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On Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition
Orthodox Advices ^ | 1981 | Elder Cleopa of Romania

Posted on 11/11/2006 8:16:16 AM PST by annalex

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To: Ottofire

"You must admit that when teaching has fallen away from Gods truth, he always seems to put the train back on the rails through a remnant."
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I couldn't agree more. I think how the Canon was formed is a case in point.


51 posted on 11/12/2006 5:05:56 PM PST by wmfights (Psalm : 27)
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To: annalex; wmfights; betty boop; William Terrell; Quix; Gamecock; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings
Paul entrusts the heavy burden of the instruction of the people to Timothy and not to the faithful.

Oops...don't tell that to Timothy. :O)

52 posted on 11/12/2006 5:24:17 PM PST by HarleyD (Mat 19:11 But He said to them, Not all receive this word, except those to whom it is given.)
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To: HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg

Ping to above.


53 posted on 11/12/2006 5:24:50 PM PST by HarleyD (Mat 19:11 But He said to them, Not all receive this word, except those to whom it is given.)
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To: Iscool
Everything that is needed for salvation is written in the scripture and it is verified by the very scripture you need to study...

Neither 1 John 5 or John 20 say that.

1 John 5 (and many other similar passages) state that the faith is Christ is necessary for salvation. John 20:31 adds to that that the Gospel of John is written to aid in that beleif. Neither passage says that the scripture is sufficient alone. In fact both passages say that it is faith and not the written word that is necessary, but even as regards faith the passages do not say that it is sufficient, and in fact we know from other scripture that it is not.

54 posted on 11/12/2006 5:25:53 PM PST by annalex
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To: HarleyD

Hmmmm


55 posted on 11/12/2006 5:31:17 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Gamecock; Kolokotronis

The article speaks of the Holy Tradition with the capital T. Every community of faith, even among the Catholics, have differences in tradition in the everyday sense of the word. For example, different particular churches even inside Catholicism say different prayers at different times, the priests dress differently, the faithful fast differently, etc. The entire body of tradition of course varies even more greatly with the Orthodox; and when the unity of the two great Churches, Catohlic and Orthodox is finally restored, these traditons will remain different.

As to the Holy Tradition, it is by and large the legacy of the Church of the Seven Councils that exited as a single communion till 1054. This we have in common with the Orthodox.

The Catholic Church had some innovations as per the living magisterium, for example, it elaborated on the concept of purgatory, the papacy, and mariology. In these areas you find significant differences with the Orthodox, but these are not properly Holy Tradition for the Catholic, but rather magisterial teaching.


56 posted on 11/12/2006 5:36:34 PM PST by annalex
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To: HarleyD; wmfights; betty boop; William Terrell; Quix; Gamecock; 1000 silverlings
don't tell that to Timothy

Do you have a scriptural argument with the Elder?

57 posted on 11/12/2006 5:38:22 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex

-The Catholic Church had some innovations as per the living magisterium, for example, it elaborated on the concept of purgatory, the papacy, and mariology. In these areas you find significant differences with the Orthodox, but these are not properly Holy Tradition for the Catholic, but rather magisterial teaching.-

Magisterial teachings are considered infallible teachings?

If so, then the OC is heretical?


58 posted on 11/12/2006 8:19:22 PM PST by Ottofire (Fire Tempers Steel)
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To: Ottofire; Gamecock; Kolokotronis; Agrarian; NYer; Dr. Eckleburg
But since the big T traditions differ about, lets say Purgatory and the Authority of the RC pope...

Neither the Purgatory nor the authority of the Pope are something the Church believed "everywhere and always." Purgatory was unknown to most of the Undivided Church of the 1st millennium. Papal authority was also perceived differently, and still is.

Therefore Purgatory and Papal jurisdictional authority are not part of the Holy Tradition. Holy Tradition must be in harmony with the Scriptures because the Christian Bible you read is the product of that Tradition, in other words, Faith delivered to the Apostles. To the best of my knowledge, papal jurisdictional authority is not defined in the Bible, and neither is the Purgatory.

You also can't speak of Protestants in terms of the Holy Tradition, because, as far as the uninterrupted Church of God is concerned, the Protestants, even though they are faithful and loving Christians, are unfortunately not part of the Church (and this is not meant as an insult, so please do not take it that way).

