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Rome losing interest in reconciliation with SSPX?
DAILY NEWS BRIEF FROM CATHOLIC WORLD NEWS ^ | June 5, 2006

Posted on 06/06/2006 6:39:44 AM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 06/06/2006 6:39:45 AM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Rather an odd commentary, considering they published the following article on May 1, 2006.

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SSPX bishop rips Pope Benedict

May. 01 (CWNews.com) - A bishop of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) has harshly criticized Pope Benedict XVI and the teachings of Vatican II, raising new questions about the prospects for reconciliation between the Vatican and the schismatic traditionalist group.

Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais said that the Pontiff "has professed heresies in the past." While stopping short of calling the Pope a heretic, he added that "he has never retracted the errors."

The blistering charges by the SSPX bishop are likely to cool expectations of any immediate move to retore ties between the traditionalist group and the Holy See. Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior general of the SSPX, has voiced his disagreements with the Vatican in distinctly more diplomatic terms-- although Bishop Fellay, too, has indicated that he does not expect any quick reconciliation.

In an interview with the traditionalist publication The Remnant, the SSPX prelate charged that Introduction to Christianity, a book published by the future Pope in 1968 is "full of heresies." He said that the errors in the book included "the negation of the dogma of the Redemption."

Bishop Tissier de Mallerais said that he was disappointed with the leadership of Pope Benedict. "It has been year now, and he has done nothing!" he told The Remnant.

The bishop indicated his impatience with efforts to persuade traditionalist Catholics that the teachings of the Second Vatican Council should be interpreted in the light of Church tradition. "You cannot read Vatican II as a Catholic work," he insisted.

He also dismissed criticism that the SSPX is guilty of breaking communion within the Church hierarchy. "'Communion' is nothing; it is an invention of the Second Vatican Council," the bishop said. "'Communion' does not mean anything to me-- it is a slogan of the new Church."

2 posted on 06/06/2006 6:42:18 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

Dear NYer,

There are folks here who said that the SSPX should have dealt with Pope John Paul II, as they likely wouldn't get a better deal after him. Perhaps their crystal balls were especially lucid on that day.


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3 posted on 06/06/2006 6:52:04 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer
I think Fellay has it exactly backwards.

It's SSPX which is losing (has already lost) interest in reconcilation with Rome.

Exhibit "A" would be the comments of Bishop Tissier de Mallerais.

4 posted on 06/06/2006 6:59:17 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow; NYer

After the SSPX bishop's inflammatory comments, I don't see why Rome would WANT these guys back.


5 posted on 06/06/2006 7:00:43 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Dear AnAmericanMother,

"After the SSPX bishop's inflammatory comments, I don't see why Rome would WANT these guys back."

This may fall under the general category of "Burning Bridges."


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6 posted on 06/06/2006 7:05:37 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer
Rorate Cæli takes CWN to task for an imprecise translation of the Le Figaro article. This might shed some light on the issue. New Catholic of Rorate Cæli contends that it's not Rome that has lost interest.
Now, when one wishes to copy a non-profit monitoring service (that is our main job here), mentioning it is not completely necessary, but there must be at least a correct interpretation of the facts. It is true that Bishop Fellay, in the Le Figaro article, used the expression "l'élan de réconciliation"-- but, in this case, this cannot be translated as "enthusiasm", as if Rome had "lost the interest" (as some have WRONGLY interpreted). We chose the translation "movement" because Fellay expressly used, after "l'élan de réconciliation" the word "freiné" (that is, "halted", as in "frein", the "brake" of a machine or of a car).

How on Earth could this mean that "Rome has lost the interest" if Fellay himself says that the process has been halted, DESPITE the fact that it is willed by Pope Benedict, by forces in the Vatican or elsewhere??? Rome IS the Pope; Fellay says that the Pope wills the process; therefore, Rome has lost no "enthusiasm"... but non-papal forces IN Rome or "elsewhere" have succeded in "braking" it for now.
This is how Rorate Cæli translated the passage in question yesterday:
"My impression," he [Bishop Fellay] explains, "is that the movement to reconciliation willed by the Pope has been halted, at the Vatican or elsewhere".

He also recognizes, however, that, in any event, "nothing shall come, undoubtedly, before [their] General Chapter".


7 posted on 06/06/2006 7:06:43 AM PDT by Carolina
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To: sitetest
Well, it's burning bridges in a very public way, in the middle of delicate discussions about returning to the church . . .

. . . I can't help thinking that some (not all) of the SSPX are so invested in their opposition status that they just can't give it up. Being opposed and being angry have become their reason for being.

