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Ancient Roman Catholic ritual making a comeback in Minnesota
AP ^ | 30 January 2005

Posted on 01/30/2005 6:27:26 PM PST by Catholic54321

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To: ultima ratio

The loss of faith in the Real Presense of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament is self evident in the many priests, and (sadly) some bishops who share this fate.

Much confusion and ambiguity cloud the issue in terms of what is taught to the young, and to converts. It is expressed in some catechism texts, sermons, extemporized mass prayers, hymns, etc. It is also self-evident in modern churches & wreckovated old ones.

Sadly, very few parishes actually have Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration. Most do not even have Benediction. Public devotions are normaly somewhere between being literally supressed. and treated with a sort of benign neglect - at best. They are usually not discused - their benefit to the soul not preached about, and they are certainly not encouraged for the most part.


21 posted on 01/30/2005 11:39:17 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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To: Catholic54321; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
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22 posted on 01/31/2005 12:37:19 AM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: sandyeggo; Catholic54321; NYer
I guess that some of the wire services must be using keyboards that are possessed.

:)

-good times, G.J.P.(Jr.)

23 posted on 01/31/2005 1:05:58 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("Hope so, because in this country, no news is always bad news"-Bahman Farmanara)
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To: sinkspur
Hello Sink,

Nobody is attempting to suppress the dogma of the Real Presence.

For my part, I'm not so sure any longer.

Some recent polls suggest only 30% of Catholics believe in Real Presence. To be sure 1) they don't seem to differentiate between regular mass-goers and not and 2) Modernity itself conspirees against any belief in the supernatural.

But it strikes me that there is an ongoing effort to reconstitute sacred architecture and liturgy in ways which demean the Eucharist, especially at the expense of a focus on the congregation: moving the tabernacle out of the central place of honor; frowning upon more humble ways of receiving it (kneeling, or on the tongue); standing during consecration; omission of the canon; and so forth. I don't know if it's a conspiracy; but if some prelates, clerics and liturgists truly believe in the Real Presence, they have an odd way of showing it. Deep down, you wonder what some really believe.

But I must also say that the rise of adoration chapels and perpetual adoration - even in many seemingly liberal dioceses and parishes - is encouraging as a counter-trend.

24 posted on 01/31/2005 5:07:02 AM PST by The Iguana
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To: Catholic54321
In 1991, the pope began perpetual adoration at the Vatican and urged parishes everywhere to do the same.

Once again, the Holy Father shows the way.

Augusta GA, is not a huge metropolis but we have 2 parishes in this area with 24/7 perpetual adoration. One is in its 8th year.

Not surprisingly, vocations are flourishing.

25 posted on 01/31/2005 6:25:49 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: sandyeggo; Catholic54321
Wow. That's a beautiful monstrance.

It is a fitting receptacle for the oldest known eucharistic miracle, located in Lanciano, Italy. You can read about it at these links:
The Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano
Eucharistic Miracle - Lanciano, Italy

26 posted on 01/31/2005 6:26:58 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: mercy

>>Idol worshipers.<<

Why thank you so much for your opinion!
We just love to hear from people who have no tact and come onto a Catholic thread to blast our beliefs. I'm sure I will see you on the Jewish threads blasting theirs, NOT!


27 posted on 01/31/2005 6:47:50 AM PST by netmilsmom (I once put instant coffee in a microwave and went back in time.)
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To: thor76

What is the difference between Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration and 40 Hours?


28 posted on 01/31/2005 6:51:43 AM PST by netmilsmom (I once put instant coffee in a microwave and went back in time.)
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To: netmilsmom

One is limited to 40 hours, the other is intended to be perpetual (24/7/365).


29 posted on 01/31/2005 6:54:11 AM PST by Petronski (Once you go Beethoven you never go back.)
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To: Catholic54321

Our Parish has had a "Perpetual Adoration" Chapel for more than 20 years.


30 posted on 01/31/2005 7:04:01 AM PST by Military family member (Go Colts!)
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To: Catholic54321; All
What do y'all think about this?

Welcome to Savior.org

With the exception of a few brief periods each day, Our Lord in the Most Blessed Sacrament is presented live via webcam from the Chapel of Divine Love in Philadelphia, PA - a source of perpetual Eucharistic adoration by the Holy Spirit Adoration Sisters since 1916.

