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The Top 10 Reasons Why I Don't Celebrate Christmas
Good News Magazine ^ | Fall 2006 | Scott Ashley

Posted on 12/09/2006 7:11:54 AM PST by DouglasKC

The Top 10 Reasons Why I Don't Celebrate Christmas

It’s that time of year again! You’ll soon be barraged by the sights, sounds and smells of Christmas. Shoppers will soon go into spending overdrive, and when the bills arrive, some will wonder if it’s really worth it. Here’s a perspective from one who kicked the Christmas habit.

by Scott Ashley

Christmas is a hugely popular holiday celebrated by some 2 billion people worldwide. It's become such an ingrained part of modern culture that even people in nations with little or no Christian history or tradition are celebrating it in increasing numbers.

Christmas is so big that it plays a key role in the economies of many nations. In the U.S. retail industry, the day after the Thanksgiving holiday is commonly known as "Black Friday"—not because it's bad, but because this marks the beginning of the Christmas shopping season and stores that have been "in the red"—operating at a loss all year—suddenly see their sales shoot up so fast that they are now operating in the black (at a profit) the rest of the year. "Black Friday" is the biggest shopping day of the year due to its Christmas sales.

Christmas is big—very big. Schools and colleges commonly take a week or longer break at this time, some businesses shut down to give their employees time off, many families plan trips and get-togethers, and some people darken the door of a church for perhaps the first time all year.

So it's not surprising that I get some pretty shocked looks when I tell people I don't celebrate Christmas. That's pretty unusual for anyone, much less someone who's been an ordained minister for 15 years and edits a Christian magazine.

So what's up with this? Why would anyone not want to celebrate Christmas like nearly everybody else? Are there valid reasons for not participating in all the holiday hoopla?

American Late Show television program host David Letterman is famous for his "top 10" lists in which he offers pointed commentary about popular culture and current events. So here I offer my top 10 reasons for not celebrating Christmas!

1. Christmas is driven by commercialism.

It's not that difficult to recognize what really drives the holiday in our age. Cal Thomas, an American syndicated columnist who often writes from a Christian perspective, acknowledged uncomfortable truths about Christmas in a December 2003 column.

"I'm not sure it's worth keeping Christmas anymore," he began, lamenting that the holiday has become a "road show of reindeer, winter scenes, elves and the God substitute, Santa Claus, who serves as a front for merchants seeking to play on the guilt some parents bear for ignoring their kids the rest of the year."

He asks a great question: "Why participate any longer in this charade where the focal point of worship has shifted from a babe in a manger to a babe in the Victoria 's Secret window? . . . No room in the inn has been replaced by no room in the mall parking lot."

But perhaps his most insightful statement is this: "It's instructive how just one season away from lusting after material things can break the habit. It's something like liberation from an addiction or lifestyle choice. Being away from it can cause one to realize the behavior is neither missed nor needed for fulfillment and enjoyment."

Having said good-bye to the Christmas habit several decades ago, I couldn't have said it better myself!

2. Christmas is nowhere mentioned in the Bible.

This is rather obvious, but most people never give it a second thought. The books of the New Testament cover 30+ years of Jesus Christ's life, then another 30+ years of the early Church following His death and resurrection, but nowhere do we find any hint of a Christmas celebration or anything remotely like it.

Yes, the Bible does give us quite a few details of His birth—the angelic appearance to Mary and then Joseph, the conditions surrounding His birth in a stable in Bethlehem, the heavenly choir's performance for the shepherds in the fields outside the town. But nowhere in the Bible is there any record of anyone observing Christmas or any hint that God the Father or Jesus Christ expects us to do so.

3. Jesus wasn't born on or near Dec. 25.

Surprising but true! Remember those shepherds who were "living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night"? (Luke 2:8). December weather around Bethlehem is often miserably cold, wet and rainy. No shepherd in his right mind would have kept his flocks outside at night at that time of year!

The Interpreter's One-Volume Commentary says this passage argues "against the birth [of Christ] occurring on Dec. 25 since the weather would not have permitted" shepherds to be out in the fields with their flocks then.