Maybe there'll be a split, and the folks who genuinely are concerned about the state of the Church can return and make a contribution towards reformation and improvement -- and the folks who just want to be mad at somebody can go on enjoying themselves.

8 posted on 06/06/2006 7:08:27 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Most of the SSPXers who wanted reconciliation joined FSSP.


9 posted on 06/06/2006 7:23:24 AM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: stop_fascism
That makes sense.

Our local FSSP parish is about as orthodox as anybody could IMAGINE anybody being . . .

10 posted on 06/06/2006 7:31:44 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Carolina

When it comes right down to it Lefebvrites are no different from any other schismatics throughout history. It does not matter if a person believes in 99.99% of what the Catholic Church teaches if that person also reserves to himself the right to sit in judgment of the Church's teachings and to choose which to accept and which to reject. Ultimately, if you cannot submit your mind and will to the judgemnt of the Church, you are a heretic or schismatic. SSPX patronizes Rome and presumes to teach Rome. They should reread St. Ignatius of Antioch's Letter to the Romans, where he humbly says that he does not presume to instruct the Roman Church as though he were a Peter or a Paul. But what St. Ignatius of Antioch (the greatest bishop of Asia, on his way to martyrdom) would not dare to do, these nobodies who lead SSPX presume to do. They should also read St. Augustine's contemptuous dismissal of the Donatists and their setting up of themselves against the whole Church of God. Schismatics are the same in every age. Many if not most schismatics were complaining against the "laxness" of Rome. They thought Rome was too soft. This was true of Hippolytus, of Tertullian, of Cyprian in his conflict with Popes Stephen and Cornelius (though he never went into schism), of the Donatists, of the Jansenists, of the Feeneyites. We tend to think of heresy as being being driven by a desire for a loosening of doctrine or morals. It is often quite the opposite. Many schismatics have been doctrinal or moral "rigorists". The spirit of schism is an ugly thing and its on full display in the SSPX leadership.


11 posted on 06/06/2006 7:41:33 AM PDT by smpb (smb)
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To: smpb
Fr. Z says: Go to the right or the left and you wind up in the ditch . He writes:
I am of the firm belief that the Catholic Church presents the only sure road for us in life. You can go into the ditch on either side of the road, the left or the right - take your pick. Either way, you are still in the ditch.
He compares both the Chinese Patriotic Association and the SSPX in their attitudes.
A common element in Rome’s conflict with the PCA and the SSPX are their illicitly consecrated, excommunicated bishops. More importanly, however, they are also deeply mired in the matter of religious liberty in one way or another. Simply put, in China the Party doesn’t want people to have religious liberty in the way the Church says they should. On the other hand, the SSPX doesn’t want people to have religious freedom in the way the Church says they should. Hey wait! Isn’t that pretty similar? The SSPX has always been a sharp critic of the Council’s document on religious liberty. This is the true sticking point. The liturgical question, as important as that is, and the matter of bishops etc., is all a side show easily resolved with the stroke of a pen. Religious liberty is the key.

...Pope Benedict is more than likely ready to grant all sorts of things liturgical to the SSPX. It hasn’t happened yet, but don’t you just know he wants to? However, when it comes to the theological dimension of the conflict, the SSPX would do better to come to the table and learn rather than demand. Unless of course their power players are now confortable with their hobby Church and don’t want to submit. Non serviam and all that… we’ll see.


12 posted on 06/06/2006 7:51:01 AM PDT by Carolina
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To: AnAmericanMother
How can they claim to be Catholic, when they cannot follow the teachings of the Church on obedience, communion with Rome, the Papal Primacy, etc...

The SSPX is vicious in it's attacks on the post Vatican II Papacy, from Pope John XXIII right up to Pope Benedict XVI, especially on those Popes who extended to the SSPX for reconciliation. They do not believe these Popes are legitimate, just like Protestants! I guess they do not under stand that the Holy Spirit guides the Church, and Vatican II was meant to come about. "The gates of hell shall not prevail against it".

The day will come when the SSPX leadership stands before Saint Peter, and I can imagine him asking of them, "So, why did YOU break from the Catholic Church?". All the while St. Peter is dangling the keys before them.

13 posted on 06/06/2006 7:55:26 AM PDT by Theoden (Why do you seek the cup of Christ, is it for his glory, or for yours?-Indiana Jones The Last Crusade)
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To: marshmallow; sitetest; AnAmericanMother; Frank Sheed
It's SSPX which is losing (has already lost) interest in reconcilation with Rome.

