sinkspur]

You must have the same problem as Black Elk with his morbid obsession of deceased priests? Has it ever occurred to you, that your hero Paul VI, inventor of his own personalized Mass, and suppressor of the Mass of All Time, is also deceased?

You posted the quote from the dead priest. I just noted that he was, in fact, dead.

We'll all be dead, eventually, LOI.

[BlackElk]

LOI: If you are going to mention me, convention requires that you ping me. I regularly point out that Marcel Lefebvre is dead because be apparently died unrepentant which means he has run out of time to recant and repent and do penance for his apostasy, his disobedience, his massacre of his freely taken vows of obedience, his commitment to JP II NOT to consecrate the four Econe excommunicatees and to humbly submit to the authority of the Supreme Pontiff. If that was all, I would not mention it repeatedly but many who partake in most of those crimes of Marcel Lefebvre and ratify the rest are still alive and can still repent and still seek forgiveness and still recant and reject these evils and the scandals they have produced.

Paul VI put me in the frame of mind that the schismatics regularly display. I thank God for one sensible Catholic who persuaded me not to leave Catholicism for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Lefebvrism was entirely too obvious and obviously a new and less worthy schism than Eastern Orthodoxy. I suffered through the papacy of Paul VI and John XXIII before him. They are long since dead and have received the judgment of God (Who alone may judge them as can no one on earth) whatever it may have been. I rejoice that God has sent us JP II.

Fr. Zigrang has apparently been driven over the edge by Bishop Fiorenza. Fr. Zigrang is probably not the first pries to have been driven over the edge by Fiorenza. Nonetheless, Fr. Zigrang is incardinated in Fiorenza's diocese and has no more business spitting upon the authority of his diocesan ordinary (even patheticos such as Fiorenza) than does another "traditionalist" icon: Fr. Gruner who never saw an order he would not violate as to where and how he is to practice his priesthood. We are a Church. We are THE Church. We are NOT an anarchy.