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The Early Church Fathers on Contraception - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
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Posted on 02/15/2007 2:16:28 PM PST by NYer

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To: mockingbyrd

"seven weeks postpartum my fertility returned, and it has been a very hard birth"

Wow! Were you nursing your child or using formula?


121 posted on 02/16/2007 8:08:41 AM PST by Captain Gates ('kill your TV')
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To: NYer
 
enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
2322 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3), gravely contrary to the moral law. The Church imposes the canonical penalty of excommunication for this crime against human life.
2274 Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.

Prenatal diagnosis is morally licit, "if it respects the life and integrity of the embryo and the human fetus and is directed toward its safe guarding or healing as an individual. . . . It is gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent of a death sentence."

2319 Every human life, from the moment of conception until death, is sacred because the human person has been willed for its own sake in the image and likeness of the living and holy God.
2323 Because it should be treated as a person from conception, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed like every other human being.
2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.

My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.

1711 Endowed with a spiritual soul, with intellect and with free will, the human person is from his very conception ordered to God and destined for eternal beatitude. He pursues his perfection in "seeking and loving what is true and good" (GS 15 § 2).


122 posted on 02/16/2007 8:15:29 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: All
enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
(click on the book for the link.)
 
 
2399 The regulation of births represents one of the aspects of responsible fatherhood and motherhood. Legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means (for example, direct sterilization or contraception).

 

2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality. These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, "every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil:

Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.

123 posted on 02/16/2007 8:17:29 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Kolokotronis; mockingbyrd; Maeve; NYer; Pyro7480
mockingbyrd: "But if something is true, then it is wise to promulgate it."

Kolokotronis: To teach it, yes. To make it a necessary pre-condition for theosis/salvation, no. Something like ABC simply doesn't rise to that level.

the Catholic Church ... proclaims anew: any use whatsoever of matrimony exercised in such a way that the act is deliberately frustrated in its natural power to generate life is an offence against the law of God and of nature, and those who indulge in such are branded with the guilt of a grave sin. - Pope Pius XI, Casti conubii

Kolo, committing "an offence against the law of God" or a grave sin certainly affects one's salvation.

124 posted on 02/16/2007 8:51:48 AM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Kolokotronis
As I find myself constantly reminding all you good Western Christians, Greeks are very bad people.

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Now, now. Everyone knows it's Catholics who are the bad ones. That's why we have confession. :)

125 posted on 02/16/2007 9:26:08 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

Some of these quotes I have read...some are new to me.

I will be upfront and say I am struggling with this issue.

Many of these quotes will contradict current teaching in the sense that they are saying that sex is ONLY for procreation....or sex may only be performed for the intention of procreation.
For that reason..the Church's stance on NFP or the unitive/procreative elements would have gone against the Early Fathers...yes?

Also...while someone helpfully inserted the (oral contraceptive) description in some of these quotes...the truth is that some of these potions could actually have been abortive mixtures meant to induce labor.
Afterall...they didn't have EPT urine test sticks back then.


126 posted on 02/16/2007 9:26:19 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Captain Gates
Wow! Were you nursing your child or using formula?

Only nursing. With my first daughter I was trying to do Sheila Kippley's ecological breastfeeding and I was still ready to go at eight weeks postpartum.

So, NFP was a Godsend.

127 posted on 02/16/2007 9:43:25 AM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: FormerLib

No, the intent of contraception is self gratification. To use another for sexual satisfaction without the consequences of loving and accepting the whole person.

NFP always includes loving and accepting the whole person.


128 posted on 02/16/2007 9:45:01 AM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: trisham

" That's why we have confession. :)"

Oh, we do too; we "invented" it!


129 posted on 02/16/2007 9:53:04 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Scotswife
For that reason..the Church's stance on NFP or the unitive/procreative elements would have gone against the Early Fathers...yes?

You will find the explanation here.

130 posted on 02/16/2007 10:02:20 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

Thank you for the link.
It still appears to me that there was a running theme in the early writings that any sex outside of procreation was evil - that sex was only for procreation.


131 posted on 02/16/2007 10:07:44 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Kolokotronis
Oh, we do too; we "invented" it!

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Oy vey. Apparently, we Catholics are not only "bad", we're lacking in originality. How so?

132 posted on 02/16/2007 10:08:41 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Scotswife
Augustine did have the view (or at least had the view at times) that any sex was at best a venal sin, and that sex for any reason but procreation was a mortal one. But many of those statements can be traced to his earlier stint with the Manichees.

However, he was not along in the view that the only purpose of sex was for procreation. That was actually the common view in all of Christendom until the early 20th century.
133 posted on 02/16/2007 10:35:36 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

"However, he was not along in the view that the only purpose of sex was for procreation. That was actually the common view in all of Christendom until the early 20th century."