Agreed. Paul Likoudis has an interesting article in this week's edition of The Wanderer, with no links. However, he refers to Pope Paul VI's letter to Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, back in 1976. Though long, it makes for an excellent reference.

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POPE PAUL VI'S LETTER TO ARCHBISHOP MARCEL  LEFEBVRE

  (This letter was sent to Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre one month after he visited the Pope on September 11, 1976. The  archbishop had rejected parts of the Vatican II decrees and some of the subsequent post-conciliar enactments of the Holy See and had been the object of widespread publicity as he celebrated Tridentine Masses in various parts of Europe. In June, 1976, the archbishop had defied a direct order from the Pope not to ordain seminarians at the seminary he founded  in Econe, Switzerland. In this letter, the Pope told the archbishop that while pluralism in the church is legitimate, it must  be a licit pluralism rooted in obedience. The Pope said the archbishop, rather than practicing obedience, had propagated and organized a rebellion. This, he added, "is the essential issue" in the archbishop's regard. In this letter, the Pope outlined his conditions for rectifying matters, including a call for a declaration from the archbishop affirming adherence  to Vatican II, a declaration that, among  other  things, retracts accusations or insinuations leveled against the Pope. The text of the Pope's letter has been taken from Origins, NC Documentary  Service, December 16, 1976.)

  When  We  received you in audience on last September 11 at Castelgandolfo, We  let you freely express your position and your desires, even  though  the various aspects of your case were already well known  to Us personally. The memory  that We still have of your zeal for the faith and the apostolate, as well as of the good you have accomplished in the past at the service of the church, made Us and still makes Us hope  that you will once again become  an edifying subject in full ecclesial communion. After the particularly serious actions that you have performed, We  have once more asked you to reflect before God concerning your duty.

  We have waited a month.  The attitude to which your words and acts publicly testify does not seem to have changed. It is true that We  have before Us your letter of September 16, in which you affirm: "A  common   point unites us; the ardent desire to see the cessation of all the abuses that disfigure the church. How I wish to collaborate in this salutary work, with Your Holiness and under Your authority, so that the church may recover her true countenance."

   How  must these few words to which your response is limited —and which  in themselves are positive—be interpreted? You speak as if you  have  forgotten your scandalous words   and gestures against ecclesial communion—words   and  gestures that you have never retracted! You do not manifest repentance, even for the cause of your suspension a divinis. You do not explicitly express your acceptance if  the authority of the Second Vatican Council and  of the Holy See—and   this constitutes the basis of the problem—and you continue in those personal works of yours which the legitimate authority pas expressly ordered you to suspend. Ambiguity  results from the 'duplicity of your language. On Our part, as We promised you, We are herewith sending you the conclusion of Our reflections.

1.      In practice you  put yourself  forward  as the defender and spokesman of the faithful and of priests "torn apart by what is happening  in the church," thus giving the sad impression that the Catholic faith and the essential values of tradition are not sufficiently respected and lived in a portion of the people of God, at least in certain countries. But in your interpretations of the facts and in the particular role that you assign yourself, as well as in the way in which you  accomplish this role, there is something that misleads the people of God and deceives souls of good will who are justly desirous of fidelity and of spiritual and apostolic progress [emphasis added].

  Deviations in the faith or in sacramental practice are certainly very grave, wherever they occur. For a long period of time they have been  the object of Our full doctrinal and pastoral attention. Certainly one must not forget the positive signs of spiritual renewal or of  increased responsibility in a good number of Catholics, or the complexity   of the cause of  the crisis: the immense  change in today's world affects believers at the edge of their being, and renders ever more necessary apostolic concern for those "who are far away."

  But it remains true that some priests and members of the faithful mask with  the name "Conciliar" those personal interpretations and .erroneous practices that are injurious, even scandalous, and at times sacrilegious. But these abuses_cannot be attributed either to the Council itself or to the reform that have legitimately issued therefrom, but rather to a lack of authentic fidelity in their regard. You want to convince the faithful that the proximate cause of the crisis  is more than a wrong interpretation of the Council and that it flows  from the Council itself [emphasis added].

  Moreover,  you act as if you had a particular role in this regard.  But the mission of discerning and remedying the abuses is first of all   Ours; it is the mission of all the bishops who work together with Us. Indeed We  do not cease to raise Our voice against these excesses:   Our discourse to the consistory of last May 21 repeated this in clear terms. More  than anyone  else We hear the suffering of distressed   Christians, and We respond  to the cry of the faithful longing for  faith and the spiritual life. This is not the place to remind you,  brother, of all the acts of Our pontificate that testify to Our constant concern to ensure for the church fidelity to the true tradition, and to enable her with God's grace to face the present and future.