59 posted on 11/12/2006 9:06:09 PM PST by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: annalex; wmfights; betty boop; William Terrell; Quix; Gamecock; 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg
Do you have a scriptural argument with the Elder?

With all due respects, I think it is a tad pompous for some to be telling others, "We're much smarter than you because we're 'learned men'." I thought it was the Holy Spirit's job to lead us to "all truths".

60 posted on 11/13/2006 4:11:59 AM PST by HarleyD (Mat 19:11 But He said to them, Not all receive this word, except those to whom it is given.)
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To: kosta50

" Holy Tradition must be in harmony with the Scriptures because the Christian Bible you read is the product of that Tradition, in other words, Faith delivered to the Apostles."
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Once the Canon was formed the "oral Tradition" should have ended, but it didn't. It was made an equal of Scripture. A terrible human flaw to manipulate facts in order to empower themselves and their organization.


61 posted on 11/13/2006 4:57:30 AM PST by wmfights (Psalm : 27)
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To: wmfights
Once the Canon was formed the "oral Tradition" should have ended, but it didn't. It was made an equal of Scripture. A terrible human flaw to manipulate facts in order to empower themselves and their organization

But human flaw continues through human interpretation of the Scripture. Suerely you don't suggest that of the tens of thousands of diffrent "versions" of Protestantism, they all represent "equal" interepetation of Scripture. Please, don't tell me some people are above error.

However, you still don't seem to understand that Holy Tradition is not a human tradition any more than the Holy Bible is a human invention. Holy Tradition is what the Church believed "everywhere and always," from the Penetecost onward. It doesn't change, it doesn't grow, it doesn't develop.

62 posted on 11/13/2006 6:05:55 AM PST by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; wmfights
It doesn't change, it doesn't grow, it doesn't develop.

BWWWHHAAAA!

That's funny! < wiping tears from eyes>

Thanks for the belly laugh!

63 posted on 11/13/2006 6:09:59 AM PST by Gamecock (Pelagianism is the natural heresy of zealous Christians who are not interested in theology. J.I.P.)
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To: HarleyD; JockoManning

With all due respects, I think it is a tad pompous for some to be telling others, "We're much smarter than you because we're 'learned men'." I thought it was the Holy Spirit's job to lead us to "all truths".

= = = =

Now, Harley,

Agreeing with you about Holy Spirit is a 2nd miracle in half a year. That's entirely tooooooo many. Must be 2 over your alleged allotted allottment.

I think I should go lie down before I fall out of my chair in a dead faint from the shock of it all.


64 posted on 11/13/2006 7:05:13 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Ottofire
Magisterial teachings are considered infallible teachings?

Not necessarily; it depends how they are made. Certain fundamental elements of the teaching on Purgatory, Mary and the Papacy are indeed infallible and they prevent unification. However, it does not make the Orthodox heretical, largely because heresy requires acceptance of the teaching followed by its rejection. Our view is that these sticking points are elaborations on the traditional teachings and not in contradiction with them. One who disagrees with the elaboration nevertheless is not in heresy as long as he adheres to the traditional core.

65 posted on 11/13/2006 7:51:41 AM PST by annalex
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To: HarleyD
I think it is a tad pompous for some to be telling others

Wouldn't that depend on who is doing the telling and to whom?

66 posted on 11/13/2006 7:53:02 AM PST by annalex
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; betty boop; William Terrell; Quix; Gamecock; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings

Thwe Westminster Confession is not consistent with the scripture itself. For example, human authoriship as well as divine inspiration are scriptural facts; the selection of books that the Confession considers inspired is arbitrary work of the authors of the Confession, tracing back to Luther and not to any divine source; the notion that Church follows scripture is nowhere in the scripture, yet it obviously is one of those things "necessary to be known, believed, and observed for salvation".

Your opening quotes from the scripture do nothing to support the fantasies in the Confession or rebut the Elder's analysis. John 6:35 speaks of the person of Jesus and not of the scripture; Matthew 4:4 does not make the distinction between written word and any other word of Christ, of which, scripture tells us not all are written down (John 21:25)


67 posted on 11/13/2006 9:28:29 AM PST by annalex
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To: kosta50
"But human flaw continues through human interpretation of the Scripture."

