Skip to comments.Pop Culture Heros Help Recruit Priests
Posted on 08/13/2005 6:16:13 AM PDT by BulldogCatholic
Pop culture heroes help recruit priests By Julia Duin THE WASHINGTON TIMES August 11, 2005 An edgy poster showing a somber Catholic priest in full black cassock and sunglasses posed like "The Matrix" star Keanu Reeves is proving so popular that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has snapped up 5,000 of them. They'll be distributed starting Monday to the thousands of young people attending World Youth Day in Cologne, Germany, not only as guests of Pope Benedict XVI, but as targets for some gentle recruiting. The poster's creator, the Rev. Jonathan Meyer, 28, associate director of youth ministries for the Archdiocese of Indianapolis, says pop culture is the key to attracting young men to an occupation that has gotten bad press.
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Vatican II was announced in 1959 and convened in 1962. The Peace Corps wasn't conceived until 1960, and not founded until 1961. The kind of "vocations" you ridicule would be conciliar, not Traditional. Not that you should let silly things like facts get in the way of celebrating the New Springtime...
Outside of free republic one never runs into these Traditional kooks? Well I hate to tell you but they are all around you, and if these kooks "societies" had the unlimited resources as the Vatican, and were able to build church for church, there would be no one less at the NO mass or the church for that matter
As far as other discussion boards, you are correct as many of them ban any discussion on the horrors of the church and especially Vatican II and topics are limited to "womans clothing", "JPII (the new poster boy for the Vatican II church", some scripture (from the politically correct retranslated "New American Bible" (the V2 church even had to retranslate the Bible as the DR bible was just not PC enough for them and actually might be considered anti-semitic and not ecumenisitic enough) etc etc
How can you defend this anti catholic doctrine the church teaches now? It deviates from everything the church taught for 1962 years. It is the church which has stopped being Catholic, not Traditionalists.
If Traditionalists are in error today, then the church was in error pre Vatican II and we all know that is not the case
I would trust St Thomas of Aquinas over Annibelle Bungnini anyday!
*I don't participate in your heresy the Church established by Jesus teaches "anti Catholic doctrine."
Sorry you have lost the Faith. Blaming others won't help you get it back. Prayer will.
First off even the Novus ordo Post Vatican II church cant even get the poster right as their "priests" have not worn cassocks in over 40 years!
I am assuming that when you say Novus Ordo priest you mean any priest who celebrates the Novus Ordo Mass whether in Latin or the Vernacular and whether he wants to do so or not; not having the Indult to say the Tridentine Mass in his parish. As for the cassocks, my Novus Ordo priest does indeed where a cassock and the other priests around my parish in Detroit also where their cassocks. Feel free to come and see for yourself.
They are a sad group of old 1960 and 1970 radicals who are dismayed at the turn of events their expirimentation of the "flower power" years took. Only this time they took a generation of catholics with them.
A number are radicals, most are the go along type and a few; and growing number, are very true to the teachings of the Church from all the documents of the all councils and all the encyclicals. To one degree or another the vast majority of Novus Ordo priests serve the Church and their congregations; some much better than others, and sadly; a few not at all.
I would never let my children be catechised by this group of femi-nazi slack wearing "hip" nuns and Priests not to mention the laity who have taken over most of the teaching themselves as there are no priests left at the NO church and they themselves have no idea what the faith is.
Even in the rather liberal archdiocese of Detroit there are priests who do indeed teach catechism and teach it properly. My pastor insists on the use of the Baltimore catechism. A number of the younger diocesen priests I know, while wanting to use the Baltimore catechism and other worthy materials, have to wait until they get their own parishes.
My children are learning their cathechism from the 1917 Baltimore catechism taught by nuns who look like nuns.
We have nuns that look like nuns, meaning full habit and they also teach catechism from (gasp), the Baltimore catechism.
I once asked these wonderful group of woman if they get hot and if they ever are jealous of the Novus ordo nuns who dress in "regular" clothes and do you know what their reply was? They all said that wearing the full habit and traditional garb as all past nuns have, and the black which gets very hot is only a small sacrifice to pay for the suffering our Lord went through on calvary and his mother at the foot of the cross, and getting a bit hot in the summer is nothing as compared!
I once asked one of our full-habited, (black, dark grey and wool), Novus Ordo nuns if they got hot, (even here in Detroit it can get pretty hot in the summer-especially this summer), and how they managed. She didn't liken her suffering to the Blessed Mother or to our dear Savior, she simply and humbly stated that you get used to it.
