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"No More Secrets," Visionary Said in 2001 (Sr. Lucia Confirmed Russia Consecrated to Mary)
Zenit News Agency ^ | February 14, 2005

Posted on 02/15/2005 4:02:38 PM PST by NYer

VATICAN CITY, FEB. 14, 2005 (Zenit.org).- The Fatima secret has been totally revealed by the Vatican, and Russia has already been consecrated as Mary requested, confirmed Sister Maria Lucia of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart.

The witness of the apparitions of the Blessed Virgin of Fatima made this statement to the then secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone, on Nov. 17, 2001, contradicting those who say that the Church still has secrets about the Marian apparition.

The content of the interview held between the Vatican representative and Sister Lucia in the convent of Coimbra, Portugal, where she resided, was made public by the Vatican press office on Dec. 20, 2001.

The text of the document states: "In recent months, especially following the sad events of the September 11 terrorist attacks, articles appeared in newspapers alleging new revelations by Sister Lucia, announcements of letters of warning to the Pope, and apocalyptic reinterpretations of the Fatima message."

"Moreover, emphasis was placed on the suspicion that the Holy See had not published the entire text of the third part of the secret, and some 'Fatimist' movements have repeated the accusation that the Holy Father has yet to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary," the document continues.

As a result, the Vatican note clarifies, it was considered necessary that Archbishop Bertone go personally "to clarify and obtain direct information from the visionary."

The meeting was held in the presence of Father Luis Kondor, vice postulator of the cause of Blessed Francisco and Jacinta (the other Fatima visionaries), and of the prioress of St. Teresa's Carmelite Convent.

The conversation took place on the afternoon of that Nov. 17 and lasted more than two hours. Sister Lucia, then 94, "was in great form -- lucid and vivacious," the Vatican envoy said.

The meeting addressed the question of the third part of the secret of Fatima. The Portuguese religious said that she had read "carefully and meditated on the fascicle published by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and confirms everything that is written," the Vatican statement noted.

When the archbishop explained that there are doubts that part of the secret remains unknown, Sister Lucia replied: "Everything has been published; there are no more secrets."

"If I had received new revelations, I would not have communicated them to anyone, but I would have told them directly to the Holy Father," the religious added.

There was then talk about the statements of Nicholas Gruner, a Canadian priest suspended "a divinis," who is collecting signatures insisting that the Pope finally consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and alleging that this has never been done.

Sister Lucia told the archbishop: "The Carmel community has rejected the forms for the collection of signatures. I have already said that the consecration requested by Our Lady was done in 1984, and it has been accepted in heaven."

Lastly, the conversation turned to Sister Lucia's personal life. Some press articles suggested that her concern robbed her of sleep and that she was praying night and day.

The religious answered: "It's not true. How would I be able to pray during the day if I did not sleep at night? How many things they attribute to me! How many things they make me do! They should read my book; the advice and appeals that correspond to Our Lady's wishes are there. Prayer and penance, with great faith in God's power, will save the world."


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Enough said!
1 posted on 02/15/2005 4:02:39 PM PST by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...

For those still on the fence.


2 posted on 02/15/2005 4:03:44 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: NYer

Thank you! We needed to hear this.


3 posted on 02/15/2005 4:04:37 PM PST by amdgmary (Please visit www.terrisfight.org)
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To: NYer

A nice piece of fabrication.


4 posted on 02/15/2005 4:34:25 PM PST by Wessex
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To: Wessex; thor76; Dajjal; Viva Christo Rey; Land of the Irish; murphE

Have you noticed the flood of propaganda being issued since Sr. Lucia's death?

It's not like she can dispute a word they say.


5 posted on 02/15/2005 4:43:40 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Wessex
A nice piece of fabrication.

You would accuse the very person who was so blessed to be visited by the Blessed Mother, as fabricating this story?

6 posted on 02/15/2005 4:44:29 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: NYer

Video tape or a live feed would still come under suspicion.