I can't disagree with our failures to interpret sometimes, but why compound this problem by empowering a small elitist group to tell everyone what and how to think. If you look at our history as Christians it seems pretty self evident that the Holy Spirit will put us back on track when we stray.
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"Holy Tradition is what the Church believed "everywhere and always," from the Penetecost onward."

That is historically just untrue. Your "Holy Tradition" is what your sect decided it would be. It is unverifiable because it was not written down, witnessed and measured against Scripture. The most inaccurate information is that which is passed on orally from one generation to the next. Each generation will add or detract from the "alleged" facts based on the political pressures of the times. The change to the information may be well intended but make the information is suspect at best.
68 posted on 11/13/2006 10:21:49 AM PST by wmfights (Psalm : 27)
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To: wmfights; Gamecock
why compound this problem [?] by empowering a small elitist group to tell everyone what and how to think

Everybody is doing that, not just a small "elitist" group. Besides, I can't think of a more pompous elitist group than Calvinists.

Your "Holy Tradition" is what your sect decided it would be. It is unverifiable because it was not written down, witnessed and measured against Scripture

You are saying nonsense. Actually, you are describing the Protestant community while trying to describe the legitimate Church of Christ. So, if anything, Protestant assemblies are true sects.

The Church can trace its way back to the Apostles. It's authority is based on apostolic authority passed on to the priesthood ordained by the Apostles (such as +Ignatius, ordained by +Peter). Your assemblies can trace their originis to a man, Luther. Your ordinations are not apostolic. It is a man-created church. As such, its legitimacy is on the par with Islam, which sprang up out of a man as well.

We have documents that show how the nascent Church was and what it believed and how it went about its worship. All of ti was approved by the still living Apostles. Your sects sprang up 1,500 years later, and made up their own ocnfessions and rules. In Germany of all places.

Please do not ping me agian, poth of you. It's a waste of my time.

69 posted on 11/13/2006 11:53:14 AM PST by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: annalex

Doesn't describe at all how I construe Scripture and/or reality.


70 posted on 11/13/2006 12:09:10 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: wmfights

Well put.

If Christ had intended elites to rule, run, define the church . . .

He'd have much more likely had 12 disciples like the learned Paul and Luke.

He didn't. A cantankerous fiesty fishermen and his cohorts and a tax collector! LOL.


71 posted on 11/13/2006 12:10:55 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: kosta50; wmfights; Gamecock

Actually, we can trace our roots to Christ. You trace your only as far back as the current version of tradition takes you.


72 posted on 11/13/2006 12:11:16 PM PST by Gamecock (Pelagianism is the natural heresy of zealous Christians who are not interested in theology. J.I.P.)
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To: kosta50

It is a man-created church. As such, its legitimacy is on the par with Islam, which sprang up out of a man as well.
= = = =

WRONG.

Were it so, Holy Spirit would have NEVER rested on any Protestants . . . yet He HAS blessed countless millions through very heavy and miraculous anointing on many servants of a variety of Protestant stripes and degrees of learning . . . particularly degrees of unlearning.

Clearly, Holy Spirit disagrees with the post I'm responding to.


73 posted on 11/13/2006 12:13:06 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: kosta50

Actually,

The Romanist politically successful group of "MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS" sprang up as theological conquerors a few hundred years after the Apostles of Jesus dusty pathed days.


74 posted on 11/13/2006 12:14:36 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha!!!!!!

You actually got that out with a straight face, right? I'm impressed.

75 posted on 11/13/2006 12:33:58 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Actually,

The Romanist politically successful group of "MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS" sprang up as theological conquerors a few hundred years after the Apostles of Jesus dusty pathed days.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

I usually have little problem stating the plain historical truth.


76 posted on 11/13/2006 12:39:08 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

You seem to be having trouble stating the Plain Historical Truth (tm) today. Here's some plain historical truth for you: the Catholic Church, established by Jesus Christ, has successfully defended the true faith against all manner of heresies, in spite of massive persecution, for almost 2000 years.