  Finally, your behavior is contradictory. You want, so you say, to remedy  the abuses that disfigure the church; you regret that authority in the church is not sufficiently respected; you wish to safeguard authentic faith, esteem for the ministerial priesthood and fervor for the Eucharist in its sacrificial and sacramental fullness. Such zeal would, in itself, merit our encouragement, since it is a question of exigencies which, together with  evangelization and the unity of Christians, remain at the heart of Our preoccupations and of Our mission.

  But  how can you at the same time, in order to fulfill this role, claim that you are obliged to act contrary to the recent Council in opposition to your brethren in the episcopate, to distrust the Holy See itself—which you  call the "Rome of the neo-modernist and neo-Protestant tendency"—and  to  set yourself up in open disobedience to Us? If you truly want to  work  "under Our  authority," as you affirm in your last private letter, it is immediately necessary to put an end to these ambiguities and contradictions.

2. Let us come  now  to the more precise requests which you formulated during the audience of September  11. You would  like to see recognized the right to celebrate Mass in various places of worship according to the Tridentine rite. You wish also to continue to train candidates for the priesthood according to your criteria, "as before the Council," in seminaries apart, as at Econe. But behind these questions and other similar ones, which We shall examine later on  in detail, it is truly necessary to see the intricacy of the problem: and the problem is theological. For these questions have become concrete  ways of expressing an ecclesiology that is warped in essential points.

  What  is indeed at issue is the question —which must truly be called fundamental—of   your clearly proclaimed refusal to recognize in its whole, the authority of the Second Vatican Council and that of the  Pope. This  refusal is accompanied by an  action that is oriented  towards propagating and organizing what must indeed, unfortunately, be called a rebellion. This is the essential issue, and it is truly un tenable.

   Is it necessary to remind you  that you are Our brother in the episcopate and moreover—a   fact that obliges you to remain even  more  closely united to the See of Peter—that you have been named  an assistant at the papal throne? Christ has given the supreme authority in his church to Peter and to the apostolic college, that is, to the  Pope and to the college of bishops una cum Capite.

   In regard to the Pope, every Catholic admits that the words of Jesus to Peter determine also the charge of Peter's legitimate successors: ". . .whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven"  (Mt. 16:19); ". . .feed my sheep" (Jn. 21:17); ". . .confirm your  brethren" (Lk. 22:32). And  the First Vatican Council specified in these terms the assent due to the sovereign pontiff: "The pastors of every rank and of every rite and the faithful, each separately and all together, are bound by the duty  of hierarchical subordination and of true obedience, not only in questions of faith and morals, but also in those that touch upon the discipline and government of the church  throughout the entire world. Thus, by preserving the unity of communion   and of profession of faith with the Roman pontiff, the church is a single flock under one pastor. Such is the doctrine of Catholic truth, from which  no one  can separate himself without danger  for his  faith and his salvation" (Dogmatic Constitution Pastor Aeternus, Ch. 3, DZ 3060).

   Concerning  bishops united with the sovereign pontiff, their power  with regard to the universal church is solemnly exercised in the ecumenical councils, according to the words of Jesus to the body of the apostles: ". . .whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven" (Mt. 18:18). And now in your conduct you refuse to recognize, as must be done, these two ways in which supreme authority is  exercised.

  Each  bishop is indeed an authentic teacher for preaching to the people entrusted to him that faith which must guide their thoughts and  conduct and dispel the errors that menace the flock. But, by their nature, "the charges of teaching and governing. . .cannot be exercised except in hierarchical communion with the head of the college and with its members" (Constitution Lumen  Gentium,  21; cf. also 25). A fortiori, a single bishop without a canonical mission does not have in actu expedite ad agendum, the faculty of deciding in general what the rule of faith is or of determining what tradition is. In practice you are claiming that you alone are the judge of what tradition embraces.

     You  say that you are subject to the church and faithful to tradition by the sole fact that you obey certain norms of the past that were decreed by the  predecessor of him to whom  God  has today conferred the powers given to Peter. That is to say, on this point also, the concept of "tradition" that you invoke is distorted [emphasis added].

    Tradition is not a rigid and dead notion, a fact of a certain static  sort which at a given moment of history blocks the life of this active organism which is the church, that is, the mystical body of Christ. It is up to the Pope and to councils to exercise judgment in order to discern in the traditions of the church that which cannot be renounced without infidelity to the Lord and to the Holy Spirit—the deposit of faith—and that which, on the contrary, can and must be  adapted to facilitate the prayer and  the mission of the church throughout a variety of times and places, in order better to translate the divine message into the language of today and better to communicate it, without an unwarranted surrender of principles.