Not that I doubt the good intentions of the sisters, but it kind of creeps me out in that there is no way to know if one is behaving reverently in front of their computer screen.

31 posted on 01/31/2005 7:12:02 AM PST by murphE ("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
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To: Catholic54321
The writer of the article seems totally clueless. It's written as though he is studying the behavior of a heretofore unknown aboriginal tribe in Darkest Wherever.

As though it hasn't been going on for years.

Atlanta Vocations Boom Attributed to Adoration

Our retiring archbishop has been a force for good orthodox teaching and practice here. The new man has quite a big set of shoes to fill.

Our parish's monstrance. No Perpetual Adoration here, but First Fridays and various special occasions like the Two Hearts devotion.

33 posted on 01/31/2005 7:23:56 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Marcellinus
a probable first step towards 24/7.

A good first step ... on of the big problems in getting a Perpetual Adoration approved is demonstrating that your group can keep the chapel "manned" 24/7/365.

34 posted on 01/31/2005 7:40:42 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Catholic54321

Hah! Today is a good day. I just learned something.


35 posted on 01/31/2005 7:41:52 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ultima ratio
Ask yourself--when was the last time you knelt for Communion?
Two months ago ... at a Novus Ordo Mass in a Marianist parish in Ohio. The practice should be much more widespread, though.

When did you last receive Communion on the tongue?
Yesterday. In my regular, Arlington Diocese Parish.

Why has the tabernacle been removed from its central place of honor in the sanctuary?
It hasn't. I'll give you one guess as to where the Tabernacle is in my just built, regular Arlington Diocese Parish church.

Why were the words "Mystery of faith" transposed from the liturgical text in such a way as to NOT refer to the reality of Transubstantiation?
Because the ICEL translators are idiots (at best). I can think of far worse descriptions of them, but charity and unwillingness to violate the 8th Commandment require that I keep my speculations to myself.

36 posted on 01/31/2005 7:50:17 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: thor76
"Much confusion and ambiguity cloud the issue in terms of what is taught to the young, and to converts."

I can happily report this was not our experience when my wife and I converted from the ELCA 10 years ago. Our priest at that time made sure we understood that faith in the Real Presense was key. For us, once that bridge of faith was crossed, it became impossible to be anything but Catholic. Believing in even just the possibility, how can one conciously then settle for anything less? I'm also happy to report that our small Minnesota parish has begun Perpetual Adoration two days each week. It is a great blessing to be able to participate.

37 posted on 01/31/2005 7:50:37 AM PST by Reo
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To: Petronski

Thanks!
Our parish is observing 40 hours this year. We are working with another parish who has Perpetual Adoration. I'm impressed!


38 posted on 01/31/2005 7:54:53 AM PST by netmilsmom (I once put instant coffee in a microwave and went back in time.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
>>"Ask yourself--when was the last time you knelt for Communion?"
Two months ago ... at a Novus Ordo Mass in a Marianist parish in Ohio. The practice should be much more widespread, though.<<
Yesterday! And on Wednesday when my girls and I are Consecrated to Jesus through Mary.

>>"When did you last receive Communion on the tongue?"
Yesterday. In my regular, Arlington Diocese Parish.<<
Me too! Our priests actually lift the host to the lips of the person. We also receive in both forms, as the host is dipped into the Blood of Christ.

>>"Why has the tabernacle been removed from its central place of honor in the sanctuary?"
It hasn't. I'll give you one guess as to where the Tabernacle is in my just built, regular Arlington Diocese Parish church.<<
Check this out...

>>"Why were the words "Mystery of faith" transposed from the liturgical text in such a way as to NOT refer to the reality of Transubstantiation?"
Because the ICEL translators are idiots (at best). I can think of far worse descriptions of them, but charity and unwillingness to violate the 8th Commandment require that I keep my speculations to myself.<<
I have to agree.

39 posted on 01/31/2005 8:04:13 AM PST by netmilsmom (I once put instant coffee in a microwave and went back in time.)
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To: netmilsmom

We did the 40 hours last year near the end of Lent. I think we are going to do it again. We have adoration twice a week, and we get more people there at times than are signed up for it, and even when the sacrament is not exposed, the church is open during the daylight hours so that people can come in and pray.

There is such power in just being there with Jesus.


40 posted on 01/31/2005 8:08:30 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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