Posted on 10/16/2006 8:27:21 AM PDT by NYer
Live by papalotry, die by papalotry.
LOL, you modernists are pathetic. What you can't comprehend is that your hero Torq would come after you FIRST.
And an anti-psychotic. Maybe we should buy stock in Pfizer?
Athanasius is the examplar. And a good one.
"This speak the communion-in-the-hand types who love the guitars and belly dancers on the "altar" (when there is one) and other similar improvements that have come from Vatican II?
* I read the Vatican Two Documents. I never encountered those things."
You obviously don't understand the "Spirit of Vatican II".
I have had a few pastors who, I believe, might be happy to explain these "improvements" to you.
Or else spend some time at the website of Oregon Catholic Press, the provider of songbooks, liturgy planning guides, and missalettes for most of the "Catholic" churches in the United States. http://www.ocp.org/en/
"SSPX is already very much like the CPC in that both are institutions of the excommunicated."
Why then are so many Catholic dioceses in the U.S. giving faculties to visiting CPC padres?
How so? Athanasius never willing separated himself from Holy Mother Church. He never announced that Holy Mother Church taught heresies.
"Athanasius never willing separated himself from Holy Mother Church."
Nor has the SSPX.
"He never announced that Holy Mother Church taught heresies."
Neither has the SSPX.
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Who are you implying did do this?
Uh-oh.
Damn sitetest, you too?
Hear! Hear! Understand that the charity BE has, he reserves strictly for law breaking Mexicans. Precious little left for nostalgic misguided traditionalists.
The only "charity" I have for SSPX is that they be punished enthusiastically and not re-admitted (as in allowed to return) to the Church from which they are expelled without total humiliation, abject renunciation of their errors, and absolutely NO CONDITIONS demanded by the excommuinicati whatsoever. I would have had the same attitude about Arius, the Pelagians, the Donatists, the Albigensians, Wycliffe, Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Napoleon Bonaparte, Henry VIII, and Elizabeth I for precisely the same reasons.
Most Mexicans are my fellow Catholics. NONE of the SSPX schismatics justly and wonderfully excommunicated by John Paul the Great are Catholic at all. Which reminds me: John Paul the Great was pope. He ruled on these criminals. You ought not make assumptions that Fellay governs Benedict XVI or any other pope. If Fellay or anyone else thinks that SSPX will be readmitted unrepentant and be in charge of its own affairs and be allowed to fire on target at Vatican II and make believe they were never declared schismatic and never excommunicated in Ecclesia Dei, keep whatever they are smoking away from your or at least my kids.
Again, John Paul the Great was pope and he made the decisions. It is about time that the SSPX phonies and other faux "trads" accepted reality and submit to authority or be, ummmm, darned and ruthlessly so. They are getting what they richly deserve.
Let us further not ignore that Red China is a totalitarian state. The United States is not. Nor is England. Nor, whatever their drawbacks as nations, are most (all?) countries where SSPX dips its excommunicated toe. It is said that married men were ordained in Czechslovakia during the communist era there and required to retire as priests when fredom re-emerged.
SSPX is a schismatic, excommunicated evil. Like most of us tell our kids: the sins of others do not justify yours. Likewise, SSPX's arguments from imagined moral equivalency do and ought to fall on deaf ears.
Which dioceses and priests have you in mind that harbor CPC priests? Which bishops preside over this? I have heard that some CPCs study in the Vatican but will not presume the reason why the Vatican allows it. Hopefully it is the fine Roman hand. There are none in Rockford and none are likely while Bishop Doran draws breath.
Ummmm, yes, Athanasius was the scourge of the Aryans and the defender of the Faith and the Church. He was not an excommunicated schismatic making trouble for its own sake like dead excommunicated Marcel and his co-conspirators.
Interestingly, Elinor of Aquitane, widow of Henry II, was safeguarding in her castle at Canossa in Italy Pope Gregory VII from the wrath of the Holy Roman Emperor (HINO Roman Emperor more accurately) who stood across her moat all winter long wearng sack cloth and ashes as personal penance for his attempts to name German bishops (Boy, did he pick on the wrong pope on that subject!). Gregory VII had placed the entire Holy (INO) Roman Empire under interdict: No Masses, no sacraments, no weddings, no funerals, no Catholic burials, as a punishment for the emperor's assumption of the papal prerogative to name all bishops (precisely the crime of the excommunicated SSPX schismatics!!! Gregory VII, pray for Benedict XVI and your Church!).
Thanks for a good post and God bless you and yours!
AND, UMMMMM, I must be the kind of modernist who now attends only the Tridentine Mass (for reasons of convenience) at St. Patrick's in Rockford although, scandal of scandal, young Fr. Geary also says Novus Ordo Masses and each and every Mass he says is quite valid. Not only that but he is in communion with our Bishop Doran and with the Holy Father unlike those adhering to some schisms of the excommunicated we could mention.
Hatred of pope and papacy was never known to be a precondition of Catholicism or even a condition of Catholicism. Rather it seems like a disqualifier to those claiming to be Catholic. What you call papalotry goes like this: John Paul the Great justly excommunicated and declared schismatic Marcel and his partners in ecclesiastical crime and their adherents. John Paul the Great never lifted those penalties and neither has Benedict XVI. Either the penalties will continue or they will not. If they do not that will be only through a decision of Benedict XVI. IF (a very BIG IF) Benedict XVI allows the miscreants to return, I think it unwise and I would be disappointed, but it is his call and his call alone. Whatever he decides will have my loyalty. That is what you call papalotry. That is what I call Catholicism.
Unless and until there is any papal decision to allow the SSPX to RETURN to the Church, I am free to hope that the SSPX be subjected to maximum punishment and humiliation and I do.
One pope at a time. If he makes prudential errors, he is still pope. I expect that the SSPX ooompah propaganda machine is wrong and that they will submit in humility or remain excommunicated. At a minimum, we won't see the raving anti-Semite Holocaust denier Williamson back because you can bet your house he will not willingly return. I would be fascinated to see how de Mallerais will have to back and fill to try to ignore his particularly poisonous schismatic expressions. Fellay MIGHT be able to engage in contortions necessary to the hypocritical high wire act, but I very much doubt it. If any purport to return, they should be ruthlessly kept under the microscope if not permanently cloistered.
If you ask me if I care whether you get back to me, the answer will be: not in the slightest.
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