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Pope Benedict Stresses Necessity to Halt Cafeteria Catholicism
Life Site ^ | 07.15.05

Posted on 12/05/2006 2:15:45 PM PST by Coleus

On Sunday Pope Benedict XVI spoke of the necessity of Catholics to accept the whole of the faith.  "Dear brothers and sisters how necessary it is today at the dawn of the third millennium for the entire Catholic community to proclaim, teach and witness to the entire truth of Catholic faith, doctrine and morals in a unanimous and harmonious manner!," he stressed.

Pope Bendict on election dayHis comments came as he spoke of the recently completed abbreviated Catechism known as the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.  The Compendium, in addition to proclaiming the church's popular teachings on the necessity of caring for the poor and the striving for peace, teaches the truth on the grave evils of abortion and of sexual practices unbecoming humanity such as adultery and homosexuality.

Pope Benedict noted that the completion of the Compendium happened by "Divine Providence" to coincide "with the opening of the cause for beatification of our beloved Pope John Paul II."

John Paul II also stressed the need for Catholics to maintain the fullness of the Church's teachings and not pick and choose the teachings as they saw fit.  Speaking to the Bishops of the United States at Queen of Angels Seminary in Los Angeles on September 16, 1987, Pope John Paul II stated:  "It is sometimes reported that a large number of Catholics today do not adhere to the teaching of the Catholic Church on a number of questions, notably sexual and conjugal morality, divorce and remarriage. Some are reported as not accepting the clear position on abortion. It has to be noted that there is a tendency on the part of some Catholics to be selective in their adherence to the Church's moral teaching. It is sometimes claimed that dissent from the magisterium is totally compatible with being a 'good Catholic,' and poses no obstacle to the reception of the Sacraments. This is a grave error that challenges the teaching of the Bishops in the United States and elsewhere. "

In related news, the election of a German Pope seems to have boosted the faith in Germany.  Cardinal Karl Lehmann, the Archbishop of Mainz, has reported that in his diocese during the period from May to June more people returned to the practice of the faith than in the whole of 2004.

See Pope Benedict's full address (in Italian):
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/angelus/2005/...

jhw


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; cafeteriacatholic; cafeteriaisclosed; catholiclist
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1 posted on 12/05/2006 2:15:47 PM PST by Coleus
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To: NYer

bump


2 posted on 12/05/2006 2:36:58 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

WABC's Curtis Sliwa uses the term "A&P Catholics": Ashes on Ash Wednesday and Palms on Palm Sunday.


3 posted on 12/05/2006 2:39:46 PM PST by sono (Ted Nugent For UN Ambassador)
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To: sono

How about dishing out some excommunications against prominent Liberal "Catholics"?


4 posted on 12/05/2006 2:44:42 PM PST by Joseph DeMaistre (There's no such thing as relativism, only dogmatism of a different color)
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To: sono

I have another title, "C's And E's, which means, Christmas and Easter.


5 posted on 12/05/2006 3:33:52 PM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: Coleus; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; ...


6 posted on 12/05/2006 4:27:53 PM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: NYer

Excellent! I have often replied when people question the church's position on the death penalty, that at least the Church is consistent. (The people who ask me this usually assume that I would oppose the church because I am a conservative). I always point out that I will be happy when the other side defends the rights of the unborn as vigourously as they do that of murderers.


7 posted on 12/05/2006 4:32:26 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, thank you for Mozart Lover's son's safe return, and look after Jemian's son, please!)
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To: Miss Marple
Actually, the Church's official position on the death penalty is consistent with most U.S. law.

Only in the most extreme circumstances, only when others cannot be protected in any other way. Which makes sense.

It is not an absolute opposition. Some clerics are completely opposed, but the Church is not.

8 posted on 12/05/2006 4:37:53 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

I wasn't very clear, was I? It seems that the Church does, however, get a lot of publicity when they oppose an execution. I am a new Catholic, so I am not quite up to snuff on everything, yet.


9 posted on 12/05/2006 5:10:04 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, thank you for Mozart Lover's son's safe return, and look after Jemian's son, please!)
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To: Miss Marple
Keep reading that nice hefty Catechism!

(I'm a new Catholic too - actually our whole family is. Things to warm a new Catholic mom's heart with pride -- daughter is a freshman at college and Emailed me "send a Catechism!" Two of her friends are a Mormon and and Presbyterian, and she's going to work to convert them! I like that kid's attitude!)

