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Cardinal Ratzinger Discovers America
The Remnant Newspaper ^ | December 15 | John Rao

Posted on 12/12/2004 8:54:32 AM PST by Land of the Irish

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To: St.Chuck
I like the monarchists for the stunning irony they supply. Most, given their attitudes toward the pope, would make lousy subjects.

LOL!! Ain't that the truth!

261 posted on 12/13/2004 7:45:18 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: St.Chuck; sinkspur
"Most, given their attitudes toward the pope, would make lousy subjects."

If I were to press you to substantiate this point, you would fail miserably. In public. I would like to do that.

Are you game?

Please ping the appropriate parties. Not a jot or tittle of the law will pass away, you know.

262 posted on 12/13/2004 7:48:04 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: pascendi
If I were to press you to substantiate this point, you would fail miserably.

I think you are capable of supporting a parallel kingdom, if you disapprove of how the one you live in is run. Not true?

263 posted on 12/13/2004 8:08:36 PM PST by St.Chuck (Induimini Dominum Iesum Christum)
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To: St.Chuck
"I think you are capable of supporting a parallel kingdom, if you disapprove of how the one you live in is run. Not true?"

That would be entirely incorrect.

264 posted on 12/13/2004 8:10:28 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: St.Chuck
While will not find me in opposition to Catholic doctrine.

Pertaining to this particular question, the first source which comes to mind is your namesake, the Bull Unam Sanctam, which declares infallibly that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.

265 posted on 12/13/2004 8:14:57 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: pascendi

Glad to hear that.


266 posted on 12/13/2004 8:15:12 PM PST by St.Chuck (Induimini Dominum Iesum Christum)
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To: St.Chuck; Unam Sanctam
Son of a gun. Sorry, Chuck.

You people switched names on me while I wasn't paying attention.

At any rate, no, I do not and would not support any parallel structure to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

267 posted on 12/13/2004 8:18:29 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: sinkspur
Some very wise men, over 230 years ago, thought it was. They have been proven right.

Then explain Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton. Democracy/Representative government does not shield us from electing bad leaders. Like I said, (and yes I'm going to an extreme here), even Hitler was elected.

Same attitude that kept blacks out of public life.Embarassing that you would try to play the race card to make a point.

You might want to log off and start posting again in the morning, once you sober up.
268 posted on 12/13/2004 8:19:09 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: St.Chuck
I like the monarchists for the stunning irony they supply. Most, given their attitudes toward the pope, would make lousy subjects.

I don't think John Paul II would steal nearly half of my income like the current democracy we live in.

269 posted on 12/13/2004 8:20:03 PM PST by Grey Ghost II
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To: sinkspur
You are wasting your time with people who think that Prince Charles is more enlightened than Tony Blair.

They are both idiots...but only one of them was elected by the people.

270 posted on 12/13/2004 8:21:50 PM PST by Grey Ghost II
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To: Conservative til I die
Embarassing that you would try to play the race card to make a point.

Not at all. Your argument that voters are morons, taken to its logical conclusion, would impose some sort of intellectual threshold on suffrage. No different from the color barrier.

You might want to log off and start posting again in the morning, once you sober up.

Your insults were, once upon a time, much more creative.

271 posted on 12/13/2004 8:30:46 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: Grey Ghost II; sinkspur
At least Prince Charles is not an advocate of surrendering Britain's sovereignty to the European Union, "reforming" its ancient constitution beyond recognition, and trampling on the rights of farmers and hunters like the despicable traitor Tony Blair, by far the worst prime minister in British history.

The Prince of Wales may be an adulterer, but he is NOT an "idiot." From Charles Coulombe's Monarchy FAQ:

Much is made of the marital woes of the Royal Family, particularly of the Prince of Wales. But given the kid-glove treatment our own president has received in this area, can it not be asserted that the Prince‘s annoyance of many influential groups by his stand in such areas as architecture, the environment, and education has been at least a partial source of his woes? This appears from a revealing 21 January 1993 letter he wrote to Tom Shebbeare, director of the Prince's Trust (and quoted on pp. 493-494 of Dimbleby's biography):