And Celebrations: The Complete Book of American Holidays tells us that Luke's account of Christ's birth "suggests that Jesus may have been born in summer or early fall. Since December is cold and rainy in Judea, it is likely the shepherds would have sought shelter for their flocks at night" (p. 309) rather than keeping them outdoors.

Also, Luke 2:1-4 tells us that Jesus was born in Bethlehem because his parents came to that town to register in a Roman census. The Romans were well known as highly efficient administrators. It would have made no sense to have conducted a census in the dead of winter, when temperatures often dropped below freezing and traveling was difficult due to poor road conditions. Taking a census under such conditions would have been self-defeating!

4. The Christmas holiday is largely a recycled pagan celebration.

Again, surprising but true! Read it for yourself in just about any encyclopedia.

Consider the customs associated with Christmas. What do decorated evergreen trees, holly, mistletoe, yule logs, a jolly plump man in a fur-lined red suit, sleighs and flying reindeer have to do with the birth of Jesus Christ?

None of these things have anything to do with Him, but they have a lot to do with ancient pagan festivals. (Read the eye-opening details in our free booklet Holidays or Holy Days: Does It Matter Which Days We Keep?)

And what about the date of Dec. 25? How did it come to be assigned as the supposed date of Jesus Christ's birth? Historians Gerard and Patricia Del Re explain:

"The tradition of celebrating December 25 as Christ's birthday came to the Romans from Persia. Mithra, the Persian god of light and sacred contracts, was born out of a rock on December 25. Rome was famous for its flirtations with strange gods and cults, and in the third century the unchristian emperor Aurelian established the festival of Dies Invicti Solis, the Day of the Invincible Sun, on December 25.

"Mithra was an embodiment of the sun, so this period of its rebirth was a major day in Mithraism, which had become Rome's latest official religion . . . It is believed that the emperor Constantine adhered to Mithraism up to the time of his conversion to Christianity. He was probably instrumental in seeing that the major feast of his old religion was carried over to his new faith" (The Christmas Almanac, 1979, p. 17).

It's difficult to determine the first time anyone celebrated Dec. 25 as Christmas, but historians generally agree that it was sometime during the fourth century—some 300 years after Christ's death. And then a contrived date was chosen because it was already a popular pagan holiday celebrating the birth of the sun god!

Similarly, virtually all of the customs associated with Christmas are recycled from ancient pagan festivals honoring other gods.

5. God condemns using pagan customs to worship Him.

Since Christmas is supposedly a day to worship and celebrate God the Father and Jesus Christ, wouldn't it be a good idea to look into the Bible to see what it says about how we should worship God?

The answer is quite clear. God gives specific instruction about using pagan practices to worship Him—the exact thing Christmas does! Notice what He says in Deuteronomy 12:30-32: ". . . Do not inquire after their gods, saying, 'How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.' You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way . . . Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it" (emphasis added throughout).

And lest some think this is simply an Old Testament command that no longer applies, the apostle Paul makes the same point in 2 Corinthians 6, where he addresses whether unbiblical religious customs and practices have any place in the worship of God's people:

"What fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial [the devil and/or demons]? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God . . .

"Therefore 'Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you.' 'I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the LORD Almighty.' Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God" (2 Corinthians 6:14-18; 7:1).

Rather than relabeling pagan customs as Christian, or allowing members of the Church to continue their old pagan practices, the apostle Paul told them in no uncertain terms to leave behind all these forms of worship and worship God in true holiness as He commands. Jesus likewise says His true followers "must worship in spirit and truth" (John 4:24)—not revel in recycled pagan customs and symbolism.

6. Christmas is worshipping God in vain.

Since Christmas is a jumble of ancient pagan customs invented by men, and a holiday found nowhere in the Bible, does God honor or accept such worship?

Jesus provides the answer in His stern rebuke of the religious teachers of His day, men who had substituted human traditions and teachings for God's divine truths and commands: "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites . . . 'in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' . . . All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition" (Mark 7:6-9).

In the 17th century Christmas was actually outlawed in England and some parts of the American colonies because of its unbiblical and pagan origins. They knew something most people today have forgotten or have never known!

7. You can't put Christ back into something He was never in.

Some people admit the many problems with Christmas. But rather than face up to those problems, some assert that we should "put Christ back in Christmas."

