Skip to comments.Question to Christians From a Jewish Friend
Posted on 12/08/2004 11:08:38 PM PST by Mike10542
Hey fellow freepers, having been swept up in the battle of conservatives first liberals and believers in God vs. non-beleivers I clearly have chosen the right side here (hence me writing on Free Republic). The alignment of Jews like myself and many fellow Christians is one that I feel is very necesary to win the war against evil and have peace in our time. Although I choose to ignore all the leftists and others who try to break up this loving partnership by saying "They are only on your side becuase they want the Jews in control of Jerusalem so Christ returns," I am looking to explore what the Bible really teaches about the Jewish fate from the Christian perspective. It is hard to find what the majority opinion is because the internet is, well, the internet. What I have made out so far is that during rapture I beleive 2/3's of Jews are killed, but one third survive. So my questions are:
1) What do the 2/3's of Jews die from (war, just happens????)
2) What happens to the remaning 1/3 of Jews after they survive?
3) Do any of this remaining 1/3 of Jews make it past the final judgement of God (some interpertations say no, others say the remaining Jews are allowed to pass once accepting God and I think Christ)
I truly beleive in my Jewish fate as I have been raised Jewish, but my mom is Christian. So each religion I respect and believe are good. Ultimately, I hope us Jews and Christians both make it together to the promised land (and only the Muslims are sent to hell!)
Thanks for all your answers. Also, feel free to direct me to anywhere where I can learn more about this subject.
Take your word for it? No thanks. I'll take the word of God.
Peace between the nations is possible.
Jews are God's people, and so are Christians. At the end of time, I think ( and hope ) He will slap you on the back, and say "well done." I don't think minor theological difference matter much to a being so vastly higher than ourselves.
You'll see what unfolds over the next few months.
Except Jesus is not an intermediary to connect to a "higher power," he is one of the three equal persons of the Trinity.
What he means Mike, is that levitt is probably a bullseye.
I don't care what you believe, but kindly show some respect for our beliefs.
You are a very strange person.
Like I said, I trust in the world of God, not a nutcase on FR.
WE already know what is unfolding and WE know how to recognize his cheerleaders and minions.
Do you want a major war to happen in the next few months so that the your messiah will re-appear ?
Very simple question.
Yes or No
Armagedden (the plains of Megido). Unless you did an intentional pun that I did not get.
Was the plumbing involved yours or your house's?
Yes, it was an international, sorry intentional pun... :)
The entire rapture idea has been around for less than 200 years - it was invented by a Scottish pastor in the early 1800's who was excommunicated for heresy. He wrote the study notes to the Scofield Bible, which became quite popular in America and that Bible spread the idea in the US. Europeans have largely never heard of it and the rest of the world ignores it even more deeply. It's really just an American nutcase kind of thing.
If it were not for the Left Behind novels (which are about as well-researched as Dan Brown's The DA Vinci Code, which is to say, they aren't, the rapture concept would be pretty well unknown in this country too. Ignore the rapture - it's just a bunch of well-meaning ignorant people taking Scripture verses out of context.
B) Paul's letter to the Romans insists that Gentile Christians are only saved because we are grafted onto the source of salvation, Jewish Christians (Romans 11). Christ Himself testified that salvation is from the Jews (John 4:22). Christianity is the completion of Judaism, and Judaism is the source of Christianity.
C) Catholics know "The glorious Messiah's coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by "all Israel", for "a hardening has come upon part of Israel" in their "unbelief" toward Jesus" (#674 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church). The full inclusion of the Jews in the Messiah's salvation is necessary for the Second Coming.
I believe that the Jewish people are...exempt if you will because they are the chosen people. Besides, the rapture is not about killing the non-believers, it's about bringing the true believers to God.
You remind me of some entity out of the book "The Screwtape Letters" But you are not even as good as Wormwood.
Which one of the following sects best approximates your belief system/frame of reference ?