77 posted on 11/13/2006 12:44:39 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I consider it rather difficult to defend anything against anything several hundred years before one's existence.

BTW, Historical revisionism is not the exclusive property of the Romanist Church any more than it is of any other group.

I still consider it rather cheeky so many centuries before Marx to co-opt the MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS gig vis a vis the other Christian leaders around the Mediteranian. But actually, it was more cheeky against Our Lord and His standard of being servant of all vs elitist rulers over all.

He was rather clear to the pharisees how He felt about THAT! LOL.


78 posted on 11/13/2006 12:59:27 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Here's some plain historical truth for you: the Catholic Church, established by Jesus Christ, has successfully defended the true faith against all manner of heresies, in spite of massive persecution, for almost 2000 years.
= = = =

Sounds much MORE like the historical revisionist

HOMELY HISTERICAL HOGWASH (tm),

to me


79 posted on 11/13/2006 1:01:02 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

The Westminster Confession doesn't?


80 posted on 11/13/2006 1:04:19 PM PST by annalex
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To: Quix
I consider it rather difficult to defend anything against anything several hundred years before one's existence.

I'm not doing that. Nor am I committing any form of historical revisionism. I leave for you to do, if you see fit. Denying several hundred years of the existence of the Catholic Church certainly qualifies. And I couldn't care less what you find "cheeky".

co-opt the MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS gig vis a vis the other Christian leaders around the Mediteranian.

You're entitled to your own opinion. Inventing your own set of "facts" puts you beyond the pale of civil discourse.

elitist rulers over all.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

81 posted on 11/13/2006 1:09:14 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: annalex

The Romanist perspective I was responding to, doesn't.


82 posted on 11/13/2006 1:15:04 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: ArrogantBustard; HarleyD; wmfights; Gamecock

elitist rulers over all.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
= = = =

How incredibly fascinating . . .

A thread is posted defending, affirming, pontificating about, lauding, supporting . . . elitist rulers of a presumed universal Christian church.

And then NOTING and disagreeing with that construction on reality is called bearing false witness?

Fascinating.

Hey, Bro Calvinists . . . have we fallen down the Rabbit Hole again? Has the Matrix unloaded? Has the Wizard of Oz lost his suspenders, his smoke and mirrors? What gives?

Different perspectives and constructions on reality is par for the course on such threads . . . but this sort of reality revisionism seems to be utterly off the wall . . . and the wall was the funny farm to begin with! LOL.


83 posted on 11/13/2006 1:19:31 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Inventing your own set of "facts" puts you beyond the pale of civil discourse.
= = = =

My perspective on that is that inventing one's own set of historical revisionist falsehoods and calling that

GODLY

is enormously well and galactically BEYOND "beyond the pale."


84 posted on 11/13/2006 1:20:51 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
inventing one's own set of historical revisionist falsehoods and calling that GODLY is enormously well and galactically BEYOND "beyond the pale.

Then I'd advise you to refrain from such behaviour in the future. I certainly shall, as I have in the past.

85 posted on 11/13/2006 1:28:47 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Quix
A thread is posted defending, affirming, pontificating about, lauding, supporting . . . elitist rulers of a presumed universal Christian church.

You must be looking for another thread ... you've spectacularly failed to describe this one. Try the "Fine Young Calvinist" thread ... I'm sure you'll find it fascinating. I certainly do ...

The rest of your post, being premised on falsehood, is utter rubbish.

86 posted on 11/13/2006 1:33:06 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

as I have in the past.
= = =

Not my habit, either! LOL.


87 posted on 11/13/2006 1:40:25 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: ArrogantBustard

you've spectacularly failed to describe this one.
= = = =

Must be speaking of a different galaxy for that to be true.


88 posted on 11/13/2006 1:41:23 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: ArrogantBustard

is utter rubbish.
= = = =

I think God is an exceedingly better assessor of what is and is not rubbish . . .

than is the elitist, pharisaical, tradition bound; traditions of men bound; politically powerful; politically arrogant; politically manipulative; UNBiblical Romanist hierarchy.


89 posted on 11/13/2006 1:43:17 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
You seem to be contradicting yourself, here. Does the "Romanist politically successful group" still exist today? Where could I find its adherents? By what name does it call itself?