However, it's impossible to "put Christ back in Christmas" since He never was in Christmas in the first place! He never so much as heard the word "Christmas" during His lifetime on earth, nor did His apostles after Him. You can search the Bible cover to cover but you won't find the words "Christmas," "Christmas tree," "mistletoe," "holly," "Santa Claus" or "flying reindeer."

Putting Christ back in Christmas may sound like a nice sentiment, but it's really only a misguided effort to try to justify a long-standing human tradition rather than what the Bible tells us we should do.

8. The Bible nowhere tells us to observe a holiday celebrating Jesus Christ's birth—but it clearly does tell us to commemorate His death.

As noted earlier, the Bible nowhere mentions Christmas or tells us to celebrate Christ's birth.

This is not to say that the Bible doesn't tell us to commemorate a highly significant event in Jesus Christ's life on earth. It does—but that event is His death, not His birth.

Notice what the apostle Paul, conveying the instructions of Jesus Himself, tells Christians: "For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, 'Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.'

"In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.' For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes . . . Let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup" (1 Corinthians 11:23-28).

And yes, many believers do what they consider a form of this today in taking communion or "the Lord's supper." They fail to realize, however, the full significance of these acts, or that what Paul is actually describing here is the Passover — which is what Jesus Himself called this observance (Matthew 26:18-19; Mark 14:14-16; Luke 22:8-13, 15).

And many have no idea of the real date of Christ's death and the annual Passover observance, but that's an issue for another time. (Hint: It isn't "Good Friday" prior to Easter as so many mistakenly believe. See our booklet Holidays or Holy Days: Does It Matter Which Days We Keep? for details.) The point is: Jesus clearly expects His true followers to commemorate His death—not His birth—by observing the Passover.

9. Christmas obscures God's plan for mankind.

Passover, mentioned above, has enormous significance in God's plan for humanity. The Old Testament Passover, described in Exodus 12, was symbolic of Jesus Christ's future role and sacrifice. As the blood of the slain Passover lambs on the Israelites' houses spared them while the firstborn of the Egyptians were slain, so does Jesus Christ's sacrificial death on our behalf spare us from death— eternal death.

Paul alluded to this great truth when he wrote in 1 Corinthians 5:7 that "Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us." Similarly John the Baptist, speaking under divine inspiration, said of Jesus, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!" (John 1:29).

Peter wrote that we are redeemed "with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" (1 Peter 1:19)—a clear reference to the Passover lambs (Exodus 12:5).

A central key to God's plan for humanity is Jesus Christ's sacrificial death on our behalf. He is "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8)—meaning His death for our sins was planned before the first human beings were ever created (1 Peter 1:18-20). Only through His death to pay the penalty for our sins can human beings receive God's gift of eternal life (John 3:14-17; Acts 4:12; 1 Corinthians 15:20-22).

Christmas, in contrast, teaches us none of this. Regrettably, because it is a hodgepodge of unbiblical customs and beliefs thrown together with a few elements of biblical truth, it only obscures the incredible purpose of Jesus Christ's coming—as well as why He must return to earth a second time! (For more details, request our free booklets Jesus Christ: The Real Story and The Gospel of the Kingdom.)

10. I'd rather celebrate the Holy Days Jesus Christ and the apostles observed.

God in His Word sets out many choices for us. Will we do things His way or our own? Will we worship Him as He tells us to, or expect Him to honor whatever religious practices we choose regardless of what His Word says?

It's always good to ask the question, What would Jesus do? The answer, from the Scriptures, is quite clear as to what Jesus did. Jesus didn't allow His followers the option of adopting pagan practices in their worship. He and the apostles plainly kept God's Holy Days and festivals that we find recorded in Leviticus 23.

As noted above, they kept the Passover (1 Corinthians 11:23-26). Scripture shows they also observed the Days of Unleavened Bread (Acts 20:6; 1 Corinthians 5:7-8). The New Testament Church itself was founded on the Feast of Pentecost (Acts 2:1), another biblical festival they clearly observed (Acts 20:16). They likewise kept the Day of Atonement (called "the Fast" in Acts 27:9) and the Feast of Tabernacles (John 7:2, 10).

Christmas, meanwhile, is totally missing from the biblical record.

