Skip to comments.Question to Christians From a Jewish Friend
Posted on 12/08/2004 11:08:38 PM PST by Mike10542
Hey fellow freepers, having been swept up in the battle of conservatives first liberals and believers in God vs. non-beleivers I clearly have chosen the right side here (hence me writing on Free Republic). The alignment of Jews like myself and many fellow Christians is one that I feel is very necesary to win the war against evil and have peace in our time. Although I choose to ignore all the leftists and others who try to break up this loving partnership by saying "They are only on your side becuase they want the Jews in control of Jerusalem so Christ returns," I am looking to explore what the Bible really teaches about the Jewish fate from the Christian perspective. It is hard to find what the majority opinion is because the internet is, well, the internet. What I have made out so far is that during rapture I beleive 2/3's of Jews are killed, but one third survive. So my questions are:
1) What do the 2/3's of Jews die from (war, just happens????)
2) What happens to the remaning 1/3 of Jews after they survive?
3) Do any of this remaining 1/3 of Jews make it past the final judgement of God (some interpertations say no, others say the remaining Jews are allowed to pass once accepting God and I think Christ)
I truly beleive in my Jewish fate as I have been raised Jewish, but my mom is Christian. So each religion I respect and believe are good. Ultimately, I hope us Jews and Christians both make it together to the promised land (and only the Muslims are sent to hell!)
Thanks for all your answers. Also, feel free to direct me to anywhere where I can learn more about this subject.
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"Paging Hal Lindsey, Hal Lindsey, paging Hal Lindsey..."
There is a lot of interpretation of these things, and as there are 2 billion nominal Christians, there are at least as many opinions on that. If I lived in Israel I would be somewhat fatalistic about the ultimate outcome judging from history in the region and first Saddam and now Iran saying they intend to burn the place. Beyond that, who knows?
Mr.Lindsey sells a lot of books, and makes a good deal of money. Doesn't mean he is right however.
Call it a hunch, but i don't think God is going to break out a calculator and DAMN the third who don't divide evenly... just a hunch...
How do you know the Rapture won't happen?
I'm sure you're right though...
Isaiah 45:17 (KJV)
But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
Isaiah 45:25 (KJV)
In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
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I am just wondering you know, I want to know what the literal interpertation is of the bible, I non-partisan point of view of what the Bible says about Jews fate (if there is such a thing).
This is the best I could find in a moment's notice: http://www.thetrumpet.com/geo/na/docs/issues/200412/37.asp
Exactly!! I just had a rupture in my bathroom and it was no fun!
I know of no true Christian that wishes hell for anyone.
Ayy good websites about what the bible really says about Jews fate? I want it from a new testament perspective, I guess a lot of the bible is left to interpratation, so it might be hard to get a good answer.
What do you wish for the Jewish people and all of humankind ?
I was just wondering if you have some sort of insider knowledge.
My opinion is it might happen, it might not. Who knows for sure except God?
And what kind of disingenuous question is that? Seems along the lines of "So when did you stop beating your wife?".
Sorry, I was instilling a joke in a question that I am actually asking serisously. I only wish hell to the truly evil people, but let God be the judge of that
I can't remember once talking about "the Jews' fate" in church or with fellow believers. Salvation is not about being Jewish or not being Jewish.
Indeed, true Christians ought to pray for everyone, that they may see the light. But true believers in freedom will not prohibit the free exercise of any religion.
I wish that all the good people in the world go to heaven, that is basically what I want. But I want to examine the differences between Jews and Christians, because from a family of both faiths, I really feel that strong about my committment to the Judeo-Christian relationship. I want to learn more about Christianity and what they believe different than Jews (I was brought up Jewish), one thing which I know is what will happen to us when Christ comes back according to them.
Could you expand on this comment please?
Mike, the Christian understanding amongst those who take the Bible seriously is that Christ will not return to the earth until Israel asks him to, with all that implies.
rapture aside, as far as the remnant goes (those jews not killed in the different judgements; the fact that they are jews not really mattering, seeing as how only 1/2 or 1/4 of the world is prophecied to die) its the same as the rest of humanity, accept christ or dont, there is no middle ground.those who do will enjoy eternity with the Lord, those who dont are separated and hurled into the pit.
thats just the basics i know of, correct me where im wrong
the Bible says nothing about the Jew vs. Christian hell... islam tells muslims to ask(imams) what god thinks, and imams tell them what to do... that is the root of corruption in islam, they behave like...
God is Holy and Just. He'll definitely sort it all out when the time comes.
Whatever the case, I know we all *deserve* death and hell. But only through His grace and mercy, some of us are spared.
Habe you looked into what Jews for Jesus have to say? I don't really know much about the topic, but from what I can tell, their views are in line with orthodox (lower-case 'o') Christianity.
Follow the posts. Reading is a good thing to do.
Some evangelicals believe that a huge cataclysmic war must happen before their wonder boy will return. I'm sure you are aware of some of these doctrines.
Mike, try and leave it alone, rather than levitt.
An excellent example is the Jan, 2000 edition of The Trumpet, if you can get it.
Another example is that I've known that Iran would be the head of the terrorist threat for four years ahead of time, just by reading this magazine! (Past gains cannot guarantee future results. ;)
It's something to check out, though, especially for the eternally curious.
Do you have gratitude for your existence ? When was the last time you looked up at the stars on a clear night ?
What are your religious beliefs? Do you consider yourself a liberal Christian or something else?
No, Mike. Don't look at Jews for Jesus. It is a waste of your time.
Some of us even believe that we are not meant to understand or know the prophesies. We don't care about rebuilding the temple.
On the other hand. We believe every word in the Old Testament is true. We believe that the Jews are the chosen people of God and that God will bless nations that aid Israel. Christian children are raised on Old Testament stories. I didn't learn that I wasn't a Jew until I started to public school.
Jews have a legitimate reason to fear us evangelicals because we are commanded to take the teachings of Christ to all people, including Jews, but we could never even think of interfering in their religious practices or doing them any harm.
That we have done nothing and can do nothing to redeem ourselves is fundamental to Christianity.
You may want to regularly attend an in-depth Bible study.
Oh, based on your posts I had assumed you were a Christian. Since you are not, let me extend my apologies for engaging you in a way I did not intend.
Everyone by nature is sinful, and except through Jesus no one is able to make himself right before God.
I'm not religious, but I'm on Israel's side because our national interests coincide almost perfectly since 9\11. Also, if we're going to promote democracy in the Middle East, it makes sense to support the only democracy in the Middle East.
No worries mate. I assume you are a male. If not, mate is also a term of endearment for a female here in the Great Southern Land.
Spirited dialogue is good to progress things along.