No real entity that I'm aware of matches your descriptions.

Either:

1) You are describing some group that I've never heard of.

or

2) You are falsely describing some group that I have heard of.

or

3) You're describing some figment of your imagination.

90 posted on 11/13/2006 1:47:43 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

4) Am fairly accurately describing a group, many adherents of which seem to live in chronic denial about it's clay feet and particularly the clay feet of it's elitist leaders and it's historical revisionism.


91 posted on 11/13/2006 1:52:10 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

Answer my questions, please.


92 posted on 11/13/2006 1:53:21 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I find it nice when folks ask me something and I reply in an earnest, honest and accurate way with a pretty clear answer . . .

for said folks to treat it at least somewhat that way.


93 posted on 11/13/2006 2:01:06 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
1) Does the "Romanist politically successful group" still exist today?

This is a simple question, requiring only a yes/no answer.

2) Where could I find its adherents?

This one's a bit more complex ... in might require recourse to a phone book or perhaps a street map. Still not beyond your capabilities. Anyone who can use the internet should be able to manage.

3) By what name does it call itself?

This one should require no research at all on your part. You seem to have invented the term, so you must certainly know what it means.

Let's have answers to these three questions ... it's impossible to have a meaningful discussion unless we are sure we're talking about the same thing.

94 posted on 11/13/2006 2:05:54 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I don't recall seeing an idiot in the mirror when I got up this morning.

And I'm certain that Romanist believers on FR are not idiots.

I also don't recall surrendering my posting decisions, criteria for truth; my style decisions; how I frame reality and the truth . . .

over to

anyone else.


95 posted on 11/13/2006 2:13:43 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
I'll ask you one last time to answer my three questions. Please have the courtesy of answering those three questions, so that we may speak plainly.

If you continue to refuse, I shall have to draw conclusions based on your other posts, and on the fact of your refusal to answer. Since mind-reading is not permitted in the religion, I will not attempt to state for certain what you mean by "Romanist politically successful organization" ... but I shall treat your posts as though you are either falsely describing something I know about, or are entertaining us with figments of your imagination.

96 posted on 11/13/2006 2:26:44 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Quix

My apologies: that should read "Since mind reading is not permitted in the religion forum &c."


97 posted on 11/13/2006 2:28:17 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; All

I try to post the truth.

Sometimes I post satire to make a truthful point--though haven't here.

I take no responsibility for any readers' personal choices and responsibilities for what they do with the truth I post.

It is well and easily known what group I've been posting about. It's been obvious that I haven't abandoned discussing the group the thread was posted in praise of. That's well known. Pontifications to the contrary are merely that and not overly impressive ones, at that.

I have no illusions or delusions about my skills in helping pigs fly; pigs sing; cows fly; pig's ears into silk purses; leaping tall buildings with a single bound; making horses drink;

. . .

OR

in forcing Romanists to be more aware of and accurate about the historical truths of history regarding the early 500 years of Christianity.

God will make HIS perspective abundantly clear to ALL WHO TRULY SEEK HIM, HIS WILL, HIS WAYS REGARDLESS OF ALL ELSE; REGARDLESS OF ALL PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS; ASSOCIATIONS; TRADITIONS, WHATEVER . . .

He alone is able to impact the human heart; spirit; mind in lastingly fruitful ways.

I'm just a feeble noise maker along the way . . . that He graciously sees fit to use in some cases with some people somewhat.

That's grand enough, for me.

I do, however find the ways I and/or my posts have been characterized in this exchange to be from a perspective that appears to me to be exceedingly wanting; exceedingly cheeky; exceedingly haughty in tone and attitude. I hope my perspective doesn't come across those ways. They aren't very persuasive, to me.

But then lot of things persuade some folks and not others. One size does not fit all.


98 posted on 11/13/2006 2:35:52 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

May the Lord God of Hosts bless you and keep you, may He let his Light shine upon you, and may he lead you to the fullnes of Truth.


99 posted on 11/13/2006 2:46:33 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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Thanks.

And, INDEED:

May the Lord God of Hosts bless you and keep you, may He let his Light shine upon you, and may he lead you to the fullnes of Truth.


100 posted on 11/13/2006 4:20:13 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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