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Pope Against Pop Music In Mass
Adnkronos International ^ | 06262006 | AKI

Posted on 06/26/2006 11:48:53 AM PDT by FJ290

Vatican City, 26 June (AKI) - Pope Benedict XVI has called for traditional sacred music to be played during mass, condemning the ongoing custom of contemporary music at religious celebrations. "Updating sacred music is possible, but this cannot happen unless it follows the tradition of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphony," the pontiff said on Sunday on the sidelines of a concert in the Sistine Chapel. A skilled pianist with a predilection for Bach and Mozart, Benedict XVI spoke against a custom reportedly appreciated by his more informal predecessor John Paul II, who worked very hard throughout his papacy to make the Church more appealing to the younger generations.

In an interview published in Turin-daily La Stampa on Monday, the former Archbishop of Ravenna, veteran Cardinal Ersilio Tonini also condemned the practice saying that "Benedict XVI is right, mass is a meeting with God and to meet God sacred music is better than the turmoil of electric guitars, hand clapping and the husstle and bustle of disorderly sounds."

Tonini said that 40 years ago after the Second Vatican Council "making mass more popular and inviting could be understood." However, the cardinal added, "we exaggerated and now I believe it is legitimate to consider as over this season of breaks with tradition."


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1 posted on 06/26/2006 11:48:57 AM PDT by FJ290
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To: FJ290

I guess he doesn't watch Sister Act in his spare time.

Pop music is entertainment, not worship. I agree with the pope.


2 posted on 06/26/2006 11:50:25 AM PDT by sine_nomine (Marvel at the Senate's No Mexican Left Behind Bill (wit cloned from M. Steyn))
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To: FJ290

Hymns, Harps, Flutes only ping.


3 posted on 06/26/2006 11:50:35 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: FJ290

He ain't the only one.


4 posted on 06/26/2006 11:50:54 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (Bring Back Torre (There's new grass on the field))
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To: FJ290
"Updating sacred music is possible, but this cannot happen unless it follows the tradition of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphony," the pontiff said on Sunday ...

That's polo ponies!


5 posted on 06/26/2006 11:52:47 AM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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To: FJ290
The problem is the old "give 'em a yard, and they'll take an inch." Liturgical abuses were widespread in teh 70's & 80's with drum adn guitar solos.

The Mass is a sacred liturgy, and not a pop or rock concert.

If you want to have a music concert, do it after Mass.

6 posted on 06/26/2006 11:53:04 AM PDT by CWW (GOP 2008 Dream Ticket -- George Allen (Pres) and Mark Sanford (V.P.))
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To: FJ290
I cannot understand why....


7 posted on 06/26/2006 11:53:13 AM PDT by Fighting Irish (Ever find yourself posting messages just to show off your taglines?)
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To: sine_nomine

We have a great parish, but I do miss the traditional hymns, many of which are beautiful. It's sad that most of the songs that are sung are from the mid eighties or more recent.


8 posted on 06/26/2006 11:54:56 AM PDT by saveliberty (Dessert Cart Democrats - they ate their advantage. Now they are in trouble LOL)
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To: FJ290

I LOVE this POPE!! I don't like these new age Masses at all.


9 posted on 06/26/2006 11:55:41 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: HaveHadEnough

What does that mean...polo ponies?


10 posted on 06/26/2006 11:56:22 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: sine_nomine

Good call, worship needs to be different than a Madonna concert


11 posted on 06/26/2006 11:56:22 AM PDT by rovenstinez (,)
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To: FJ290

This is fairly major, really. Whence the "guitar," "folk," or other Mass?

It's going to be difficult to get rid of the trend, I think, although I'd visit more Catholic churches if they returned to traditional Masses.


12 posted on 06/26/2006 11:56:33 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: FJ290

I'm one of the ones who likes the contemporary worship songs. They do speak to me and would hate to see them gone. Our parish does a good job, within a single Mass, of mixing various types of music, which I also appreciate


13 posted on 06/26/2006 11:57:10 AM PDT by rightthinkingwoman
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To: FJ290
Pope Against Pop Music In MassM

I wish he would feel the same way about a pop-Cardinal in Los Angeles.

14 posted on 06/26/2006 11:57:26 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: All

I meant this to show up in the Religion section. If the moderators of FR want to move it, that would be fine with me.