When you talk to a Novus Ordo supporter or pastor, all they ever can rely on, cause they despise anything that is pre-councilar is JPII "Theology of the Body" or some other vague document that has a nice mix of conservatism and liberalism all packaged up nicely. So sad
Yes, it is indeed sad when a person paints with so broad a brush as you like to use. I do agree with you on this one point. The Novus Ordo Mass is what I think of as Mass-lite. I do believe it is valid, because the Church teaches that it is, and there are some things about it that I appreciate. Having said that, I admit most Catholics and their pastors who want the Novus Ordo in the vernacular only, do indeed seem to fear the Tridentine Mass. As to the documents of the Church, I doubt many of these lay Catholics understand what a pre-conciliar document is, much less if they agree with the document or not. And, those who do understand have not read the documents of Vatican II, certainly where the use of Latin and Gregorian Chant are concerned.
Most Catholics are used to the Novus Ordo Mass said in a language they can understand, and unfortunately, would feel like a fish out of water if they went to a Tridentine Mass. I wonder, though, what Christ wants of us most. Does he want us to leave the Church, to deride Her clergy because they do not live up to our standards; or, does He want us to stay by Her, with Her, in Her through all Her trials and tribulations?
I was not upset. And please note that Latin is really not the issue with most conservatives/traditionalists (well maybe some). A Traditional priest said recently at a retreat that the traditional societies would take the "Old Tridentine rite" in the vernacular (as long as the ICEL had nothing to do with it!) than the New Mass in Latin, which the Pope is trying to do and really is not the issue. The issue is the words of consecration were changed, 70% of the prayers thrown out, etc etc
God bless you
The question I always pose to those who throw the "schism" thing around is as follows, and I note you have placed much emphasis on the Bishops from another thread, is as follows:
If the Pope or for that matter tomorrow told you that he (she? soon to be?) told you to that Buddah had much to offer and as at Fatima where JPII allowed the Hindus to worship, your diocese as well as most other dioceses except for maybe 10% of the church's (which will still allow your Novus Ordo Mass but with "modifications") and you were to start incorporating some of the ways hindus, etc worship into your liturgy (and the Bishop can do what they want as we all know)...what would you do?
That is the same question that many Traditional Catholics were faced with after Vatican II and in the past 40 years. We have been told that we must worship like Protestants, only we are still going to call ourselves Catholics. No-you may have been able to sell that "obedience" line to the cafeteria catholics and the Kerry supporters who are Catholics (some 50% of catholics voted for the Pro abortion Kerry as well as Clinton). But it does not work on those that are real "Catholics" as handed down from the Apostles.
This is so absurd. You obviously know nothing about the reasons for the production of the NAB.
Early in 1944, in conformity with the spirit of the encyclical, and with the encouragement of Archbishop Cicognani, Apostolic Delegate to the United States, the Bishops' Committee of the Confraternity of Christian Doctrine requested members of The Catholic Biblical Association of America to translate the sacred scriptures from the original languages or from the oldest extant form of the text, and to present the sense of the biblical text in as correct a form as possible. ...
The Books of Genesis to Ruth were first published in 1952; the Wisdom Books, Job to Sirach, in 1955; the Prophetic Books, Isaiah to Malachi, in 1961; and the books of Samuel to Maccabees in 1969. (Preface to the NAB Old Testament)
Note the dates; I'd be interested in your explanation of how the "V2 church" could be issuing translations in 1952.
You are speaking of the Roman Canon, what the Church now calls Eucharistic Prayer I. Yes, in English the translation is poor, in Latin, it is the same as it always has been. So, Latin really is the issue here. It is indeed unfortunate that the beautiful prayers at the beginning of the Mass were tossed out, I think it had more to do with laziness than anything else. Also, intellectuals often sell us regular folks short and assume we don't understand what's going on, they have to simplify things so we'll "get it."
One of the sadder things about the English Mass are the translations of the Collects. My understanding is that before the vernacular you could choose among several missals for the translation you preferred, from very erudite to the more pedestrian. Even the less learned translations I've read are vastly superior to the bland and tasteless ICEL translations that must be used for the vernacular Mass today. But, I do appreciate the fact that there is a clear Epiklesis in Eucahristic Prayers II and III. I also like being able to say the Lord's Prayer.
Is there a picture of it anywhere?
Sorry, I didn't scroll down enough.
**I thought we Christians would be known for our living our lives in joy in Christ.**
Your dates are correct. I have a New American Bible, and it is older than Vatican II!