10 posted on 12/05/2006 5:13:50 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Miss Marple

Your parish will have a Catechism that they will give you or sell you. It is a great reference when questions like this come up. Also, EWTN network has some great Q&A references. For you Prod lurkers they notate where it can be found in the Bible, the primary Catholic source :-)


11 posted on 12/05/2006 5:16:10 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: Coleus
In related news, the election of a German Pope seems to have boosted the faith in Germany. Cardinal Karl Lehmann, the Archbishop of Mainz, has reported that in his diocese during the period from May to June more people returned to the practice of the faith than in the whole of 2004.

Praise God!
12 posted on 12/05/2006 5:38:07 PM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Coleus

There are too many liberal CINOs who use the Church only when it furthers their agenda.

If Pope Benedict XVI is serious, he'll start excommunicating those politicians who refuse to publically recant their liberal-sins.


13 posted on 12/05/2006 6:30:38 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Muhammad Lied; Jesus Died (For Your Sins) and Rose Again.)
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To: Miss Marple

**when the other side defends the rights of the unborn as vigourously as they do that of murderers.**

Excellent! I will remember and use that argument!


14 posted on 12/05/2006 6:47:57 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Miss Marple

Be sure to put prayer at the top of your priority list. :-) Regular, daily, prayer. Family prayer, and quiet, one-on-one with the Lord time.


15 posted on 12/05/2006 6:49:21 PM PST by goodform
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To: AnAmericanMother

** Two of her friends are a Mormon and and Presbyterian, and she's going to work to convert them! I like that kid's attitude!)**

Smiling! That is evangelization! My hat's off to her!


16 posted on 12/05/2006 6:50:02 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
She's a cute kid. . . she's very devout but extremely funny and relaxed, happy girl with lots of friends.

She was always a little disappointed that she didn't get to "perfect" her altar serving technique . . . she was late on board of course. Although she had served at our former Episcopal parish since she was an itty bitty, they did everything differently in our new parish, and she felt like she didn't have it "right" before she graduated high school and had to sign off.

She is very pleased that one of the parishes near her college allows the college kids to continue to altar serve -- so she'll get another chance to "get it right" as she puts it. And they also allow the college kids to do the sick calls as EEMs. She doesn't like doing EEM in church, because she feels it detracts from the priest and she thinks the old biddies who predominate aren't devout or serious enough.

I'm just glad she's not falling away from the church in college like I did . . . of course, I was an Episcopalian then, and the 70s were another time of tumult and upheaval in the Episcopal church (or this is just more of the same tumult and upheaval). Boy am I glad we're Catholic! Should have swum across the Tiber long ago.

17 posted on 12/05/2006 6:59:30 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: goodform

That is my priority. I just finished the Roasary with Mother Angelica. I find that an excellent way to end the day. I do quiet prayer in the morning, when there are less distractions.


18 posted on 12/05/2006 7:05:03 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, thank you for Mozart Lover's son's safe return, and look after Jemian's son, please!)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I am glad I am Catholic, too. My husband is going through RCIA now.

I love the Church. I love the connection it gives me to Jesus and God, I love the order and discipline, and I love the Eucharist.

I am just sorry I came to it so late in life. (I am 58.)

19 posted on 12/05/2006 7:07:31 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, thank you for Mozart Lover's son's safe return, and look after Jemian's son, please!)
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To: Miss Marple
I'm not much younger - turned 51 in March. Better late than never!

The handwriting was on the wall in ECUSA back in the 70s, but I was reluctant to leave because I had had quite a time finagling my dear husband into the Episcopal church from the Methodists, he is the grandson of a Methodist minister, a very dear and devout man who I have no doubt is in heaven this very minute. I hesitated even after the latest unpleasantness began, until one day he announced that if ECUSA voted to approve homosexual marriage we were going to RCIA. You could have knocked me down with a feather . . . of course I had not considered in my calculations that his mom was Catholic (and Irish Catholic at that) before she married his dad.

But my hubby is like Dickens's beefsteak - he has to be humored, not drove - and he had to come to that decision on his own without any pushing from me.

20 posted on 12/05/2006 7:15:55 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother
We were Methodists. We became disgusted and helped found a non-denominational church. Boy, was that a fiasco! The church is still there, but it isn't what we envisioned.

With about 20 other families we formed a church and got a disgruntled Methodist pastor whom we pledged to support. We envisioned a Methodist church without the hierarchy. Well, a bunch of late-comers arrived with lots of money and suddenly we were way more fundamentalist than we had envisioned (no infant baptism, etc.).

