Posted on 02/15/2007 2:16:28 PM PST by NYer
"seven weeks postpartum my fertility returned, and it has been a very hard birth"
Wow! Were you nursing your child or using formula?
2322 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3), gravely contrary to the moral law. The Church imposes the canonical penalty of excommunication for this crime against human life. |
2274 Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.
Prenatal diagnosis is morally licit, "if it respects the life and integrity of the embryo and the human fetus and is directed toward its safe guarding or healing as an individual. . . . It is gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent of a death sentence." |
2319 Every human life, from the moment of conception until death, is sacred because the human person has been willed for its own sake in the image and likeness of the living and holy God. |
2323 Because it should be treated as a person from conception, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed like every other human being. |
2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.
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1711 Endowed with a spiritual soul, with intellect and with free will, the human person is from his very conception ordered to God and destined for eternal beatitude. He pursues his perfection in "seeking and loving what is true and good" (GS 15 § 2). |
2399 The regulation of births represents one of the aspects of responsible fatherhood and motherhood. Legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means (for example, direct sterilization or contraception). |
2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality. These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, "every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil:
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Kolokotronis: To teach it, yes. To make it a necessary pre-condition for theosis/salvation, no. Something like ABC simply doesn't rise to that level.
the Catholic Church ... proclaims anew: any use whatsoever of matrimony exercised in such a way that the act is deliberately frustrated in its natural power to generate life is an offence against the law of God and of nature, and those who indulge in such are branded with the guilt of a grave sin. - Pope Pius XI, Casti conubii
Kolo, committing "an offence against the law of God" or a grave sin certainly affects one's salvation.
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Now, now. Everyone knows it's Catholics who are the bad ones. That's why we have confession. :)
Some of these quotes I have read...some are new to me.
I will be upfront and say I am struggling with this issue.
Many of these quotes will contradict current teaching in the sense that they are saying that sex is ONLY for procreation....or sex may only be performed for the intention of procreation.
For that reason..the Church's stance on NFP or the unitive/procreative elements would have gone against the Early Fathers...yes?
Also...while someone helpfully inserted the (oral contraceptive) description in some of these quotes...the truth is that some of these potions could actually have been abortive mixtures meant to induce labor.
Afterall...they didn't have EPT urine test sticks back then.
Only nursing. With my first daughter I was trying to do Sheila Kippley's ecological breastfeeding and I was still ready to go at eight weeks postpartum.
So, NFP was a Godsend.
No, the intent of contraception is self gratification. To use another for sexual satisfaction without the consequences of loving and accepting the whole person.
NFP always includes loving and accepting the whole person.
" That's why we have confession. :)"
Oh, we do too; we "invented" it!
You will find the explanation here.
Thank you for the link.
It still appears to me that there was a running theme in the early writings that any sex outside of procreation was evil - that sex was only for procreation.
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Oy vey. Apparently, we Catholics are not only "bad", we're lacking in originality. How so?
"However, he was not along in the view that the only purpose of sex was for procreation. That was actually the common view in all of Christendom until the early 20th century."
That's part of my problem.
They were wrong - at least the Church is saying in THIS century that view is wrong.
I also wonder how accurately could they have distinguished between abortion and contraception when they didn't have the scientific knowledge we do today.
In other words....the potions they speak of - were they abortive or contraceptive? who knows? How could they know?
I described the stance which I believe is difficult to maintain. The Church has never made the argument that every unimplanted embryo is a miscarriage and thus a soul goes to its eternal resting place whenever an embryo doesn't implant. Which is why I believe the birth-control-as-abortifacient argument is hard to maintain.
As to "attack", I'm Catholic, mockingbyrd. Reading what I wrote (limbo has been discredited by many Catholic theologians) as an attack is quite far-fetched.
I am sorry for misreading your post. I confess, after some other posts (not on this thread), I tend to be a little sensitive. Please accept my apologies.
The Church does teach that life begins at conception. In ensouled is living, and the Church does teach that the soul enters the body at the moment of conception. Every child that fails to implant, for whatever reason, is a lost life, and a soul that will be reunited with the body at the General Judgement. Why these lives are created and end so quickly, well that's something only God knows.
The fathers were most likely speaking of agents that had mechanisms of action that caused the expelling of the fetus.... including agents that set up smooth muscle contraction like castor oil, senna products, etc. ...... abortive remedies of this sort would provide visual confirmation of the abortion. ...
See the below quotes of a few of the fathers that were quoted in the main article.
Hippolytus
[Christian women with male concubines], on account of their prominent ancestry and great property, the so-called faithful want no children from slaves or lowborn commoners, they use drugs of sterility [oral contraceptives] or bind themselves tightly in order to expel a fetus which has already been engendered [abortion] (Refutation of All Heresies 9:7 [A.D. 225]).
Jerome
You may see a number of women who are widows before they are wives. Others, indeed, will drink sterility [oral contraceptives] and murder a man not yet born, [and some commit abortion] (Letters 22:13 [A.D. 396]).
Caesarius
Who is he who cannot warn that no woman may take a potion [an oral contraceptive or an abortifacient] so that she is unable to conceive or condemns in herself the nature which God willed to be fecund? As often as she could have conceived or given birth, of that many homicides she will be held guilty.......(Sermons 1:12 [A.D. 522]).
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I admit that I haven't studied ancient abortifacient medicine..... my above comments are based upon my own knowledge of what would be available as abortifacients during that time.
I DO have a tremendous amount of respect for the scientific knowledge and abilities of the ancient peoples, and would not doubt that they had a knowledge of abortive remedies that would surprise us.
I'll study up on ancient abortifacients and report back!
-----"The Church has never made the argument that every unimplanted embryo is a miscarriage....."-----
Defining the beginning of life..... ahhh it seems everyone has an 'opinion'..........the partial birth abortionists say that it begins when the fetus is capable of living on its own apart from the mother,.... yank that 'parasite'(as they call it) out of the mother and if it lives apart from the mother, then you can call it human..... others say varying degrees of development to include the beating heart, etc....
more popular these days(to justify things like the morning after pill and oral contraceptives) is to say that life begins at implantation.
OK..... lets quit all of the semantics and be honest. When the sperm meets the egg and conception occurs..... when the two genetic codes unite and you have a genetically whole organism.... a zygote that is growing and seeking a home within the womb........
THIS IS WHEN LIFE BEGINS.
Yes, I said genetically whole organism. This is what you get at conception. Anyone care to argue this fact?
Bring it on.
I contend that murder is daily taking place and that semantics are a poor cover up....... all will be brought to light when it is too late for some.
"Only nursing."
Wow!!!!! You are one fertile woman!!!!! God bless you mockingbyrd!!!!!!!
The Lord has indeed blessed you. I pray that you will find His grace and mercy in any future pregnancies you may be blessed with.
that would be the conclusion I came to as well. I pray that you will find His grace and mercy in any future pregnancies you may be blessed with.
Thank you. We do hope that we will find baby #3 along the way within the year or so.
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