Most people don't know that the Bible includes a whole list of festivals that God commanded, that Jesus Himself observed and that the apostles and early Church were still keeping decades after Christ's death and resurrection. And unlike Christmas, these reveal a great deal about Jesus Christ's role and mission.

Each one teaches us a vital lesson in what Jesus has done, is doing and will yet do in carrying out God's great plan for humankind. The differences between these and the tired old paganism and crass commercialism of Christmas is truly like the difference between day and night. Why not look into them for yourself?

I've given you my top 10 reasons for not celebrating Christmas. What do you suppose God thinks of your reasons for continuing to observe it? GN



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To: DouglasKC
I enjoy celebrating Christmas—for a week or two.

As it is, when images of Santa Claus first appear in the stores, I know that Halloween will soon be here.

21 posted on 12/09/2006 10:09:59 AM PST by Logophile
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To: DouglasKC

To me, Christmas is a special day where we are reminded that Christ was born into this world and came to die for us on the Cross. My family might send a few cards or presents, but Thanksgiving is a much bigger holiday in terms of celebration. It's not a contest to see who's going to get the most presents - especially since we were given the greatest gift by God over 2000 years ago. That's where I think a lot of Americans lose perspective on Christmas.


22 posted on 12/09/2006 10:14:42 AM PST by kcbc2001
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To: DouglasKC
A good essay, but...re: No shepherd in his right mind would have kept his flocks outside at night at that time of year!)))

Where else do you keep a flock of sheep? Barns? The Motel 6? My assumption is that there wouldn't be an infrastructure to provide a flock with cozy comfort in winter and that the shepherd doesn't have a whole lot of choices. Doesn't lambing take place in wintertime?

23 posted on 12/09/2006 10:24:04 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: DouglasKC

I thought I did. This kind of reprimand you post here is why most people ignore articles like this.


24 posted on 12/09/2006 10:31:21 AM PST by Ptaz (Take Personal Responsibility--it's not fun, but it's the right thing to do.)
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To: capt.P

Welcome home! and have a blessed Christmas.

Mrs VS


25 posted on 12/09/2006 10:54:02 AM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: DouglasKC; saradippity; Phx_RC; Northern Yankee; NYer
Surprising but true! Remember those shepherds who were "living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night"? (Luke 2:8). December weather around Bethlehem is often miserably cold, wet and rainy. No shepherd in his right mind would have kept his flocks outside at night at that time of year!

Here's a "throw spaghetti on the wall and see if it sticks" thought.

The birth of Jesus as The Messiah and Our Lord and Saviour was truly a miracle. Even the Archangel Gabriel came to announce it.

Who's to say that in preparation for this true miracle, God didn't tweak the weather bit for a few days to allow the shepherds to have their flocks out there?

Wouldn't that an example of "the mystery of faith?"

The author seems to be emulating "man's thinking" to make sense out of one of God's true miracles, to conform to his own belief, if all he is basing his argument is on the weather.

It also appears that this minister is claiming to do what Cathlolics are constantly critized for doing. He's trying to add to, or reinterpret the scripture and belief to what it really says here.

I think I'll just leave it to "the mystery of Faith" and rejoice in Jesus's birth.

And btw, Merry Christmas to all.

26 posted on 12/09/2006 11:27:25 AM PST by kstewskis ("Never give away for free what God has given you as a gift for your husband"....CyberAnt)
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To: Mamzelle
Where else do you keep a flock of sheep? Barns? The Motel 6? My assumption is that there wouldn't be an infrastructure to provide a flock with cozy comfort in winter and that the shepherd doesn't have a whole lot of choices.

My assumption is that there would be some type of shelter for the sheep. It wouldn't be a good practice for someone who wanted to raise sheep not to shelter them during inclement weather. Stables have been around for quite a while.

As far as lambing goes, the sheepherder can control when it occurs. But if they lamb in winter they better have the lambs in shelters because they are much more susceptible to weather extremes.

27 posted on 12/09/2006 5:51:30 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Ptaz
I thought I did. This kind of reprimand you post here is why most people ignore articles like this.

I expect that most people will ignore articles like this. It takes courage and a commitment to God to recognize that Christmas is a historical and not a biblical holiday. Jesus Christ created the days he expects his followers to observe....and Christmas isn't one of them.