  Hence tradition is inseparable from the living magisterium of the church, just as it is inseparable from sacred scripture. "Sacred tradition, sacred scripture and the magisterium of the church. . .are so linked and joined together that one of these realities cannot exist without the others, and that all of them together, each in its own way, effectively contribute under the action of the Holy Spirit to the salvation of souls" (Constitution Da Verbum, 10).

  With the special assistance of the Holy Spirit, the popes and the ecumenical councils have acted in this common way. And  it is precisely this that the Second Vatican Council did. Nothing that was decreed in this Council, or in the reforms that we enacted in order to put the Council into effect, is opposed to what the 2,000-year-old tradition of the church considers as fundamental and immutable. We are the guarantor of this, not in virtue of Our personal qualities but in virtue of the charge which the Lord has conferred upon Us as legitimate successor of Peter, and in virtue of the special assistance that He has promised to  Us as well as to Peter: "I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail" (Lk. 22:32). The universal episcopate is guarantor with us of this.

  Again, you cannot appeal to the distinction between what is dogmatic and  what is pastoral to accept certain texts of this Council and to refuse others [empahsis added]. Indeed, not everything in the Council requires an assent of the same nature: only what is affirmed by definitive acts as an object of faith or as a truth related to faith requires an assent of faith. But the rest also forms part of the solemn magisterium of the church to which  each member  of the faithful owes a confident acceptance and a sincere application.

  You  say moreover  that you do  not always see how to reconcile certain texts of the Council, or certain dispositions which We have enacted in order to put the Council into practice, with the wholesome tradition of the church and in particular with the Council of Trent of the affirmations of Our predecessors. These are for example: the responsibility of the college of bishops united with the sovereign pontiff, the new Ordo Missae, ecumenism, religious freedom, the attitude of dialogue, evangelization in the modem world. . . . It is not the place, in this letter, to deal with each of these problems. The  precise tenor of the documents, with the totality of it nuances and  its context, the authorized explanations, the detailed and objective commentaries which have  been made, are of such a nature to enable you to overcome  these personal difficulties. Absolutely secure counsellors, theologians and spiritual directors would be able to help you  even more, with God's enlightenment, and We are ready to facilitate this fraternal assistance for you.

  But  how  can  an interior personal difficulty—a spiritual drama which We  respect—permit you  to set yourself up publicly as a judge of what has  been legitimately adopted, practically with unanimity, and knowingly  to lead a portion of the faithful into your refusal? If justifications are useful in order to facilitate intellectual acceptance — and We  hope that the troubled or reticent faithful will have the wisdom,  honesty and  humanity  to accept those justifications that are widely placed at their disposal —they are not in themselves necessary for the assent of obedience that is due to the Ecumenical Council and  to the decisions of the Pope. It is the ecclesial sense that is at

issue.

  In  effect you and those who are following you are endeavoring to come  to a standstill at a given moment in the life of the church. By the same token you  refuse to accept the living church, which is the church that has always been: you break with the church's legitimate pastors and scorn the legitimate exercise of their charge. And so you claim not  even to be affected by the orders of the Pope, or by the  suspension a divinis, as you lament "subversion" in the church.

   Is it not in this state of mind that you have ordained priests  without dimissorial letters and against Our explicit command, thus  creating a group of priests who are in an irregular situation in the  Church and  who are under grave ecclesiastical penalties? Moreover,  you hold that the suspension that you have incurred applies only to  the celebration of the sacraments according to the new rite, as if  they were something improperly introduced into the church, which  you go so far as to call schismatic, and you think that you evade this  sanction when  you  administer the sacraments  according to the  formulas of the past and against the established norms (cf. I Cor. 14:40).

   From  the same erroneous  conception springs your abuse of celebrating the Mass called that of St. Pius V. You know full well that this  rite had itself been the result of successive changes, and that the Roman  Canon remains the first of the eucharistic prayers authorized today.

   The  present reform derived its raison d'Stre and its guidelines  from the Council and  from the historical sources of the liturgy. It enables the laity to draw greater nourishment from  the word of God. Their more  active participation leaves intact the unique role of the priest acting in the person of Christ. We have sanctioned this reform by Our  authority, requiring that it be adopted by all Cath olics.

