And this is what we find:
Now there may be other explanations for the above, but I suggest the burden is on the skeptic to provide one.
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Crazy so called Christian liberal extremists who don't want to believe in the majority view of the worldwide flood are pushing the jihad against Christians as much as their Muslim friends are pushing the war against the west.
But size isn't the real issue, isn't it? It's whether there were any survivors besides Noah and his family.
I have always assumed that the Bible is stories handed down from generation to generation and translated from language to language. I don't take everything literally.
I don't see how that makes the lessons, morals and customs any less valid or God any less real.
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The story of the flood, like the creation story itself, makes sense only as a fable or legend, not as scientific history. I know many who believe these stories literally happened won't be convinced otherwise by me, but even if we ignore the impossibility of a sudden earthwide flood, the sheer logistics involved in collecting and keeping all the the animals on earth alive is beyond anyone. Who went down and collected the koala bears? What did they feed the lions? Were there polar bears? Grizzlies?
It isn't just young earth versus old earth, it's small-world versus big world. The fable works on a small earth... not a big one.
Well, whatever...The flood was world wide. The Bible tells us, and one can always go sneek a peek at Grand Canyon and other huge canyons in other states. Those who choose not to believe it, too bad for them...
While I'm not going to "condemn" anybody, I don't think the language in Genesis would allow for anything other than a global flood.
Perhaps you should add a few words to the Hebrew. Words like destroy all flesh "nearby". Or cover all the mountains "within walking distance". You know, just a few little changes here and there and your theory would make perfect sense.
As it stands right now, the Book of Genesis clearly speaks of a global flood affecting all the earth. Sorry.
And this is what we find:
Now there may be other explanations for the above, but I suggest the burden is on the skeptic to provide one.
The reason that people don't want to believe in Christianity is because they are sinners and they like being sinners. The miracle of the flood is just another excuse.
I also see "Christian" creationist groups condem other Christians who believe the local flood is the literal interpretation.
More often than not I see evolutionist "Christians" condemning those who are fundamentalist in their beliefs; Christians who actually believe that God made the heavens and the earth and all that in them is in 6 days. The condemnation comes in the form of ridicule from those who refuse to believe what the bible clearly teaches.
It's time we start telling "Christian" groups like ICR and AIG to stop turning people away from the Bible...
It is the doubters who turn people away from the bible. It is the doubters who deny the truth of the bible and insist that the stories in the Bible are merely allegories or myths handed down from other pagan societies.
and tell them to stop their childish, immature attacks on other Christians (AIG recently refused to be subject to review, now there's the making of a cult!).
That is laughable. Who's attacking other Christians right now? Seems to me that this thread is an attack on "other christians", namely bible believing Christians. Making of a Cult? AIG is not even a church! Maybe you should stop your immature attacks on other christians before you demand the same from everyone else.
And it's time for Christians to stop blindly believing everything they are told, just because it comes from other Christians.
What those you attack believe is the Bible. You are the one who is blindly denying the truth of the bible and blindly following what others have told you. If, by "others", you mean Moses and Jesus, then yes, I am more than happy to blindly follow what they said. It will all be explained later. In the meantime I am required to believe no one but God.
Anything else?
Perhaps the flood was local and God killed all the other animals and people outside the flood zone automatically. Noah put a few local animals on the ark (whatever he could collect in time)
God then carved out the grand canyon and mountains and stuff and kept the ark protected via some sort of supernatural shielding.
After the flood God recreated the non-local animals and put them down where they were previously.
That explains everything.
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Obviously when they say the world was flooded back then, it could have easily been the whole known world.
I don't have a problem with that, that makes sense.
Also, nobody could know exactly where the Garden of Eden is because despite two modern river names being mentioned in the Bible, they could not have existed right where they were because of the flood mentioned in the Bible.
The river names may be the same, but only God knows where the rivers all ran before the flood.
Can't believe nobody has mentioned Bob Ballard's "local flood" theory! I like his take:
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/ax/frame.html
So why in the heck did Noah need an ark?
If it was a local event, like the destruction of Sodom, then then could have just walked to higher ground.