28 posted on 12/09/2006 5:54:31 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: kstewskis
Who's to say that in preparation for this true miracle, God didn't tweak the weather bit for a few days to allow the shepherds to have their flocks out there?

Look, it's no mystery how December 25th was chosen. From a history of Christmas:

In the first 200 years of Christian history, no mention is made of the actual date of the birth of Jesus. The first mention we have of a celebration of his birth appeared in 336 AD. Why this omission? In the case of the early Church fathers, the reason is that the commemoration that was considered most worthy was the date of his death. In comparison, the date of his birth was considered insignificant. The historical tradition was to celebrate the death of remarkable people and not their births; most people did not even know when their children were born; it was often considered insignificant. (It was enough to know that a person had been born and not the actual date, although we will see in a few minutes that God considered the date to be very important.)

Speculation on the proper date began in the 3rd and 4th centuries, when the idea of celebrating his birth first started. There was quite a controversy among the early Church leaders. Many were opposed to the celebration. Origen, who lived from 185-254, strongly recommended against such a celebration. He said, “In the Scriptures, no one is recorded to have kept a feast or held a great banquet on his birthday. It is only sinners who make great rejoicings over the day in which they were born into this world.” During this time of controversy, various people proposed eight specific dates during six different months. Although December 25th was one of the last dates to be proposed, it was the one that was finally accepted by the leadership of the church in the West. The earliest mention of the observance of December 25th is in the year 336. This date was probably chosen to oppose the feast of the Natalis Solis Invicti, or the nativity of the unconquerable sun. (Whether it was set on this date to avoid persecution by pagans or if this was an early attempt at ecuminicism is open to debate. Most people think that the Pope was just trying to make peace with the pagans.)

December 25th was made popular by Pope Liberius in 354, and that date became the rule in the 435 when the first “Christ Mass” was officiated by Pope Sixtus III.

As I mentioned a moment ago, this date coincided with the date of a celebration by the Romans to their primary god, the sun, and to Mithras, a popular Persian sun god who was supposedly born on the same day. The Roman Catholic writer Mario Righetti admits that, “to facilitate the acceptance of the faith by the pagan masses, the Church of Rome found it convenient to institute the 25th of December as the feast of the birth of Christ to divert them from the pagan feast, celebrated on the same day in honor of the ‘Invincible Sun’ Mithras, the conqueror of darkness.”

Protestant historian Henry Chadwick said, “Moreover, early in the fourth century, there begins in the West the celebration of December 25th, the birthday of the Sun-god at the winter solstice, as the date for the nativity of Christ. How easy it was for Christianity and solar religion to become entangled at the popular level is strikingly illustrated by a mid-fifth century sermon of Pope Leo the Great, rebuking his over-cautious flock for paying reverence to the Sun on the steps of St. Peter’s before turning their back on it to worship inside the westward facing basilica.” Do we see this today? Do you see people worshipping pagan gods during the time that is supposedly set aside to celebrate the birth of Jesus? How about Mammon, the money god? (Any thoughts at this point?)

29 posted on 12/09/2006 6:00:23 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Bah Humbug Scott Ashley. You are just a bit of undigested beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato.


30 posted on 12/09/2006 6:06:50 PM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear... on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: DouglasKC
Well, Scott, in as much as you're entitled to your opinion, I think you are stuffed clean-full o' shit. I'm not a big fan of the over-commercialism and secularization of the holiday, myself, but I won't let any anal-retentive, pious killjoy talk down to me like a child over how I comport myself on what I consider a very solemn-yet-joyous anniversary. And don't anybody dare presume they are enlightened enough to posit what God might think about my acknowledgement of His Son's birth. The market for that sort of theological self-righteousness is currently cornered by brutal, violent acolytes of a drunken pedophile. Go vent your spiritual spleen on Druids, or Gaian dirt-worshipers, or something.


