Posted on 11/08/2005 5:40:59 AM PST by NYer
Works for me... even better.
Not in front of the goyim!!!!!
This should give the conspiracy nuts some good fodder.
Wish we would have known sooner so then we'd all have a good reponse to "Is the Pope Catholic?"
Ein schande for de goyim!
Interesting, but flawed theory. My mother has a Jewish maiden name. They came from Czechoslovakia, but several generations earlier, her great-great-great (whatever) grandfather worked - and lived - on a farm owned by a Jewish family. He took their name because he had a permanent home on their land. So, although he was ethnically Czech, and religiously Byzantine Catholic, my mother's family had a Jewish surname.
This could be the case with the pope's mother's family.
That said, it would only increase the stature of John Paul to find out he had Jewish blood.
;-)
ROFL!
<< Works for me... even better. >>
Amen - Me too!
Blessings - Brian
BUMPping
He was probably a winemaker too, Zeller Schulze Katz.
Now, is it possible that some of Wojtyla's ancesters were Jewish? Of course and who cares? But that his mother was actually a practicing Jew who "married out" to a Catholic is so preposterous as to fail the stuck-on-stupid test. There'd be nothing bad about his having had a Jewish mother--as a Catholic I'd be pleased as punch if it were true. But what makes it preposterous is that he certainly would have known it and his father certainly would have known it and people around him certainly would have known it and we wouldn't be waiting for this dipstick sensationalist "researcher" to try to make a buck off of it. The "researcher" unspoken calumny is that Wojtyla hid his mother's identity, was ashamed of it, was, like all Catholics, dontcha know, a self-loathing anti-semite etc. This is a poison piece.
Could there be Jewish "blood" several generations back? Of course, but this guy has made no case for it. And he's using "Jewish" in a purely racial (racist?) way. Wherever in Wojtyla's family tree Jewish members might be found, at some point several generations before he was born, it's clear that they became practicing Catholics. The breathlessness with with media gloms on to something like this when having "Jewish" blood several generations back is no big deal in areas like Poland is silly. If it could be shown that his grandmother or great uncle or grandfather or mother were observant Jews, that would be significant but this guy has made nothing even close to an argument for that.
When I referred to covering up a putative Jewish background, I didn't have in mind hiding from the Nazis, though that of course could have been significant had he been of relatively direct Jewish background. I was thinking more of the common accusation that Catholics hate Jews and won't admit to having "Jewish blood" and certainly would never have elected a pope who was part Jewish, so, of course the sinister Catholics covered it up and John Paul the Great was really a hypocrite and closet Jew-hater etc. who on the surface spouted all this lovely Jewish-Catholic touchy-feely stuff but underneath was seething at the stigma he carried. That's where I see this "discovery" leading and that's why I argued that whatever else this guy was, a self-loathing secret Jew he was not, that if his mother or close ancestors were practicing Jews, it would have been known and if non-practicing ethnic Jewish blood several generations back is all we are talking about, who cares, which means the author is a self-promoting sensationalist.
I'm kind of with you on this one. It's great if it's true but I think it's a big stretch.
This comment sticks out too:
..."It would shed light on why the Pope had to go into hiding from the Nazis in November 1940.
"If he had been a pure ethnic Pole this would not have been necessary."...
The church was heavily persecuted by the Nazis in Poland. More than 1,000 priests were murdered at Dachau alone. He had to hide because he was a seminarian.
Thank God for Karol though, whatever his ethnic origin.
Yup, thank you very much.
This is the key sentence and it should have been placed at the beginning of the article and not at the end.
In summary, this geezer isn't sure, but thinks he might have been Jewish.
Whatever.
BS. He was black.
Seriously this article is not even funny.
photo of Emilia Wojtyla as a young woman
decide for yourself, if you like. JPII looked like her, and he looked very Polish, but she does look a little different somehow. Not that it really matters. Bless her for being the mother of such a son.
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