   If, in general, We have not judged it good to permit any further delays or exceptions to this adoption, it is with a view to the spiritual good and the unity of the entire ecclesial community, because, for Catholics of the Roman rite, the Ordo Missae is a privileged sign of their unity. It is also because, in your case, the old rite is in fact the expression of a warped ecclesiology, and a ground for dispute with the Council and its reforms under the pretext that in the old rite alone are preserved, without their meaning being obscured, the

 true sacrifice of the Mass and the ministerial priesthood.

   We  cannot  accept this erroneous judgment, this unjustified accusation, nor can We tolerate that the Lord's Eucharist, the sacrament  of unity, should be the object of such divisions (cf. I Cor. 11:18), and that it should even be used as an instrument and sign of rebellion.

  Of course there is room in the church for a certain pluralism, but in licit matters and in obedience. This is not understood by those who  refuse the sum total of the liturgical reform; nor indeed on the other hand by those who imperil the holiness of the real presence of the Lord and of his sacrifice. In the same way there can be no question of a priestly formation which ignores the Council.

  We cannot therefore take your requests into consideration, because it is a question of acts which have already been committed in rebellion against the one true church of God. Be assured that this severity is not dictated by a refusal to make a concession on such and such a point of discipline or liturgy, but, given the meaning and the extent of your acts in the present context, to act thus would be on Our  part to accept the introduction of a seriously erroneous concept of the church and of tradition. This is why, with the full consciousness of Our duties, We say to you, brother, that you are in error [emphasis added]. And with the full ardor of Our fraternal love, as also with all the weight of Our authority as the successor of Peter, We invite you to retract, to correct yourself and to cease from inflicting wounds upon the church of Christ. [emphasis added]

 3. Specifically, what do We ask of you?

  A.—First and foremost, a declaration that will rectify matters for Ourself and also for the people of God who have a right to clarity and who can no longer bear without damage such equivocations.

  This declaration will therefore have to affirm that you sincerely adhere to the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council and to all its documents—sensu  obvio —which  were adopted  by  the Council fathers and approved and promulgated by Our authority. For such an adherence has always been the rule, in the church, since the beginning, in the matter of ecumenical councils.

   It must be clear that you equally accept the decisions that We have made  since the Council in order to put it into effect, with the help of the departments of the Holy See; among other things, you must explicitly recognize the legitimacy of the reformed liturgy, notably of the Ordo Missae, and our right to require its adoption by the entirety of the Christian people.

   You  must  also admit the binding character of the rules of canon law now in force which, for the greater part, still correspond with the content of the Code of Canon Law of Benedict XV, without excepting the part which deals with canonical penalties.

   As  far as concerns Our person, you will make a point of desisting from  and retracting the grave accusations or insinuations which you have publicly levelled against Us, against the orthodoxy of Our faith and Our fidelity to Our charge as the successor of Peter, and against Our immediate collaborators.

  With  regard to the bishops, you must recognize their authority in their respective dioceses by abstaining  from  preaching in those dioceses and administering the sacraments there: the eucharist, confirmation, holy orders, etc., when these bishops expressly object to your doing so.

  Finally, you must undertake  to abstain from all activities (such as conferences, publications, etc.) contrary to this declaration, and formally to reprove all those initiatives which may make use of your name in the face of this declaration.

  It is a question  here of the minimum   to which every  Catholic bishop must  subscribe: this adherence can tolerate no compromise. As soon  as you show  Us that you accept its principle. We will propose the practical manner of presenting this declaration. This is the first condition in order that the suspension a divinis be lifted.

  B.—It will then remain to solve the problem of your activity, of your  works, and notably of your  seminaries. You will appreciate, brother, that in view of the past and present irregularities and ambiguities affecting these works, We cannot go back on the juridical suppression of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X. This has inculcated a spirit of opposition to the Council and to its implementation such as the Vicar of Christ was endeavoring to promote.

  Your  declaration of November   21, 1974, bears witness to this spirit; and upon such a foundation, as Our commission of cardinals rightly judged, on May 6, 1975, one cannot build an institution or a priestly formation in conformity  with the requirements of the church of Christ. This in no way invalidates the good element in your seminaries, but one must also take into consideration the ecclesio-logical deficiencies of which We have spoken and  the capacity of exercising a pastoral ministry in the church of today. Faced with these unfortunately mixed realities, We shall take care not to destroy but to correct and to save as far as possible.

  This is why, as supreme guarantor of the faith and of the formation of the clergy, We require you first of all to hand over to Us the responsibility of your work, and  particularly for your seminaries.  This is undoubtedly a heavy sacrifice for you, but it is also a test of your  trust, of your obedience and it is a necessary condition in order that  these seminaries, which have no canonical  existence in the church, may in the future take their place therein.

