Skip to comments.Vatican may have found late pope's 'miracle'
Posted on 01/30/2006 7:43:33 AM PST by NYer
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) -- The Vatican may have found the "miracle" they need to put the late Pope John Paul II one step closer to sainthood -- the medically inexplicable healing of a French nun with the same Parkinson's disease that afflicted him.
Monsignor Slawomir Oder, the Catholic Church official in charge of promoting the cause to declare the late pope a saint of the Church, told Reuters on Monday that an investigation into the healing had cleared an initial probe by doctors.
Oder said the "relatively young" nun, whom he said he could not identify for now, was inexplicably cured of Parkinson's after praying to John Paul after his death last April 2.
"I was moved," Oder said in a telephone interview. "To think that this was the same illness that destroyed the Holy Father and it also kept this poor nun from carrying out her work."
John Paul suffered from Parkinson's Disease during the last decade of his life. His body trembled violently and he could not pronounce his words or control his facial muscles.
"To me, this is another sign of God's creativity," he said, adding that the nun worked with children.
He said Church investigators would now start a more formal and detailed probe of the suspected miracle cure.
The process that could lead to sainthood for John Paul began in May when Rome archdiocese published an edict asking Catholics to come forward with evidence "in favor or against" John Paul's reputation of holiness.
One proven miracle is required after John Paul's death for the cause to lead to beatification.
It must be the result of prayers asking the dead pope to intercede with God. Miracles are usually a physical healing that doctors are at a loss to explain.
Another miracle would be necessary between beatification and eventual sainthood.
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But, boy, they sure get to decide who's saved and who isn't!
I'll take your word for it. But I do have to say that you should make the effort to read about what the Catholic Church actually teaches and why, instead of holding to your particular caricature of the Church.
I apologize if I overreact, but there's a lot of people on Free Republic, whose only joy comes from going on the Catholic threads, with the intention to attack, belittle, and start flame wars between various Christian groups. I have never seen you post before, and I grouped you in with them. Now I know not to. The Communion of Saints, at least as I have been taught, are those people who have led exemplary lives, and should serve as examples of how Christians should live, and glorify God. We can ask them to intercede for us directly to God through Christ and with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We do not pray to them, or worship them, and it is understood that the glorification of saints is not theirs, but truly belongs to God. "All glory and honor is yours almighty Father, for ever, and ever"
>> I see the entertainment showed up early on this thread<<
High five, spot on!
I guess no more so than murder or abortion is to you.
If you want to pray to false idols I guess your right.. that's your business.
The entertainment was here already hense why I posted.
Yes, what Catholics do is indeed "our business." Which makes me wonder why you want to put your nose into it.
This is recognizing the work God has done in glorifying men, not gloryfying them on our own initiative. God glorifies the saints, we can only recognize his act in doing so.
This reads like the investigator has a vested interest in seeing that John Paul II is canonized. If that's the case then it should be no surprise that the "miracles" needed to confirm him as a saint WILL be found.
The story explicitly says the nun prayed to John Paul II.
It (the miracle) must be the result of prayers asking the dead pope to intercede with God. Miracles are usually a physical healing that doctors are at a loss to explain.
Which is exactly what I said in my previous post.
Also, when CNN says "the nun prayed to John Paul II", one needs to keep in mind that theological exactitude may not necessarily be conveyed by their choice of words.
To summarize, the nun's prayers to JPII were asking his intercession (i.e. prayer) before God on her behalf. It's the same as if I asked you to pray for me. I'm asking you to intercede before God on my behalf.
The reporter phrased it that way.
As you well know, from all the years of discussion here at FR, catholics do not pray to dead people. They ask those who have exemplified a holy life, to intervene on their behalf. In this particular situation, she asked, and it would seem he placed her request before our Lord.
Well, that's how Reuters puts it.
As I understand it, for a miracle to be credited to a saint (that is, a miracle by God in response to a saint's intercession) the petitioners must testify that they asked for that saint only to intercede, no others. Which apparently means telling your family and friends who might be praying for you - "John Paul only, don't ask the Blessed Mother, don't ask any one else." And I think it means not even asking God directly, but only through the saint's intercession.
I don't think I could limit myself that much; I'd be calling on all the big guns and everyone I loved who I believed was in heaven, and of course directly God, and I'd be asking people on earth to be praying to God, and since a lot of them would be Protestants...
Divine inspiration comes in many forms and is not limited to members of the Catholic Church. If a baker becomes divinely inspired and does great deeds that are useful to God, it doesn't necessarily follow that we need to go the bakers for our spiritual guidance.
I am not all about attacking the Catholic Church (follow the rest of my posts prior to this one), but I do like to see people think their way through as they concentrate on their beliefs and argue them. I merely point out that the fact that an argument sounds good, doesn't make it definitive.
God Bless you and those that compiled the New Testament.
You mean like that book you worship?
Just because her prayers were for intercession does not negate the fact that she was praying to JPII, which you seem to agree with in the highlighted text above. Therefore I'm not sure why you chastised that other poster for: 1) quoting the story, and 2) for posting something you ultimately agree with, that the nun prayed to JPII.
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