7 posted on 02/15/2005 4:51:56 PM PST by Jaded (My sheeple, my sheeple....)
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To: NYer
It doesn't matter. The nutburger conspiracists would doubt Sr. Lucy if she said this to their faces.

This press release, and the words of Bertone, are "propaganda."

Of course, you, too, can learn to post like a conspiracy lunatic.

8 posted on 02/15/2005 5:03:12 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: NYer

Monday, February 14: Sister Lucia dos Santos peacefully passed away Sunday at Convent in Coimbra. One wonders what does God have in store next?

Millions around the world are mourning the passing of Sister Lucia dos Santos, the Fatima visionary who experienced the Fatima Apparitions and to whom the Third Secret was entrusted by the Mother of God. While praying for her soul, they should mourn her passing as a sign from God that she has seen the fulfillment of the Third Secret. That fulfillment is not the tripe spun to the world in 2000 about persecution of the Church and the attack on the pope, that already happened before any of the conciliar popes took title. No, Sr. Lucia in her heart knew that the fulfillment was the Apostasy in the Church which is so prevalent today. Time and history will prove this. For now we can only pray she will be afforded a proper Requiem Mass in the Latin tradition she was weaned on in Portugal, and not the let's all celebrate white messes that are characteristic of the Novus Ordo. For the sake of souls everywhere we pray for the former. Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine: et lux perpetua luceat eis.


9 posted on 02/15/2005 5:10:50 PM PST by Rosary (Pray the Rosary daily)
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To: NYer
Amazing how many articles got posted in not even one week!

Sister Lucia, last remaining witness of Fatima apparitions, dies at 97

SISTER LUCIA RIP

LAST OF CHILDREN WHO CLAIMED TO SEE VIRGIN MARY DIES AT 97

Last child who claimed to see "Virgin Mary" dies

Virgin Mary Child Dies (Lucia of Fatima)

Mourning for Fatima seer (Portugal declares day of mourning)

Third Secret of Fatima is not fully revealed.

Sister Lucia, last remaining witness of Fatima apparitions, dies at 97

Sr. Lucia, Fatima, and Islam

Mystery Fatima: Death of Lucia Accents Famed Secrets & Area's Hidden History

"No More Secrets," Visionary Said in 2001 (Sr. Lucia Confirmed Russia Consecrated to Mary)

10 posted on 02/15/2005 5:10:57 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

**Prayer and penance, with great faith in God's power, will save the world."**

Amen!


11 posted on 02/15/2005 5:18:06 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

I have not seen propaganda -- just a re-publishing of the information.


12 posted on 02/15/2005 5:19:00 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
"No More Secrets," Visionary Said in 2001 (Sr. Lucia Confirmed Russia Consecrated to Mary)
13 posted on 02/15/2005 5:22:07 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Each piece of so called information contradicts the previous. But we are supposed to ignore the obvious, right?


14 posted on 02/15/2005 5:24:00 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Rosary

You have my agrement. And Sr. Lucia has my prayers!


15 posted on 02/15/2005 5:27:01 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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To: sinkspur

Well remember...folks who can truly believe that the "real" pope was kidnapped/murdered and replaced with a clever phony - will have no trouble believing this was a phony Lucia, and God only knows what happened to the "real" Lucia.


16 posted on 02/15/2005 5:28:39 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Each piece of so called information contradicts the previous.

Actually, Sister Lucy and Cardinal Bertone contradict Gruner.

And, of course, that causes major diaper rash in some circles.

17 posted on 02/15/2005 5:29:54 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: sinkspur

When you have something else to offer other than ridicule let me know. Otherwise you aren't worth my time.


18 posted on 02/15/2005 5:32:18 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Sister Lucy and Cardinal Bertone contradict the goofball Gruner.

That's not ridicule. It's a fact.

19 posted on 02/15/2005 5:33:31 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: sinkspur

Sister Lucy hasn't spoken publicly since 1985. THAT is a FACT.

And she is Portuguese, not Spanish. I don't know why you think her N.O. funeral would be in Spanish.


20 posted on 02/15/2005 5:36:32 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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