  It is only after you have accepted the principle that We shall be able to provide in the best possible way for the good of all the persons involved, with the concern for promoting  authentic priestly vocations and with respect for the doctrinal, disciplinary and pastoral requirements of the church. At that stage. We shall be in a position to listen with benevolence to your requests and your wishes and, together with Our departments, to take in conscience the right and

opportune measures.

  As  for the illicitly ordained seminarians, the sanctions which they have incurred in conformity with  Canon 985,7  and 2374  can be lifted, if they give proof of a return to a better frame of mind, notably by  accepting to subscribe to the declaration which We have asked of you. We count  upon your sense of the church in order to make this step easy for them.

  As  regards the foundations, houses of formation, "priories" and various other institutions set up on your initiative or with your encouragement, We  likewise ask you to hand them  over to the Holy See, which will study their position, in its various aspects, with the local episcopate. Their survival, organization and apostolate will be subordinated, as is normal throughout the Catholic Church, to an agreement which will have to be reached, in each case, with the local

bishop —nihil sine Episcopo —and in  a spirit which respects the

declaration mentioned above.

  All the points which figure in this letter and to which We have given mature consideration, in consultation with the heads of the departments concerned, have been adopted by Us only out of regard for the greater good of the church. You said to Us during our conversation of September 11: "I am ready for anything, for the good of the church." The response now lies in your hands.

  If you refuse— quod Deus avertat—to make  the declaration which is asked of you, you will remain suspended a divinis. On the other hand, Our  pardon and the lifting of the suspension will be assured you  to the extent to which you sincerely and without ambiguity undertake  to fulfill the conditions of this letter and to repair the scandal caused. The obedience and the trust of which you will give proof will also make it possible for Us to study serenely with you

your personal problems.

  May  the Holy Spirit enlighten you and guide you towards the only solution that would enable you on the one hand  to rediscover the peace of your momentarily misguided  conscience but also to ensure the good of  souls, to contribute to the unity of the church which the Lord has entrusted to Our charge and to avoid the danger of a schism.

  In the psychological state in which you find yourself, We realize that it is difficult for you to see clearly and very hard for you humbly to change your line of conduct: is it not therefore urgent, as in all such cases, for you to arrange a time and a place of recollection which  will enable you to consider the matter with the necessary objectivity?

  Fraternally, We put you on  your guard against the pressures to which  you could be exposed  from those who  wish to keep you in an untenable position, while We Ourself, all your brothers in the episcopate and  the vast majority of the faithful await finally from you that ecclesial attitude which would be to your honor.

  In order to root out the abuses which we all deplore and to guarantee a true spiritual renewal, as well as the courageous evangelization to which the Holy Spirit bids us, there is needed more than ever the help and commitment  of the entire ecclesial community around the Pope and  the bishops. Now the revolt of one side finally reaches and risks accentuating the insubordination of what you have called the "subversion" of the other side; while, without your own insubordination, you would  have  been able, brother, as you expressed the wish in your last letter, to help Us, in fidelity and under Our authority, to work for the advancement of the church.

  Therefore,  dear brother, do not delay any longer in considering before God, with the keenest religious attention, this solemn adjuration of the  humble but  legitimate successor of Peter. May you measure  the gravity of the Hour  and take the only decision that befits a son of the church. This is Our hope, this is Our prayer.

From the Vatican, October 11,1976

14 posted on 06/06/2006 8:39:15 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Carolina; sitetest; BlackElk
In 1976, Pope Paul VI called out Lefevbre publicly and in correspondence to him. He scolded him at length (see The Wanderer, June 6,2006) and everything Pope Paul said has been proved true. Here are a few samples from the rhetorical whipping rightly administered by Pope Paul

"...Moreover you hold that the suspension that you have occured (Lefevbre ordained priests at Econe after having been specifically told by the Pope not to)applies only to the celebration of sacraments according to the new rite, as it they were something improperly introduced into the Church, which you go so far as to call schismatic, and you think that you evade this sanction when you administer the sacraments according to the formulas of the past and against established norms...

In your case, the old rite is in fact the expression of a warped ecclesiology...

Of course there is room in the Church for a certain pluralism, but in licit matters and in obedience.

As far as concerns Our person, you will make a point of desisting from and retracting the grave accusations or insiunations which you have publicly leveled against Us, against the orthodoxy of Our faith, and Our fidelity to Our charge as the Succesor of Peter...