For the past 15 years I have been entirely motivated by a desperate desire to put the "Great" back into Great Britain. Everything I have tried to do---all the projects, speeches, schemes, etc.---have been with this end in mind. And none of it has worked, as you can see too obviously! In order to put the "Great" back I have always felt it was vital to bring people together, and I began to realise that the one advantage my position has over anyone else's is that I can act as a catalyst to help produce a better and more balanced response to various problems. I have no "political" agenda---only a desire to see people achieve their potential; to be decently housed in a decent, civilised environment that respects the cultural and vernacular character of the nation; to see this country's real talents (especially inventiveness and engineering skills) put to best use in the best interests of the country and the world (at present they are being disgracefully wasted through lack of co-ordination and strategic thinking); to retain and value the infrastructure and cultural integrity of rural communities (where they still exist) because of the vital role they play in the very framework of the nation and the care and management of the countryside; to value and nurture the highest standards of military integrity and professionalism, as displayed by our armed forces, because of the role they play as an insurance scheme in case of disaster; and to value and retain our uniquely special broadcasting standards which are renowned throughout the world. The final point is that I want to role back some of the more ludicrous frontiers of the 60s in terms of education, architecture, art, music, and literature, not to mention agriculture! Having read this through, no wonder they want to destroy me, or get rid of me...!
Like his Stuart ancestors, he would attempt to play the role of steward of the land; his interest in hunting for example, is very reminiscent of his predecessors': "Despite protests by anti-hunting groups, the Prince of Wales takes a close interest in the sport at all levels and has defended it as an effective form of sporting conservation of wildlife and its habitat in the British countryside," as we read in the Royal Encyclopaedia. So too with what the same source tells us about the Prince's farm at Highgrove:
A particular concern on the Home Farm is environmental conservation: straw is never burned; chemical fertilisers are being reduced as much as possible; and in keeping with the Cotswolds landscape, 548 metres of dry-stone walls have been rebuilt around the land. In 1985 the decision was taken to go organic on three blocks of land as part of a general move to what has been called biologically sustainable farming linked to conservation. The step to full organic status on the whole estate is said to be on line for 1996.
The Prince‘s refusal to join the Masonic Order, and his denunciation of Henry VIII‘s split from Rome augur well for him as King Charles III---if he is allowed to reign by the powers-that-be.
272 posted on 12/13/2004 8:35:34 PM PST by royalcello
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To: royalcello; sinkspur
At least Prince Charles is not an advocate of surrendering Britain's sovereignty to the European Union, "reforming" its ancient constitution beyond recognition, and trampling on the rights of farmers and hunters like the despicable traitor Tony Blair, by far the worst prime minister in British history.

Yeah, but Blair is automatically better because he was elected. Mob rule is what determines great leadership.
273 posted on 12/13/2004 8:39:52 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: St.Chuck

It is inevitable that certain actions of Pope John Paul II, such as his refusal to be crowned or his recent praise of the revolutionary values of "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" during a visit to France would trouble Catholics of monarchist sympathies. However, the same Pope also beatified Emperor Karl of Austria-Hungary, a move that was welcomed by many traditionalists.

Just as being a good Catholic does not require that one agree with every action of the Pope, being a good monarchist does not require that one agree with every action of the king. In both cases one can respect the office while recognizing that the occupant can err.


274 posted on 12/13/2004 8:42:06 PM PST by royalcello
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To: royalcello
The Prince of Wales may be an adulterer, but he is NOT an "idiot."

Great. He likes to fox hunt, play polo, and has an organic farm. All at the expense of the British taxpayer, of course.

Blair fights terrorists, Charles plays with manure.

275 posted on 12/13/2004 8:43:14 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: royalcello
The Prince of Wales may be an adulterer, but he is NOT an "idiot."

I respectfully disagree. He's an idiot....


276 posted on 12/13/2004 8:46:46 PM PST by Grey Ghost II
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To: royalcello
It is inevitable that certain actions of Pope John Paul II, such as his refusal to be crowned or his recent praise of the revolutionary values of "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" during a visit to France would trouble Catholics of monarchist sympathies.

It is amazing that any human being would object to Liberty and Equality, or Fraternity, for that matter.

As to being "crowned," Peter chose to be martyred upside down, feeling he was not worthy to die as Him who had no place to lay His Head.

A "crown" for the successor of Peter is a joke.

277 posted on 12/13/2004 8:47:44 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Oh yes, modern Europe has such a great record on religious freedom for Christians.

Sarcasm noted. We apparently agree on Europe; my point was that America can't wait to be just like her.

278 posted on 12/13/2004 8:52:49 PM PST by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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To: sinkspur
All at the expense of the British taxpayer, of course.

That is a LIE, a vicious, leftist, Jacobin, evil LIE. Prince Charles's organic farm is self-sufficient. His income comes from the revenues of the Duchy of Cornwall, not from the British taxpayer. The monarchy contributes more to the treasury (from the revenues of the Crown Estates) than it receives in government funds.

All you care about is that Tony Blair supported your beloved war in Iraq. It doesn't bother you that his government, which automatically reaches for the authoritarian solution to every problem from restricting trial by jury to national ID cards, has done more damage to British liberty than the worst kings ever could have dreamed of. It doesn't bother you that he has NO respect for his country's ancient constitution, brutally severing Parliament's medieval heritage by expelling the hereditary peers, who were removed not because they were "undemocratic" but because they were independent. It doesn't bother you that Blair wants to abolish the Pound and replace it with the Euro, handing over control of Britain's economy to a foreign bureaucracy.

Whatever one thinks of monarchy or the Iraq war, anyone who admires the socialist creep Blair is no conservative.

279 posted on 12/13/2004 8:54:04 PM PST by royalcello
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To: Unam Sanctam
jacobin France was a deomcracy, nazi Germany was a democracy, the USSR was a democracy
None of these were democracies. I guess you simply don't understand what a democratic constitution is.

You have not read any history. Hitler came to power in a democracy and the French Revolution justified itself with an appeal to democracy. Seems both Jefferson and Thomas Paine were very supportive of it. Don't know about Russia.

280 posted on 12/13/2004 8:57:46 PM PST by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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