I made a goof somewhere. Sorry!


15 posted on 06/26/2006 11:57:30 AM PDT by FJ290
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To: FJ290
I know I've said this in the past, but the music in church today is getting out of hand. At some masses we can have as many as 5 songs before the homily. At a church I used to attend in Houston, TX - the head choir woman would stand outside the doors before and after mass to great people/get an ego boast from people saying they liked the music.
16 posted on 06/26/2006 11:57:31 AM PDT by SengirV
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To: Suzy Quzy
Polyphony. Poloponies. Polo ponies.

Okay. I admit it. It doesn't work if you aren't a Honeymooners fan.
17 posted on 06/26/2006 11:58:29 AM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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To: FJ290
Stupid hippy guitar Mass - hurry up and die!

9:00 AM Mass, no music - church full.
10:30 AM hippy guitar Mass - nine people.
12:00 noon Mass, sung according to Missal - church bursting.

Translation: stupid hippy guitar Mass is an utter waste of time and parish resources.

18 posted on 06/26/2006 11:58:32 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: FJ290

"New York, London, Paris, Munich – everybody talk about, mm, pop muzik

Talk about pop muzik. Talk about pop muzik.

Pop, pop, pop muzik! Pop, pop, pop muzik!"


19 posted on 06/26/2006 11:58:33 AM PDT by fhlh (Polls are for Strippers.)
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To: saveliberty

They should remove everything from the hymnal written after 1960. (And at that I'm being generous. My own preference would be to dump everything since 1900).


20 posted on 06/26/2006 11:58:57 AM PDT by Argus
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To: HaveHadEnough

Thanks..?


21 posted on 06/26/2006 11:59:53 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: sine_nomine
I agree too. I'm getting ready to look for another church to see if I can find one that worships rather than entertain through music. My dau sings at our church and I went with her last week to find an accompaniment CD for her. I listened to a lot of the music and was just horrified. It was all about "me"--how I love the Lord, but more likely what He did for ME. Now, that has a place. But this is almost ALL the music. I really miss the old music that not only has beautiful music for corporate worship, but has words that is about who our God is.
22 posted on 06/26/2006 11:59:55 AM PDT by twigs
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To: FJ290; livius; ArrogantBustard; Carolina; CT-Freeper
Don't want to leave you all out!

Whoooo Hoooooo! Three cheers for our good Pope!

23 posted on 06/26/2006 11:59:56 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: SengirV

bttt


24 posted on 06/26/2006 12:00:02 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Suzy Quzy

I hate the old south, baptist type, music.


25 posted on 06/26/2006 12:00:47 PM PDT by tbird5
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To: fhlh

LOL!


26 posted on 06/26/2006 12:01:31 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: FJ290

if you wanna sound evangelical, BE evangelical


27 posted on 06/26/2006 12:01:49 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: FJ290

this is not gonna sit well with the Rock Band Christians.. LMAO!


28 posted on 06/26/2006 12:01:53 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: FJ290
Having grown up participating in those guitar masses, I have to say I dont blame the Pope for saying something about this. However, I do think it rather silly to say no "new" music ever. I think what a lot of churches have moved away from is keeping to the Liturgy. Now all the music is the Christian Rock which doesnt have anythng but a Protestant focus and slant on things...whereas the guitar/folk choirs I helped lead were diligent in remaining true to the Liturgy and the theme of the Church seasons. We considered our music as backup to the priest, not as a set piece for entertainment and the priest was just a nice little formality to wrap it all up.

At one point or another, all those "old, traditional" songs were Brand New. I have come to appreciate the Older stuff now, but it is also fun for me to listen to the songs and try to pick out what time period they were from. Certain eras have prevalent styles and its because those songs reflected a newness of their time.

29 posted on 06/26/2006 12:02:20 PM PDT by Alkhin (http://awanderingconfluence.com/blog ~ Tributaries)
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To: FJ290
"Updating sacred music is possible, but this cannot happen unless it follows the tradition of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphony," the pontiff said

Well of course!! I remember reading right there in my Bible the requirements for music to be either of the tradition of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphony

Benedict XVI is right, mass is a meeting with God and to meet God sacred music is better than the turmoil of electric guitars, hand clapping and the husstle and bustle of disorderly sounds."

Well yeah...no clapping that's right out.