(1) Roman Catholic
(4) Christian Scientist
(7) Church of England
(8) Eastern Orthodox
(12) House of Yahweh
(16) Other Christian Sect
(17) Child of THE KING OF KINGS
Hal Lindsay has made all kinds of predictions that never came true. So please do not use Hal Lindsay as a source, go and study to see what your bible reallly says.
Wow, freepers are really helping me out. One thing, though I forget who wrote it, but I don't think any Christian wishes for war, they wish simply for what God intends. So I think it would be wrong to simply say "they want a huge war" so Christ can return," they simply want what they beleive God has laid out.
No, most Christians don't see Jesus as a "wonder-boy." I can think of a number of greater terms that better describe him, such as "King of Kings," "savior of the world," etc.
The house.... I think.
I have a different perspective on this.
One of my parents was Jewish, the other Christian.
The fact that my father married a "shikse" caused the Jewish side of the family to disown my father.
The fact that my mother married a Jew drove the Christian side of the family into an equal panic.
What they overlooked, was that there was an innocent child involved.
I will be waiting for all of them in Hell, because MY God has promised me they will all go there - every one of them, for their arrogance and intolerance and religious self-righteousness.
There, they will have *me* to contend with.
Deal with it.
I am Jewish like you, but I think you are out of line to demonize Christianity the way some of your posts do. You have to respect all beliefs, especially Christians who are in fact descendants of Judiasm (after all Jesus was a Jew).
I'm Christian Reformed (Calvinistic), which would make me closest to a conservative (15) Presbyterian on you list. BTW, Unitarian doesn't really belong there, since it's really a church of secularism, rather than a Christian church.
If it happens,in the next 8 months,none of us will be posting after that,so I don't have to promise to leave,should it happen. ;^)
It doesn't say anywhere that a major war will be required.
It says NO ONE KNOWS THE TIME OR PLACE.
Your name isn't anywhere in there as an exception.
Here are the relevant verses ...
And it shall come to pass, [that] in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off [and] die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God.
...I suspect they will have faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, and Messiah.
The bottom line on why Christianity is true, is that the Bible says what happens thousands of years before it happens. Please see http://www.yfiles.com/y3nf.html
Since the Muslims don't believe in the Messiah,but Jews and Christians do,Muslims probably won't get taken to heaven,when HE comes.
That's utter claptrap and a long banned poster used to post threads about the lost tribes all the time.Jim doesn't like this kind of tinfoil posted to Fr,which is WHY he was banned.
You must have meant to reply to Bandaneira, because I never said I was Jewish (I'm Christian); I was responding to his comments in which he attacked Christian beliefs.
>We believe that the Jews are the chosen people of God and
>that God will bless nations that aid Israel.
Notice how low France is going...
I agree with you No Pardons on that Lost Tribe website's credibility.
What I want is whatever is preordained to happen to this world.
I believe in God, I believe Jesus is my Lord and Saviour and I do not have doubts or fear in what is going to happen.
I'm ready to go right now if that's what happened. Or in eight months if that is when it is to happen or 50 years from now.
What I don't believe in is you and your implied "psychic" babble.
I'm not using him as a source. I read the Pentateuch regularly.
That's not what all Christians believe.
13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is
my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the
sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little
13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two
parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left
13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them
as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call
on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and
they shall say, The LORD is my God.
This is Christ's return. The Jewish remnant recognize Jesus at his return
after Armageddon by His nail-pierced hands.
The remnant is saved to go through the millenial reign of Christ on Earth.
I sure heard you :D Amen!
Has no one but me noticed Bandaneira's only purpose here is to disrupt the flow of the thread as various Christians attempt to answer Mike's question?
I invite you all to hit the abuse button as I have, so a legitimate question can be answered.
The Father. The Mother, and the Master of the Universe.
That's why some people have certain divine attributes which are not dependent upon their genes.
It's very peaceful isn't it?
Yes it is. Christians recognise that nothing we can do is good enough to redeem ourselves, and that it is only through the grace of God that we can be saved.
Indeed, it is. This is why people like Bandaneira need our understanding, patience and prayers. Afterall, Christ died for him too.
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