That's part of my problem.
They were wrong - at least the Church is saying in THIS century that view is wrong.

I also wonder how accurately could they have distinguished between abortion and contraception when they didn't have the scientific knowledge we do today.
In other words....the potions they speak of - were they abortive or contraceptive? who knows? How could they know?


134 posted on 02/16/2007 11:25:07 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: mockingbyrd

I described the stance which I believe is difficult to maintain. The Church has never made the argument that every unimplanted embryo is a miscarriage and thus a soul goes to its eternal resting place whenever an embryo doesn't implant. Which is why I believe the birth-control-as-abortifacient argument is hard to maintain.

As to "attack", I'm Catholic, mockingbyrd. Reading what I wrote (limbo has been discredited by many Catholic theologians) as an attack is quite far-fetched.


135 posted on 02/16/2007 2:30:36 PM PST by cammie
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To: cammie

I am sorry for misreading your post. I confess, after some other posts (not on this thread), I tend to be a little sensitive. Please accept my apologies.

The Church does teach that life begins at conception. In ensouled is living, and the Church does teach that the soul enters the body at the moment of conception. Every child that fails to implant, for whatever reason, is a lost life, and a soul that will be reunited with the body at the General Judgement. Why these lives are created and end so quickly, well that's something only God knows.


136 posted on 02/16/2007 2:41:59 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: Scotswife

The fathers were most likely speaking of agents that had mechanisms of action that caused the expelling of the fetus.... including agents that set up smooth muscle contraction like castor oil, senna products, etc. ...... abortive remedies of this sort would provide visual confirmation of the abortion. ...

See the below quotes of a few of the fathers that were quoted in the main article.


Hippolytus

[Christian women with male concubines], on account of their prominent ancestry and great property, the so-called faithful want no children from slaves or lowborn commoners, they use drugs of sterility [oral contraceptives] or bind themselves tightly in order to expel a fetus which has already been engendered [abortion] (Refutation of All Heresies 9:7 [A.D. 225]).

Jerome

You may see a number of women who are widows before they are wives. Others, indeed, will drink sterility [oral contraceptives] and murder a man not yet born, [and some commit abortion] (Letters 22:13 [A.D. 396]).


Caesarius

Who is he who cannot warn that no woman may take a potion [an oral contraceptive or an abortifacient] so that she is unable to conceive or condemns in herself the nature which God willed to be fecund? As often as she could have conceived or given birth, of that many homicides she will be held guilty.......(Sermons 1:12 [A.D. 522]).



Note:

I admit that I haven't studied ancient abortifacient medicine..... my above comments are based upon my own knowledge of what would be available as abortifacients during that time.

I DO have a tremendous amount of respect for the scientific knowledge and abilities of the ancient peoples, and would not doubt that they had a knowledge of abortive remedies that would surprise us.

I'll study up on ancient abortifacients and report back!


137 posted on 02/16/2007 3:19:43 PM PST by Captain Gates ('kill your TV')
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To: cammie

-----"The Church has never made the argument that every unimplanted embryo is a miscarriage....."-----

Defining the beginning of life..... ahhh it seems everyone has an 'opinion'..........the partial birth abortionists say that it begins when the fetus is capable of living on its own apart from the mother,.... yank that 'parasite'(as they call it) out of the mother and if it lives apart from the mother, then you can call it human..... others say varying degrees of development to include the beating heart, etc....

more popular these days(to justify things like the morning after pill and oral contraceptives) is to say that life begins at implantation.

OK..... lets quit all of the semantics and be honest. When the sperm meets the egg and conception occurs..... when the two genetic codes unite and you have a genetically whole organism.... a zygote that is growing and seeking a home within the womb........

THIS IS WHEN LIFE BEGINS.

Yes, I said genetically whole organism. This is what you get at conception. Anyone care to argue this fact?

Bring it on.

I contend that murder is daily taking place and that semantics are a poor cover up....... all will be brought to light when it is too late for some.


138 posted on 02/16/2007 3:39:18 PM PST by Captain Gates ('kill your TV')
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To: mockingbyrd

"Only nursing."

Wow!!!!! You are one fertile woman!!!!! God bless you mockingbyrd!!!!!!!

The Lord has indeed blessed you. I pray that you will find His grace and mercy in any future pregnancies you may be blessed with.


139 posted on 02/16/2007 3:47:28 PM PST by Captain Gates ('kill your TV')
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To: Captain Gates
You are one fertile woman!!!!!

that would be the conclusion I came to as well. I pray that you will find His grace and mercy in any future pregnancies you may be blessed with.

Thank you. We do hope that we will find baby #3 along the way within the year or so.

140 posted on 02/16/2007 4:32:51 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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