But hey whatever floats your boat. I'm not much on some of the 'new' worship services myself. Not to this level though

30 posted on 06/26/2006 12:02:33 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: sine_nomine

I agree with the Pope too, and I'm not even Catholic. And I agree with your comment: contemporary "worship" music is more entertainment than worship.


31 posted on 06/26/2006 12:03:09 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Kenny Bunkport

entertainment vs worship is in the attitude of the beholder


32 posted on 06/26/2006 12:04:07 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: FJ290
What about modern arrangements of tranditional music? Our church plays almost all its music on guitars, and asynthesizer with drums, horns and occassionally a bass. My son plays drums on occasssion and it has actually made him more interested in the church, especially since the church seems interested in his talents.

IT is interesting that the Pope likes Bach and Mozart--two musicians who shattered the molds when its came to the music of their respecitve times. Both were considered extremely radical.

33 posted on 06/26/2006 12:05:46 PM PDT by Military family member (GO Colts!!)
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To: The Red Zone

That is true, but it is also in the attitude of the worship team (primarily).


34 posted on 06/26/2006 12:06:07 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: billbears

Are you a Catholic?? We don't clap in Church unless it's to recognize someone.


35 posted on 06/26/2006 12:06:24 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: FJ290

The "guitar Mass" used to be the place to meet babes in the late 60s along with the "coffee house" in the church basement.


36 posted on 06/26/2006 12:06:47 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: fhlh

37 posted on 06/26/2006 12:07:00 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: Alkhin
Having grown up participating in those guitar masses, I have to say I don't blame the Pope for saying something about this. However, I do think it rather silly to say no "new" music ever.

I agree on no to music that is not respectful, but I LOVE the music of the St. Louis Jesuits, Bob Dufford, etc. I think that if the pope is against this type of music, some young people will not relate as well to the liturgy. I find this music to be inspirational and VERY scripture-based.

38 posted on 06/26/2006 12:07:22 PM PDT by Heartland Mom (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: sine_nomine

The Pope is right on in his pronouncement. Now I hope he follows up and actually does away with this music in all masses, Teen masses included. Then I hope he does away with lay readers of Holy Scripture in mass. I say this as an orthodox Lutheran.


39 posted on 06/26/2006 12:07:36 PM PDT by Lutheran Loft II
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To: Cinnamon

There's a place for Christian rock as long as there is a market for it. But corporate worship in church is not the place.


40 posted on 06/26/2006 12:07:52 PM PDT by twigs
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To: Kenny Bunkport

as an evangelical, i ask the congregation don't applaud me but give glory to God


41 posted on 06/26/2006 12:08:16 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: FJ290

I have to agree. Pop music, especially the insipid pieces that pass for sacred music stink.

It's just bad. Bad music. Bad lyrics that mangle the Psalms. Bad tempo. And my very pet peeve, the 1/2 key that the choirs are usually off.


42 posted on 06/26/2006 12:08:24 PM PDT by OpusatFR ( ALEA IACTA EST. We have just crossed the Rubicon.)
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To: Military family member

What Parish do you belong to?


43 posted on 06/26/2006 12:08:24 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Wonderful! This is a really forthright statement!


44 posted on 06/26/2006 12:08:29 PM PDT by livius
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To: FJ290
...but this cannot happen unless it follows the tradition of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphony," the pontiff said...
I know what polyphony is, but what is sacred polyphony?

Cordially,

45 posted on 06/26/2006 12:08:53 PM PDT by Diamond
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To: Admin Moderator

Shouldn't this thread be in Religion?


46 posted on 06/26/2006 12:09:03 PM PDT by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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To: FJ290

Good he's right! : )


47 posted on 06/26/2006 12:09:23 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Ann Coulter = The Conservative Diva)
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To: Lutheran Loft II

I love the traditional music that's part of the Catholic service where the priest sings part of the service. I know that I'm not describing it correctly--and I'm not Catholic. But it's lovely.


48 posted on 06/26/2006 12:09:38 PM PDT by twigs
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To: wideawake
Our 10:00AM Mass is sung according to Missal, it has the same result, bursting at the seams.

The 4:50 Virgil Mass is the guitar Mass. I avoid it like the plague

49 posted on 06/26/2006 12:10:15 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: Diamond

No doo-wops?


50 posted on 06/26/2006 12:10:26 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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