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Did John Paul II Solve the Pedophilia Crisis Before We Even Knew About It?
Analysis of USCCB National Review Board report ^ | 3/8/05 | Dangus

Posted on 03/08/2005 5:08:12 PM PST by dangus

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1 posted on 03/08/2005 5:08:15 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus; Religion Moderator

The second chapter of the introduction was supposed to be smaller type. It is a preliminary explanation, and is confusing to read in that it looks like it belongs to the main body of the article, not the preface. Can you please change it to font size=2?


2 posted on 03/08/2005 5:10:28 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

What is ephibophilia? I tried two different dictionaries, and couldn't find definition.


3 posted on 03/08/2005 5:38:56 PM PST by Huntress (Possession really is nine tenths of the law.)
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To: Huntress

probably because of misspelling. I think it's ephebephilia--sexual attraction to adolescents.


4 posted on 03/08/2005 5:43:58 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: dangus
According to the John Jay report, 82% of the cases were homosexual abuse of teenage boys.

So this entire story is incorrect. The problem never was pedophilia, it was homosexual abuse. Chickenhawking. An integral part of the recruiting of the homosexual subculture.

The whole terminology of "pedophilia" was a media generated lie aided and abetted by a hierarchy overrun by active homosexuals.

5 posted on 03/08/2005 5:48:43 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (Rule One! No Poofters!)
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To: dangus; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
The crisis was in full bloom before Vatican 2.

This is supported by some of the 'allegations' now being raised in various dioceses by seasoned citizens. Unfortunately, the priests they accuse are now dead.

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6 posted on 03/08/2005 5:51:08 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: dangus
Truth: The crisis was in full bloom before Vatican 2.

This cannot be repeated often enough. It was Vatican II that allowed victims to start coming forward. They were largely ignored, or threatened, as was the Episcopal custom, as they had always been. But the audit trail likely goes back a hundred or more years.

The helping professions have always attracted homosexuals. Thus it has been, and thus it will always be.

7 posted on 03/08/2005 6:08:24 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: Huntress

It's a new class of sexual deviant created for the "sexual abuse/pedophile" crisis. While the numbers indicate that this largely was not true "pedophilia" as most people see it (pre-pubescent children), calling it what it actually was, homosexuality, goes against the prevailing agenda in the fantasy world of pop-psych and the media.

Well, that's my opinion.


8 posted on 03/08/2005 6:25:53 PM PST by Jaded (My sheeple, my sheeple....)
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To: Judith Anne

ephebophelia- the attraction to post-pubescent adolescents

pedophilia- attraction to pre-pubescent children


9 posted on 03/08/2005 6:34:27 PM PST by Jaded (My sheeple, my sheeple....)
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To: sinkspur
But the audit trail likely goes back a hundred or more years.

Easy to claim, but difficult to prove. Its likely the abuse peaked in the 60s/70s due to the libertine morals of the sexual revolution. Homosexuals were actively screened out of seminary up till the 40s and 50s. Its the following cohort that has the highest rates of abuse. Rates "going back a hundred or more years" are most likely miniscule compared to after they opened wide the windows to homosexuals starting in the late 50s (thus necessitating the 1961 Vatican reminder on the subject.)

10 posted on 03/08/2005 6:35:13 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (Rule One! No Poofters!)
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To: Jaded

ephebephilia, or ephebophilia are both correct spellings.


11 posted on 03/08/2005 6:45:17 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel
Homosexuals were actively screened out of seminary up till the 40s and 50s.

How do you know this? I think this is wishful thinking on your part.

Rates "going back a hundred or more years" are most likely miniscule compared to after they opened wide the windows to homosexuals starting in the late 50s (thus necessitating the 1961 Vatican reminder on the subject.)

Perhaps, but, like a wife who turns the other way while a child is abused by the husband, this has been a systemic problem in the Catholic Church, and other Churches as well, but the victims simply never reported anything to anybody (as children never reported abuse by a parent prior to the 1970s).

Who would believe a kid over a priest?

Homosexuals have always been in the priesthood, and will always be in the priesthood, no matter what the Vatican says or does.

12 posted on 03/08/2005 6:48:43 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: Huntress

Ephibophelia is a sexual attraction to post-adolescent boys.


13 posted on 03/08/2005 6:58:44 PM PST by dangus
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

How does it mean the article is incorrect? I agree entirely with your all your other statements, and expressed most of them in the article. In fact, I specifically noted that the headline was following the media's incorrect usage of the term.


14 posted on 03/08/2005 7:00:31 PM PST by dangus
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To: Huntress

Oops.. I mean post-pubescent boys.


15 posted on 03/08/2005 7:01:37 PM PST by dangus
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To: NYer

Thanks for the ping.


16 posted on 03/08/2005 7:14:59 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
In fact, I specifically noted that the headline was following the media's incorrect usage of the term.

Thanks for pointing that out. I would simply delete any references to "pedophilia", such as in your sentence,

"incidents of pedophilia (including ephibophilia)

Ephebophilia is NOT a subset of pedophilia; it has nothing to do with it. It is more appropriately termed pederasty. But nowhere should you use the term "pedophilia" in your own writing about the crisis, because it perpetuates the myth that it was EVER related to pedophilia. Catholics need to reject this notion and terminology out of hand. It was NEVER about pedophilia, though the USCCB consciously decided to use this deceitful term. It has always been about covering up the homosexual nature of the vast majority of the abuse.

Don't cooperate in that deception.

17 posted on 03/08/2005 7:15:43 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (Rule One! No Poofters!)
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To: sinkspur

Sinkspur, you're trying to support the argument, but your endorsement is a walking ad-hominem attack. Unfortunately, Vatican II did NOT allow victims to come forward; they didn't start coming forward for thirty or more years after Vatican II. And I flatly reject the notion that the priesthood is inherently homosexual.


18 posted on 03/08/2005 7:17:55 PM PST by dangus
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To: sinkspur
How do you know this?

From talking with priests who are spiritual directors and priest psychologists and psychiatrists, as well as retired priests. They will all tell you how homosexuals were screened out of seminary in the first half of the 20th century.

I think this is wishful thinking on your part.

Think whatever you like.

19 posted on 03/08/2005 7:18:34 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (Rule One! No Poofters!)
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To: sinkspur
has been a systemic problem in the Catholic Church

That's the main stream media and predominant pop culture view, and serves their anti-Catholic agenda well, doesn't it? There is no proof it has been a systemicc problem with the exception of notoriuos periods of history, such as the recent 1950s to 1980s, and other well known historical periods in particular areas at particular times.

But to flatly state is is and always was a "systemic problem" is to buy into revisionist and anti-Catholic histories, something faithful Catholics should be loathe to do.

Homosexuals have always been in the priesthood, and will always be in the priesthood,

Yes, man has sinned since Original Sin, even priests. This is news?

no matter what the Vatican says or does.

Or at least that is the hope of AmChurch...

20 posted on 03/08/2005 7:24:30 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (Rule One! No Poofters!)
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