Skip to comments.Karl von Habsburg, Emperor and King
Posted on 08/03/2004 7:56:37 PM PDT by B-Chan
Thought you might be interested...
THE HERESY MYTH :"A number of legends associate the Merovingian kings with the royal bloodline of Jesus and Magdalene. One of their myths is that the ancestress of the Merovingians was a mermaid and another says that the mother of Merovee' was impregnated by a sea monster. In each of these myths, the prevailing kernal of truth seems to be that this ancestry is "half man, half fish." Since Christ was known to early Christians as the "ICHTHYS" and Mary Magdalene was identified with the shape known as the "Vessel of the Fish,"
The above blasphemy was copied from a convert to Merovingians belief they are descendents of Jesus and his relationship with Mary Magdalene. One of early Kings helped perpetrate this lie claiming he was the descendent of that relationship. Holy Blood, Holy Grail is book that spreads that lie.
I actually posted a whole thing about this somewhere. In any case the Holy Grail myth (the latest version) probably began with a late appearing misguided cult within the aristocracy of the Hapsburgs probably based on the the earier Merovingian legend.
No one remembers this origin so lots of people get fooled.
I think all of the Holy Grail and Lance of Destiny stuff as well as the Jesus and Mary Magdalene and family myths came out of South France and spread to Switzerland. I don't believe there was acceptance of any of this in th Austro-Hungarian Empire. To the best of my knowledge the Hapsburgs were always loyal to the Pope and the Catholic Church.
Then again,there was an Austrian King named Ludwig who was quite crazy. It is rumored that he was a homosexual and involved with things Masonic and he ended up suiciding or being murdered at a relatively young age. He had many very exquisite palaces and castles as well as a hunting lodge that serve the Aurstrian tourist industry well.
To understand what happened at Rennes-le-Chateau between 1887 and 1891, we must step back and look at one of Europe's oldest dynasties, the Hapsburgs. The historical origin of the Hapsburg family goes back to the 10th century and the intrigues of Otto I, the first Hohenstauffen to become Emperor of Charlemagne's revived Holy Roman Empire. At that point the empire consisted of little more than a collection of Germanic states.
But in the mid 1880's, this was in the future and the Hapsburgs of Austria-Hungary were the most powerful ruling family in Europe. They enter the story of Rennes-le-Chateau with the arrival of the emissary, supposedly sent on behalf of the Comtesse de Chambord, the former Marie de Hapsburg-Lorraine, daughter of Leopold II, Archduke of Tuscany and the Piedmont of Italy, and widow of the Pretender, Henry V of France. Her titles and family connections are important, because it is likely that her supposed emissary was her youngest brother, Johann Salvator de Hapsburg-Lorraine. It is also likely that the Comtesse had nothing to do with it, beside providing a convenient cover story.
The Abbe Boudet sent his book to all the ruling families of Europe including the Hapsburgs, and given their history, the Hapsburg-Lorraines in particular. Descended from King Rene's grandson and his marriage to a Hapsburg princess in the late 15th century, the Hapsburg-Lorraines have often been called the Latinized Hapsburgs. Their long reign in northern Italy and Provence seems to have inspired these Hapsburgs with something lacking in their Austrian cousins.
However, by the middle of the 19th century, the Grand Dukes of Tuscany had fallen on hard times. Leopold II, Marie and Johann's father, backed his cousin the Emperor Franz Joseph in the struggles for Italian independence. After the Emperor's defeat at Soliferno in 1859, Leopold lost the Grand Duchy. It became part of Victor Emmnauel's new Kingdom of Italy. Leopold's eldest son Ferdinand renounced his claim to the throne, as did the middle brother Ludwig, who became a locksmith. Johann, the youngest, became the last hope of the family for greatness. It was a role that, subsequent history would suggest, he wore with some reluctance.
By 1887, Johann had already come into conflict with his cousin, the Emperor Franz Joseph, and ended any hope of advancement within the House of Hapsburg. Johann was a renegade archduke, a man with ambitions, a divine sense of authority, and no way to express his talents and abilities. He was friends with liberals, free thinkers, and his Christianity was in doubt, a serious question in Catholic Vienna. He was known to have joined several chivalric secret orders, such as the Knights of the Rosy-Cross and the Order of the Crescent founded by his ancestor, King Rene, in which he was the hereditary Grand Master. Given his background and interests, it would be surprising if Boudet's book had not reached him.
And so, in the spring of 1887, Archduke Johann paid a visit to the Abbe Sauniere under the guise of an emissary from his sister, Marie de Chambord, with a plausible cover story for looking for the Abbe Bigou's hidden genealogies. After Sauniere made his initial discovery, he did not try to contact the Comtesse, but he was in close contact with Archduke Johann. In the fall of 1887, bank accounts were opened on the same day in the same Austrian bank by both Johann and the Abbe Sauniere. Transactions between these two accounts would continue for years, even after Johann's disappearance. They would later form the basis of an accusation of spying leveled against Sauniere.