So, we wound up without a church. I came to the Faith after watching about 3 years of EWTN and seeing Pope Benedict's election. I decided that I wanted to be with the Church who was the original Church, and had RULES and discipline. I was quite tired of hearing lay Sunday school teachers give me their personal interpretations of Scripture, which often seemed to me to be slightly off.

Anyway, I joined last Easter, and I have never been so happy, and I get a great deal of inner peace from the Mass.

21 posted on 12/05/2006 7:23:52 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, thank you for Mozart Lover's son's safe return, and look after Jemian's son, please!)
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To: NYer

What, no "The cafeteria is closed" image?! :-)


22 posted on 12/05/2006 7:45:04 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Joseph DeMaistre
"How about dishing out some excommunications against prominent Liberal "Catholics"?"

By their deliberate stepping outside the norms of Catholic life, these individuals have, to all intents and purposes, excommunicated themselves. When the Church makes an official pronouncement of Excommunication, she is merely ratifying their deliberate choice. The Church does not have to make an "official" ruling regarding one's position outside the Church in order for it to be a de facto excommunication.

23 posted on 12/05/2006 8:07:43 PM PST by redhead ("You'll shoot your eye out, kid...")
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To: HighlyOpinionated
"If Pope Benedict XVI is serious, he'll start excommunicating those politicians who refuse to publically recant their liberal-sins.

See above... Also, the official pronouncement of excommunication on these people would have little to no effect, and they would immediately test it by taking a place in the Communion line. There is ALWAYS some darned leftist "priest" who is willing to give them Communion at his Clown Mass, despite their open and blatant disregard for the Church's teachings on ANY aspect of Catholic life, not just those on "Life." Teachings on contraception and marital fidelity, annullments, confession...these are all part of the life of the Church that "Cafeteria 'catholics'" choose to disregard. Excommunicating them formally is not going to do anything to their state. They will continue to flaunt the Church's care and teachings as long as they can, just to "prove" they are right. ("A bolt of lightning didn't strike me dead. That must mean God blesses/doesn't care what I do...")

24 posted on 12/05/2006 8:17:02 PM PST by redhead ("You'll shoot your eye out, kid...")
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To: NYer; Miss Marple; Coleus; Salvation; redhead

Pinging...


25 posted on 12/05/2006 8:20:32 PM PST by redhead ("You'll shoot your eye out, kid...")
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To: redhead

But it has a strong sting of formal disapproval. These folks thumb their noses when faithful Catholics say they've excommunicated themselves, but only a ferendae sententiae excommunication will get the message across.


26 posted on 12/06/2006 6:39:26 AM PST by Joseph DeMaistre (There's no such thing as relativism, only dogmatism of a different color)
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To: Joseph DeMaistre
"Nulla poena, nulla crimen"

(no punishment, no crime)

27 posted on 12/06/2006 10:18:10 AM PST by boromeo
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To: Joseph DeMaistre
"But it has a strong sting of formal disapproval. These folks thumb their noses when faithful Catholics say they've excommunicated themselves, but only a ferendae sententiae excommunication will get the message across."

Actually, I doubt that seriously. The politicians I am sure we both have in mind couldn't care less about their moral state, the "approval" of the Vatican, or anything else except spitting in the eye of Holy Mother Church. They know the condition of their souls, and they not only do nothing about it, but continue in their sin.

28 posted on 12/06/2006 11:10:24 AM PST by redhead ("You'll shoot your eye out, kid...")
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To: redhead

Kick the bums out. At least they wouldn't be able to masquerade as Catholics anymore.


29 posted on 12/06/2006 11:19:44 AM PST by Joseph DeMaistre (There's no such thing as relativism, only dogmatism of a different color)
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To: Joseph DeMaistre
"Kick the bums out. At least they wouldn't be able to masquerade as Catholics anymore."

And you do that, how? How do you keep them from coming to any church they wish, or masquerading as "good" Catholics? Believe me, they know where the enabling "priests" are, and that's where they go. An official excommunication from the Church isn't going to keep them from using Catholic appearance to manipulate the electorate.

30 posted on 12/06/2006 2:00:26 PM PST by redhead ("You'll shoot your eye out, kid...")
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To: redhead

If they are thrown out of the Church, they can't say they are Catholic in any way, shape or form. Place any priest who helps them under interdict, and excommunicate them too if they don't cease and desist.


31 posted on 12/06/2006 2:14:12 PM PST by Joseph DeMaistre (There's no such thing as relativism, only dogmatism of a different color)
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To: Coleus

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32 posted on 12/06/2006 2:33:11 PM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has been born. Ronald Reagan)
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