That was THIRTY years ago. Yet, we all know what happened. He refused to close Econe. He continued to caluminate the Pope. He continued to attack the Mass. He continued to attack the Ecumenical Council. He called the Pope the AntiChrist. Even after being warned not to ordain Bishops, he went right ahead and ordained them anyways.

And some consider him the champion of "tradition."

Fellay appears, if possible, even less stable and reliable than the progenitor of the schism. Fellay calls the normative mass "evil," and he rejects an Ecumenical Council and he thinks Jews as a race are cursed.

This has been going on for THIRTY years.

I used to wonder why the Popes just didn't formally excommunicate the bunch lock, stock, and barrel.

Then, it occured to me. Our Sweet Jesus on Earth, the Pope, acts like Jesus did towards Judas. Jesus loved Judas until the end. He tried to set him right. Even when Judas betrayed Him with a kiss, He responded with love. But, in the end, He let Judas go and hang himself.

The Popes loved Lefevbre. They tried to set him right. Even after he betrayed them they loved him. Even after he called the Pope the AntiChrist, the Pope loved him and tried to bring him back. But, in the end, the Pope let him hang himself.

Even now, after 30 years of unrelenting hatred, lies, opposition, heresies etc etc, the Pope, with love and charity meets with them and tries to bring them back into the fold.

We are Blessed to be alive during the reigns of such loving, briliant, orthodox,Christian,Popes.

As for the sspx? Outside of FR and the schismatic press, NOBODY either knows or cares about them. They are too busy being faithful Christians

15 posted on 06/06/2006 8:51:52 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: Theoden
How can they claim to be Catholic, when they cannot follow the teachings of the Church on obedience, communion with Rome

I suppose you could say that about a lot of regular parishes in our country. They're just a little more quiet about it...

16 posted on 06/06/2006 8:56:03 AM PDT by technochick99 ( Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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To: bornacatholic

You are right on with the following statement.

"As for the sspx? Outside of FR and the schismatic press, NOBODY either knows or cares about them. They are too busy being faithful Christians".

That is very true most Catholics in any Country or Continent just want to get on with their Spiritual Lives and everything associated with it as well as witrh their temporal lives.

Amen to what you have said -- Brother in Christ. You were on the money with regard to everything that you said in this Post.


17 posted on 06/06/2006 8:56:21 AM PDT by warriorforourlady (I Love Pope Benedict, The XVI. Our Lady, Help of Christians protect him and guide him.)
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To: NYer

I would like to make two comments for consideration. First, Bishop Fellay may well be in a bind as he has pushed for greater links with the Church and an election is coming up soon, I believe. This puts him in a tough spot to some degree and this may be a political move on his part. That is, the SSPX in France has put things on hold as Caroline has pointed out.

Second, we must observe what is happening in France, the Mother of the Church in Europe (via the Holy Roman Empire). The French N.O. Church is so depleted that "outrider priests" appear every third Sunday or so and say Mass for congregations as small as only a few people. Since the French government technically owns the Churches, and as Muslim congregations are growing, there is precedent for turning over Catholic Churches to Muslims for the purpose of forming mosques. The SSPX has a very large following in France. There are many priests in their seminaries and the congregations are large and growing. In considering Cardinals for France, the head of the French Episcopal Conference was chosen by Pope Benedict over the Archbishop of Paris. The Burgundian Cardinal is known to be highly sympathetic to the SSPX since they are still Catholic!

The Holy Father does not wish to "lose" France as he re-evangelizes Europe. Many countries are almost beyond help including perhaps Italy. I would not put too much stead in anything being said now as it is pure posturing. Europe must be preserved and this Pope knows that.

F


18 posted on 06/06/2006 9:03:40 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: bornacatholic
Even now, after 30 years of unrelenting hatred, lies, opposition, heresies etc etc, the Pope, with love and charity meets with them and tries to bring them back into the fold.

We are Blessed to be alive during the reigns of such loving, briliant, orthodox,Christian,Popes.

This seems to be totally true. The Holy Father in his wisdom and as our Shepherd, is still trying to return these Catholics to the flock.

19 posted on 06/06/2006 9:10:19 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: Theoden
The SSPX is vicious in it's attacks on the post Vatican II Papacy, from Pope John XXIII right up to Pope Benedict XVI, especially on those Popes who extended to the SSPX for reconciliation. They do not believe these Popes are legitimate, just like Protestants!

Can you back this up, or are you just repeating what you've heard?
20 posted on 06/06/2006 9:11:46 AM PDT by Slugworth
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