From the fall of 1887 to the summer of 1889, Johann seems to have been a frequent visitor to Rennes-le-Chateau. To the locals, he became the Stranger, and was remembered long afterward as Monsieur Guillame. During those visits, the three co-conspirators, Sauniere, Johann and Boudet, unraveled the mystery. It revealed a discovery so powerful that the Archduke Johann took it to his cousin, the Crown Prince Rudolph of Austria-Hungary, and thereby set off a train of events that led, inexorably, to the cataclysm of World War I.
Not to repeat myself - but whoever started the "Holy Grail" cult - and I think it could have been French monarchists - then looked for converts and found a few among some mid level elements within the Hapsburg aristocracy who financed the cult or at least the recunstruction of the church at Renes. The purpose for the founding of this cult? A restitution of not only French monarchy but of European monarchies. Remember this is the age (late 19th century) of nationalisim, republicanisim, anti-clericalisim, anti-monarchists, anarchists, woman's rights, communisists, socialists, capatalisits, etc. and some it seems found comfort in the fact that European monarchies would return to their glory days because they bore the seed of Jesus.
Curious John Paul would honor a man who was part of the dynasty that occupied a part of his home country.
By the spring of 1888, however, things were beginning to move. Johann renewed his contacts with various occult and chivalric orders, and, most important of all, he reconnected with his cousin, the Crown Prince Rudolph of Austria-Hungary. Rudolph, six years younger than Johann and Sauniere, was an unhappy, frustrated and idealistic young liberal heir to a vast, conservative and above all Catholic Empire. In 1888 Rudolph turned 30, and his father -- Franz Joseph had been on the throne for forty years -- showed no inclination toward sharing authority or including his son in the workings of government. This, in many ways, was the crowning frustration of a tortured and disturbed life. As a young boy, Rudolph's tutor, the Count Gondrecourt, bullied and abused him in a misguided attempt to toughen his nerve.
By the time he turned thirty in 1888, Rudolph's brilliance had begun to turn wild. Rudolph and Johann would be in continual contact for the next eight months until Rudolph's death. While the great secret, or even Rennes-le-Chateau, is never mentioned, there is evidence that Johann and Rudolph were planning some sort of coup. In the fall of 1888, Rudolph almost shot his father, Franz Joseph, "accidentally" on the hunting field. Rudolph was asked to leave for the day and the matter was hushed up. It was also the last time Franz Joseph saw his son alive. On January 30th 1889, Rudolph and his current mistress, Maria Vetsera, were found dead in the Imperial hunting lodge at Mayerling. Rumors leaked out that it was a suicide pact between the lovers. This was scandalous enough to quell any further investigation, and might just have been a smoke-screen. It is possible that Rudolph posed such a threat to the Empire that he was killed by the Imperial secret service.
Rudolph lived at about the same time but was married to a woman who did not interest him much and had a "love" relationhip with a woman,with whom he later died in a murder/suicide arrangement at his hunting lodge. He too was thirty.
I think that there was probably some weakness in Rudolph,spoiled and energetic he may have been involved in some shenanigans but your case for the Hapsburg's involvement in these silly but dangerous cults is weak.
I posted who I thought backed this cult movement. I don't know why you think I meant the entire Hapsburg line?? I even bolded out that it was the minor members of the clan that got involved in this cult. Verstehen Sie?
I will be sure to mark the day for my personal celebration. The beatification of His Imperial Majesty serves as just one more confirmation that the wrong side won the First World War.
And all of us -- Christians, Jews, and Moslems -- have been suffering for it ever since. Truly, Woodrow Wilson was an agent of Satan.
Sorry,I read your first post on this thread and thought you held some animosity to the Austrian ruling family,if I was wrong,I apologise.
The Germans were on the side of the Christian killing Muslim Turks - the right side won that war.
PS: The Germans also helped secure communisim's foothold.
The "Muslim Turks" were the major force for secularism and modernity in the Islamic world. They used to govern Mecca and Medina. All those areas that are currently under Islamic fundamentalist rule in the Middle East were provinces severed from the Ottoman Empire by the English and French for the exclusive purpose of setting up their own puppet governments.
We can thank the victors of Versailles for the origins of the current turmoil in the Middle East.
The U.S. was brought into the war because of Woodrow Wilson's repeated violations of international law. This is the reason why William Jennings Bryan resigned as Secretary of State. American citizens were PURPOSELY used as human shields by the English government when it transported troops and munitions on auxiliary cruisers masquerading as civilian liners.
Wilson and his administration repeatedly lied to the American people in trumping up causes for America's entry into this war, which was fought primarily because American banking and industrial interests had become so heavily invested in the English war effort that a defeat would have spelled financial disaster.
The idea that an American administration would send its citizens to war in order to benefit the financial backers of the government, after trumping up bogus casus belli, is not such an innovation after all.
Proves your ignorance. The birth of Turkish modernity and secularisim only happened after WW1 with Attaturk and he was barely civilized.
Germany and Austria were a blight on civilization and deserved their just fate - twice.
Altho,observing the passing scene,I think maybe our President is a little too independent than the folks who placed him would like him to be. I seriously wonder if he really wants us to be where we are. I often think NOT.
Are there any good biographies of H.I.M. Karl?