31 posted on 12/09/2006 6:22:06 PM PST by Viking2002 (Islam is to Western Civilization what ticks are to a dog.)
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To: DouglasKC

oh please...Pope Gregory designed the present day calender...do you really think that you can measure seven days from anything.. I think not. The Catholic church wrote the bible, all Christians were Catholic for over 1500 years..pay attention Jesus founded 1 religion, Catholocism..wake up and grasp salvation


32 posted on 12/09/2006 6:56:51 PM PST by terycarl (G)
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To: DouglasKC

oh please...Pope Gregory designed the present day calender...do you really think that you can measure seven days from anything.. I think not. The Catholic church wrote the bible, all Christians were Catholic for over 1500 years..pay attention Jesus founded 1 religion, Catholocism..wake up and grasp salvation


33 posted on 12/09/2006 7:14:54 PM PST by terycarl (G)
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To: terycarl
oh please...Pope Gregory designed the present day calender...do you really think that you can measure seven days from anything.. I think not. The Catholic church wrote the bible, all Christians were Catholic for over 1500 years..pay attention Jesus founded 1 religion, Catholocism..wake up and grasp salvation

The bible was being written eons before Roman Catholicism came onto the scene. In this bible, Jesus Christ created holy days and told those who worship him how to observe them. He caused this to be written down in Leviticus, among other places. When Jesus Christ incarnated, he kept these same holy days that he created. Christmas is not one of those.

34 posted on 12/09/2006 7:55:13 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Viking2002
but I won't let any anal-retentive, pious killjoy talk down to me like a child over how I comport myself on what I consider a very solemn-yet-joyous anniversary. And don't anybody dare presume they are enlightened enough to posit what God might think about my acknowledgement of His Son's birth.

I'm glad you consider it a solemn, yet joyous anniversary. However, Jesus Christ created holy days and listed them in the bible. As God, these are the days that Jesus wants us to observe to honor him. These are the days he honored when he incarnated.

35 posted on 12/09/2006 8:04:07 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
As far as lambing goes, the sheepherder can control when it occurs. But if they lamb in winter they better have the lambs in shelters because they are much more susceptible to weather extremes.

Scripture itself tells us about the winter time in Judea.

[Ezra 10:9-13] 9 Within the three days, all the men of Judah and Benjamin had gathered in Jerusalem. And on the twentieth day of the ninth month, all the people were sitting in the square before the house of God, greatly distressed by the occasion and because of the rain. 10 Then Ezra the priest stood up and said to them, "You have been unfaithful; you have married foreign women, adding to Israel's guilt. 11 Now make confession to the LORD, the God of your fathers, and do his will. Separate yourselves from the peoples around you and from your foreign wives. 12 The whole assembly responded with a loud voice: "You are right! We must do as you say. 13 But there are many people here and it is the rainy season; so we cannot stand outside. Besides, this matter cannot be taken care of in a day or two, because we have sinned greatly in this thing.

The "ninth" Hebrew month is "Kislev" occurring in November/December on the Gregorian calendar and is indeed the beginning of the rainy season.

[Song of Solomon "Songs" 2:11] 11 See! The winter is past; the rains are over and gone.

Livestock to this day are not left out to pasture much past October in the Holy Land. The time of the birth, more realistically, would be during the Fall Festivals of The Lord.

Thank you for you post, Douglas.

36 posted on 12/09/2006 11:48:19 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618

That should read "your post"....Duh!


37 posted on 12/09/2006 11:49:34 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: DouglasKC

Scripture indicates that Jesus was conceived not born circa Channukah, Chislev 24/25 in 5BC. I'd be willing to bet that the Jewish month of Chislev overlapped what we now call December of that year of 5 BC. The celebration of the day of His conception and the day of His birth on December 25 seems quite appropriate, especially when it overlaps with Hannukah.


38 posted on 12/10/2006 4:09:00 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Logophile

***As it is, when images of Santa Claus first appear in the stores, I know that Halloween will soon be here.***

Too much Christmas can kill the enjoyment. I saw the first decorations go up August 31 several years go.


39 posted on 12/10/2006 4:11:51 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (ISLAM "If you don’t know what you have to fear, you will not survive."---Hirsi Ali)
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To: DouglasKC

MERRY CHRISTMAS, SCOTT!! MERRY CHRISTMAS, DOUG!!


40 posted on 12/10/2006 4:17:07 AM PST by TADSLOS (Mohammed was the L. Ron Hubbard of his time.)
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