Skip to comments.Walter Martin's "Kingdom of the Cults" now online!
Posted on 07/06/2005 7:28:43 AM PDT by sionnsar
If you have been looking for an online resource text to help you with apologetics--specifically that branch of apologetics dealing with the cults--here is an excellent resource: Dr. Walter Martin's renowned work The Kingdom of the Cults is now online. This is well worth your time and I think you will find it most helpful; Dr. Martin was known as "the father of Christian cult apologetics," and was founder and director of the Christian Research Institute in California. In our day when cults have become ever more prominent in the Western countries, this is truly a valuable resource.
This site also has the Handbook on Apologetics by Josh McDowell available as well, and if you are thinking about more general issues in apologetics, this may be helpful also.
Thanks for this post!! I've owned two copies of "Kingdom of the Cults". One, my grandmother, a Jehovah's Witness, destroyed, I think. At least it disappeared while she was visiting. A later edition, I lent to a friend who showed it to a Mormon friend, who tore it up in front of him.
You know it's good if it provokes that kind of reaction.
FYI - www.waltermartin.com has a listening library of Dr. Martin's tapes which is changed monthly. 2 or 3 times a year they also make the full 4-tape sets of "How to witness to Mormons" and "How to witness to a Jehovah's Witness" available for listening online.
Very interesting! Thanks.
Chapter 8 on the Theosophical Society is very accurate.
Most people do not realize how much influence the Theosophical Society has on "New Age" religion.
Cool, thanks. I just picked up a copy at a used book store. Its still pretty good but I could have done without the chapter on Father Divine (who the heck is that????)
Walter Martin was a vicious anti Catholic bigot!
Are you referring to the church which says that only if you submit to Rome and its traditions can person be saved? hmm
His book may not have been anti Catholic but the man was!
Nah, Mac is referring to the Catholics who believe this:
169 Salvation comes from God alone; but because we receive the life of faith through the Church, she is our mother: "We believe the Church as the mother of our new birth, and not in the Church as if she were the author of our salvation." Because she is our mother, she is also our teacher in the faith.
You must be thinking of some other church if it says submit to Rome. Elementary geography shows us one must leave the seven hills of Rome behind and cross the Tiber to get to the Vatican.
Thanks for the posts and links. We have "Kingdom of Cults" in our library, too.
If you can't see the difference between the Catholic Church and a heretical cult, then I don't really know what else to say.
Assuming what you say is true (I didn't see Catholics listed in his book), does that invalidate everything he has to say here? What's your point? That all those he lists as cults in this book are not cults and therefore there is zero value in this book?
Father Divine (who the heck is that????)
WHAT! You haven't seen the photos of black people in the 1930's and 40's holding posters saying 'FATHER DEVINE IS GOD"?
Father Divine (who the heck is that????)
WHAT! You haven't seen the photos of black people in the 1930's and 40's holding posters saying 'FATHER DIVINE IS GOD"?
Repost due to my incompetent spelling.
""Walter Martin was a vicious anti Catholic bigot!""
Didn't you see his elequent debate with a Fr. Paqua back in the 1980's on the John Ankerberg Show?
Could you name four or five leading scholars who, through their study of the Bible and, by contrast, Roman Catholic dogma, have become convinced that the Roman Catholic Church is a false church with a false gospel, but whom you would not categorize as "vicious bigots"?
huh? Where did I ever say that?
He was a protestant.
I suspect you feel that anyone who rejects Catholic Theology or teachings and publicly states his reasons is a viscious anti-Catholic bigot.
I have a very strong suspicion that this site does not have the publisher's permission to post these works.
I can find no statement on the site which enjoins readers to obtain permission before posting excerpts. So, this is really a non-issue. How about dealing with the content?
Undoubtedly. However many of the works posted on this site are by living authors with publishing contracts, such as Dave Hunt, Josh McDowell, Norman Geisler and John MacArthur, not to mention deceased authors who still have open copyrights such as Loraine Boettner and J. Vernon McGee. The copyright on Walter Martin's book was recently renewed with the Ravi Zacharias Edition.
This site apparently "Acknowledges" the copyrights, but does not claim permission to post them nor do many of these works contain the publisher's copyright notices.
While it would be nice if the publishers granted permission to post these works on-line, I suspect that they did not. I hope I am wrong, as this site contains many works which would be valuable, but I really do believe that many of these works are not being posted legally.
How about the commandment "Thou shalt not steal"?
Seeing that the OP of this thread does not actually quote any of the works, but only links to them, no harm, no foul.
No harm for FR, but what of that site?
Beyond our control, and it's their problem. We can control whether or not we quote or otherwise excerpt copyrighted works with or without permission on this site, but it is not our responsibility to ensure that they do so on their website.
My concern is not with the person who posted the thread, but with the person who posted the works on the internet. If these works are now in the public domain, then I would be tickled pink. I'd like nothing more than to use these works to start up some interesting discussions here on Free Republic. But I suspect that we would get into trouble if we did.
Then I suggest that you contact them and ask them directly.
Letter to Walter Martin's family:
I discovered a site on the internet that has the entire book Kingdom of the Cults posted. I suspect this is in violation of copyrights and if left alone could impact the revenues for the Estate of Dr. Martin.
Here is the link:
I would appreciate it if you could let me know if this is in violation of any copyrights owned by the estate or if they have permission to publish it.
I'll have to look him up, I never heard of him until I picked up Martin's book. I used to take out a copy from the Library once in awhile but it must have been a reprint because it didn't have Father Brown in it.
There are non-public domain books there that I paid big bucks for. I doubt if they're supposed to be there. I suspect major copyright infringement is going on there.
So, it's not just me?
I sent an email to Dr. Martin's web site advising them that their father's work has been posted for all to steal. I haven't heard back yet, but I'm sure they will advise the webmaster that they need to remove his works. There is another Walter Martin book that I have been thinking about buying on that site along with some Norm Geisler Books I paid about $50 for (see tag line).
For all the sympathetic Calvinists out there, please note that Dave Hunt's book "What Love is This" is also posted for all to steal.
You never know, though. I recently found online some books by a couple of my favorite 1970s Russian science-fiction writers -- including one or two books I hadn't read and are not in my collection. But apparently the Moscow library somehow owns the copyright now...
I suspect the web site owner thinks he is doing something good by providing free copies of these works to whoever finds them, but many of these people who write these books count on the income from the sales of these books to keep themselves from being poor. Other authors count on the sales to finance ministries.
If they have permission to post or if the copyrights have run out, then I am more than happy to see these works on the internet. I suspect, however, that the website has not obtained permission. We shall see. I have e-mailed Walter Martin's web site and hopefully I will receive a response soon. If the copyright has been relinquished or permission has been granted, then I'd be more than happy to use Martin's work as fodder for some.... interesting threads.
Four years later, still no answer to my question.
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