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To: Ottofire; Gamecock; Kolokotronis; Agrarian; NYer; Dr. Eckleburg
But since the big T traditions differ about, lets say Purgatory and the Authority of the RC pope...

Neither the Purgatory nor the authority of the Pope are something the Church believed "everywhere and always." Purgatory was unknown to most of the Undivided Church of the 1st millennium. Papal authority was also perceived differently, and still is.

Therefore Purgatory and Papal jurisdictional authority are not part of the Holy Tradition. Holy Tradition must be in harmony with the Scriptures because the Christian Bible you read is the product of that Tradition, in other words, Faith delivered to the Apostles. To the best of my knowledge, papal jurisdictional authority is not defined in the Bible, and neither is the Purgatory.

You also can't speak of Protestants in terms of the Holy Tradition, because, as far as the uninterrupted Church of God is concerned, the Protestants, even though they are faithful and loving Christians, are unfortunately not part of the Church (and this is not meant as an insult, so please do not take it that way).

59 posted on 11/12/2006 9:06:09 PM PST by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

" Holy Tradition must be in harmony with the Scriptures because the Christian Bible you read is the product of that Tradition, in other words, Faith delivered to the Apostles."
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Once the Canon was formed the "oral Tradition" should have ended, but it didn't. It was made an equal of Scripture. A terrible human flaw to manipulate facts in order to empower themselves and their organization.


61 posted on 11/13/2006 4:57:30 AM PST by wmfights (Psalm : 27)
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To: kosta50
Papal jurisdictional authority

The entire piece about Papal authority is becoming increasingly a lame horse -- the Vatican has been demonstrably showing in the past few decades that the idea of first among equals is more correct -- witness the Eastern Catholic Patriarchs having equal honor in Pope JP II's funeral. Since neither the Eastern nor Western Roman Empires exist, and since the Catholic Church is increasingly moving away from Italian Popes, we will see this concept moving closer to the idea of the Papacy as seen in the first century, with less of the political back-biting.
136 posted on 11/15/2006 8:36:21 PM PST by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: kosta50
the Protestants, even though they are faithful and loving Christians, are unfortunately not part of the Church (and this is not meant as an insult, so please do not take it that way).

So many of your positions are approaching the absurd....

First -- nowhere in Biblical Scripture is the word "church" capitalized. The original ekklesia (Strong's G1577) infers those gathered in like mind and heart more than a formal organization or gathering.

The church is a living organism -- the Body of Christ -- so much, much more than a religious organization.

All disciples of Christ are part of the Body of Christ....
If that excludes some from your "organization", well so be it.

There are many who will be shouting "Lord, Lord..."
And our Master will say to those very religious folks: "Go away - I never KNEW you"

For someone who constantly makes snide remarks and sneers at sincere followers of Christ concerning the use of "your Christian Bible" -- I suggest you read it from cover to cover.

I also strongly suggest you repent of your arrogant but ignorant religiosity -- and seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness --

Thence to see if at least your perspective towards your kindred in the Lord -- if not your entire life of faith -- might change.

159 posted on 11/16/2006 3:43:11 PM PST by Wings-n-Wind (All of the answers remain available; Wisdom is gained by asking the right questions!)
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